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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeterpool View Post
    If Tinkler has gone down the performance management track with Zane, Packer and Young then he could theoretically sack them as he has. If their position is REDUNDANT then he could simply give them 4 weeks notice and put them on gardening leave. It all depends on what was contained within the contract they signed.
    Hard to make an assistant coach redundant, especially when you are supposedly replacing him with Mark Jones. Tinkler states that Zane was sacked because of a breakdown in relationship, not changing positions. Zane saying their working relationship was fine and it came as a surprise, so I don't think they have gone down either the performance management road or the redundancy road fully. Tinks just sacked them.

    Neil Young is easier to claim redundancy, with Van Stratten acting as player/goalkeeping coach. But he probably didn't have as tight a contract as Zane anyway, who states that he used his time at the acting head coach to secure the 2 year contract and guarantee his future.

    Tinks said in the interview, "I don't know the legal ins and outs". He just makes a decision and leaves others to deal with the fallout and pull him through it.
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    You can't be sacked on poor performance just like that - the issues are to be raised with the employee given the opportunity to address areas of concern, usually via a three month action plan.

    Tinks ignores basic workplace relations, always has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pico View Post
    The entire interview was as soft as you could go, even the non-soft serve questions that were asked were answered poorly and allowed to slide. The entire SBS acting as Tinklers mouth piece throughout the Asian Cup just stinks of bitterness that SBS wasn’t awarded the broadcast rights, why else would they time every single one of the releases to coincide with sooceroos performances.
    I'm not sure it's bitterness that's driving SBS agenda here. I think they just see a great story and they've got the inside running on it.

    good on them from a business point of view, but yeah, the tinkler mouthpiece thing is getting a bit tired.


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    NATHAN Tinkler must convince Football Federation Australia that the Newcastle Jets are a viable concern at a last-chance meeting in Sydney on Monday as it emerged the club may not have enough players to meet A-League regulations.

    The Jets owner and chairman will meet FFA chief executive David Gallop, chief financial controller John Kelly and A-League boss Damien de Bohun at the governing body’s headquarters.

    Mr Tinkler missed Saturday’s deadline to pay debts and address operational issues tabled by the FFA.

    ‘‘The Hunter Sports Group gave undertakings to FFA last month about the Jets’ finances, personnel and structure of the club,’’ an FFA spokesperson said. ‘‘The undertakings represent the immediate steps required to bring some stability to the Jets operation.

    ‘‘Nothing has changed in the past 24 hours. The situation is critical, and FFA’s senior management plans to urgently discuss matters with HSG regarding next steps.’’

    It is understood the Jets’ immediate liabilities, which include $140,000 to Northern NSW Football and unpaid superannuation to players and staff, are well over the $500,000 previously reported.

    Staffing levels are also below A-League standard requirements.

    The FFA has repeatedly stated that Newcastle is essential to the A-League, but whether the club remains under Mr Tinkler is doubtful. If the former billionaire is unable to demonstrate on Monday an ability to pay the debts and appoint key personnel, the FFA has the power to revoke the Jets’ A-League licence. The first step in that process would be issuing a show-cause notice.

    In a chaotic week, the Jets moved on Wednesday to sack five players, which would leave them with 13 contracted senior players.

    Former Olyroos winger Travis Cooper has joined the squad as an injury replacement for James Virgili (broken ankle).

    Defender Daniel Mullen has signed until the end of the season, and the Jets are close to finalising contracts with South Korean defender Lee Ki-je and veteran keeper Jesse Vanstrattan.

    If those deals are completed, the Jets will still be below the minimum 20 players stipulated in the regulations before Friday’s visit by the Brisbane Roar.

    Jets chief executive Robbie Middleby and chairman Ray Baartz resigned on January 8, two days before Mr Tinkler took the club off the market.

    Their departure was followed by the axing of assistant coach Clayton Zane, goalkeeping coach Neil Young and trainer Andrew Packer on Wednesday. Michael Bridges (assistant coach) resigned two days later.

    Youth team coach James Pascoe assisted coach Phil Stubbins at training on Friday. Former Jets assistant coach Mark Jones is expected to join the club this week.

    Adding to the upheaval, the club has taken action to terminate the contracts of senior players Kew Jaliens, Joel Griffiths, David Carney, Adrian Madaschi and Billy Celeski.

    Their dismissals came after a meeting of all the players in which they told Stubbins they had lost respect for him, were frustrated with his training methods and team selections and would not play for him.

    The Jets have recorded one win in 15 games. The situation reached boiling point after the 7-0 capitulation to Adelaide nine days ago.

    In an interview with The World Game website, Mr Tinkler said a draft contract had been sent to a new chief executive and ruled out further sackings. He outlined, but did not provide details of, a five-year plan to transform the Jets into a powerhouse.

    The new direction comes five months after Mr Tinkler declared the club was for sale, saying he ‘‘can’t wait to get them out the door’’.

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    From sbs I think

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    THE senior players exiled by the Newcastle Jets will not leave the club until they are guaranteed the money Nathan Tinkler owes them.

    Captain Kew Jaliens, 2008 grand final hero Joel Griffiths, David Carney, Adrian Madaschi and Billy Celeski were told on Wednesday night that their contracts would be terminated.

    The cull followed the dismissal earlier in the day of assistant coach Clayton Zane, goalkeeping coach Neil Young and trainer Andrew Packer.

    Assistant coach and former captain Michael Bridges resigned on Friday over how the sackings were handled.

    The players are not welcome at training but are still awaiting amended termination offers from the club.

    The Professional Footballers Australia players union received drafts of the offers on Friday but has requested alterations and inclusions.

    The five sacked players: From left; Kew Jaliens, Joel Griffiths, David Carney, Adrian Madaschi and Billy Celeski.

    ‘‘The standard termination form does not provide the additional protection the players are seeking with regards to salary and outstanding statutory obligations, including super,’’ PFA chief executive Adam Vivian told the Newcastle Herald.

    ‘‘They want protection in the document so that, if they decided to accept the offer, they can sign it in the confidence that those entitlements will be met.

    ‘‘We wrote to the club on Saturday and again today to try and finalise those clauses.

    ‘‘We are awaiting a response.

    ‘‘At this stage no player has accepted the termination, nor will they enter into meaningful discussions with their agents and families until we get the requisite clauses ironed out.’’

    Tinkler was not available for comment on Sunday.

    In an interview on The World Game website on Saturday, the mining tycoon said ‘‘the amounts are agreed and the players will move on’’.

    WATCH THE SBS INTERVIEW WITH TINKLER HERE.

    ‘‘I’m not trying to rip anyone off. The club is going in a different direction,’’ he said.

    Jaliens, Griffiths, Madaschi and Celeski are off contract at the end of the season.

    The offer to the four is for mutual termination, which requires the players to agree.

    But Tinkler was adamant the players would not be at the club under any circumstances.

    ‘‘Those players are no longer part of the club,’’ he said.

    ‘‘We are paying them out. They have no say in it. That is it. They are moving on.’’

    Vivian rejected Tinkler’s comments.

    ‘‘The reality is that they are still employees of the club,’’ he said. ‘‘They have not agreed to a termination, firstly.

    ‘‘Secondly, you cannot unilaterally terminate without just cause. This is about a mutual termination.

    ‘‘It is fine for the Jets to present their position that they don’t want the players there, but there has to be a lawful process taken. That is basic workplace relations.’’

    Carney has another season to run on his deal. After initially offering to pay out the final 18 months of his contract, the Jets moved to sack him, with no payout, over three alleged breaches.

    ‘‘David has been issued two breaches, which he has accepted,’’ Vivian said. ‘‘The third one we have rejected in writing.

    ‘‘I did speak to Nathan, and he advised that he will formally respond early this week.’’

    If an agreement cannot be reached, the matter is likely to go to arbitration and could take weeks to finalise.

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    Oh man I can't wait to see who our next CEO will be?......
    Dare to Zlatan

    Originally Posted by Grimario

    He won't make that mistake at Newcastle since our team is full of number 2's.

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    CEO tip Archie Fraser
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    Harper just described our play as constipated. Perfect description of our slow movement that goes nowhere and of our coach who is full of shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pico View Post
    CEO tip Archie Fraser
    Will probably be someone in sports administration who has wanted to be in an A-League club for ages with no gigs available. Like an administrative Mark Jones. Happy to get the gig despite the potential risk.

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    Any idea what time the meeting between tinkler and the ffa was meant to be?

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    So what the **** is going on??

    Tinks never paid his bills the FFA had the predicted opportunity to step in and boot his arse out yet the day has more or less passed and no action and **** all media reports on the issue at all.

    Remind me again who of you were putting your faith in the FFA as being a competent organisation???

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    So what the **** is going on??

    Tinks never paid his bills the FFA had the predicted opportunity to step in and boot his arse out yet the day has more or less passed and no action and **** all media reports on the issue at all.

    Remind me again who of you were putting your faith in the FFA as being a competent organisation???
    Show cause has now been given

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    So what the **** is going on??

    Tinks never paid his bills the FFA had the predicted opportunity to step in and boot his arse out yet the day has more or less passed and no action and **** all media reports on the issue at all.

    Remind me again who of you were putting your faith in the FFA as being a competent organisation???
    Newcastle Jets in crisis: FFA serve Nathan Tinkler a formal notice of club’s financial state
    Barry Toohey The Daily Telegraph February 02, 2015 6:06PM

    NATHAN Tinkler’s future as owner of the Newcastle Jets appears on borrowed time after he was asked to show cause why his A-League licence should not be revoked following a meeting with FFA officials on Monday.

    The meeting was called after the former billionaire mining magnate failed to meet an FFA deadline of last Saturday to have substantial debts paid and administrative issues dealt with at the club.

    The FFA issued a short statement following the meeting which reads:

    “FFA today held another round of talks with Nathan Tinkler and received assurances about his intention to recapitalise the Newcastle Jets and comprehensively address urgent issues in the club’s operation,” an FFA spokesman said.

    “FFA advised the Jets that it has decided to give the club a formal notice in relation to its financial state. The Jets will be given a short period to respond to the formal notice.”

    The FFA has not stipulated publicly how long the “short period” of time is for Tinkler to respond to the notice.

    The club is in disarray after Tinkler sacked five senior players and three coaching staff last Wednesday after reacting savagely to the Jets’ poor season and a player coup to oust coach Phil Stubbins.

    The sacked players — David Carney, Kew Jaliens, Joel Griffiths, Billy Celeski and Adrian Madaschi — remain on the club’s books with the PFA union disputing their terminations.
    http://www.foxsports.com.au/football...%20-%20Tinkler on notice after FFA meeting

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    Griff will come through this as a hero.
    Go jetties

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmac79 View Post
    Griff will come through this as a hero.
    Of course he will

    Comes back to play for us after his unfair banishment and overcoming the obstacles in his way and he will make the legend grow.
    Never plays for us again due to his unfair banishment and that will make the legend grow.

    Griff is the hero either way

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    Quote Originally Posted by lil_masi View Post
    Show cause has now been given
    So basically they have given Tinkler more time to get the house in order and pay the bills if he so desires and have delayed the chance of any resolution to our situation anytime soon??

    If he is serious with his claim on keeping the club the FFA giving him an extension is rather generous and undeserving to pay the Super and NNSW the money he owes them

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    So basically they have given Tinkler more time to get the house in order and pay the bills if he so desires and have delayed the chance of any resolution to our situation anytime soon??

    If he is serious with his claim on keeping the club the FFA giving him an extension is rather generous and undeserving to pay the Super and NNSW the money he owes them
    Must be the process. 14 days is apparently the magic number

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    So basically they have given Tinkler more time to get the house in order and pay the bills if he so desires and have delayed the chance of any resolution to our situation anytime soon??

    If he is serious with his claim on keeping the club the FFA giving him an extension is rather generous and undeserving to pay the Super and NNSW the money he owes them
    No
    In layman's terms they have asked him to show why he hasn't paid his debts, if they feel the answer given is unsatisfactory then they will strip him of the license. It's all due process dotting the I's crossing the T's, be patient and keep the faith.
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    I'M GULLIBLE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    So basically they have given Tinkler more time to get the house in order and pay the bills if he so desires and have delayed the chance of any resolution to our situation anytime soon??

    If he is serious with his claim on keeping the club the FFA giving him an extension is rather generous and undeserving to pay the Super and NNSW the money he owes them
    Look at the Member, all waiting for Gallop and Seal Team 6 to go all Bin Laden on old Tinks.
    Settle down old son.
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    And I don't argue with FR. The bloke is a legend and deserves great praise for his contributions to football in the Hunter.
    He is also the second best poster on the entire Foz behind you
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    sometimes there's more to life than just winning
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    What a deadset ****ing coward **** you are
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    Seems like I am WRONG

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    So what the **** is going on??

    Tinks never paid his bills the FFA had the predicted opportunity to step in and boot his arse out yet the day has more or less passed and no action and **** all media reports on the issue at all.

    Remind me again who of you were putting your faith in the FFA as being a competent organisation???
    Please don't tell me you expected this sorted quickly, the first business day after we became asian champions.

    FFA were working behind the scenes for weeks to line Tinkler up in preparation to boot Con.
    They're lining their ducks up. Give them time.

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