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    Quote Originally Posted by plague View Post
    except, yanno, i never mentioned anything being free.
    but still, feel free to read the posts you're quoting.
    Go look at the leftists running for the DMC candidacy

    They don't offer any solutions that work

    Just free shit to win votes

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    Go look at the leftists running for the DMC candidacy

    They don't offer any solutions that work

    Just free shit to win votes
    Free shit to win votes is not a strategy exclusive to the left.

    Tax cuts, ecemptions, contracts that don't go though any tender process....

    Governments are only constrained by real resources. It's never a case of running out of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    I don't watch TV

    So your point is irrelevant

    The right believes in personal responsibility and providing for oneself

    Not being a leech on the system which is exactly what the left advocates for

    The left are quite happy to play the divisive tactics because it is all a ploy from them as they want to make victims of everyone to keep the people from fulfilling their potential

    As for the rich having 1% of the wealth

    I don't give two ****s about them

    The system we have at present provides opportunity for those prepared to get off their arse to achieve

    You want a system that hinders success being achieved by giving handouts to all
    If the right believed in personal responsibility they wouldn't mind paying their taxes. The true leeches on our society are the 1% with all their tax breaks and bailouts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frodo View Post
    If the right believed in personal responsibility they wouldn't mind paying their taxes. The true leeches on our society are the 1% with all their tax breaks and bailouts.
    Keep hammering on about the top 1% as it does **** all for your point to select a small sample and accuse them of being responsible for all the world's ills

    The reality is they are successful at what they do and you are envious as all ****

    Us on the right don't give a **** about them and nor should we

    Always bizarre how you leftists want to demonize the exact thing you want to become

    Plus the 1% pay plenty of taxes

    You just think they should be paying more because you want to subsidise the weak

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dunster View Post
    Free shit to win votes is not a strategy exclusive to the left.

    Tax cuts, ecemptions, contracts that don't go though any tender process....

    Governments are only constrained by real resources. It's never a case of running out of money.
    No one said it was exclusive to the left

    It though is a problem that afflicts the left more than any other

    Free Health
    Free Education
    Free this Free that

    But when it comes time to pay the bill they have no answer other than day tax the rich

    Which ain't any solution as they won't want to work hard if they can't be successful

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    Keep hammering on about the top 1% as it does **** all for your point to select a small sample and accuse them of being responsible for all the world's ills

    The reality is they are successful at what they do and you are envious as all ****

    Us on the right don't give a **** about them and nor should we

    Always bizarre how you leftists want to demonize the exact thing you want to become

    Plus the 1% pay plenty of taxes

    You just think they should be paying more because you want to subsidise the weak
    You're mistaking more tax with equal tax. If they paid the same tax rate that I do there'd be no issue. Your right wing pollies keeps giving all those rich, supposedly successful business owners more help than anyone else, and then they trick idiots into thinking it's the welfare recipients and immigrants draining resources.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    I don't watch TV


    The right believes in personal responsibility and providing for oneself

    The system we have at present provides opportunity for those prepared to get off their arse to achieve
    Are you ****ing serious?

    What happens if you're born in poverty, have an accident, disabled, support Arsenal?

    I can tell you now. This country is ****ed.

    Australia should be about everyone having a fair crack at life. Yet we pay our unemployed and amount that is less than what a politician gets as an allowance for being in Canberra doing their ****ing job.

    Get the **** out of here member.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    Go look at the leftists running for the DMC candidacy

    They don't offer any solutions that work

    Just free shit to win votes
    i know right, its just like i said back in that post that you disagreed with then agreed with in a matter of hours.
    on fire son.
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    And I don't argue with FR. The bloke is a legend and deserves great praise for his contributions to football in the Hunter.
    He is also the second best poster on the entire Foz behind you
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    sometimes there's more to life than just winning
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    What a deadset ****ing coward **** you are
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frodo View Post
    The true leeches on our society are the 1% with all their tax breaks and bailouts.
    the leeches are the ones making the rules in Parliament. no way they are costing themselves a damn dollar.
    you think any of shortens planned negative gearing changes were gonna get voted in when such a large % of the parliament utilises the scheme?
    by sheer nature of being in that room, every politician, department head and major consultant are automatically in the top 5% of income earners.
    they are the rich that you despise, but you cant vote them out because another 'rich' person just jumps in the seat.
    the idea of 'taxing the rich' will never, ever ever work. not because its the wrong ideal, but its asking the 'rich' to volunteer their money. and life dont work like that.
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    And I don't argue with FR. The bloke is a legend and deserves great praise for his contributions to football in the Hunter.
    He is also the second best poster on the entire Foz behind you
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    sometimes there's more to life than just winning
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    What a deadset ****ing coward **** you are
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    Quote Originally Posted by plague View Post
    the leeches are the ones making the rules in Parliament. no way they are costing themselves a damn dollar.
    you think any of shortens planned negative gearing changes were gonna get voted in when such a large % of the parliament utilises the scheme?
    by sheer nature of being in that room, every politician, department head and major consultant are automatically in the top 5% of income earners.
    they are the rich that you despise, but you cant vote them out because another 'rich' person just jumps in the seat.
    the idea of 'taxing the rich' will never, ever ever work. not because its the wrong ideal, but its asking the 'rich' to volunteer their money. and life dont work like that.
    I understand that 100% and it hurts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skirt Boy View Post
    Are you ****ing serious?

    What happens if you're born in poverty, have an accident, disabled, support Arsenal?

    I can tell you now. This country is ****ed.

    Australia should be about everyone having a fair crack at life. Yet we pay our unemployed and amount that is less than what a politician gets as an allowance for being in Canberra doing their ****ing job.

    Get the **** out of here member.
    That the world we live in

    It ain't ****ing fair and balanced

    If you want to achieve anything in life bend your back and have a go

    Plenty of places in the world exist with out welfare

    Guess what happens there ??

    The locals get off their arse and earn a $ or they don't eat


    Here we have a nation of lazy unemployed ****s who are also fat ****s to boot
    How the **** does that happen??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frodo View Post
    You're mistaking more tax with equal tax. If they paid the same tax rate that I do there'd be no issue. Your right wing pollies keeps giving all those rich, supposedly successful business owners more help than anyone else, and then they trick idiots into thinking it's the welfare recipients and immigrants draining resources.
    Welfare and immigrants are a drain on resources that there is no doubt

    But the biggest drain on resources in this country is the bureaucracy in the government

    That costs us billions every year yet you want to moan about people minimising their tax as some giant issue

    The reality is that the rich are the ones paying the taxes now

    They are paying more than their share and getting the least out of the system

    It the lower end of society paying the least and then using the most and then bleating about how hard done they are whilst they have blokes like Skirt Boy championing their cause of being lazy

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    The Dole. Do you want to know why it is kept so low? Because it forces people into shitty employment and gives big business all the power because if you lose your job. What is the alternative?

    This is why we have the casualisation of the workforce. This is why we have so much part time work. This is why companies have been caught out underpaying staff.


    And this is just the Dole.......................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skirt Boy View Post
    This is why companies have been caught out underpaying staff.
    because employees have never lied to their bosses, ever.
    nope. all one way traffic there chief.

    there are shit bosses, there are shit employees, then there are shit government sponsored schemes possibly designed in good faith but exploited (legally) by employers (like Grill'd) because guess what, employers want to make more money every year just like their workers do.
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    And I don't argue with FR. The bloke is a legend and deserves great praise for his contributions to football in the Hunter.
    He is also the second best poster on the entire Foz behind you
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    What a deadset ****ing coward **** you are
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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    Welfare and immigrants are a drain on resources that there is no doubt

    But the biggest drain on resources in this country is the bureaucracy in the government

    That costs us billions every year yet you want to moan about people minimising their tax as some giant issue

    The reality is that the rich are the ones paying the taxes now

    They are paying more than their share and getting the least out of the system

    It the lower end of society paying the least and then using the most and then bleating about how hard done they are whilst they have blokes like Skirt Boy championing their cause of being lazy
    I wish I lived in your world member.

    You envy 3rd world countries, yet you seem to forget that the only reason your enjoy them is because our economy gulfs theirs. So you get to put in a quarter of their effort for 10 times the pay. Then you talk about lazy people not working hard enough.

    The rich pay more than their share? So when I pay over 40% in tax and big business pays about 26% on average how's that their fair share? (Westfarmers, Coles etc). Please explain that one too me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by plague View Post
    because employees have never lied to their bosses, ever.
    nope. all one way traffic there chief.

    there are shit bosses, there are shit employees, then there are shit government sponsored schemes possibly designed in good faith but exploited (legally) by employers (like Grill'd) because guess what, employers want to make more money every year just like their workers do.
    Mate you are wrong. Business deliberately did this with the mistaken belief that they could get away with it because of the trashing of unions, workers rights and the casualisation of the workforce.............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skirt Boy View Post
    Mate you are wrong. Business deliberately did this with the mistaken belief that they could get away with it because of the trashing of unions, workers rights and the casualisation of the workforce.............
    are you using a specific example or just the tired old "all bosses bad" mantra?
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    And I don't argue with FR. The bloke is a legend and deserves great praise for his contributions to football in the Hunter.
    He is also the second best poster on the entire Foz behind you
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    sometimes there's more to life than just winning
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    What a deadset ****ing coward **** you are
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    Seems like I am WRONG

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    Quote Originally Posted by plague View Post
    are you using a specific example or just the tired old "all bosses bad" mantra?
    If it was a company here or there. Yep mistakes happen. But you are talking about some of the largest companies in the country. Many of whom have dedicated HR and legal..............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frodo View Post
    I wish I lived in your world member.

    You envy 3rd world countries, yet you seem to forget that the only reason your enjoy them is because our economy gulfs theirs. So you get to put in a quarter of their effort for 10 times the pay. Then you talk about lazy people not working hard enough.

    The rich pay more than their share? So when I pay over 40% in tax and big business pays about 26% on average how's that their fair share? (Westfarmers, Coles etc). Please explain that one too me?
    You should live in my world

    It called reality

    Company tax and individual tax are too separate classes
    You trying to compare apples with oranges there pal

    May I though point out that Coles Westerners etc are paying hundreds of millions in tax. I don't think you are contributing anywhere near that amount

    Thailand isn't a 3rd world country
    The ****ing internet works there
    The signal drops out numerous times on the Sydney to Newy train line in 2019 FFS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skirt Boy View Post
    The Dole. Do you want to know why it is kept so low? Because it forces people into shitty employment and gives big business all the power because if you lose your job. What is the alternative?

    This is why we have the casualisation of the workforce. This is why we have so much part time work. This is why companies have been caught out underpaying staff.


    And this is just the Dole.......................
    You want to keep hammering on about the unfairness of the situation

    I ask then you to suggest an alternative to capitalism because that is your big bug bear here. You are just bitter as you think capitalism fails

    I do look forward to your reply to see how close it is to socialism


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