SubCommittee meeting Dec6

[GazFish35]

We've got our next meeting Dec6th -

Any issues anyone would like raised?



new kit - and discussion of club colours / kit design in one thing id like to raise for them to start sorting now so we don't have the "timeframe is too short" excuse when next season's kits start to become a topic of discussion - the ffa made it clear that club colours were up for discussion -is this something Lee also sees as a discussion point or are we sticking with what we have - once and for all this issue needs to be put to bed either way.

ticketing seems to be being sorted EDIT: But enforcement of allocated seating in gold and silver sections is not happening and this is pissing people off.

[Jeterpool]

Minutes from previous meetings were being uploaded here

https://membership.newcastlejets.com...-sub-committee

Will also get this fixed so all can see what we have taken forward and the responses from the club.

[The Camel]

I would like to see the knights colours buggered off and the home kit be Cinnamon and Emerald

[Jetmaster]

I know it has brought up before but people helping themselves to platinum, gold and silver seating, who are NOT members is now spreading like a disease. Away fans from SFC and CC have helped themselves to member seating recently and if challenged just move to the next available. This has been going on for several seasons and is a well known rort - they know they will not be challenged by security and they know this is how they can get out of the sun.

Actually watched a group sit nearby the other day - after assessing whether anyone would want their seats at kickoff time, promptly phoned the rest of their group to come and join them.

Fair is fair - why should I fork out extra for a reserved seat when firstly, someone might be sitting in it when I arrive and secondly, I can do the same at less cost.

Ridiculous that the Squadron bay is treated like Colditz whilst anyone (from another club) can help themselves to a gold seat in the Western Stand.

[sammydog]

Fair is fair - why should I fork out extra for a reserved seat when firstly, someone might be sitting in it when I arrive and secondly, I can do the same at less cost.

Ridiculous that the Squadron bay is treated like Colditz whilst anyone (from another club) can help themselves to a gold seat in the Western Stand.

More to the point, why should I have to evict people from my seats every game.

I also love when someone tries to move into the bay with their GA tickets and proceed to tell everyone to shut up.

[hawk]

Minutes from previous meetings were being uploaded here. https://membership.newcastlejets.com...-sub-committee

Will also get this fixed so all can see what we have taken forward and the responses from the club.

lol. you're actually giving minutes! well done new sub-coms teams Kutgw.

Not sure there's a whole lot we need cept for some wins which is discussed in that other boardroom where knowledgeable fans are banned from. damn

More to the point, why should I have to evict people from my seats every game.

I also love when someone tries to move into the bay with their GA tickets and proceed to tell everyone to shut up.

try a beer shower, us having a shot is cause for celebration

[Jeterpool]

I know it has brought up before but people helping themselves to platinum, gold and silver seating, who are NOT members is now spreading like a disease. Away fans from SFC and CC have helped themselves to member seating recently and if challenged just move to the next available. This has been going on for several seasons and is a well known rort - they know they will not be challenged by security and they know this is how they can get out of the sun.

Actually watched a group sit nearby the other day - after assessing whether anyone would want their seats at kickoff time, promptly phoned the rest of their group to come and join them.

Fair is fair - why should I fork out extra for a reserved seat when firstly, someone might be sitting in it when I arrive and secondly, I can do the same at less cost.

Ridiculous that the Squadron bay is treated like Colditz whilst anyone (from another club) can help themselves to a gold seat in the Western Stand.

1000% with you.

[pv4]

1000% with you.

I bet both of you guys make people move inside the cinemas too.

You show people your ticket, they move, you get your seat. It's not your issue anymore. It's like 1minute of minor inconvenience for you. I just don't see the issue at all, hey.

You guys realise that what you're asking for in essence is our club to spend more money on something not football related, right? And by that I mean the only way to enforce it is to pay more people in yellow vests to monitor & police this. Think about how much you love the club, and where you want the clubs money invested the most. Then compare it to that 1 minute of inconvenience to yourself every other game.

[Jetmaster]

I bet both of you guys make people move inside the cinemas too.

You show people your ticket, they move, you get your seat. It's not your issue anymore. It's like 1minute of minor inconvenience for you. I just don't see the issue at all, hey.

You guys realise that what you're asking for in essence is our club to spend more money on something not football related, right? And by that I mean the only way to enforce it is to pay more people in yellow vests to monitor & police this. Think about how much you love the club, and where you want the clubs money invested the most. Then compare it to that 1 minute of inconvenience to yourself every other game.

If people just moved on sure - but sometimes you get some nasty pushback from some who look at you as if you are backward and either huff and puff or say "look at all the seats".

Last season for example we had about a dozen Wanderers sitting in the gold seats singing their songs and jumping up and down and letting everyone know about it - not "1 minute" but for 120 mins. That is not to be expected in an area local people pay good money for. Con had seccos at every entrance in the good old days.

We are seen as a soft touch - imagine Wanderers fans being allowed to sit amongst Smurfs glitterati or Victory member bays?

Am I a middle class snob - you betcha.

[Jeterpool]

I bet both of you guys make people move inside the cinemas too.

You show people your ticket, they move, you get your seat. It's not your issue anymore. It's like 1minute of minor inconvenience for you. I just don't see the issue at all, hey.

You guys realise that what you're asking for in essence is our club to spend more money on something not football related, right? And by that I mean the only way to enforce it is to pay more people in yellow vests to monitor & police this. Think about how much you love the club, and where you want the clubs money invested the most. Then compare it to that 1 minute of inconvenience to yourself every other game.

I know I could reduce my membership level from Silver to GA and go and sit in the stands because I know my ticket is going to be checked.

The way I look at it, are these people actually ripping the club off by taking that mindset? There's $80 difference between Red ($170) and Silver single adult membership but honestly, most of the Eastern bay is Gold so that a difference of $180.

If there are, for this example, 100 people who do take this approach every year and sit in the gold bays for a season despite having a GA card, the club are missing out on $11,800 in revenue. My bet is there are lots more that 100 who do it. Not to mention the blow-ins that go to the odd match.

We're actually ripping our own club off. This amount, when added up each year across all ticket classes, could fund some additional training gear, a few extra school visits, some increased advertising or even a coach or support staff. Would the amount we gain be off-set by additional security? Maybe. Would policing the ticketing harder actually drive people away? Perhaps.

So instead of thinking "it's a two-minute inconvenience" I'm actually looking at it as we're limiting the ability of our club to progress by not allowing them to maximise the match day revenue..

Not only that, but on a plane, I can't pay for a standard seat and expect to walk into first class and sit where I want.

[halo se7en]

I know I could reduce my membership level from Silver to GA and go and sit in the stands because I know my ticket is going to be checked.

The way I look at it, are these people actually ripping the club off by taking that mindset? There's $80 difference between Red ($170) and Silver single adult membership but honestly, most of the Eastern bay is Gold so that a difference of $180.

If there are, for this example, 100 people who do take this approach every year and sit in the gold bays for a season despite having a GA card, the club are missing out on $11,800 in revenue. My bet is there are lots more that 100 who do it. Not to mention the blow-ins that go to the odd match.

We're actually ripping our own club off. This amount, when added up each year across all ticket classes, could fund some additional training gear, a few extra school visits, some increased advertising or even a coach or support staff. Would the amount we gain be off-set by additional security? Maybe. Would policing the ticketing harder actually drive people away? Perhaps.

So instead of thinking "it's a two-minute inconvenience" I'm actually looking at it as we're limiting the ability of our club to progress by not allowing them to maximise the match day revenue..

Not only that, but on a plane, I can't pay for a standard seat and expect to walk into first class and sit where I want.

Depends what action they would take if forced to choose. Those 100 people might just settle for sitting on the hill, and because they're now sitting in the sun, surrounded by ****ing annoying kids running around them for 90minutes, they suddenly don't enjoy their matchday experience anymore, and subsequently don't renew membership the following year. If a fancy pants seat is out of their budget, GA might be the only option available to them. Do we want to turn those people away? Or is it better to get their GA money and fill up seats?

Same argument I use for downloading music. I download music that I wouldn't buy, so the artist isn't disadvantaged. If anything, it helps me find way more artists that I end up liking because I can sample more of their product. If I like an artist enough, I trust that I'll like a new album and I buy, and if it means I end up paying for tickets to see them live as well, they win in the long run.

[pv4]

I know I could reduce my membership level from Silver to GA and go and sit in the stands because I know my ticket is going to be checked.

The way I look at it, are these people actually ripping the club off by taking that mindset? There's $80 difference between Red ($170) and Silver single adult membership but honestly, most of the Eastern bay is Gold so that a difference of $180.

If there are, for this example, 100 people who do take this approach every year and sit in the gold bays for a season despite having a GA card, the club are missing out on $11,800 in revenue. My bet is there are lots more that 100 who do it. Not to mention the blow-ins that go to the odd match.

We're actually ripping our own club off. This amount, when added up each year across all ticket classes, could fund some additional training gear, a few extra school visits, some increased advertising or even a coach or support staff. Would the amount we gain be off-set by additional security? Maybe. Would policing the ticketing harder actually drive people away? Perhaps.

So instead of thinking "it's a two-minute inconvenience" I'm actually looking at it as we're limiting the ability of our club to progress by not allowing them to maximise the match day revenue..

Not only that, but on a plane, I can't pay for a standard seat and expect to walk into first class and sit where I want.

Genuinely sounds like you're asking people not to go to games and make the most out of it to me.

[The Dunster]

I know I could reduce my membership level from Silver to GA and go and sit in the stands because I know my ticket is going to be checked.

The way I look at it, are these people actually ripping the club off by taking that mindset? There's $80 difference between Red ($170) and Silver single adult membership but honestly, most of the Eastern bay is Gold so that a difference of $180.

If there are, for this example, 100 people who do take this approach every year and sit in the gold bays for a season despite having a GA card, the club are missing out on $11,800 in revenue. My bet is there are lots more that 100 who do it. Not to mention the blow-ins that go to the odd match.

We're actually ripping our own club off. This amount, when added up each year across all ticket classes, could fund some additional training gear, a few extra school visits, some increased advertising or even a coach or support staff. Would the amount we gain be off-set by additional security? Maybe. Would policing the ticketing harder actually drive people away? Perhaps.

So instead of thinking "it's a two-minute inconvenience" I'm actually looking at it as we're limiting the ability of our club to progress by not allowing them to maximise the match day revenue..

Not only that, but on a plane, I can't pay for a standard seat and expect to walk into first class and sit where I want.

The problem is that the market mechanism is failing. So that either means prices are too high, the income of fans is too low, or a combination of both.
I paid $82 for two tickets on the weekend. For me that's not an issue but for a lot of people that's a hell of a lot of money to spend on watching a team that struggles to aim up.
I was a member from the start of the league and yes I've lost count of the people I had to move from my seats when I arrived - but for better or worse that's the type of world we live in now.
The majority of people now are as bad as the puppet master leisure classes running the planet into oblivion - and the problem is a lot deeper than people trying for a free seating upgrade.

Policing it would cost a lot of money and for what ? You piss off the drop ins so they stop coming. And if you piss off the gold and plat members so what - the club already has their money so the club has no reason to police it. Because regardless of what they do they know the Gold and Plat types will sign up again next year for the same level or worse of shit being delivered to them.

That's why the club treats everyone like shit - because they know that no matter what happens they have a core group of members with more money than sense.

Note: I still think it's wrong to sit in an area you didn't pay for and wouldn't do it myself. Nor as a musician would I not pay for music I had in my possession.

[pv4]

Not only that, but on a plane, I can't pay for a standard seat and expect to walk into first class and sit where I want.

People get offered free upgrades all the time.

[Macca]

On the flipside, I've bought a GA membership the last few seasons and sat in the Eastern stand just about every game. Fair enough we might sit in someone's reserved seat although it hasn't happened yet. But if the stand is two thirds empty I don't see the problem in finding a seat there. Maybe the problem is worse in the Western stand given the amount of afternoon games we have, its obviously far more congested over in the shade.

[GazFish35]

edited OP

will try and add peoples views to the OP as discussion happens - if you fell you've been missed, or misunderstood, please let me know

as a sub committee we put three items on the agenda - but can usually raise more through the course of the meeting - so these points here will be synthesised with the other committee members before being put to the club.

[Cabaye#4]

Not sure if this is something to be discussed there, pardon my ignorance.
But January transfer plans?

Otherwise, I agree with the ticket enforcement.
I was gifted tickets to an open air box on halfway, and then randoms came & sat around us. As mooted above, I dont want to tell ppl where they can/cant sit.

Are we able to get the TVs turned on at the bars? It might just be my bar at the top of the Western GS, but they are always off. Everytime you go to Sydney @ SFS there are hundreds of TVs to make sure you don't miss the action, same at WSW away at the Showground last month. Is that something we could easily fix?

[Jeterpool]

Not sure if this is something to be discussed there, pardon my ignorance.
But January transfer plans?

Otherwise, I agree with the ticket enforcement.
I was gifted tickets to an open air box on halfway, and then randoms came & sat around us. As mooted above, I dont want to tell ppl where they can/cant sit.

Are we able to get the TVs turned on at the bars? It might just be my bar at the top of the Western GS, but they are always off. Everytime you go to Sydney @ SFS there are hundreds of TVs to make sure you don't miss the action, same at WSW away at the Showground last month. Is that something we could easily fix?

transfer plans are out of the scope of the committee unfortunatly - it's only membership, match-day experience and community focussed, not footballing department.

As for Tvs, that is something within the scope.

[pv4]

Kit supplier plans?

Club colours - remind them that 76% of us voted for e&c back when the club gave us a say (remind them how nice it is for members to have a say). And ask them when the last time they'd had more than three quarters of club members agree on anything outside of Stubbins and/or GVE Out.

Ask them for a clearly stated football philosophy that the club is headed towards and to highlight what are the major issues stopping the club from implementing them.

Ask them what the transfer fee for Ryan Griffiths was, Robbie Middleby never answered me.

Highlight the disappointment, whoever is to blame, for the complete lack of Saturday night home games (and night games in general). Even premeditate their answer by referencing TV deals etc, but tell them that the club members just want to voice how unhappy they are with the lack of night football and that should be one of the majors to strive for heading into preparations for next season.

Ask if the coaching staff are held to a list of kpi's and if they are meeting them currently.

[Jeterpool]

Highlight the disappointment, whoever is to blame, for the complete lack of Saturday night home games (and night games in general). Even premeditate their answer by referencing TV deals etc, but tell them that the club members just want to voice how unhappy they are with the lack of night football and that should be one of the majors to strive for heading into preparations for next season.

This has been raised and has been done to death. In summary club make requests, Fox set the agenda because they pay the bills.