Clubs still pound the pavement and do King Edward sessions!?!?!?!? Oh dear.
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Clubs still pound the pavement and do King Edward sessions!?!?!?!? Oh dear.
OLympic with their physical Hoof ball style probably need that to prepare correctly for the season.
Seriously what do you expect. Amateur teams at this level ain't in the business of developing Harry Kewell's etc. Basic job for them is to win State League games by whatever means necessary. Easy way to do that is run hard tackle hard kick hard and stay organised.
Best thing that will happen to the State League will be the Jets Yoof dominating and winning the comp. May make a few of the clubs wake up and smell the coffee and devote a bit more effort to changing their ways.
speaking of fitness training - here's some literature from the FFA curriculum
http://www.footballfedvic.com.au/fil...ce_version.pdf
http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/...099-source.pdf
Players should take responsibility and be out pounding the pavement & hitting the gym during the off-season (Oct/Nov/Dec) and turn up fit to train come pre-season. That would allow the coaches to put more time into skills, tactics and match specific training during the pre-season instead of having to whip 3 months of booze out of people in 4-6weeks. Second to that teams at the top level should be training 3x a week + a recovery session but that is a whole nother story.
All state league clubs cram a bit of fitness work in early on especially before the trials start...as the season rolls on work is done with ball at feet.FFA guidelines sound great but even though most 1st graders get some payment it really is a amateur comp.They don't play and train all year round so you need to get some fitness in early on cause there's always a few who do very little in the off season.
As for yoof winning the comp,so they should...really should be playing in the sydney comp next year if you want to test them
Oh that's right. A-league teams don't fitness work. Ya never see the jets at blackbutt!!
is it worth splitting a lot of these posts into a pre-season fitness thread?
The Foz guide to Preseason Fitness.. Yeah split it... :)
I can assure you that most NBN teams do have an interest in developing players to play at a higher level, your "harry kewels" you talk about dont come along everyday so its bit harsh comparing players from the NBN league to him, most coaches in the NBN league are quite good at what they do and with a little help from NNSWF they may get an opportunity to coach the jets youth, please tell me of Clayton Zane's success as a coach, zero no doubt, jobs for the boys I'd say. Your comment in regards to clubs "waking up and smelling the coffee" is way of the mark, why do they need to change their ways, most NBN clubs play attractive football for this competition, as for the jets youth dominating, what I have seen and heard they will be called Sydney Jets Youth this season, theres your first problem.Your comments reek of ignorance to local football and I suggest you do more research before labeling State League clubs of not setting a standard as I can assure you the effort put in by most clubs ridicule your comments
im not a fan of the whole 'running laps" for preseason, first thing youd wanna do is get the feel for the ball again right? so why not start with the basics aka passing, shooting dribbling etc?
Football training time is limited so should be spent on football skills as much as possible, hence turning up fit to train. If you need it you can go for a run on your own time if you need it.
In my experience the guys who turn up early for pre-season are usually the ones who don't need to be running laps anyway.
Oh and Goalies are the fitness gurus.
Amen brother. It's tough to stand up and not do anything for 90mins :gent:
On the topic, my club started training in December with ball skills, doubt we'll actually do any running laps for another month or two, if at all. We generally just play a game and get fit that way.
haha oh so funny guys, you can come to a keeper fitness session if you like :P
Shouldnt you be happy that I want this to be proactive.. Keeper should be just as fit as field players. I know some have alot of work to do....
Tips and Tricks and Guide away....
The Goalie should be the fittest player out there. Requires strength, power, speed, agility, flexibility, reflex & the ability to concentrate for 90min even if there is nothing to do to come up with the the big save in the 90th minute. You can hide on the field if you are lacking in some areas, not in goals.
The problem is with the NBN state league is that it is a small talent population to draw talent from. Therefore the range of talent to pick from isnt huge. Australia doesnt have a huge population anyways especially with a lot of competing sporting codes, which makes it worse for football.
Now with small a talent pool and a small amount of time to work with your players coaches have realised that the best end result for their time is to based their sessions around conditioning, opposed to technical & tactical based training.
I understand why they do this as probably is the best and most productive use of their time. But are people aware you can get in very good condition with a football? amazing to think isnt it.
Why is it when my son does his pre-season for a couple of weeks he is stuffed 15min into his first couple of matches? He is in good condition. Because the training is not specific to the game he plays. I mean how ridiculous is it for coaches to realise that they should be trying to develop footballers first and athletes second?
Now i am not having a shot at the coaches here in the state league they do a great job, considering they have full time jobs and families. But what the hell is NNSW Football doing? They should be having high qualified coaches critiquing the coaching sessions of state league teams. Not to hammer them but to offer constructive advice.
NNSW Football should be doing something more proactive then what are doing to change the beliefs and methodologies of football in this area.
And you have it in a nutshell! I have over the last 2 seasons that teams can be 'fit' for play at this level by basing their sessions on football based fitness. If the coaches had the support of the Federation coaching staff they would be able to learn and implement these strategies. It could also then provide the Federation an opportunity to identify excellent coaches that could be funnelled into higher jobs. But unlikely to happen.
Exactly. Well Said EH9
My idea on 1 on 1 coaching for the coaches is just an idea. I dont like the idea of group sessions for coaches as coaches have their own style. I am not sure what would work best but i know what they are doing know is crap to put as politely as i can.
I would love to see an audit conducted on the NNSW football federation and see what they spend money on. I know they want this new complex. Which will do greats things for football. But a great footballing surface doesn't make footballers smarter or better technically. If they invested in actual development of knowledge for coaches and players that would improve the standard of football much more IMO.
Your idea is a great model.
I would suggest that the federation spend $0 on identifying (scouting) talented young players and coaches. Would be a handy thing to do in my opinion.
you truly believe state league coaches dont know how to get players fit with ball at feet ? Dont underestimate em.wouldnt get a gig if all they did was run their players ffs
[QUOTE=immersion;25137]Exactly. Well Said EH9
My idea on 1 on 1 coaching for the coaches is just an idea. I dont like the idea of group sessions for coaches as coaches have their own style. I am not sure what would work best but i know what they are doing know is crap to put as politely as i can.
Mate i think you should turn up to a MAGIC session.
everything is short quick drills with the ball at the moment.
and with Robert Virgili, Bobby Noamov and David Jones in charge of a very good squad.
I think you will eat your own words when season kicks off.
I cant wait to see them play..
One team is seen jogging the streets and all of a sudden it's the whole competition doing it, FFS , Bolchy is in Perth and Phil koina is renowned for his street jogging, who gives a what clubs do for pre season, stupid thread
the idea of discussing pre-season fitness isn't crap, it's the local forum idiots, notably those who don't have the competence to use quotes correctly or the ability do differentiate between your and you're, who have ruined everything
clean up and bans coming once I get on a proper computer
[QUOTE=immersion;25159][say what your saying is correct. 1 team on the right path hardly constitutes good practice throughout the state league does it. Sounds like you are a possible magic supporter/player/board member and your opinion may be biased. Which is not a bad thing. If all your drills are short and sharp you will let yourself down in the department of residual strength IMO. Hats off to magic if they are doing the correct approach.
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As a matter of fact im edgy supporter, but keep close tabs on magic for the fact of mates and a good game of football played out of there,
that thread i posted previously was clearly refered to your 1 line comment which i bawled out.
I have a very good relationship with the coaches (previously Edgy 10 years ago) which is why i know so much
about them.
So all i am saying dont make remarks about coaches dont knoe crap when clearly there a at least 2 or 3 that do in this comp
What exactly will the fed do with these players/coaches once they have scouted them? How do we we offer jobs/contracts to all those people who have shown great ability in our game? Who will pay for these one on one coaching sessions that you advocate? I dont want to see my registration monies paying for the coaching of State League teams when i play in Zone 3 for example? Why should i fund the education of coaches that have nothing to do with me, yet my coach probably needs much more help then those experienced coaches in the State league.
I think the accounts breakdown of the NNSWFF is on their website, but in any case what is it that you feel that they misspending their monies on?
IMO a successful team will be one that has balanced all areas of the training sphere. its not just about fitness or ball work, but also attitude and commitment. Im afraid that if you cannot get your players fit to start the season with they will be lacking in this area for most of the season. No point trying to get fit near the end of the season, and we all know how important it is for a team to be fit.
[QUOTE=immersion;25159]Im interested in understanding what you mean by Magic having a very good relationship with the Fed is about. I have see this a couple times on posts and it leads me to some illusion of favouritism. Can you advise? I know they get the grand final but i also know this is based on fulfilling a criteria. Do Magic not pay registration fees or something? I just cant work it out? And why the back up because of this?
Also i dont think it is relevant whether cobra23 is associated with Magic or Edgeworth, or other, to which i cant honestly pick it, but I think we would all agree we want to see better football at every corner of our game.
I have seen Olympic train several times and for anyone who thinks that all they do is run up and down fields and beaches they are greatly mistaken.
I think it would be unfair, judging by the playing styles of many of the State League clubs, to say that Magic would be the one and only minority with correct approach, if indeed their approach is correct. I would like to think that once fit many of our clubs would be plying all their time to skills and technical coaching.
I think you would be hard pressed not to see all the State League teams wearing the soles of their shoes out for at least a month.
next person to incorrectly quote gets a week off too
if you can't work out how to do it then we can probably do without your opinion - show the rest of us a bit of respect and learn how to quote
slams guys for grammar but uses wrong word
:gent:
:forthelulz:
but seriously guys - quote properly or don't do it at all, hey.
my opinion on the preseason fitness work:
everytime a team says they're not doing running & only do ball-specific cardio training, they always underdo themselves. this is a amateur-semi pro competition, it's hard enough to keep the boys off the booze more than 3 times a week let alone get them to keep their fitness at a premium at their own will.
Forever Red if you feel the way NBN Clubs are doing things is the right way then you are suffering from some delusion.
All of them are playing second fiddle to the Magic Club who lets remember only arrived in NBN Level in 1995. Since then they have gone from homeless playing out of a borrowed Adamstown Oval to having their own wonderful facility that shites on all other clubs in the region, have had wonderful on field success and have provided a base for juniors such as Kanta / Hoole/soon to be Kale stepping into the Jets XI.
What have the rest of the clubs been doing in this time frame?? Standing still treading water and going backwards
Nearly every other club has a pile of blokes playing first grade who ain't there for their technical ability. Blokes who are 6ft>> 6ft 6inches tall, 80>90kgs big strong and fast. Basically players with good physical attributes and athletically inclined. Half of these blokes are technically poor but get away masquerading as First Grade players by running hard, tackling hard and physically dominating more technical types. As you go down the grades you will see these type of players gaining advancement and usually at the expense of kids who have some technical ability but ain't that physically gifted. The real technically gifted are fast tracked through the grades but it is these kids the ones who have some of the technical ability
but maybe not the physical gifts that get left behind.
This is the fault of no one other than the coaching departments of clubs. They are the ones who reward physical development over technical skills. Actually it isn't not just there fault it is also the fault of the committees who continue to select the coaches who have deluded old time philosophies and aren't taking a modern approach to this.
To say that most NBN sides play attractive football outside of Magic/ Jets Yoof who else does??? Cause all I seen last season was teams full of hacks chopping in and playing garbage level HOOFball???
Also if the Jets Yoof team are having to supplement players from the Sydney region to fill the squad doesn't that suggest the development programs at NBN Clubs are shit and not producing the talent??
Maybe a reality check for some of these clubs is needed to give them the kick up the arse required to raise their standards
:blush: you truly do believe you know more about coaching than state league coaches and more about administration than state league committees. It is you who are delusional.
FLOGS OUT !
MFKS...to say that Magic is the only club that hasn't stood still in time is to my mind completely disrespectful to the other clubs in the Newcastle region.
Magic have done a fantastic job in building a wonderful facility and are probably the benchmark club on the whole in Newcastle at present, however to completely disregard the other clubs contribution to what is a good Football community shows just how blinkered your view is.
To be honest I think your post shows a complete lack of understanding for where Football in general is at in this country.
Have you seen the Playing and Facility standard in the Sydney Premier League? Newcastle is not so bad let me tell you.
Nationally, Australian Football is way behind in technical/tactical proficiency of players and even further behind when it comes to Coach development compared with the leading Football nations in the world. However in the last 5 years, there has been a marked improvement in the willingness of the FFA and NNSW to enage with it's members and really begin a significant push towards technical reform in this country.
It will take decades, not years, before we fully start to see an integrated grassroots development system for both players and coaches start to bear fruit on a consistent basis; however the groundwork that is being done is pushing us in the right direction. It is by no means perfect, and by no means should constant improvement of the system be stopped; however Football in this country is improving everyday and the groundwork done by the FFA and Han Berger with regards to development has been fantastic.
Also to say that only Magic and the Jets Youth played attractive Football in the NBN State League, again shows a lack of understanding of Football on a whole.
Football is a game of many styles and opinions, what may be attractive to you may not be to the tastes of others. But to disregard the efforts and abilities of the 8 other teams in the League is misguided and disrespectful.
Did you watch the Jets Youth? Because for me a style of Football which is so one dimensional, devoid of attacking nous and easily countered is not attractive at all. Passing it from Fullback to Centre Half, to opposite Fullback back to Centre Half, Connor Chapman long diagonal ball to Virgilli is not at all representative of great football in my mind.
In fact the counter-attacking performance of Edgeworth in last years Semi-Final against the Jets Youth displayed great tactical coaching from Gary Wilson and a superb ability from his players to carry out his instructions.
100% agree with this statement, i did not enjoy watching the Jets youth play last season at all, they were boring as hell and rarely created numerous chances in one game, if it wasn't for about 4 different players within the team e.g. virgili - then they could easily of gotten the wooden spoon. Their style was in no way "attractive", it was the exact same play we've seen from the seniors for about 50% of this season and we all saw how ugly everyone in the A-league could tell the style was and how easy it was to tactically and physically counter it.