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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    Jones had 1-2 weeks of a pre season and has been given SA NPL level players as signings
    Given, or chosen?

    Regardless of the setup he had to use, McKinna and co always said the incoming coach had to be happy and stand by the squad. And IMO it is a better squad than Miller had to work with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    Miller had a whole 4 months of a pre season and input into signing a lot of last season's squad

    Jones had 1-2 weeks of a pre season and has been given SA NPL level players as signings

    Just let that sink in

    Because they are FACTS
    Ok Justify why Hoff is playing LB Mullen is playing RB and Cowburn and Vujica are riding the pine when towards December and January when we had Fullbacks who were on their right sides and positions our defense was much more stable. Also justify why Poijak was dropped for no reason several weeks back and around this time our midfield and in particular Stevie U turned to the shittest its been all season. Also why has an attack that was to a level firing around this time suddenly become non existent. These players were performing then and we were a massive maybe of making the six and since then we've gone backwards by a mile. Are the players turning to shit all down to them or Does Jones changing it up or possibly changing his tactics not play a massive part in our downfall. (In b4 you blame no resources and lack of pre season lalalala)
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    Quote Originally Posted by pv4 View Post
    given, or chosen?

    Regardless of the setup he had to use, mckinna and co always said the incoming coach had to be happy and stand by the squad. And imo it is a better squad than miller had to work with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET View Post
    Ok Justify why Hoff is playing LB Mullen is playing RB and Cowburn and Vujica are riding the pine when towards December and January when we had Fullbacks who were on their right sides and positions our defense was much more stable. Also justify why Poijak was dropped for no reason several weeks back and around this time our midfield and in particular Stevie U turned to the shittest its been all season. Also why has an attack that was to a level firing around this time suddenly become non existent. These players were performing then and we were a massive maybe of making the six and since then we've gone backwards by a mile. Are the players turning to shit all down to them or Does Jones changing it up or possibly changing his tactics not play a massive part in our downfall. (In b4 you blame no resources and lack of pre season lalalala)
    The Jets dominated the wanderers for large portions of the game and yet lost 3-0 due to a few individual errors - and not by any of the players you have mentioned either.
    In front of goal the Jets lacked composure and failed to capitalise - had the done so it would have been an entirely different result.
    The problem is we don't have a genuine goal scorer. Kokko hasn't worker out, Nobby lacks the engines, and Labi has never really had the strike rate in front to be a genuine starting striker.
    The tactics themselves have been fine - it's simply the lack of goals killing the team.

    I admittedly don't have the football knowledge of a lot of people here but I don't believe this seasons squad is stronger than last seasons - and it's certainly nowhere near as good as we had when Heskey, Taggs, Ryu, Zads.. and so on were playing.
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    Lee's can take 50% offault as well.

    If he didnt skitz out and sack Miller for no reason we would have been a little better off in the short term and lot better in the long term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dunster View Post
    The Jets dominated the wanderers for large portions of the game and yet lost 3-0 due to a few individual errors - and not by any of the players you have mentioned either.
    In front of goal the Jets lacked composure and failed to capitalise - had the done so it would have been an entirely different result.
    The problem is we don't have a genuine goal scorer. Kokko hasn't worker out, Nobby lacks the engines, and Labi has never really had the strike rate in front to be a genuine starting striker.
    The tactics themselves have been fine - it's simply the lack of goals killing the team.

    I admittedly don't have the football knowledge of a lot of people here but I don't believe this seasons squad is stronger than last seasons - and it's certainly nowhere near as good as we had when Heskey, Taggs, Ryu, Zads.. and so on were playing.
    We havent been creating anything for weeks. Even against WSW when we created a few chances we looked nowhere near scoring. Labi may lack scoring rate but he has alot of work rate and passion something this team needs in abundance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pv4 View Post
    Given, or chosen?

    Regardless of the setup he had to use, McKinna and co always said the incoming coach had to be happy and stand by the squad. And IMO it is a better squad than Miller had to work with.
    Better squad??

    Please please enlighten me who is better this season than last??

    It a serious question because

    Birraz
    LeakyG
    Devon Head
    Leonardo
    Milos

    Are easily 5 superior players than their replacements

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    Quote Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET View Post
    We havent been creating anything for weeks. Even against WSW when we created a few chances we looked nowhere near scoring. Labi may lack scoring rate but he has alot of work rate and passion something this team needs in abundance.
    I think you completely miss Dunsters point.

    When we get into a position the blokes we have don't have the ability to consistently put it away.

    Have a look at what we butchering

    Nordstrand tries giving it to Nabbout instead of pulling the trigger

    We also butchered one v Heart the other week before they score or the one where Nordstrand miss from under the bar v Heart

    All simple chances we take and we 1-0 up

    Whose fault is this??

    It the players inability to execute

    Has nothing to do with Ledman
    Has nothing to do with McKinna
    Has nothing to do with Jones

    It up to the players to execute. We create chances and then don't take them again and again and again

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawk View Post
    Lee's can take 50% offault as well.

    If he didnt skitz out and sack Miller for no reason we would have been a little better off in the short term and lot better in the long term.
    And this, people, is the truth bomb. Regardless of what led up to the decision, if Miller hadn't been sacked we would have had some stability for the first time in ages.

    I had a thought about the number of people stating they won't be back next season and why there is a fondness for Miller, even now. Even though his man management at times was apparently indifferent and he had an ego, Scott Miller marked a move away from the same-old people involved in the club for the last 7 years that have been unsuccessful - like Deans, Zane, Jones. He brought an expectation of European professionalism to the team, a youthful energy and fresh ideas. He was someone external to the club who was coming in without pre-conceived ideas or perceptions.

    The move back to Jones and Zane, perhaps for some, marked the return to the old ways of the club. People are just fed up with the medocrity. Last season marked progress both on and off the field - sponsors, an improved table position and some good wins late in the year. That's all that we can say about Miller's time.

    Maybe in the end it would have all turned to shit as it has this season, but we will never know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hawk View Post
    Lee's can take 50% offault as well.

    If he didnt skitz out and sack Miller for no reason we would have been a little better off in the short term and lot better in the long term.
    What you mean he sacked Miller for no reason??

    Miller had the insanity to try being insubordinate to his superior

    Asians it all about "FACE"

    Maybe he wasn't such an ego he would have known this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeterpool View Post
    And this, people, is the truth bomb. Regardless of what led up to the decision, if Miller hadn't been sacked we would have had some stability for the first time in ages.

    I had a thought about the number of people stating they won't be back next season and why there is a fondness for Miller, even now. Even though his man management at times was apparently indifferent and he had an ego, Scott Miller marked a move away from the same-old people involved in the club for the last 7 years that have been unsuccessful - like Deans, Zane, Jones. He brought an expectation of European professionalism to the team, a youthful energy and fresh ideas. He was someone external to the club who was coming in without pre-conceived ideas or perceptions.

    The move back to Jones and Zane, perhaps for some, marked the return to the old ways of the club. People are just fed up with the medocrity. Last season marked progress both on and off the field - sponsors, an improved table position and some good wins late in the year. That's all that we can say about Miller's time.

    Maybe in the end it would have all turned to shit as it has this season, but we will never know.
    totally agree with the above!

    in other news Jones have been given the full support of the board on the news, hehehe this quite often means the opposite

    if Lee is serious about this club, then i really think there will be some action taken by him this off-season. I also do wonder what information does the Chinese assistant pass on to him if any? or is he more of just extra hands?

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    Chinese assistant noticeably absent on saturday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by &1gest View Post
    Chinese assistant noticeably absent on saturday.
    Oooo ok. didnt watch weekends game, to be honest there are alot of other things which are more exciting these days

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeterpool View Post
    The move back to Jones and Zane, perhaps for some, marked the return to the old ways of the club.
    The old ways, like publicly stating they don't care about the Derby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    What you mean he sacked Miller for no reason??

    Miller had the insanity to try being insubordinate to his superior

    Asians it all about "FACE"

    Maybe he wasn't such an ego he would have known this
    Dont be a douche now, dont even try counter this. Lee fkd right up. Now get back to jones' ****
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    Quote Originally Posted by hawk View Post
    Dont be a douche now, dont even try counter this. Lee fkd right up. Now get back to jones' ****
    For stability reasons yes we should have kept Miller

    Issue is Miller was the one who stood up to Lee


    Might well wash in some places but when you dealing with an Asian male who controls your employmemt and your pay check being an arrogant **** who thinks you can tell him how it is is a pretty ****ing stupid idea.

    Dont under estimate the power of Asian men and face.
    They can be quite tolerant to western insensitiveness but they do not tolerate having someone they considee below them try and challenge or show them up

    Yeah Lee could have left Miller in the role but he wasnt ever going to.



    Milker got himself fired

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    Quote Originally Posted by pv4 View Post
    Given, or chosen?

    Regardless of the setup he had to use, McKinna and co always said the incoming coach had to be happy and stand by the squad. And IMO it is a better squad than Miller had to work with.
    Exactly, McKinna was sprouting off everywhere on his phone calls that whoever took the head coach roll would not be able to use the squad as an excuse for not making the top 6. If the coach didnt think the squad could do it, they weren't up to the job.

    Fast forward to the end of the season and the blame has been put squarely non the players and Jones has gotten a free pass to next season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    For stability reasons yes we should have kept Miller

    Issue is Miller was the one who stood up to Lee


    Might well wash in some places but when you dealing with an Asian male who controls your employmemt and your pay check being an arrogant **** who thinks you can tell him how it is is a pretty ****ing stupid idea.

    Dont under estimate the power of Asian men and face.
    They can be quite tolerant to western insensitiveness but they do not tolerate having someone they considee below them try and challenge or show them up

    Yeah Lee could have left Miller in the role but he wasnt ever going to.



    Milker got himself fired
    100% agree. It also sounds like McKinna and Griff both tried to stop him as they knew what the consequences of telling Lee how it was would go down.

    Miller shot himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sammydog View Post
    100% agree. It also sounds like McKinna and Griff both tried to stop him as they knew what the consequences of telling Lee how it was would go down.

    Miller shot himself.
    That precisely why the sympathy for this bloke from fans is ridiculous.

    The bloke got himself fired by being arrogant and self righteous and totally ****ed us all.

    Yet some would give the bloke a tickertape parade for it

    ****ing crazy

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    Lee should have taken Miller at his word. If someone was being a twat within the camp then high chance there was. And if there was a disagreement between the top guys ffs work it out. Lee wouldnt know sh1t about what was going on and was in no position to sack a decent coach chosen by the ffa. Asian boss is no better than any other twat. Yep common sense and club betterment is fking crazy.

    Geez i now hope we stay shit just to please these peeps who think jonelee is the almighty team.

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