and while looking for more excuses to say no...
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/44...osses/?cs=2439
and while looking for more excuses to say no...
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/44...osses/?cs=2439
Life isn't the same without Con... but it can only improve without Tinks...
Here we go...another Sydney derby!
http://www.foxsports.com.au/football...fc5ad4a4de9833
And I bet the "Red Bull" team is in Melbourne.
Another Sydney team is insane when you have a club like Sydney FC leading the league and yet struggling to get fans to their games. WHere are the fans going to come from ? Where are the players going to come from ? You can't use 2nd rate players and be successful - I know this because I've supported the Jets since the A-league started.
So where else we putting another side with this desire for expansion??Originally Posted by The Dunster
It a serious question.
The regional sides are not big enough to prosper just look at Jets Nix Gypos now constantly off the pace
We only have 5 major cities and doubling or tripling up is a necessity
So I don't really see any option other than more teams in Sydney/Melbourne
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As much as it pains me to say it I agree. The risk is just far too high to go regional. Anyone who thinks they'll go to Canberra, Tasmania etc in the near future is kidding themselves.
Expansion
2nd Brisbane
3rd Sydney
10 team nation wide second division in the next 5 years is a must. Introduction of Pro/Rel once the current 20 year license of the existing A-League clubs finish up.
I don't see a 2nd Brisbane being realistic tbh.
IMO the only real answer for expansion is: Wollongong Wolves & South Melbourne FC.
Also, I just don't understand the logistics of a second division, particularly from a $ perspective as well as all the players with their own respective work/life duties. An Australian 2nd division just never has seemed realistic to me.
OK
The quality of the league now is massively skewed as it is. Bringing in more teams with restrictions on imports, a salary cap, and concessions which favour the most cashed up clubs only doesn't seem like a great idea to me.
If the FFA gets rid of the restrictions on imports then it might work. But with restrictions on imports and a bastardised version of a salary cap it will no doubt turn to shit.
If the FFA want to improve the league - fix the referee problem.
Last edited by The Dunster; 07-03-2017 at 11:42 AM.
moved posts into here from news thread
as far as expansion teams go, needs to be at least one of the next two teams in a metro area but with the number of potentials stepping forward we could get to 18 teams very easily.
3rd Sydney, 3rd Melbourne, 2nd Brisbane, Wollongong, Tasmania, Geelong, Auckland City, Canberra.
Then you establish the 2nd division from existing NPL clubs and any other interested new entities (ie Gold Coast, Townsville, 2nd Perth, 2nd Adelaide, etc)
Issue is going to be the TV deal and the money involved as I foresee that the salary cap will need to be abolished inside of ten years and the clubs need to be getting some decent income.
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I don't see the salary cap going anywhere
Since the start of the HAL it has benefited the players by having clubs forced to over pay salaries
The players union isn't gonna want it gone as it sees their shit **** reps all overpaid
You take it back to market value and Gyos Jets Nix all slash their wage spend
Adelaide Roar reign there spend in
So there is half the comps players getting less cash
People can choose to not see the feasibility in a second division but like it or not it's going to come down to a necessity.
AFC and FIFA are already pressuring FFA to get Promotion and Relegation sorted. It's in FFA and the Australian Footballing Communities best interest to have a second division sorted ASAP, A-League expansion can also come from established second division clubs.
I should clarify my statement. They will abolish the salary cap - but will establish a minimum spend to prevent what you posted from happening.
Its the max spend cap that will effectively be abolished.
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Who is going to go watch 2nd division games, the attendance (and particularly the TV viewer numbers) for 1st division games is already bad enough.
Also it's going to be suuuuper shit when we (jerks) come last, get demoted, put faith in a shit coach & never get back up to 1st division. Just kills football in newy, again.
OK
I for one would go.
However I'll state it again it won’t come down to the fact if FFA want to do it, it will come down the fact that FFA will be forced to do it. Its best to get our house in order before we are forced to do so.
FFA are already on the nose with FIFA over there dictatorship style of governance, how long do you expect AFC and FIFA to keep listening to the whole "oh yeah well we're planning to do that soon".
I see a fair few logistical issues with a second div but why can't it be a short style league. Say 5 teams with 10 games. Played over one/two months. Venue is the same for each matchday. Would reduce running costs. Winner gets promoted. I would think there would be a fair bit of interest being such a short and sweet comp. Just throwing the thought out there.
I think this is the real reason we haven't seen any firm plans on a second division yet.
FFA will already know that there are current clubs who could out play 1st division clubs now, and there would be the very real possibility that a current A-League club could drop a division, not be able to fund itself in recruitment and coaching to make it's way back up, and thus killing off the junior pathways for a region.
Could you imagine a point where Jets, Nix, Gypos all dropped below the line and only strong Melbourne clubs were promoted. We'd end up with a top flight "National" competition that's only played within 1 or 2 states.
After that, your advertising dollars just start to fall away rapidly.
Tbf it works for NRL & AFL
OK
Expansion teams:
Wolves and Geelong. Neither Sydney FC and City can fill a ground unless its a derby so adding another team to the mix in those cities will not improve crowds. Nice rectangular grounds with 15k to 20k crowd capacity. New audience. If not those two, the a Tassie team for the same reasons
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