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    Quote Originally Posted by samcan View Post
    So heres the deal. 8 teams in 3 divisions Y1,Y2,Y3 with 1 team up/down. Here's why.

    If there's 8 local teams (maybe added mid/north coast) these Y1 clubs can strengthen those week grades to ensure all grades are very competitive right through. nearly every game is a contest. Initially any team with a weak age can "attract" better players.
    Now this will weaken certain clubs a little in the beginning especially if they had one good grade but these clubs are letting down other clubs in 2/3 other age divisions with lopsided games.

    One team up/down each year means that only the team going up needs to ensure all their grades are ready. Other clubs can build as they see fit to rise when they are ready if they want. Clubs like Rosebuds or Lake Mac might really suit Y2 grade as they focus wholly on the player and not results. Other clubs like Toronto might be happy in Y3 so they arent pressured to find 4 youth sides to match NL/Southy/BelS and or other strong teams that can turn kids away.

    As we have seen not everyone wants to play NPL if it means getting smashed. So this theory proposes that those last are still fairly competitive and those that arent strong enough for Y1 can be successful in decent company in Y2 or Y3.

    Right now we are kidding ourselves with this structure. Its getting harder each year to find a good game to watch.
    I like this proposal and its pretty similar to the majority of opinions on the forum.Another thing id like to see in youth if it is indeed based on a "club championship" is that clubs are awarded some sort of incentive for their own JDL players.Not sure exactly how to word it but rewarding clubs for having NPL youth that has come through their JDL system would certainly change some clubs behavior.Maybe having an incentive for clubs to play kids with at least 2 years JDL or community experience at a club would make a difference and help clubs avoid relegation if they are on the cusp.
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    [QUOTE=BS detecor;258416]
    Quote Originally Posted by The Hacker View Post

    True. Kids will always get better if they play better opposition but I guess the downside is how long can a kid get towelled every week year after year before they have had enough. There are pretty much 4 teams who are only going to take points off each other and if you’re not even getting points there then the game can get hard to love.
    There’s a few in the older ages groups now who came out of 13s/14s from clubs down the bottom and they def deserve to be playing NPL.

    It’s definitely tough, but it does make tough players with the right mindset as well. Hard call to say that at 13 they don’t deserve to be playing top tier football because of how players all develop at different times.

    It’s definitely hard to get the balance right and every kid is going to have a different developmental pathway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BS detecor View Post

    There’s a few in the older ages groups now who came out of 13s/14s from clubs down the bottom and they def deserve to be playing NPL.

    It’s definitely tough, but it does make tough players with the right mindset as well. Hard call to say that at 13 they don’t deserve to be playing top tier football because of how players all develop at different times.

    It’s definitely hard to get the balance right and every kid is going to have a different developmental pathway.
    If they actually decouple it what time frame would you do it. It would be hard to pull the trigger on it for next season

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    Quote Originally Posted by BS detecor View Post
    Cool story bro
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    Quote Originally Posted by KITZ View Post

    If they actually decouple it what time frame would you do it. It would be hard to pull the trigger on it for next season
    It would be a 2 year process I believe

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Hacker View Post

    It would be a 2 year process I believe
    So 2023 and 2024 to get your house in order

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    I’ve heard They might incorporate a cup competition which would be an exciting addition for the youth if it was true

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    Pro/Rel for youth is interesting, do you include the local adult competition as well?

    Some dynamic ways clubs could think about approaching this

    Plenty of talented kids miss out due to the high costs, maybe offer those kids, with high potential scholarships, etc (pay for play opportunities are abhorrent, and hold the country back)

    A transfer system would also help to incentivise development outcomes

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    Quote Originally Posted by WOW2.0 View Post
    Pro/Rel for youth is interesting, do you include the local adult competition as well?

    Some dynamic ways clubs could think about approaching this

    Plenty of talented kids miss out due to the high costs, maybe offer those kids, with high potential scholarships, etc (pay for play opportunities are abhorrent, and hold the country back)

    A transfer system would also help to incentivise development outcomes
    What I would like to know is are North Coast and Mid Coast part of this also? Can they be relegated? The good players in those areas can’t jump across to a better club if they go down a division. Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_Carl View Post
    What I would like to know is are North Coast and Mid Coast part of this also? Can they be relegated? The good players in those areas can’t jump across to a better club if they go down a division. Thoughts?
    Yes.
    The promotion relegation things doesn’t work if there’s protected species. The aim is to end up with the best in the top, not the best 6 and 2 others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_Carl View Post
    What I would like to know is are North Coast and Mid Coast part of this also? Can they be relegated? The good players in those areas can’t jump across to a better club if they go down a division. Thoughts?
    Its a good point but I agree that they would all have to play by the same rules.NIAS being in NL1 is a good example too.Understandably it would be really tough on kids in that area who miss out but trying to make every situation perfect usually discourages any change at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WOW2.0 View Post
    Pro/Rel for youth is interesting, do you include the local adult competition as well?

    Some dynamic ways clubs could think about approaching this

    Plenty of talented kids miss out due to the high costs, maybe offer those kids, with high potential scholarships, etc (pay for play opportunities are abhorrent, and hold the country back)

    A transfer system would also help to incentivise development outcomes
    Domestic transfer system is absolutely needed and is basically the only way forward to truly lower costs for talented players.

    Simply, clubs need to make some $ out of their time and effort. If they cant make it in the form of investing in the players development and picking up a fee and any future % fees as a result, they'll charge more for it. Pretty simple.

    FFA are talking about a DTS and are ready to implement it, but what I have mentioned above will, unfortunately, benefit clubs too much and not enough of the $ will funnel back to the member feds, so I assume there will be something added to it that eats at the club pie and regurgitates it back into the member feds as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WOW2.0 View Post
    Pro/Rel for youth is interesting, do you include the local adult competition as well?
    Nope. They have their own club championship points 18 res 1st.

    And no club including the travelers are exempt from pro rel.

    what it will do is get the best players against each other and allow those that arent at the level yet develop in other grades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WOW2.0 View Post
    Plenty of talented kids miss out due to the high costs, maybe offer those kids, with high potential scholarships, etc (pay for play opportunities are abhorrent, and hold the country back
    Agree.

    BUT, we are in pov town with pov clubs and no chance of providing dollars to finance this. Coming out of other player rego would be a no.
    NNSW sit on hands charging everyone else like a wounded but not sure where they are spending millions.

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    Agree.

    BUT, we are in pov town with pov clubs and no chance of providing dollars to finance this. Coming out of other player rego would be a no.
    NNSW sit on hands charging everyone else like a wounded but not sure where they are spending millions.
    Cooks Hill has a fund set aside for exactly this purpose. To support local kids who otherwise would not be able to participate not just in NPL but football at all levels. There are ~10 kids this year who have been beneficiary of this fund.

    Clubs supporting youth players financially to participate does not have to be financed from regos either. All clubs, at all levels generate income through sponsorship, canteens, fundraisers. Football and finances should not be about the individual, players are part of a club and that club exists in a community. Choosing to spend money on community minded endeavours is part of any good community organisation.

    I'd be surprised if every club in the city didn't have some sort of support to assist players who would otherwise not afford it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AVB View Post
    Cooks Hill has a fund set aside for exactly this purpose. To support local kids who otherwise would not be able to participate not just in NPL but football at all levels. There are ~10 kids this year who have been beneficiary of this fund.

    Clubs supporting youth players financially to participate does not have to be financed from regos either. All clubs, at all levels generate income through sponsorship, canteens, fundraisers. Football and finances should not be about the individual, players are part of a club and that club exists in a community. Choosing to spend money on community minded endeavours is part of any good community organisation.

    I'd be surprised if every club in the city didn't have some sort of support to assist players who would otherwise not afford it.
    Once again well done to Cookers. You guys seem to know how to get around the red tape inc council to move your club forward in many areas.

    Ill bet you have a plan for your youth next year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AVB View Post
    Cooks Hill has a fund set aside for exactly this purpose. To support local kids who otherwise would not be able to participate not just in NPL but football at all levels. There are ~10 kids this year who have been beneficiary of this fund.

    Clubs supporting youth players financially to participate does not have to be financed from regos either. All clubs, at all levels generate income through sponsorship, canteens, fundraisers. Football and finances should not be about the individual, players are part of a club and that club exists in a community. Choosing to spend money on community minded endeavours is part of any good community organisation.

    I'd be surprised if every club in the city didn't have some sort of support to assist players who would otherwise not afford it.
    I believe a lot of clubs do help if approached, but particularly as we are talking about teenagers, would probably prefer it not be advertised, unless its a merit based scholarship..

    Hard enough getting through being a teenager at the best of times, without it being plastered on social media that your parents can't afford for you to pay I would think.

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    Shout out to the clubs who put postponed matches and ground changes on their FB page. helps with logistics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AVB View Post
    Cooks Hill has a fund set aside for exactly this purpose. To support local kids who otherwise would not be able to participate not just in NPL but football at all levels. There are ~10 kids this year who have been beneficiary of this fund.

    Clubs supporting youth players financially to participate does not have to be financed from regos either. All clubs, at all levels generate income through sponsorship, canteens, fundraisers. Football and finances should not be about the individual, players are part of a club and that club exists in a community. Choosing to spend money on community minded endeavours is part of any good community organisation.

    I'd be surprised if every club in the city didn't have some sort of support to assist players who would otherwise not afford it.
    Precisely, this is how a "community" organisation should be ran and those that do so should be commended. Well done to those at Cooks Hill involved in this program.

    Unfortunately at some club's, people's ego's and personal preferences get put before what is best for the "community" aspect of club's. Then there is the aspect of some that purely see a club as something that should be revenue driven and devoid of transparency.

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    I would like to see, if they decoupled the seniors to the youth, to further decouple all age groups...a group of really talented group at an underperforming club should not be punished, and they should not be disincentivised to leave to pursue "better" options...just grade them all based on their previous year's performance

    Also think, with a transfer system...it would be wrong for clubs to charge any fees, at the same time as "selling the finished product" ... Akin to double dipping

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    Quote Originally Posted by WOW2.0 View Post
    I would like to see, if they decoupled the seniors to the youth, to further decouple all age groups...a group of really talented group at an underperforming club should not be punished, and they should not be disincentivised to leave to pursue "better" options...just grade them all based on their previous year's performance
    This would be the fairest way to do it from a playing perspective,but it will never happen as the draw and ground logistics would be a nightmare.To be fair theres not many clubs that have one team right at the top and the rest at the bottom.Most clubs youth seem pretty similar spots on the table.For the one or two teams it will stuff around it wont make it worthwhile.Plus theres players helping out in the grades above on gamedays that is happening way more than i thought it would so far this year.

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