2023 Premier Youth League

[sapdad]

15 and 16 headings backwards after success in younger ages.

Think you'll find Magic 15s were pretty dominant first 2 years,this year several players have been pushed up to 16s to help their development.It has certainly weakened both teams in terms of results,but is much better for the individual players.I cant speak on 13s and 14s.Magic 16s still made the cup final where they lost to a quality Olympic team.There are 4 really strong teams in 16s this year which is great for the comp but im not convinced its because Magic have gone backwards.

[JustMe]

Think you'll find Magic 15s were pretty dominant first 2 years, this year several players have been pushed up to 16s to help their development. It has certainly weakened both teams in terms of results, but is much better for the individual players. I cant speak on 13s and 14s.Magic 16s still made the cup final where they lost to a quality Olympic team. There are 4 really strong teams in 16s this year which is great for the comp but im not convinced its because Magic have gone backwards.

Disagree. Magic have gone backwards. The culture is a big part of that. You can ask around. Playing kids up isnt that big a deal. Happens at all clubs. Not saying that only this club has these issues either.

But agree that other clubs have become stronger. So many reasons from recruitment to coaches moving etc. Creates a better comp for everyone

Its one big constant revolving football bubble. Everyone looking to get their child into best place for their own success. 99.9% end up playing local league anyway.

[JustMe]

Jaffas are one of the most ruthless clubs when it comes to this stuff.They are also one of the most successful because they recruit hard and results are expected (I dont have a problem with any of it).Maybe ask your kid if he wants to play 80mins every game at a weaker team or get limited opportunities at a top team.If hes only playing 90 seconds in a final hes probably already been replaced for next year anyway.Just to note,Jaffas won the game so the coach seems like a genius I guess.

You obviously didnt see Magic and Olympic over the last 15 years. Jaffas have only started to match their recruitment you idiot.

[prawnhead]

Disagree. Magic have gone backwards. The culture is a big part of that. You can ask around. Playing kids up isnt that big a deal. Happens at all clubs. Not saying that only this club has these issues either.

But agree that other clubs have become stronger. So many reasons from recruitment to coaches moving etc. Creates a better comp for everyone

Its one big constant revolving football bubble. Everyone looking to get their child into best place for their own success. 99.9% end up playing local league anyway.

Agree Justme - and only a very small % of that 99.9 progress through to even 1st grade NPL level.

[The Magician]

Magic had 17 players playing up ineligible to play in their age group for finals football this season...

But to ensure we can win a 220x300mm piece of MDF with brass foil on the front next season, we will make sure all players are eligible.

We very happy with our development pathway. How many of your first graders have come through your youth system, it should be considered when you judge a club on their youth development rather than fake timber plaques. And Magic only finished 1 point behind the million dollar team.

Or are you happy for little johnnys rego to pay Topors $2k a week so you can high 5 him when he is on his way to take a piss before first grade head into the sheds.

[Hunter403]

All PYL teams should have to publish their fee structure. I wonder how many parents will vote with their wallet?

[sapdad]

You obviously didnt see Magic and Olympic over the last 15 years. Jaffas have only started to match their recruitment you idiot.

Agreeing with my point then thinking Im an idiot for saying it isnt quite the burn you think it is.

[Taffy]

Tactical master class from Jaffas 13s Coach.👏

Putting your right back for those 90 seconds in the first half is great development and fosters a life long love of the game. Bravo

#dEvELopMEnt

I'd wager finals are a different story, though.

[Taffy]

18 age not good enough to move into seniors.

Quite a few of their 18s are actually 16s, but a few have been told by Jim they will be in the reserves team next year.

[Taffy]

But to ensure we can win a 220x300mm piece of MDF with brass foil on the front next season, we will make sure all players are eligible.

Haha, good to see when clubs don't think this is the be all and end all.

How many of your first graders have come through your youth system

The bigger question is how many of Magic's first graders came through their youth system? That's the bigger judge of good development.

Or are you happy for little johnnys rego to pay Topors $2k a week so you can high 5 him when he is on his way to take a piss before first grade head into the sheds.

Let's not pretend that Magic rego fees don't contribute to player payments.

[JustMe]

Magic had 17 players playing up ineligible to play in their age group for finals football this season...

But to ensure we can win a 220x300mm piece of MDF with brass foil on the front next season, we will make sure all players are eligible.

We very happy with our development pathway. How many of your first graders have come through your youth system, it should be considered when you judge a club on their youth development rather than fake timber plaques. And Magic only finished 1 point behind the million dollar team.

Or are you happy for little johnnys rego to pay Topors $2k a week so you can high 5 him when he is on his way to take a piss before first grade head into the sheds.

Always the same salty excuse from you. Cant win so the others paid more or the trophy is plastic. Remember you also needed tissues over the Hartley v Gomez academy $$
Immature muppets like you continue to give your club a bad name.

Btw jaffas get a decent sponsorship to pay firsts as well. Most clubs put youth fees into seniors at some point. some more than others. The system was never perfect.

Anyway im glad your crying. Makes the rest of Newcastle happy.

[Hunter403]

Premier Youth League Grand Finals
Group A Sunday Adamstown Oval
13 - 8.30
Edgy vs Jaffas
14 - 10.30
Jaffas vs Weston
15 - 12.30
Maitland vs North Coast
16 - 4.30
Olympic vs Edgy
18 - 2.30
Maitland vs North Coast

Group B Saturday Blacksmiths Oval
13 - 8.30
Lakes vs Adamstown
14 - 10.30
Azzurri vs Lakes
15 - 12.30
Mid Coast vs New Lambton
16 - 2.30
New Lambton vs South Cardiff
18 - 4.30
New Lambton vs Adamstown

Group C Saturday Rockwell Automation Park Weston
13 - 10.30
NIAS vs Westy
14 - 12.30
NIAS vs Westy
15 - 2.30
Thornton vs NIAS
16 - 8.30
Thornton vs Kahibah
18 - 4.30
Kahibah vs Westy

Note the changes of time for some games to accommodate North Coast and NIAS

[The Magician]

The bigger question is how many of Magic's first graders came through their youth system? That's the bigger judge of good development.

Glad you asked... From our GF Squad...

Dom Brymora U13s NPL>>> First Grade
Jayden Stewardson U15s NPL >>> First grade
Jeremy Wilson U15s NPL >>> First Grade
Angus McLeoad U13s NPL>>>> Jets Youth >>> returned to First Grade
Josh Benson U13s NPL>>>> Jets Youth >>> returned to First Grade
Cale Graham U15s NPL>>>> Jets Youth >>> returned to First Grade
Xander Woweries U15s NPL>>> First Grade


Kale Bradbery >>> Magic U18s >>> Magic First Grade>>> Jaffas
Josh Piddington >>> Magic First grade as 16 year old >>> Jaffas
Ben Kennedy>>> Magic First Grade >>> Jets >>> Jaffas
Matthew Hoole >>> Magic Community >>> Magic First Grade>>> Jaffas
Sam Webb>>> Magic 15s NPL >>> Magic First Grade>>> Jaffas

[Taffy]

So 4 players

[Eastwest]

The bigger question is how many of Magic's first graders came through their youth system? That's the bigger judge of good development.

Glad you asked... From our GF Squad...

Dom Brymora U13s NPL>>> First Grade
Jayden Stewardson U15s NPL >>> First grade
Jeremy Wilson U15s NPL >>> First Grade
Angus McLeoad U13s NPL>>>> Jets Youth >>> returned to First Grade
Josh Benson U13s NPL>>>> Jets Youth >>> returned to First Grade
Cale Graham U15s NPL>>>> Jets Youth >>> returned to First Grade
Xander Woweries U15s NPL>>> First Grade


Kale Bradbery >>> Magic U18s >>> Magic First Grade>>> Jaffas
Josh Piddington >>> Magic First grade as 16 year old >>> Jaffas
Ben Kennedy>>> Magic First Grade >>> Jets >>> Jaffas
Matthew Hoole >>> Magic Community >>> Magic First Grade>>> Jaffas
Sam Webb>>> Magic 15s NPL >>> Magic First Grade>>> Jaffas

Now the long list where youth from other clubs have gone to Magic. Let someone who has a fair view do that research

Ignoring the other side of the argument is stupidity but usual from you lot.

[The Magician]

Now the long list where youth from other clubs have gone to Magic. Let someone who has a fair view do that research

Ignoring the other side of the argument is stupidity but usual from you lot.

The question was how many of Magics first grade come through their youth system... pretty simple question really, with an answer given ... How many from your club?

But if every side of the story must be considered i hope you lay in bed at night wondering how many times your mother considered aborting you next time she wishes you happy birthday.

[Hunter403]

The reality is:
- that no club in Newcastle has a first grade squad made up of its juniors and probably never will. Having a "my dog is bigger than your dog" argument about it is a waste of time. Every NPL club is as good or bad as the other.
- players move from club to club for a number of reasons, money being one of them, opportunity being another.
- money is paid by all NPL clubs and a number of NL1 clubs (not all) to attract first grade players. Don't pretend it isn't and if you are from an NPL club, don't pretend that yours doesn't pay. There is nothing wrong with it while NNSW turn a blind eye to it, and how they raise that money is their concern. Don't like it, then find another club.
- having coached youth in both NPL and NL1, my experience is that there are good programmes at clubs in both. There are also very good and very average and some down right poor coaches at both levels.
- Youth fees to play in what is now the same comp range from $950 to $2,200. Generally, the fees include strip, training strip, match fees (refs), rego, ground hire, utilities (power), polo shirt, track suite etc. Overall, the packages offerred are comparable whilst the price isn't. You can decide what you think the extra money is for. If you are ok with it: fine. If not, then find another club. I firmly believe that those fees, once approved by NNSW Football should be published. Give families an informed choice.
- the only difference between the NPL based clubs and the NL1 based clubs is the perception that you get better training at an NPL club. That perception is reinforced by the best kids wanting to go to those clubs because they (or their parents) think that's the way to NPL first grade at that club. Those clubs are then kept strong by that perception and it becomes self fulfilling. There are other ways. The current migration of players between clubs already proves it. I guarantee you that if you are a youth player at a NL1 based club and you can play, a NPL club will come knocking.

So can we get on with discussing the current youth comp and not the history of current NPL first graders?

[The Bear]

The reality is:
- that no club in Newcastle has a first grade squad made up of its juniors and probably never will. Having a "my dog is bigger than your dog" argument about it is a waste of time. Every NPL club is as good or bad as the other.
- players move from club to club for a number of reasons, money being one of them, opportunity being another.
- money is paid by all NPL clubs and a number of NL1 clubs (not all) to attract first grade players. Don't pretend it isn't and if you are from an NPL club, don't pretend that yours doesn't pay. There is nothing wrong with it while NNSW turn a blind eye to it, and how they raise that money is their concern. Don't like it, then find another club.
- having coached youth in both NPL and NL1, my experience is that there are good programmes at clubs in both. There are also very good and very average and some down right poor coaches at both levels.
- Youth fees to play in what is now the same comp range from $950 to $2,200. Generally, the fees include strip, training strip, match fees (refs), rego, ground hire, utilities (power), polo shirt, track suite etc. Overall, the packages offerred are comparable whilst the price isn't. You can decide what you think the extra money is for. If you are ok with it: fine. If not, then find another club. I firmly believe that those fees, once approved by NNSW Football should be published. Give families an informed choice.
- the only difference between the NPL based clubs and the NL1 based clubs is the perception that you get better training at an NPL club. That perception is reinforced by the best kids wanting to go to those clubs because they (or their parents) think that's the way to NPL first grade at that club. Those clubs are then kept strong by that perception and it becomes self fulfilling. There are other ways. The current migration of players between clubs already proves it. I guarantee you that if you are a youth player at a NL1 based club and you can play, a NPL club will come knocking.

So can we get on with discussing the current youth comp and not the history of current NPL first graders?

Where would you have your grandkids play Hunter? One NPL and one NL1 team for variety.

[Hunter403]

Where would you have your grandkids play Hunter? One NPL and one NL1 team for variety.

I am biased here as I coach at a NL1 club at the moment. Additionally, what would suit me might not suit you. Club culture can vary greatly.
I'd suugest you meet the TD and the coach and try and get a feel for their philosophy. If possible, attend a game and see how the coach behaves. Is he aggressive, calm, silent, noisly critical of players and referees, does he micro manage? Is that behaviour acceptable to you? Does the coach enforce appropriate discipline or is his team loose and uncontrolled? Ask around amongst the parents at the club.
You are going to be paying a significant amount of money and as a paying customer you should do your research.

There are plenty of trials going on right now. Go to some and trial. It is not just the player that is on trial.

[TopCorner]

I am biased here as I coach at a NL1 club at the moment. Additionally, what would suit me might not suit you. Club culture can vary greatly.
I'd suugest you meet the TD and the coach and try and get a feel for their philosophy. If possible, attend a game and see how the coach behaves. Is he aggressive, calm, silent, noisly critical of players and referees, does he micro manage? Is that behaviour acceptable to you? Does the coach enforce appropriate discipline or is his team loose and uncontrolled? Ask around amongst the parents at the club.
You are going to be paying a significant amount of money and as a paying customer you should do your research.

There are plenty of trials going on right now. Go to some and trial. It is not just the player that is on trial.

One of the most sensible things Ive read on here 🙌