2018 NEW FM League thread

[ForeverBlack]

Rumours growing stronger of an NPL 1 and an NPL 2 from season 2020 with promotion and relegation between these 2 divisions each year.
My thoughts
NPL 1
EDGEWORTH
MAGIC
OLYMPIC
JAFFAS
AZZURRI
WESTON
MAITLAND
LAKES
NPL 2
JETS YOUTH
VALENTINE
ADAMSTOWN
COOKS HILL
CESSNOCK
WEST WALLSEND
BELSWANS
TORONTO/ SOUTHY
It will be interesting to see if northern come up with any transparency in the selection process of who makes up what division. Will it be criteria based or results based. And if so northern should be informing clubs now.
Will they go with the top 8 teams in NPL at the end of season 2019 and the bottom 3 clubs get relegated

[MFKS]

Rumours growing stronger of an NPL 1 and an NPL 2 from season 2020 with promotion and relegation between these 2 divisions each year.
My thoughts
NPL 1
EDGEWORTH
MAGIC
OLYMPIC
JAFFAS
AZZURRI
WESTON
MAITLAND
LAKES
NPL 2
JETS YOUTH
VALENTINE
ADAMSTOWN
COOKS HILL
CESSNOCK
WEST WALLSEND
BELSWANS
TORONTO/ SOUTHY
It will be interesting to see if northern come up with any transparency in the selection process of who makes up what division. Will it be criteria based or results based. And if so northern should be informing clubs now.
Will they go with the top 8 teams in NPL at the end of season 2019 and the bottom 3 clubs get relegated

Considering that every NPL club of note has their own ground and no access issues into cricket season why are we not trying to expand the season ??

20 game season could be looked at being bulked up to another 6/10 games easy

As much as I am a fan of promotion and relegation going down in number of teams for me isnt a good thing

I would rather we were upping it towards a 14/16 team top division

[Goatscheese]

Clubs that are known or rumoured to have applied from the NEWFM: Kahibah, Cooks Hill, South Cardiff, West Wallsend, Wallsend. Not heard about any others, but if anyone can enlighten me, I would be grateful.

New Lambton as well, they are about to build a stadium at Alder Park to help them meet the criteria.

I am also told that the youth grades will not be split into NPL1 and NP2, but rather they will all be in together. This is a good solution. Imagine winning all grades in youth but coming last in first grade and your club gets relegated. All those youth kids might walk rather than drop a grade. No drop means less likely to leave.

Probably not a bad idea, but they could combat this by having a Club Championship decide on relegation/promotion

[Goatscheese]

Which 2 teams? ww3 would breakout

Maybe have a newcastle "rep" team in the nsw npl. Creates a direct pathway to Sydney or State teams.

Need to keep our comp as strong as possible while keeping a higher pathway open. currently near non existent. Not many nnsw npl players hitting aleague is there?

A rep team and the Emerging Jets.

At any rate the Emerging Jets would be one team so it would be which 1 team moves into it.

[Goatscheese]

Will they go with the top 8 teams in NPL at the end of season 2019 and the bottom 3 clubs get relegated

That would be the most sensible option, which means Northern won't do it.

[pessimist]

Rumours growing stronger of an NPL 1 and an NPL 2 from season 2020 with promotion and relegation between these 2 divisions each year.
It will be interesting to see if northern come up with any transparency in the selection process of who makes up what division. Will it be criteria based or results based. And if so northern should be informing clubs now.
Will they go with the top 8 teams in NPL at the end of season 2019 and the bottom 3 clubs get relegated

Would rather see 2 groups of 10 teams with yearly relegation/promotion

Maybe a chance for the top ZPL team for promotion every 2nd year if meeting criteria.

[ForeverRed]

Clubs will go nowhere without an NPL license, only a few in Newfm have one,

[The Postman]

And that’s why just pushing 2/3 teams from NewFM into an expanded NPL is the only solution.

They won’t get 5 NewFM teams that meet the entire NPL criteria. No point having a team in the NPL2 that can’t get promoted.

And as other people have said, imagine the backlash when NNSW want to drop 3 current NPL teams and you can bet that one of them won’t be the Jets.

So you’ll have 1 NPL with 11-14 teams and the remaining NewFM teams are left to go back into the ZL system.

[The Anvil]

I think Northern/Newcastle Football should streamline the top 2 divisions. 2 x 10 team comps. 1st grade, reserve grade, 20's or 23's whatever.
Promotion and Relegation for top/bottom 2 (first grade) teams. (NPL & NL1/NewFM)
The 20's/23's all play in one comp, essentially like how the UK does their elite youth competition. ( eg, Broadmeadow magic vs New Lambton) 19 game season.

Even through to ZPL, it should be the right of the ZPL club who are Minor Premiers to decide weather they accept promotion into NL1/NewFm. It should not come down to licensing or ground restrictions to be able to play in that competition. If they choose too or think they can field at 20's/23's side, let them. Obviously people will whinge about ground facilities, but players also need to learn how to play on paddocks and adapt to conditions.

Zone Leagues just stay the way they are for promotion/relegation. 1 up and 1 down

[Bremsstrahlung]

I think the 2020 season should be planned factoring in results from NPL and New FM.

Grant licenses to teams as they qualify. No more “3 year license period”. If we want our clubs to improve, there’s not much point making them wait 3 years. If they meet the criteria, they get a license, if they don’t meet it, NNSW should clearly tell them what they need to do, or in some cases maybe a conditional license, eg license for 2 years, to allow time ground improvements etc. if not completed, they lose the license.

I’m not a fan of any massive changes to NPL 1 atm. I think 1 or 2 teams could be promoted.
Then base it off minor premiers or club championship in New FM. If they win, they have a opportunity to join NPL1.
I think this should be the way forward. Increase the numbers in NPL1 and then when we get to 20 licenses, split.

I’m not sure the sporting landscape in Newcastle supports second best in terms of leagues and competitions.
Crowds for NPL1 will be higher and NPL2 will end up being a bit of a graveyard.


Regardless of what clubs are up in NPL, the best players will be spread amongst them. It happened each year.
South Cardiff go down, their best players find other NPL clubs and their club struggles away in Second division with a completely new team. Azzurri and makes go down and majority of their players left. Few club stalwarts played to regain promotion.
Same for promoted teams, they attract players that maybe aren’t getting games at their current clubs.
It’s just a big merry go round in terms of players.

If Olympic or Magic were to be relegated, I dare say a majority of their club would disperse to other clubs.


What’s the preferred outcome:
A) one NPL with gradual increase of clubs, with no relegation
B) 2 NPL with promotion and relegation between
C) 1 or 2 NPL with promotion and relegation between all levels down to ZL3

[MFKS]

I think Northern/Newcastle Football should streamline the top 2 divisions. 2 x 10 team comps. 1st grade, reserve grade, 20's or 23's whatever.
Promotion and Relegation for top/bottom 2 (first grade) teams. (NPL & NL1/NewFM)
The 20's/23's all play in one comp, essentially like how the UK does their elite youth competition. ( eg, Broadmeadow magic vs New Lambton) 19 game season.

Even through to ZPL, it should be the right of the ZPL club who are Minor Premiers to decide weather they accept promotion into NL1/NewFm. It should not come down to licensing or ground restrictions to be able to play in that competition. If they choose too or think they can field at 20's/23's side, let them. Obviously people will whinge about ground facilities, but players also need to learn how to play on paddocks and adapt to conditions.

Zone Leagues just stay the way they are for promotion/relegation. 1 up and 1 down

That idea to do the youth in the one comp is a great idea

When the NPL started the clubs like Valo and Lakes and Southy whom have got relegated have pretty much crippled their yoof set up as the Seniors got relegated

Should have left their Yoof in the NPL Yoof and increased the size of that comp whilst the Seniors done penance in New FM

Even more stupid when Lakes and Valo have had to rebuild it all again a year or so later once they got promotion

[football_macigian23]

Well Westy used to be in top league and were compliant then so there is one, the other would be Belswans. Some may argue Southy but they are a basket case my good mate (who played there this year) tells me and have done very little the last few years in improving anything.

Noticed on Southy's Facebook this morning that they've been given a $130k grant to improve their lighting and playing surface at Ulinga. Seems to be work going on in the background that none of us can see

[Bremsstrahlung]

Noticed on Southy's Facebook this morning that they've been given a $130k grant to improve their lighting and playing surface at Ulinga. Seems to be work going on in the background that none of us can see

Good signs.
Sounds like they’ll be trying for a license.

[MFKS]

Noticed on Southy's Facebook this morning that they've been given a $130k grant to improve their lighting and playing surface at Ulinga. Seems to be work going on in the background that none of us can see

Speaking of lighting those lights at Edgy last Saturday night were terrible for a match and it bizarre that a club with as much coin as Edgy have spent over the years have lighting that is barely suitable for training let alone a match

How many clubs in Newy actually have adequate lights for say FFA Cup games bar Magic Park and Stade de Newy ??

[oneeye]

Everyone needs to remember Northern will set the criteria to suit their criteria .

They expanded these divisions recently with Junior Teams for 3 reasons

1) Playing number increase to show FFA how they are growing game so they can continue to stand alone.
2) Increased Numbers = Increased REVENUE
3) To have all the best kids from 10-18 playing as a NNSWF member.

So there is no way they will send back 6 Clubs with 6 teams each back to ZLs.
600 players and revenue lost No Chance

What you will see is

NPL 1 8 Teams
NPL 2 8 Teams

With promotion/ relegation and a combined junior comp ages 12, 14, 16 18 , 20’s
A NPL Club could not handle 16 game comps in 9 age groups.

Northern League 10 Teams
6 teams who miss out on NPL + 4 Zone League Clubs
Junior age groups 13, 15 , 17, 19’s

Promoted Clubs could be Mayfield , Dudley , Swansea and Kotara due to all these areas have large Junior Clubs. This league could have a time frame to get up to the level.

So it will serve their 3 requirements
1) Increases NNSWF numbers by 400 players
2) Increases Revenue
3) All age groups are covered.

[Hunter403]

Good signs.
Sounds like they’ll be trying for a license.

Yep,

Southy have put in the expression of interest and have moved to the next phase where they will be permitted to apply.

The grant from the Asian Cup legacy fund was only part of the gran that was awarded. It was a lot more than that in total. In addition, the facilities at Ulinga are slated for rebuilding in 2020/2021. New change rooms, new community hall, new canteens etc. Huge changes going on at Ulinga over the next couple of years including retaining wall to level field 2.

Their first grade just missed the top 4 this year, as did their 23s and their 15s lost 2 matches all year and won the grand final. They improved their committee as well this year and sponsorship.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Good to hear.
It was a shame to see them go down. There were a lot of loyal players and committee members who wanted better.
I remember the clubhouse renovation/rebuilding was proposed about 8 years ago, and council knocked it back.
Here’s hoping a good quality facility is the outcome. Lots of space and potential there.

[Hunter403]

Huge potential. Just needs to be tapped. Could become one of the best facilities in the region over time.

[pessimist]

What you will see is

NPL 1 8 Teams
NPL 2 8 Teams

With promotion/ relegation and a combined junior comp ages 12, 14, 16 18 , 20’s
A NPL Club could not handle 16 game comps in 9 age groups.

Northern League 10 Teams
6 teams who miss out on NPL + 4 Zone League Clubs
Junior age groups 13, 15 , 17, 19’s
.

Is this Npl2 grade is higher than the current NewFM grade?

[Hunter403]

Is this Npl2 grade is higher than the current NewFM grade?

Higher standards regarding competition criteria. Overtime, as SAP fills out the junior teams, it will get better