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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Dawson View Post
    Isn't there a plan for NNSW to add a little something extra to all registrations next year - to go into a funding pool for clubs to apply and draw from for local ground improvements?

    I hope funding for this new synthetic pitch is not coming from that pool - on the basis that it will assist the local football community
    You can guarantee that funding wont trickle back down to the community clubs where the bulk of the kids play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Dawson View Post
    Isn't there a plan for NNSW to add a little something extra to all registrations next year - to go into a funding pool for clubs to apply and draw from for local ground improvements?

    I hope funding for this new synthetic pitch is not coming from that pool - on the basis that it will assist the local football community
    Isn't the facility at Speers Point a cash cow for Northern already??

    I pretty certain I heard they were getting fat from the profits already
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    Double-eff-aye should introduce a 3rd division and dump these ice addict welfare living scumbags straight there. dont even let them get their stink anywhere near 2nd division.

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    greedy money grab. They all take a piece.

    $225 for u/7's & 8's at New lambton. Yet they announce how how great they are with their big junior club. disgrace.

    nrl and afl are much better organised in juniors

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    Isn't the facility at Speers Point a cash cow for Northern already??

    I pretty certain I heard they were getting fat from the profits already
    Why don't they get control of lakes ground, do it up, hold GF's etc there, get bigger and fatter on all the money they will make, like they should have done in the first place.
    Give lakes free use whilst there in the top grade.
    win, win for all.
    stops all the whinging about who has or where to play finals etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawk View Post
    greedy money grab. They all take a piece.

    $225 for u/7's & 8's at New lambton. Yet they announce how how great they are with their big junior club. disgrace.

    nrl and afl are much better organised in juniors
    But the parents pay it with out complaint.

    Plenty of other clubs significantly cheaper in close proximity that are screaming for kids, but the parents stay. So they must see the value in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawk View Post
    nrl and afl are much better organised in juniors
    Can vouch for AFL.
    Plague Jnr plays both football and AFL. Rego half the price, same level of facilities/coaching etc.

    Possible to say grounds are better he plays on carpet at #1 vs a marked out side oval at his sockah ground.

    Am not fussed paying for sockah as it's my sport BUT plenty of grumbling from the parents who's kids play both as to where they would rather spend the cash.

    Again though, I don't think blame should be on individual clubs. They are ace and are run as well as they could be.

    AFL gets a massive cash injection on juniors from NAB and controls the program.

    All sockah needs to do is get the federations to hand over the power and get the double-eff-aye to fund and run it. There would have to be more than one big company out there interested in all those soccer juniors right?


    Oh wait I forgot the bit about federations handing over the power.

    Never mind carry on everything's fine no problem we're fine.

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    The money from Junior fees and registration should not be subsidising senior football. Until that gets solved not much will change.
    Not targeting individuals or clubs here but would any of the NPL players be aware of what contribution junior football makes to their salaries ?

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    Those prices seem expensive for kids to play junior soccer.

    What do clubs charge for rego in New FM or NPL for rego if you are in say uner 20's or 23's?

    Its always been an issue and probably always will be but non-football people laugh at us when I tell them the fees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sammydog View Post
    But the parents pay it with out complaint.

    Plenty of other clubs significantly cheaper in close proximity that are screaming for kids, but the parents stay. So they must see the value in it.
    the elitists think they are onto something sesh but its not. I believe in playing closest to home

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawk View Post
    the elitists think they are onto something sesh but its not. I believe in playing closest to home
    1400 members, including 430 female members, cant be too wrong, and there are many who would not call themselves "elitest"

    I would say its the sign of a well run, well organised club, that provides quality coaching, and an inclusive environment, to all levels, from u6 through to Newfm.

    The fees include full playing kit that is the kids at the end of the day, and centralised coaching programs for u6-u9's using programs developed by Clayton Zane, for all kids, not just those wanting to go into higher levels.

    For those who want a pathway for development its there from u9 onwards.

    No fees paid by kids in the junior club go towards paying players in first grade. Completely seperate budgets, accounts, and committees.

    For full disclosure my kids have all played at New Lambton ,but do not anymore

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodo14 View Post
    1400 members, including 430 female members, cant be too wrong, and there are many who would not call themselves "elitest"

    I would say its the sign of a well run, well organised club, that provides quality coaching, and an inclusive environment, to all levels, from u6 through to Newfm.

    The fees include full playing kit that is the kids at the end of the day, and centralised coaching programs for u6-u9's using programs developed by Clayton Zane, for all kids, not just those wanting to go into higher levels.

    For those who want a pathway for development its there from u9 onwards.

    No fees paid by kids in the junior club go towards paying players in first grade. Completely seperate budgets, accounts, and committees.

    For full disclosure my kids have all played at New Lambton ,but do not anymore
    Cant be wrong? Wake up to yourself you are part of this arrogance. Not sure what role at the club your from but from a parent some of the arrogance about building the big club doesnt sit well. Yes the development side is going well as is the way you actually get the large numbers all organised. But....

    The prices for your juniors are one of the highest. Why? should the 1000's who pay decrease the costs. How do others clubs survive on $165 u/8's yearly fees for juniors?

    That is a problem but keep the head in the sand, an overpriced megalopolis we dont want

    check out some home truths. As expected from Broadmeadow
    http://northernnswfootball.com.au/ge...stration-fees/

    drop the costs you thieves
    Last edited by hawk; 07-09-2017 at 11:35 AM.

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    Wow, those fees are phenomenal, and why, that's ridiculous for 5 to 7 year old

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawk View Post
    Not sure what role at the club your from but from a parent some of the arrogance about building the big club doesnt sit well. Yes the development side is going well as is the way you actually get the large numbers all organised. But....

    The prices for your juniors are one of the highest. Why? should the 1000's who pay decrease the costs. How do others clubs survive on $165 u/8's yearly fees for juniors?
    That is a problem but keep the head in the sand

    check out some home truths champ
    http://northernnswfootball.com.au/ge...stration-fees/


    "Home Truths"???

    New Lambton have never said that they were the cheapest, and acknowledge there are cheaper clubs in a close proximity!!? What arrogance about building the big club are you talking about? What the club has done is be very organised, led by a strong committee, with the whole focus on giving the members the best value for money experience that they can have. It has never been about wanting to be the biggest club, its all about providing a good experience for the kids. Th fact the junior club continued to grow this year, when participation numbers generally fell, despite having higher fees than most, shows that the community see the value that they get for those fees being acceptable.

    The fees are broken down as part of the registration package so everyone knows where the money is going when they sign up. You don't have to agree with the size of the fee, but you equally dont have to play for the club and can go to the club that charges $165. Each to their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawk View Post
    How do others clubs survive on $165 u/8's yearly fees for juniors?

    check out some home truths. As expected from Broadmeadow
    http://northernnswfootball.com.au/ge...stration-fees/
    We survive because we're realistic, and we recognise that participation by anyone who WANTS to play is a far greater asset to the game than making money.

    What you'll also find is those clubs with the lowest fees will cater to children from lower socio-economic backgrounds, and will in fact give further discounts if not free registrations to some families who might not be able to otherwise afford to have their kids play organised team sports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodo14 View Post
    "Home Truths"???

    New Lambton have never said that they were the cheapest, and acknowledge there are cheaper clubs in a close proximity!!? What arrogance about building the big club are you talking about? What the club has done is be very organised, led by a strong committee, with the whole focus on giving the members the best value for money experience that they can have. It has never been about wanting to be the biggest club, its all about providing a good experience for the kids. Th fact the junior club continued to grow this year, when participation numbers generally fell, despite having higher fees than most, shows that the community see the value that they get for those fees being acceptable.

    The fees are broken down as part of the registration package so everyone knows where the money is going when they sign up. You don't have to agree with the size of the fee, but you equally dont have to play for the club and can go to the club that charges $165. Each to their own.
    Each to their own? What great way to answer a problem. Why should families leave when management is the problem? You leave and let someone else come in who is prepared to fix the problem

    The arrogance like you of spouting how "big we are" and "cant be wrong" yet charging parents way overs for the "privilege". The training courses coast extra on top of your exorbitant rego. There is a high cost problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hawk View Post
    Each to their own? What great way to answer a problem. Why should families leave when management is the problem? You leave and let someone else come in who is prepared to fix the problem

    The arrogance like you of spouting how "big we are" and "cant be wrong" yet charging parents way overs for the "privilege". The training courses coast extra on top of your exorbitant rego. There is a high cost problem.
    You say there is a problem, but parents are free to take their kids wherever they chose to. Yet more parents every year are attracted to New Lambton. They obviously feel that the fees are not exorbitant, and that they get good value for the money spent. The club does have multi-family member discounts and do make allowances for lower socio-economic families when asked.

    You have your opinion and the parents of New Lambton FC have their own opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodo14 View Post
    You say there is a problem, but parents are free to take their kids wherever they chose to. Yet more parents every year are attracted to New Lambton. They obviously feel that the fees are not exorbitant, and that they get good value for the money spent. The club does have multi-family member discounts and do make allowances for lower socio-economic families when asked.

    You have your opinion and the parents of New Lambton FC have their own opinion.
    Other parents are not so happy or didnt know the differences. Did you read the fee cost of all clubs in our area? You are the equal highest. There is no value.

    Maybe put to parents to see if they would prefer to pay reasonable cost. I repeat families should not have to leave a local club due to reasons caused by committees.

    Think we'll leave it there. Maybe this might be further discussed at the next meeting.

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    Plague Jnr plays for New Lambton. Rego bout the same as his prev club but def better 'value for money' than previous club (not a knock as his prev club was well run no dramas).

    I think in the future kids gonna be torn between sports like AFL rather than other soccer clubs. That's where financial concerns will be highlighted.

    Not sure a lot of parents highlighting rego fee discrepancies understand the massive cost council imposes for infrastructure. It's diabolical.

    Am positive New Lambton has top 2 costs for lighting in Newy and the gap to 3rd is pretty huge.

    Serious though I wish they saved the cash on the Jets run training though. It was pointless. But that's 1 parent so majority rules etc etc.

    Kudos for trying it though.

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    The one thing that can't be denied is,

    Macquarie ave is $165 but average of NPL/NewFM is $208

    Newcastle average is $147 but average of NPL/NewFM is $190

    So it would certainly appear that these clubs need additional money to run their junior teams, were it goes is up to the parents, if they are happy the rest probably doesn't matter

    Another quick one, why is Mid Nth Coast average $99 ?

    I suspect local councils

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    The problem with comparing Football rego fees with other sports - League Aussie Rules and Cricket - is that they are owned and prioritised by our major national media outlets, providing massive revenue streams. Unfortunately this is very much to the detriment of our truly international game. The promotion of these other sports and publicity garnered for their players has come at a big cost to Football. Regardless of how big the fish may seem, League and Rules players in particular will always only be swimming in a tiny pond. But propped up by the media that has no real interest in our international success, they will continue to thrive at domestic and grassroot levels.
    Given the same funding level and media exposure, Football would kill off the other sports in due course. But self interest won't let that happen.

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