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    Quote Originally Posted by plague View Post
    where are these places?

    also, everything costs money. these kids gonna just wake up one day with the skills of Griff?

    Facilities cost money, equipment costs money, coaching costs money, sports science costs money, travel costs money.
    all of it costs money.
    Too true, just look at New Lambton Juniors this year, they have to train some teams on the hockey fields as they don't have enough fields to cater for the number of players they have.
    There simply isn't enough money in Australian football to support junior development as it is don in other codes.

    We aren't other countries, we're our own and we have to deal with our own problems. Whilst our systems are far from perfect, too many armchair critics make a much bigger deal about how bad it is than is truly the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plague View Post
    where are these places?

    also, everything costs money. these kids gonna just wake up one day with the skills of Griff?

    Facilities cost money, equipment costs money, coaching costs money, sports science costs money, travel costs money.
    all of it costs money.
    Costs? ?

    Going outside and kicking a ball about is free you know??

    For all the money spent on academies and specialised coaching in Oz what does it provide for us??

    Sweet **** all

    Nations with a fraction of our spending are producing superior talents as money isn't required


    What you harped on about money facilities sports science training equipment etc shows exactly where this sport is ****ed in this country

    It all about money and people wanting to squeeze money from the game for self benefit at all costs
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    Double-eff-aye should introduce a 3rd division and dump these ice addict welfare living scumbags straight there. dont even let them get their stink anywhere near 2nd division.

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    Member gonna pick the next world cup squad by getting coach to cruise the neighbourhoods and see who is evading the Hills Hoist at an acceptable level.

    Sounds rational.

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    What we really need is to strip a couple of generations of the population of all money and standard of living, remove all employment prospects, drop them a soccer ball per family and have the local soup kitchen showing replays of the Jets' GF victory on repeat.

    Too easy. Next problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    Costs? ?

    Going outside and kicking a ball about is free you know??

    For all the money spent on academies and specialised coaching in Oz what does it provide for us??

    Sweet **** all

    Nations with a fraction of our spending are producing superior talents as money isn't required


    What you harped on about money facilities sports science training equipment etc shows exactly where this sport is ****ed in this country

    It all about money and people wanting to squeeze money from the game for self benefit at all costs
    Nations with a fraction of our costs, bureaucracy, etc, etc as well.

    Also how many of these players you speak of have gone from playing on the street to playing professionally without also being picked up by an academy, etc?

    Lets look at a couple of great players from the current or past......

    Modric - Started at a sporting academy at 7 YO

    Kaka - S„o Paulo Academy at 8 YO

    Neymar - Santos Academy at 11 YO

    Aguero - Independiente Academy 9 YO

    Suarez - Urreta FC academy at 7 YO

    Iniesta - Barcelona youth academy at 12 YO

    Zidane - Cannes at 14 YO

    These players almost universally have their abilities identified at a young age and are provided training at a high standard. Yes practicing at home or the park constantly will help but at some stage they need something more than that.

    How many other players came through those same academies at the same stage and did not become professional footballers? I would say the vast majority and these countries have more kids playing football than we do in Oz.

    I think it's absolutely ridiculous to think our academies should be capable of churning out national or world class players regularly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aegon View Post
    Nations with a fraction of our costs, bureaucracy, etc, etc as well.

    Also how many of these players you speak of have gone from playing on the street to playing professionally without also being picked up by an academy, etc?

    Lets look at a couple of great players from the current or past......

    Modric - Started at a sporting academy at 7 YO

    Kaka - S„o Paulo Academy at 8 YO

    Neymar - Santos Academy at 11 YO

    Aguero - Independiente Academy 9 YO

    Suarez - Urreta FC academy at 7 YO

    Iniesta - Barcelona youth academy at 12 YO

    Zidane - Cannes at 14 YO

    These players almost universally have their abilities identified at a young age and are provided training at a high standard. Yes practicing at home or the park constantly will help but at some stage they need something more than that.

    How many other players came through those same academies at the same stage and did not become professional footballers? I would say the vast majority and these countries have more kids playing football than we do in Oz.

    I think it's absolutely ridiculous to think our academies should be capable of churning out national or world class players regularly.
    Nearly all them academies you mentioned are run on the smell of an.oily rag money wise and have piss poor facilities compared to the likes the EJ have out at Speeds Point

    As for your last point Croatia has a population of approx 4 million
    They ain't wealthy by any stretch of the imagination
    They regularly produce world class footballers and just played in the WC Final last year

    To claim that we can't be producing world class talent regularly when they can with less resources than we have is the most ridiculous thing that you have written


    We in.reality are just poor at what we do
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    Double-eff-aye should introduce a 3rd division and dump these ice addict welfare living scumbags straight there. dont even let them get their stink anywhere near 2nd division.

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    So first players don't need academies....... now they do need academies but its about budget?

    Isn't that basically what Plague said and you disagreed?

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    Member gonna pick the next world cup squad by getting coach to cruise the neighbourhoods and see who is evading the Hills Hoist at an acceptable level.

    Sounds rational.
    Youtoob clips can do the rest

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    https://www.newcastlejets.com.au/new...ts-high-school

    This is interesting, particularly the bit about encouraging kids in the program to attend the school. I wonder what happens if the kids parents refuse???

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    oh ffs

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    Nope.
    Fark that.

    I wouldn’t hedge my kids education on somebody I’m paying thousands of dollars telling me my kid is gonna be the next best thing.
    Keep education and sport separate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung View Post
    Nope.
    Fark that.

    I wouldn’t hedge my kids education on somebody I’m paying thousands of dollars telling me my kid is gonna be the next best thing.
    Keep education and sport separate.
    Agree, 100%. Itís an outrageous statement to ďencourageĒ kids in their program to attend a school with results nowhere near those of other public schools in the area. Premier League clubs will place kids in certain schools, but these schools are usually private and offer an excellent education away from football. Are the Jets going to guaranteed these kids a career away from football if they donít make the grade? Putting all eggs in one basket for a 13 year old kid is quite the ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by londonboy View Post
    Agree, 100%. It’s an outrageous statement to “encourage” kids in their program to attend a school with results nowhere near those of other public schools in the area. Premier League clubs will place kids in certain schools, but these schools are usually private and offer an excellent education away from football. Are the Jets going to guaranteed these kids a career away from football if they don’t make the grade? Putting all eggs in one basket for a 13 year old kid is quite the ask.
    parents deciding between 'maybe' hitting a decent ATAR and the bright lights of sporting stardom, you can see how they can get sidetracked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by londonboy View Post
    Agree, 100%. It’s an outrageous statement to “encourage” kids in their program to attend a school with results nowhere near those of other public schools in the area. Premier League clubs will place kids in certain schools, but these schools are usually private and offer an excellent education away from football. Are the Jets going to guaranteed these kids a career away from football if they don’t make the grade? Putting all eggs in one basket for a 13 year old kid is quite the ask.
    Of the many thousands of students I taught at University I could count on one hand the successful ones that went to private schools.

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    Is Hunter sports then a private school if your paying into the jets program and that’s your entry?
    Do you consider catholic schools private?
    Are selective schools private?

    I don’t like the idea of sport and education being mixed and somewhat enforced at such a young age.

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    What happens when you lose your place in the squad after a year or two at the school? Can you stay, or have to change back to the school in your catchment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter403 View Post
    Jets youth should play in the Sydney NPL comp in their own age group. From what I have seen, playing up an age in the local comp does them no favours.
    Funny you say that from next year they will be. Which means the expected team to be the U12 next year have all lost their spots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by londonboy View Post
    https://www.newcastlejets.com.au/new...ts-high-school

    This is interesting, particularly the bit about encouraging kids in the program to attend the school. I wonder what happens if the kids parents refuse???
    Surely they won't be kicked out and if they do well most parents are going to know their kid is going to be better off in their life going to any other school and playing NPL than they will going to a school with Windale kids in the EJ program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung View Post
    Is Hunter sports then a private school if your paying into the jets program and thatís your entry?
    Do you consider catholic schools private?
    Are selective schools private?

    I donít like the idea of sport and education being mixed and somewhat enforced at such a young age.
    It might be a decent school if it was a selective school but it isn't just selective, kids in the catchment area get to attend regardless.

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    Not really a surprise that Hunter Sports is the school. The TD works there along with every other teacher who also coaches an EJ team.

    Also understand the reason for the move is to reduce costs to the Newcastle Jets, isn't going to cost them $20k/year like it would if they stayed at Speers Point

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