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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dunster View Post
    The Marquee players and salary cap exemptions thing needs to be given the boot as well. Like socialism it's proposed to help the little guy when the facts are that it increases the gap between the haves and the have nots - because the haves are always able to innovate around the rules by capturing the regulator.

    The minimum wage only keeps the playing field level if their are no exceptions to the salary cap. With exceptions like Marquees and so on the result will always be a class of overpaid and underperforming players - which doesn't help the national sides progress on the world stage.
    exactly. whichever assholes at the FFA thought it would be a good strategy to tell rich people how to spend their money should have been fired into the sun no less than 3 seconds after suggesting it.

    mark the lines on the field, set the nets up and then get the **** out of the owners way.
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    That result is down to nothing other than the Chinese Lightsalesman and the Gypo CEO

    The manager set the tools at his disposal up well they dominated the game they created chances etc and done everything necessary to win a game

    Can polish a turf but it still a piece of shit etc

    The fact that we don't have a striker
    The fact we are playing blokes like Hoff and Fitzuseless in the front 3 is the issue at heart here

    Yesterday we were cost 3 points by the lack of backing in the front office

    Other than Blue Aids this comp is wide open as the rest of the club's are shite and it the lack of ambition from the club that is costing us an ACL spot this season

    We are going nowhere and it starts at the top
    I think our front 4 have been solid all year - I genuinely don't get the criticism of particularly Hoff & Fitz. We are playing attractive football, making space, getting behind the line & we've created more chances than we have the whole of last year already - they are a part of that. Our finishing has been poor, shock horror.... we're not the only A League side to say that. You add Hoolahan & if Arroyo gets a sustained run & I think we're sitting comfortably in the 6, potentially top 4.

    We have a underdog squad made up of the unwanted & we're still there or thereabouts despite some crucial injury losses.

    Either peoples expectations are out of whack or people have an axe to grind with particular players.

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    I have extremely low expectations of the Jets... but I would rather we went and potentially found a new star from the untested and didn't recycle the players that are unwanted by other clubs for a reason.

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    It is worrying that SFC are already so far ahead of everyone else.

    It's what Fox wants (Bozza and his brethren want the cap gone completetly) but even the Big Blue loses its lustre when MV appear no contender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetkel View Post
    I think our front 4 have been solid all year - I genuinely don't get the criticism of particularly Hoff & Fitz. We are playing attractive football, making space, getting behind the line & we've created more chances than we have the whole of last year already - they are a part of that. Our finishing has been poor, shock horror.... we're not the only A League side to say that. You add Hoolahan & if Arroyo gets a sustained run & I think we're sitting comfortably in the 6, potentially top 4.

    We have a underdog squad made up of the unwanted & we're still there or thereabouts despite some crucial injury losses.

    Either peoples expectations are out of whack or people have an axe to grind with particular players.
    So you think Hoff and Fitzuseless for all their effort and work rate are good enough to bag 15 goals a season between them ??

    If the answer is no we need to actually be recruiting players in the front part of the pitch who can


    You can make all the excuses you want about our finishing being poor. But this isn't a blip and the ****s are out of form. They don't score goals at the best of times

    Ugarkovic 3 goals in 100 games
    Kanta is probably going at a similar ratio of games to goals
    The backline don't score regularly besides the Gypo fullback

    If you relying on a bloke with 1 goal in 5 games and no real proven track record of a great goal scoring ratio in Arroyo and a 37 year old has been who ain't played a HAL game yet then you been smoking some good grass if you think this combo is gonna bring success

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetmaster View Post
    It is worrying that SFC are already so far ahead of everyone else.

    It's what Fox wants (Bozza and his brethren want the cap gone completetly) but even the Big Blue loses its lustre when MV appear no contender.
    The clown was whining yesterday about it being a joke that HAL games are played in the heat and not later in the day.
    Didn't say anything about his employers culpability in it

    Then he was going on about Ange Postecoglou ring great enough to manage a European club yet obviously forgets when he was the one leading the charge to lynch him for treason during WCQ as he wanted to play 3 at the back

    How can you take him seriously??

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    The clown was whining yesterday about it being a joke that HAL games are played in the heat and not later in the day.
    Didn't say anything about his employers culpability in it

    Then he was going on about Ange Postecoglou ring great enough to manage a European club yet obviously forgets when he was the one leading the charge to lynch him for treason during WCQ as he wanted to play 3 at the back

    How can you take him seriously??
    Ange wasnt lynched, He got fair stick for his new tactics which wernt working and almost cost us qualification to the WC and got the shits after asking for more tactics discussion in the media
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    Quote Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET View Post
    Ange wasnt lynched, He got fair stick for his new tactics which wernt working and almost cost us qualification to the WC and got the shits after asking for more tactics discussion in the media
    We qualified for a World Cup with a shit group of players and a 40 year old retiree

    They worked didn't they??

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    Quote Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET View Post
    Ange wasnt lynched,
    You trippin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    We qualified for a World Cup with a shit group of players and a 40 year old retiree

    They worked didn't they??
    We're pretty much saved by a post. If that free kick which Ryan was no where near goes in we dont qualify

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    Quote Originally Posted by plague View Post
    You trippin.
    Not this time my friend

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimario View Post
    I have extremely low expectations of the Jets... but I would rather we went and potentially found a new star from the untested and didn't recycle the players that are unwanted by other clubs for a reason.
    Hallelujah to that, We could call it the Fitzgerald rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET View Post
    Not this time my friend
    so Ange was a good* coach at every level he coached at except the level where he couldnt find players to fit his system because the players werent good enough yet we did nothing about it when he warned us 13 years ago and here we are all that time later and our national mens teams at all levels are far worse than they should be instead of listening to the one bloke who could help us fix it we listened to media members who's sole purpose was to get their re-tread failed coach back in for another stint.

    yeah i can see how Ange was the problem here.
    i mean why should we look 20-50-100 years ahead when we can paper over everything and think in 4 year cycles in order to pay the bills.

    yes of course Slater, Foster etc are correct here.

    Griff save us.



    *i said good but anyone thinking hes not the best Australian coach whos ever lived is a moron. and hey, why should we keep the best coach we've ever had right? what a silly thought.
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    What a deadset ****ing coward **** you are
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimario View Post
    I have extremely low expectations of the Jets... but I would rather we went and potentially found a new star from the untested and didn't recycle the players that are unwanted by other clubs for a reason.
    I understand that & tbh I agree.

    But I think you (& others) are also assuming players only move clubs when they're not wanted. Sure it's a factor in some moves, but a lot of these lower/mid-tier (say $100k - $200k) Aussie players choose to move clubs purely to have the ability to support their family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    So you think Hoff and Fitzuseless for all their effort and work rate are good enough to bag 15 goals a season between them ??

    If the answer is no we need to actually be recruiting players in the front part of the pitch who can


    You can make all the excuses you want about our finishing being poor. But this isn't a blip and the ****s are out of form. They don't score goals at the best of times

    Ugarkovic 3 goals in 100 games
    Kanta is probably going at a similar ratio of games to goals
    The backline don't score regularly besides the Gypo fullback

    If you relying on a bloke with 1 goal in 5 games and no real proven track record of a great goal scoring ratio in Arroyo and a 37 year old has been who ain't played a HAL game yet then you been smoking some good grass if you think this combo is gonna bring success
    Where has this 15 goals a season come from? How many sets of wingers in this league score 15 goals between them? & where have I said we shouldn't recruit? I just think you're not being realistic about the type of wingers/players we can attract whether that's budget or for other reasons, or you're not being realistic with expectations for players when we do sign them or coming into a new season.

    I'm smoking grass because I think an upper championship quality midfielder & international striker would improve our position by a huge 2 or 3 spots or a massive 4 or 5 points or chip in 2 or 3 more goals thus far this season? Ok.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by plague View Post
    so Ange was a good* coach at every level he coached at except the level where he couldnt find players to fit his system because the players werent good enough yet we did nothing about it when he warned us 13 years ago and here we are all that time later and our national mens teams at all levels are far worse than they should be instead of listening to the one bloke who could help us fix it we listened to media members who's sole purpose was to get their re-tread failed coach back in for another stint.

    yeah i can see how Ange was the problem here.
    i mean why should we look 20-50-100 years ahead when we can paper over everything and think in 4 year cycles in order to pay the bills.

    yes of course Slater, Foster etc are correct here.

    Griff save us.



    *i said good but anyone thinking hes not the best Australian coach whos ever lived is a moron. and hey, why should we keep the best coach we've ever had right? what a silly thought.
    Ange is a fantastic coach but didn't have the players for his 3 at the back system with wingers so shouldve stuck to the 4 3 3 which won the Asian cup

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    Quote Originally Posted by plague View Post
    yes of course Slater, Foster etc are correct here.
    Leave Foz out of this. He supported Ange (this decade, not last).

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    Quote Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET View Post
    Ange is a fantastic coach but didn't have the players for his 3 at the back system with wingers so shouldve stuck to the 4 3 3 which won the Asian cup
    3,4,5 or 6 at the back didnt make a lick of difference to the style and philosophy that Ange wanted to play and they players were incapable of playing.
    the players werent good enough.
    he wanted to blow up the system 10 years prior and no one listened. we let him walk and yet still no one listened.
    it was easier to blame him for short term pain.
    because thats how he was treated.
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    And I don't argue with FR. The bloke is a legend and deserves great praise for his contributions to football in the Hunter.
    He is also the second best poster on the entire Foz behind you
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    What a deadset ****ing coward **** you are
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    Quote Originally Posted by Couscous View Post
    Leave Foz out of this. He supported Ange (this decade, not last).

    oh he supported him, as soon as he won and was proven right about his style and system.

    when it was a philosophical argument Foster only cared about results (the car crash interview was about Ange failing to qualify for a major tournament). Ange was ultimately proved right.
    Fosters embarrassing backdown and subsequent bootlicking tour said all you need to know about that bloke.


    Foster is a glory hunting opportunist intent on saying whatever needs to be said in order to get the cameras to look at him.
    if you fall for his bullshit then enjoy your next reality tv star Prime Minister. cause thats where it all ends up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    And I don't argue with FR. The bloke is a legend and deserves great praise for his contributions to football in the Hunter.
    He is also the second best poster on the entire Foz behind you
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    sometimes there's more to life than just winning
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    What a deadset ****ing coward **** you are
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    Seems like I am WRONG

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    Quote Originally Posted by plague View Post
    3,4,5 or 6 at the back didnt make a lick of difference to the style and philosophy that Ange wanted to play and they players were incapable of playing.
    the players werent good enough.
    he wanted to blow up the system 10 years prior and no one listened. we let him walk and yet still no one listened.
    it was easier to blame him for short term pain.
    because thats how he was treated.
    Those players could play his system in a 4 3 3 and we won the Asian cup but we didn't have wingbacks or good ball playing CBS for a 3 at the back

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