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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    Frodo interesting to note the USA have hit the front in the amount of diagnosed cases of Corona

    Might have something to do with the health service that they are best able to provide medical supplies so the appropriate testing can be done

    Meanwhile in Socialist medicine countries those who want a test can't get one STILL

    Forza Communist medicine
    924,107 staffed beds in the US hospital system
    792,417 of those beds are in the Public system.

    Total admissions in all US Hospitals is 36,353,946
    Of the total admissions in US Hospitals 34,251,159 are in the public system

    Conclusion: The private system is very small and would not cope without the public system taking on the lions share of admissions.

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    Note the person in this video is only an Emergency Doctor working in a New York hospital. So don't expect her to have the knowledge that MFKS has about the dire state of the US hospital system under this crisis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    Frodo interesting to note the USA have hit the front in the amount of diagnosed cases of Corona

    Might have something to do with the health service that they are best able to provide medical supplies so the appropriate testing can be done

    Meanwhile in Socialist medicine countries those who want a test can't get one STILL

    Forza Communist medicine
    The US has completed 579,589 tests as of yesterday, which is 1766 tests per 1 million people.

    Australia had completed 190,926 which is 7442 tests per million people.


    So, yeah Australia is definitely winning that race by a country mile. We have like the 3rd best rate of testing per person in the world.

    Now, which country has better control of the rate of infection right now is a more important question? And who is closer to their maximum capacity of hospital beds now as well?

    I read that NYC emergency services received more 911 calls yesterday then on September 11! That's fairly scary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dunster View Post


    Note the person in this video is only an Emergency Doctor working in a New York hospital. So don't expect her to have the knowledge that MFKS has about the dire state of the US hospital system under this crisis.
    New York has a total of 39000 cases of the total 85000 Case load in the USA

    May want to look at exactly what the leftists ****wits are doing there because the other 49 states don't have anywhere near the problems that these leftists do

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frodo View Post
    The US has completed 579,589 tests as of yesterday, which is 1766 tests per 1 million people.

    Australia had completed 190,926 which is 7442 tests per million people.


    So, yeah Australia is definitely winning that race by a country mile. We have like the 3rd best rate of testing per person in the world.

    Now, which country has better control of the rate of infection right now is a more important question? And who is closer to their maximum capacity of hospital beds now as well?

    I read that NYC emergency services received more 911 calls yesterday then on September 11! That's fairly scary.
    Spain Framce Italy UK all have universal health care

    All are still burying people at rapider rates than the USA

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    New York has a total of 39000 cases of the total 85000 Case load in the USA

    May want to look at exactly what the leftists ****wits are doing there because the other 49 states don't have anywhere near the problems that these leftists do
    You are the Simone Biles of mental gymnastics member. New York is the most densely populated city in the US, of course it was the first to lose control of the virus.

    The US people spent the first few days of the preparation stocking up on bullets and they have a president telling them to not worry about isolation rules, to keep going out and spending money and that everything will be better in 2 weeks time once a few of your grandparents have died off to save people's portfolios taking a big hit. Unfortunately it's going to get a lot worse over there before it gets better and it won't matter what colour your state voted. I would absolutely love to be wrong and you be correct and the US to absolutely smash this virus and get things under control quick, cause that would save 1000s of lives. But there's nothing coming out of there that is even remotely positive in regards to control over spread or hospitals being prepared to deal with the influx of patients.

    At the moment, I have nothing bad to say about Scomo because I can clearly see how much worse things can get compared to where we are right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frodo View Post
    At the moment, I have nothing bad to say about Scomo because I can clearly see how much worse things can get compared to where we are right now.
    Oh I can. He ****ed up and he ****ed up big time.

    • Borders should have been shut from the get go and those coming into Australia sent to quarantine. No iffs, no butts.
    • Instead of tax concessions a Universal Basic Income should have been implemented straight away equal to 80% of the average medium income.
    • Energy, telecommunications, land rates, loans, rents placed on hibernation
    • Complete lockdown other than for health, emergency services, fuel and food supply


    Instead we get an approach where every single measure isn't actually due to begin until..................this could blow over. He was so fixated with a budget surplus that he has totally ****ed the joint.

    I have to pay two ****ing rents without work. I had to let an employee go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skirt Boy View Post
    Oh I can. He ****ed up and he ****ed up big time.

    • Borders should have been shut from the get go and those coming into Australia sent to quarantine. No iffs, no butts.
    • Instead of tax concessions a Universal Basic Income should have been implemented straight away equal to 80% of the average medium income.
    • Energy, telecommunications, land rates, loans, rents placed on hibernation
    • Complete lockdown other than for health, emergency services, fuel and food supply


    Instead we get an approach where every single measure isn't actually due to begin until..................this could blow over. He was so fixated with a budget surplus that he has totally ****ed the joint.

    I have to pay two ****ing rents without work. I had to let an employee go.
    That wouldnt allow him to attend Sharks games and hill song conferences now would it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skirt Boy View Post
    Oh I can. He ****ed up and he ****ed up big time.

    • Borders should have been shut from the get go and those coming into Australia sent to quarantine. No iffs, no butts.
    • Instead of tax concessions a Universal Basic Income should have been implemented straight away equal to 80% of the average medium income.
    • Energy, telecommunications, land rates, loans, rents placed on hibernation
    • Complete lockdown other than for health, emergency services, fuel and food supply


    Instead we get an approach where every single measure isn't actually due to begin until..................this could blow over. He was so fixated with a budget surplus that he has totally ****ed the joint.

    I have to pay two ****ing rents without work. I had to let an employee go.
    We up to 13 have died with the vast majority senior citizens with existing health conditions

    You could make a case he has over reacted with any of his efforts period


    Basically all he has done is close everything down so the Socialist health system doesn't collapse

    Wouldn't want the doctors making decisions on who to euthanize would we??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frodo View Post
    You are the Simone Biles of mental gymnastics member. New York is the most densely populated city in the US, of course it was the first to lose control of the virus.

    The US people spent the first few days of the preparation stocking up on bullets and they have a president telling them to not worry about isolation rules, to keep going out and spending money and that everything will be better in 2 weeks time once a few of your grandparents have died off to save people's portfolios taking a big hit. Unfortunately it's going to get a lot worse over there before it gets better and it won't matter what colour your state voted. I would absolutely love to be wrong and you be correct and the US to absolutely smash this virus and get things under control quick, cause that would save 1000s of lives. But there's nothing coming out of there that is even remotely positive in regards to control over spread or hospitals being prepared to deal with the influx of patients.

    At the moment, I have nothing bad to say about Scomo because I can clearly see how much worse things can get compared to where we are right now.
    Mental gymnastics like your claim that New York is densely populated so that is why it is so heavily affected

    Well Seoul and Tokyo are more densely populated and they don't have anywhere near the rate the Big Apple has

    Also the Governor of New York a leftist fool in Cuomo was on March 17 asking why people were panicking and then said that people would never be locked in their homes etc

    Then to flip 72 hours later and order a lockdown

    New York is in the shit due to poor management at a local level no other reason

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    Mental gymnastics like your claim that New York is densely populated so that is why it is so heavily affected
    I mean, this is simple logic. The virus is spread via direct contact, of course it would spread quicker in a more densely populated city. If you can't work this one out, find a high schooler and ask them to explain how viruses spread.

    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    Well Seoul and Tokyo are more densely populated and they don't have anywhere near the rate the Big Apple has
    Both those cities were well prepared because of the original SARS outbreak in 2003, I think that's the correct year but you know which one I'm talking about. Both cities/countries have done extremely well and their examples, especially Singapore, should have been followed by every other nation as soon as it became clear that they had control of the spread in a short time span. Although, South Korea is bracing for a resurgence and Tokyo is having trouble keeping idiots away from the cherry blossoms which has caused another spike in cases. So hopefully they get that back under control soon.

    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    Also the Governor of New York a leftist fool in Cuomo was on March 17 asking why people were panicking and then said that people would never be locked in their homes etc

    Then to flip 72 hours later and order a lockdown

    New York is in the shit due to poor management at a local level no other reason
    Cuomo could be a terrible leader, no idea, but all sides of politics in the US right now are more worried about what they can get out this than actually saving lives. The US turned down tests because they wanted to wait for US owned ('cough' Jared Kushner owned) companies to copy the design and make a profit. They are arguing over the price right now of Ventilators. State leaders are getting into Twitter arguments with Trump instead of getting the equipment/funding they need to try and fix their underprepared hospitals.

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    Honestly I haven't read thru all of MFKFCs posts about the USA here but I'll share a story and feel free to make your own judgements or throw your head into the sand based around it.

    I know two Aussies permanently living in New York. One of them is in the at risk category for Coronavirus as his immune system is destroyed from being a cancer recovered person. These two Aussies both got all symptoms of Coronavirus and were super sick. They could NOT get tested, they just were not allowed. In New York they are ONLY testing people that are quite literally on deaths door, and they are openly saying this for people that have every symptom and asking to be tested. These Aussies have no doubts they had the virus, and have recovered now, but they'll never know and never go onto the proper figures. They've also kept track of all of the Australian media releases, reports, figures, etc and their judgement is USA are in "50 times worse a state currently".

    From this I conclude USA numbers are horrendously higher than being reported. Also before this I believed Australia were not testing enough, and possibly that is still true but it is nowhere near as bad comparatively to other nations.
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    Anyone looked into ID2020??

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    I’m curious to see how NZ come out of all of this.
    Ardern has acted promptly and swiftly in all the matters facing her country and is making some really sensible decisions.
    In some ways, a lesser scale version of Australia in the sense that the only way to get there is via air or ship, can’t just drive over there.
    Curious how their infections progress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung View Post
    Iím curious to see how NZ come out of all of this.
    Ardern has acted promptly and swiftly in all the matters facing her country and is making some really sensible decisions.
    In some ways, a lesser scale version of Australia in the sense that the only way to get there is via air or ship, canít just drive over there.
    Curious how their infections progress.
    Different systems of government.

    Australia's response is hampered because we have states with considerable constitutional power both in writing and by convention. Hence states closing internal borders. We also have government departments at both levels with a large overlap.

    New Zealand also has a unicameral parliament and no states. Australia has a bicameral parliament with states who also have bicameral parliaments (Queensland excepted)

    When this is over you will find the federal government becomes significantly weaker due to poor leadership and the states playing a larger and larger role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pv4 View Post
    Honestly I haven't read thru all of MFKFCs posts about the USA here but I'll share a story and feel free to make your own judgements or throw your head into the sand based around it.

    I know two Aussies permanently living in New York. One of them is in the at risk category for Coronavirus as his immune system is destroyed from being a cancer recovered person. These two Aussies both got all symptoms of Coronavirus and were super sick. They could NOT get tested, they just were not allowed. In New York they are ONLY testing people that are quite literally on deaths door, and they are openly saying this for people that have every symptom and asking to be tested. These Aussies have no doubts they had the virus, and have recovered now, but they'll never know and never go onto the proper figures. They've also kept track of all of the Australian media releases, reports, figures, etc and their judgement is USA are in "50 times worse a state currently".

    From this I conclude USA numbers are horrendously higher than being reported. Also before this I believed Australia were not testing enough, and possibly that is still true but it is nowhere near as bad comparatively to other nations.
    Good post PV4. The data I have seen suggests the recovery to to deaths rate of people infected in the USA is at best around 50%.
    At first I thought that seemed wrong- but after reading your post it makes sense - only the worst cases were included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    Anyone looked into ID2020??
    Yes. It's basically something Adolph Hitler would endorse.
    We should blow the world up if that sort of shit becomes mainstream / acceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dunster View Post
    Yes. It's basically something Adolph Hitler would endorse.
    We should blow the world up if that sort of shit becomes mainstream / acceptable.
    Who though is backing it is the bigger question ??

    One of the key individuals involved in it is also the largest donor to the WHO

    Yep the World Health Organisation the same idiots pumping air into the tyres of this Corona BS and creating this fear around the world

    Far too many coincidences there

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    Who though is backing it is the bigger question ??

    One of the key individuals involved in it is also the largest donor to the WHO

    Yep the World Health Organisation the same idiots pumping air into the tyres of this Corona BS and creating this fear around the world

    Far too many coincidences there
    Agreed.

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    How many weeks to you give it before people have had enough of all the restrictions?

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