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    Is the Emerging Jets Program working?

    How many years has it been running for? 7 years or so? Is 7 years long enough to make a judgement?

    Has it produced any quality players? I'm not talking about those that are good at NPL level because we have produced hundreds of those for decades without the EJP.

    Note: I'm talking about the EJP/Academy as one.
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    It's was criticism because the discussion was about rego cost and you stated ours is higher than yours

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_butcher View Post
    How many years has it been running for? 7 years or so? Is 7 years long enough to make a judgement?

    Has it produced any quality players? I'm not talking about those that are good at NPL level because we have produced hundreds of those for decades without the EJP.

    Note: I'm talking about the EJP/Academy as one.
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    Nothing to do with producing players. It is a revenue stream first and foremost

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    Quote Originally Posted by 380 View Post
    Nothing to do with producing players. It is a revenue stream first and foremost
    Exactly this anyone that thinks otherwise is a clown

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    I think everyone above is being very harsh. Even academies at some of the best clubs in the world struggle to produce players with the ability to get into their first team.

    The A league is at a lower level than foreign leagues admittedly but I think the academy has produced more graduates into the first team than expected.

    The biggest question that needs to be answered first of all is how is success measured? In discussions with others personally, it seems that there is unrealistic expectations on how often high level players should be produced.

    Add to the above that the youth development programs have changed several times in the last 5-10 years.

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    Jets youth should play in the Sydney NPL comp in their own age group. From what I have seen, playing up an age in the local comp does them no favours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter403 View Post
    Jets youth should play in the Sydney NPL comp in their own age group. From what I have seen, playing up an age in the local comp does them no favours.

    If it started 7 years ago, then the oldest to go right through the system would only be 15 assuming they had U9's that year, how many of them are still in the system. How many that have passed through in those 7 years have made it to professional football. I'm not sure how many if any have but I know the number would be no where near the amount from this area that made it to professionalism prior to putting all the most talented kids together in the same team and nothing else.

    Dumbest move I have ever seen and Newcastle Football will pay for it for many years to come. Way to many former Jets youth players either not playing or just kicking around with mates in the lower leagues. There drive has always been to create an outstanding individual and the funny thing that outstanding kid more than likely would have been whether he was training on synthetic 5 times a week or kicking a ball around in his backyard at home and playing club football on the weekends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dontknowmuch View Post
    I'm not sure how many if any have but I know the number would be no where near the amount from this area that made it to professionalism prior to putting all the most talented kids together in the same team and nothing else.

    There drive has always been to create an outstanding individual and the funny thing that outstanding kid more than likely would have been whether he was training on synthetic 5 times a week or kicking a ball around in his backyard at home and playing club football on the weekends.
    Why is this. Why do players make it in spite of these nnsw systems?

    Do we have the talent but not chosen because they arent in the Sydney or Melbourne system

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    Quote Originally Posted by Negative Police View Post
    Why is this. Why do players make it in spite of these nnsw systems?

    Do we have the talent but not chosen because they arent in the Sydney or Melbourne system
    we have the talent, the problem is that some parents cant afford the fees, some can.
    EJ teams should be chosen on outright ability not who's parents can pay the fee's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jardelsimage View Post
    we have the talent, the problem is that some parents cant afford the fees, some can.
    EJ teams should be chosen on outright ability not who's parents can pay the fee's.
    Exactly one of the biggest reasons why we aren't developing a lot of A-league and above talent. Soccer is fast becoming a rich man's sport in this country. Other countries top teams don't charge anything to their young players, sign them on a contract, sell them and pay for your academy that way. Ajax sends a bus around to collect players bring them to training and drops them back off again so not even the parents have to worry about being able to get them to training

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter403 View Post
    Jets youth should play in the Sydney NPL comp in their own age group. From what I have seen, playing up an age in the local comp does them no favours.
    I think this also. Put them in the front line for State comparison. If they cant make it from here they never will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter403 View Post
    Jets youth should play in the Sydney NPL comp in their own age group. From what I have seen, playing up an age in the local comp does them no favours.
    Funny you say that from next year they will be. Which means the expected team to be the U12 next year have all lost their spots.

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    Maybe the system isn't good enough??

    Watch the Jets Yoof teams they play the same BS system every year regardless

    The way they play works really well when they get on top and win the game but put them in a situation where they have to BATTLE and they don't know how to do it.
    This to me is the EJ program failing
    They need to be taught to fight more than they are

    Bread n Butter result in world football is a 1-0 win
    I would guess the Jets Yoof team have had less than 10 of these in 7 years

    That to me is the problem. Coaches are happy if they play structure and do what is wanted as opposed to the only important KPI the scoreboard

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    Why can't the Jet Youth team play in the NPL finals?

    It seems like that would have a huge impact on motivation for players? Almost like at the most important age for taking the next step in their development that they are playing in a non competitive environment?

    TBF - why bother playing in the NPL at all?
    Revamp the NYL set up to be played as a curtain raiser to the A league games. A full season playing against the other best youth in the country?

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    An ongoing issue I have been told about (no first hand experience) is that in playing in an age group higher, the Jets youth program lean toward selecting larger boys based on physical characteristics over boys who are at a higher level of technical competence.

    Does this have any truth to it?

    If so, it seems a short term gain at the expense of developing players with a higher level of potential.

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    Member gonna pick the next world cup squad by getting coach to cruise the neighbourhoods and see who is evading the Hills Hoist at an acceptable level.

    Sounds rational.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plague View Post
    Member gonna pick the next world cup squad by getting coach to cruise the neighbourhoods and see who is evading the Hills Hoist at an acceptable level.

    Sounds rational.
    Youtoob clips can do the rest

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    What we really need is to strip a couple of generations of the population of all money and standard of living, remove all employment prospects, drop them a soccer ball per family and have the local soup kitchen showing replays of the Jets' GF victory on repeat.

    Too easy. Next problem?

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    So first players don't need academies....... now they do need academies but its about budget?

    Isn't that basically what Plague said and you disagreed?

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    https://www.newcastlejets.com.au/new...ts-high-school

    This is interesting, particularly the bit about encouraging kids in the program to attend the school. I wonder what happens if the kids parents refuse???

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