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    Quote Originally Posted by Aegon View Post
    I took a few minutes and ran the numbers.
    Numbers allocated are number of teams minus -1 for first descending. e.g. in Phase A 1st place gets 13, 2nd place gets 12 all the way to 14th who gets 0.

    Div 1 Phase A
    1. Jaffas = 13-13-6-11-10 -- 53
    2. Magic = 10-12-13-10-7 -- 52
    3. Maitland = 9-9-10-12-9 -- 49
    4. Olympic = 11-4-8-13-13 -- 49
    5. North Coast = 6-8-9-7-12 -- 42
    6. Valentine = 8-6-12-8-5 -- 41
    7. Edgeworth = 12-3-7-9-8 -- 39
    8. Mid Coast = 1-11-11-3-2 -- 28
    9. Weston = 4-10-5-4-4 -- 27
    10. Lakes = 7-5-4-5-3 -- 24
    11. Adamstown = 5-0-0-2-11 -- 18
    12. Azzurri = 2-7-1-0-6 -- 16
    13. New Lambton = 3-1-2-6-1 -- 13
    14. Cooks Hill = 0-2-3-1-0 -- 6


    DIV A Phase B
    1. Olympic = 5-1-3-7-7 -- 23
    2. Jaffas = 6-7-0-3-5 -- 21
    3. Edgeworth = 7-2-2-6-3 -- 20
    4. Magic = 4-3-6-5-2 -- 20
    5. Maitland = 2-5-4-4-4 -- 19
    6. Valentine = 3-4-7-2-1 -- 17
    7. North Coast = 1-0-5-1-6 -- 13
    8. Weston = 0-6-1-0-0 -- 7


    DIV B Phase B
    1. Lakes = 7-5-6-4-6 -- 28
    2. Mid Coast = 5-7-7-1-4 -- 24
    3. New Lambton = 3-2-5-7-7 -- 24
    4. Cooks Hill = 2-6-4-3-1 -- 16
    5. Belswans = 4-1-3-5-3 -- 16
    6. Adamstown = 6-0-1-2-5 -- 14
    7. South Cardiff = 1-3-0-6-0 -- 10
    8. Azzurri = 0-4-2-0-2 -- 8


    There doesn't seem to be a dramatic difference from the actuals, although Mid Coast and BelSwans might want to argue the semantics.
    Great effort but something is missing. You missed almost half of the league
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter403 View Post
    Great effort but something is missing. You missed almost half of the league
    Time constraints. I was concentrating on the Pro/Rel impact. I didn't think adding Div 2 phase A would change South Cardiff or BelSwans being promoted and DIV C Phase B had no promotion capability or impact on the club championship.
    All opinions expressed here are my own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aegon View Post
    It's not 11, 9, 9, 1, 9 as the 13's don't count towards club championship in FNSW Youth Leagues.

    I ran the same numbers for FNSW YL1 as per my last post. Actual Points and position in brackets.

    1. Wanderers = 6-15-12-14 -- 47 (1st - 213pts)
    2. Mariners = 2-14-10-15 -- 41 (3rd - 197pts)
    3. Jets = 7-7-15-7 -- 36 (2nd - 198pts)
    4. Syd Olympic = 15-12-7-2 -- 36 (4th - 195pts)
    5. Syd FC = 14-6-8-8 -- 36 (5th - 194pts)
    6. Syd United = 10-2-11-12 -- 35 (9th - 179pts)
    7. Blacktown = 8-4-13-9 -- 34 (8th - 179pts)
    8. SD Raiders = 11-8-9-5 -- 33 (6th - 185pts)
    9. Marconi = 12-9-3-6 -- 30 (7th - 180pts)
    10. Hills FC = 9-5-2-13 -- 29 (12th - 162pts)
    11. Manly = 3-1-14-11 -- 29 (10th - 166pts)
    12. Sutherland = 5-13-4-4 -- 26 (11th - 162pts)
    13. APIA = 13-3-6-1 -- 23 (14th - 147pts)
    14. Wollongong = 1-10-1-10 -- 22 (13th - 148pts)
    15. Rockdale = 0-11-5-0 -- 16 (15th - 135pts)
    16. Mt Druitt = 4-0-0-3 -- 7 (16th - 85pts)


    Regardless of how you look at it, the differences are minor.

    The Jets 2nd (or 3rd regardless of how you look at it) are the only team who didn't have a team finish lower than 9th. Consistency and one high achieving team got them to where they were in the club championship.
    I admire the effort that has gone into this. Well done. I?m not sure your numbers really work s because any points system would be heavily weighted for those teams at the top. It is not so simple as ladder position = points.

    You are right that there is a general consistency with the Jets performances but the other member is also right to suggest that one first place and 3 middle spots shouldn?t equate to second spot on a club championship. If it does equate to that, then the club championship system doesn?t work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bear View Post
    You are right that there is a general consistency with the Jets performances but the other member is also right to suggest that one first place and 3 middle spots shouldn?t equate to second spot on a club championship. If it does equate to that, then the club championship system doesn?t work.
    It shouldnt but it does. Measuring consistency doesnt always have to look normal. Its bizzare but so it football. Although i too think the Jets position is overrated

    What it doesnt show are coaches are getting the best out of their players. You can have a technically talented side that loses most games. low level physical long ball driving up the table etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldy View Post
    It shouldnt but it does. Measuring consistency doesnt always have to look normal. Its bizzare but so it football. Although i too think the Jets position is overrated

    What it doesnt show are coaches are getting the best out of their players. You can have a technically talented side that loses most games. low level physical long ball driving up the table etc.
    For years the Jest have been criticized for playing backwards and sideward ball, no physicality etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aegon View Post
    It's not 11, 9, 9, 1, 9 as the 13's don't count towards club championship in FNSW Youth.
    I don't think that is the most accurate way to divy out numbers either, though

    Excluding the 13s, 3x 9th places and a 1st shouldn't be 3rd, (let alone a 2nd)

    (Not that my opinion matters of course, still does not "feel" like a successful year with those numbers)

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    Honestly.... Because it does not suit your narrative...
    The points accumulated in 14's, 15's, 16's and 18's by all those teams combined means they finished higher then 14 other teams. Including Sydney FC and CCM.
    That's just the facts. They finished ahead of the WINNERS, WSW in TWO age groups 14's and 16's.
    It's not that hard to understand.

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    Should 3 x 9th finishes and a 1st equate to 2nd or 3rd on a club championship? No.

    Does it? Yes

    Would it usually? No. Probably not.


    For us to be 2nd/3rd there must be some pretty inconsistent clubs across the whole competition. That’s what I’m taking from this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung View Post
    Should 3 x 9th finishes and a 1st equate to 2nd or 3rd on a club championship? No.

    Does it? Yes

    Would it usually? No. Probably not.


    For us to be 2nd/3rd there must be some pretty inconsistent clubs across the whole competition. That’s what I’m taking from this.
    What?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JettyJet View Post
    What?
    Which bit did you not understand?


    Those finishes of 9th, 9th, 1st, 9th should not equate to 2nd on a club championship model. The fact that it does, tells me that other clubs are just as inconsistent across the ages.
    I think you’d be hard up to find another competition where those table positions equate to a second place.


    But, it has this year, so good on them.

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    How about only club championship points accumulated by the teams that make finals

    Average ladder positions ≠ anything to crow about ��

    It really does show just a level of inconsistency in the clubs as mentioned above

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    Magic - 14?s asst gone. 15?s head coach gone. 16?s head coach gone.

    Discuss.

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    Plus no TD.

    May even lose their ground going off paper yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bear View Post
    Magic - 14?s asst gone. 15?s head coach gone. 16?s head coach gone.

    Discuss.
    Plenty of other clubs out there without players or coaches and are way less attractive a destination than Magic.Ive got a feeling they will be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bear View Post
    Magic - 14?s asst gone. 15?s head coach gone. 16?s head coach gone.

    Discuss.
    So they retain one of the poorest coaches in the league. That'll do me.

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