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    Quote Originally Posted by Dontknowmuch View Post
    And warm up where?
    I think this years KO times have solved that problem. A gap of 30mins between ressies and 1st grade means that teams can start their warm-up in the area east of the pitch, and move onto the field proper when ressies finishes.

    The space to the east of the field is more than big enough for the classic FIFA 11+ warm-up.

    In any case, this hasn't appeared to have be an issue in NewFM for the last 5 years....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung View Post
    Not doing the club you support many favours with these comments, imo.



    Understandably you feel threatened and attacked by the comments on here, but it’s part of the territory.
    South Cardiff copped it for their facilities over their years in the top flight too. The years Lakes and Azzurri were dumped, and ever since, there’s been a focus on “criteria” and how some clubs meet the criteria but others do not.
    The allocation of licenses was promised to be for current set up, not promises or plans for the future and I think clubs with NPL aspirations have a right to challenge why their clubs are being overlooked.

    If you have constructive rebuttals as to why Valentine meet criteria, I’m sure everyone would happily listen.
    For instance, their junior base was always one of the strongest in Macquarie district and the merger originally was seen as a great thing for the up and coming youth. Is there many Valentine juniors in the NPL set up?

    I think their biggest issue and easiest to criticise is their facilities. Cahill oval had potential to be a good venue if they sorted the cricket pitch out. But that was a hazard. I remember playing there after a bit of rain the night before and the pitch was a ice skating rink, not suitable.
    The redevelopments promise to offer a much better venue, but the questions remain how the current CB complex meets NPL criteria.
    Many clubs with similar or on par set ups, eg south Cardiff, cooks hill, new lambton, Toronto etc are probably curious why they didn’t get a license too.
    When results, or lack thereof, are added to the equation, more questions begin to be asked. The same questions being asked of Adamstown and Lake Macquarie.

    For the most part, I don’t think the criticism is aimed at the clubs (maybe their lack of a plan B), but more towards the lack of transparency from NNSWF regarding criteria and NPL.
    While they continue to use an application system and behind closed doors judgement on which clubs meet criteria and withhold this information, it leads to speculation and questions. I understand clubs are given “feedback” regarding their own applications but obviously are not privy to their competitors feedback, which leads to “How are xxxx in NPL when we aren’t”

    Please tell me how you put Toronto ground in same bracket as Southy, cookers, valo and NL ? Shits on all of them

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    Just start a second division and even a third division today and worry about clubs meeting criteria over the next few seasons. Making a club go to all the expense of getting their ground up to spec and then denying them a license is what got us to this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BS detecor View Post
    Just start a second division and even a third division today and worry about clubs meeting criteria over the next few seasons. Making a club go to all the expense of getting their ground up to spec and then denying them a license is what got us to this point.
    Couldn’t agree more.
    This criteria crap is more detrimental to the game in our region than allowing teams to play in a competition they deserve to be in through results.

    At the end of the day if the Suns or the terrace or the like got a group of players together that stuck it out and promoted ZPL-NL1-NPL that would be amazing. They might end up dropping back down eventually but who cares? It’d be a great story and fun to watch it happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GO AWAY View Post
    Please tell me how you put Toronto ground in same bracket as Southy, cookers, valo and NL ? Shits on all of them
    Could not agree more!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GO AWAY View Post
    Please tell me how you put Toronto ground in same bracket as Southy, cookers, valo and NL ? Shits on all of them
    Same bracket because they don’t have an NPL license?
    Just naming clubs that would be able to meet the facilities component, which I mentioned Toronto....
    Not sure what the problem is?

    Not getting into a dickwaving contest about facilities. Didn’t mention other clubs either

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aegon View Post
    Couldn’t agree more.
    This criteria crap is more detrimental to the game in our region than allowing teams to play in a competition they deserve to be in through results.

    At the end of the day if the Suns or the terrace or the like got a group of players together that stuck it out and promoted ZPL-NL1-NPL that would be amazing. They might end up dropping back down eventually but who cares? It’d be a great story and fun to watch it happen.
    You can extend that to clubs in NPL and NL1 being able to run SAP. Plenty of community clubs would love to hang onto and develop their kids, but can't due to it being exclusive to the "premier clubs".

    Its the same thing with facilities and NPL. the way the criteria and focus is on the facilities, it locks everyone else out of the NPL. Hardly an open system.

    Scrap the Zone League, open up NL1 to include as many levels as want to enter, throw in promotion relegation with NPL. Consistent junior development through and clubs will find their appropriate level and those with ambition have the chance to climb. Those clubs with ambition will be working on their facilities and shouldn't be held back because of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sammydog View Post
    Those clubs with ambition will be working on their facilities and shouldn't be held back because of it.
    Or clubs that are on grounds that are allowed to improve, not all clubs will be allowed to do what Olympic did and rip up their cricket field, if the council says no cricket get to use all these grounds 6 months of the year doesn't matter about ambition they will never be able to meet criteria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueboy View Post
    Broadmeadow 1-2 Jaffa’s
    Edgeworth 3-0 Adamstown
    Lakes 1-3 Charlestown
    Valentine 1-1 Olympic

    Edgeworth
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    Magic 1-1 Jaffas
    Edgeworth 2-1 Rosebuds
    Lakes 0-2 Azzurri
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    Edgeworth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goatscheese View Post
    Or clubs that are on grounds that are allowed to improve, not all clubs will be allowed to do what Olympic did and rip up their cricket field, if the council says no cricket get to use all these grounds 6 months of the year doesn't matter about ambition they will never be able to meet criteria.
    The Jets seniors don’t have a ground that meets FNSW criteria so they play all their games away. There is always ways around it if a team wants to play in the premier league

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goatscheese View Post
    Or clubs that are on grounds that are allowed to improve, not all clubs will be allowed to do what Olympic did and rip up their cricket field, if the council says no cricket get to use all these grounds 6 months of the year doesn't matter about ambition they will never be able to meet criteria.
    Exactly, so the ground criteria doesn't help other clubs develop or result in the best clubs in the NPL, it just maintains the status quo.

    Its the same with the SAP system. Those in the right place at the right time get to be in on the party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BS detecor View Post
    The Jets seniors don’t have a ground that meets FNSW criteria so they play all their games away. There is always ways around it if a team wants to play in the premier league
    We are talking about Northern here now FNSW

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aegon View Post
    Couldn’t agree more.
    This criteria crap is more detrimental to the game in our region than allowing teams to play in a competition they deserve to be in through results.

    At the end of the day if the Suns or the terrace or the like got a group of players together that stuck it out and promoted ZPL-NL1-NPL that would be amazing. They might end up dropping back down eventually but who cares? It’d be a great story and fun to watch it happen.
    Totally agree. In the juniors if a club wants to have SAP jnrs etc well it’s up to them but if their first grade stinks just cause they have the junior set up shouldn’t save them from relegation. If a club can get up from ZPL all the way to NPL even if it last 1 year then they get relegated. Has it made the NPL comp any worse. The answer is no cause you get the genuine 10 best teams.
    We might also find that NL1 might become a better comp cause all teams start the season with the chance of promotion no matter their juniors or ground. NPL needs to get back to the 10 best first grade teams. It’s how it works around the world and why we love the game

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Hacker View Post
    Totally agree. In the juniors if a club wants to have SAP jnrs etc well it’s up to them but if their first grade stinks just cause they have the junior set up shouldn’t save them from relegation. If a club can get up from ZPL all the way to NPL even if it last 1 year then they get relegated. Has it made the NPL comp any worse. The answer is no cause you get the genuine 10 best teams.
    We might also find that NL1 might become a better comp cause all teams start the season with the chance of promotion no matter their juniors or ground. NPL needs to get back to the 10 best first grade teams. It’s how it works around the world and why we love the game
    I agree Hacker, should be about results, not numbers, grounds should be of a basic standard though at the same time, dont want a team playing out of say Nesbitt Park.(only example, dont yell at me).

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    Quote Originally Posted by BS detecor View Post
    The Jets seniors don’t have a ground that meets FNSW criteria so they play all their games away. There is always ways around it if a team wants to play in the premier league
    Actually that’s not true. Precovid the plan was that they played out of the Glendale athletics field, and/or LMRFF. Due to COVID restrictions at the time, the decision was to play all their games in Sydney.
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    With this weekend's matches being the final round of the regular season.

    Who are your player of the season contenders?

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    Rene Ferguson should win comfortably

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    Quote Originally Posted by sammydog View Post
    You can extend that to clubs in NPL and NL1 being able to run SAP. Plenty of community clubs would love to hang onto and develop their kids, but can't due to it being exclusive to the "premier clubs".

    Its the same thing with facilities and NPL. the way the criteria and focus is on the facilities, it locks everyone else out of the NPL. Hardly an open system.

    Scrap the Zone League, open up NL1 to include as many levels as want to enter, throw in promotion relegation with NPL. Consistent junior development through and clubs will find their appropriate level and those with ambition have the chance to climb. Those clubs with ambition will be working on their facilities and shouldn't be held back because of it.
    So you're suggesting have NPL, NPL1 and make ZPL NPL2 so there can be promotion relegation? Also allows NPL2 clubs to have SAP jnrs

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverRed View Post
    Rene Ferguson should win comfortably
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    Quote Originally Posted by GO AWAY View Post
    Please tell me how you put Toronto ground in same bracket as Southy, cookers, valo and NL ? Shits on all of them
    Ground is good, hopefully they can field teams in all competitions next season.

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