Did you even listen to what Mark said?Originally Posted by MFKS
Did you even listen to what Mark said?
Of course he doesn't. This point has been brought up about 30,000,000 times in the past and he ignores it over and over and over again.
Do you understand the bloke just isn't good enough
Same as Kanta
Same as BK
Etc
Who gives a **** if we can subsidise wages by moving their wages outside the cap
We still have shit players in our squad
That the main problem
It high time our fans got out of this piss weak mediocrity thinking
Because whether these blokes are in the cap or out of the cap they are still shit
They are dragging the standards down at the club
They are also showing every bloke who comes here they can coast and get by as shit ****s like BK Kanta etc get a new gig each year
Standards improve when you start removing mediocrity from the squad
We are required by FFA/PFA/powers that be to have two goalkeepers registered in the squad. One of them needs to be first team quality whilst the other one can be as shit as we want with the aim for them never to play a game.Are we better off from an overall team strength perspective spending any money on that player in the cap keeping in mind that it reduces the overall salary cap available to spend on the other good players you insist we must have OR are we better off spending money outside the cap on a player like BK who is one of the few that actually qualifies for the type of outside the cap spending that is available?
Are we better off acknowledging that Cowburn and Kanta aren't amazing footballers but provide depth across multiple positions on the field and qualify for the outside the cap spending that we can't use on anyone else? Keeping in mind that we could have 3 adequate A-league squad players for the grand sum of $0,000,000.00 against the cap meaning the rest can be split up to attract higher quality players.
BK and Kanta are (probably) gone but with our Cowburn if the options are" sack him because Member said he is shit but we might as well take the salary cap hit up front" or "let's move him outside the cap and use his salary amount to attract another player in a position of dire need", can you not understand why people are talking about moving him outside the cap?
Well said Grim
Yep, let's sack all the blokes still on contract and see what kind of player we can come up with when we have no cap space left to pay for them. Great idea, Member, great idea. Why don't you run a football club with this amazing knowledge you have of the game?
PS Good to see your friend Cabbage or whatever leafy green was called is doing the business in Bundesliga or Serie A or wherever your amazing scouting ability got him.
Cowburn would be on close enough to minimum wage. So even getting his wage off the cap it's not going to make much difference at all. If he was on $150k or more then yes it would be a good idea.
The better option is to find him another club so we can raise the minimum standard of our squad to a level compatible with actually challenging for a title.
And I'm not making COwburn a whipping boy either. He's a good player and always gives everything he has on the field. Problem is we need more than what he can produce if we want to be competitive with SFC and Victory over an entire season.
Last edited by The Dunster; 01-05-2017 at 07:10 PM.
This is great
Let's just negate the reality that everytime the Gypo speaks about money he keeps mentioning a budget
Because it would appear the the Chinese Lightsalesman gives the club x amount of $$ to blow on things
Let's also negate the fact we ain't even using the marquee allowances or any of that shit anyway
You keep harping on that we should use these loop holes to keep shit players.
I saying No
You use these loop holes to get better players
If we use any of these loop holes next season it should be on signing an elite player
Not to fudge the salary cap so shit **** players like Kanta and Cowburn are outside the cap
Maybe in time when we get our shit together we have a stable good squad we use these things but right now we don't touch them at all
Until we have our foreign marquee
Socceroo marquee Tim Cahill rule marquee etc and all these other marquee allowances being utilised why in ****s name are we worrying about fudging an extra 50k under the salary cap for??
Fix the real ****ing problems please
i can dig the BK (keeper) deal going outside the cap but props on a reduced rate (is he off contract?).
As for the rest im agreeing with the good Member.
Yep agree with Member too....
Dare to Zlatan
Originally Posted by Grimario
He won't make that mistake at Newcastle since our team is full of number 2's.
Agree with member too, spending money on avg players, whether inside or outside the cap is still using up squad spots and eating into our Chinese overlords budget allocation for the club. cons outweigh the pros.
In an ideal world, I like what The Member is saying, but it just doesn't work like that..
Who are these imaginary decent players that would want to play for a shambles of a club, and be paid fvck all for it???
What Grim is saying, is absolutely the reality of it all..
Well that's an entirely different question to what the Member is discussing.
There are literally thousands of better players out there.
We don't seem to have a scouting network outside of the CEO's MySpace friends and the South Australian NPL.
The answer to Members question is how much Mr Lee is going to spend. If he only gives the Gypo the salary cap amount then it doesn't matter how much is inside or outside the cap. The budget is the budget.
Now, if Mr Lee is going to spend outside the cap then sure, the allowances are in play.
But has there been any indication from anyone up high if that will be the case?
I'm assuming only the cap amount will be spent. So if that's the case resigning the same players will land us in the exact same spot.
I agree with Member... in principle.
Whilst outside the cap provisions like Club Player are great, they also take up valuable squad spots, on which there is a minimum and maximum number we can have.
Youth Player spots are much the same, except we MUST have a minimum number in the squad number. That said, we'd be better off using those youth spots to double down with the Local Player spots and save having to use 2 squad spots when we could be claiming 1.
Con outweighs everyone except Tinkler.
I miss Con
If we have a "budget" that we are working towards, we aren't ever going to be competitive against sides who spend our entire budget on one or two players. The salary cap is fake equivalence.
I was speaking to someone last week about a player playing for Smurfs FC
All 3rd hand info of course as this person was speaking to an official at Smurfs FC
Subject of wages for Smurfs players came up and it was mentioned that one high profile player was on only 88k a season.
Yep only 88k
This bloke will be the bloke most likely lifting the toilet seat at FT on Sunday
Now the reason he is on that money is he wants to play at a good club
Now contrast that with the reported 6figure deals we are paying our captain and the 6figure deal we reported to be paying Raheem Sterling
Reality is there is good players out there not on anywhere near the money we are paying lesser players
That what we need to start addressing
Return on $$ spent in player wages.
All we need to do is look for a player without a manager to find out who it is. Because there is simply no way any player manager would be willing to accept $88k for a high profile player. It might be their wage but there will definitely be a brown paper bag or two with "bonus payments" or some kind of 3rd party deal / sweetener involved.
You could count the players in this league that rate winning over money / lifestyle on one hand. The majority of players seek a lifestyle and really couldn't care less about winning or losing as long as it doesn't affect the lifestyle they are pursuing. And by lifestyle I'm talking commodity fetish, leisure class, conspicuous consumption, and all the other shit associated with them.
Last edited by The Dunster; 02-05-2017 at 12:30 PM.
That is one advantage a big city team has over regional sides. If I said to you you could play for any EPL team who would you pick, Man City, Utd, Chelsea or WBA Stoke etc???
Whether it is an advantage or not isn't the issue
They are getting better performance to $$ deals from their players than we are
Take blokes like Boogaard. Now how far off value to $$ is he compared to say O'Neill and Rhyan Grant ??
Those two probably on **** all over minimum wage and they deliver every week
High time we looked at our own backyard and getting wages in order with performance
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