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    In the premier league the last 3 teams drop to the second division[/QUOTE

    I know then they usually go straight back down. When’s the last time a team got promoted then made the top 4 the next year. Never. Why cause they need time to build it’s not a click of the finger. But once you get there it’s also hard to fall out of the top half. It is a vicious cycle to break
    True. Kids will always get better if they play better opposition but I guess the downside is how long can a kid get towelled every week year after year before they have had enough. There are pretty much 4 teams who are only going to take points off each other and if you’re not even getting points there then the game can get hard to love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BS detecor View Post

    True. Kids will always get better if they play better opposition but I guess the downside is how long can a kid get towelled every week year after year before they have had enough. There are pretty much 4 teams who are only going to take points off each other and if youíre not even getting points there then the game can get hard to love.
    Clubs can turn it around. Look at the job Maitland have done with their Youth over the last few seasons. Pro/Rel should still be part of the solution as it would incentive some clubs to take it more seriously.
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    If you draw a line around 10th now in 13s it leaves Charlestown as the bottom club and they copped 10 today vs Jaffas.I dont like that results are the only reference point in youth football but can understand why.I think there will always be cannon fodder its just a matter of how many kids want to cop it week in week out.Some clubs are clear that they are only working towards 18's and seniors.Some clubs spent the JDL years cutting kids and poaching others in the pursuit of results.Some kids who didnt make their 1st choice NPL team would rather drop down a division instead of going to a lower club just so they win.Will that make them better off in the hope of playing NPL seniors?I doubt it.Just to be clear i dont pretend to have all the answers,because every solution offers up a different set of problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Hacker View Post
    There is always a team going to come last and in any league in any age there is a spread from top team to last team. No comp is close between every team. That’s called a fantasy. In the premier league there is 68 points between first and last. Adamstown apparently have a good 12’s team according to this forum so that helps start the cycle. Weston, Cooks Hill, Lakes, Adamstown aren’t setting the world on fire. But I imagine not through a lack of trying. Lambtons 16’s are average, Mid North Coast are in the bottom half of every ladder. You can’t click your fingers and go from last to first. If it was that easy everyone would do it. It takes time a patient. Something clearly short in some people’s opinion
    So heres the deal. 8 teams in 3 divisions Y1,Y2,Y3 with 1 team up/down. Here's why.

    If there's 8 local teams (maybe added mid/north coast) these Y1 clubs can strengthen those week grades to ensure all grades are very competitive right through. nearly every game is a contest. Initially any team with a weak age can "attract" better players.
    Now this will weaken certain clubs a little in the beginning especially if they had one good grade but these clubs are letting down other clubs in 2/3 other age divisions with lopsided games.

    One team up/down each year means that only the team going up needs to ensure all their grades are ready. Other clubs can build as they see fit to rise when they are ready if they want. Clubs like Rosebuds or Lake Mac might really suit Y2 grade as they focus wholly on the player and not results. Other clubs like Toronto might be happy in Y3 so they arent pressured to find 4 youth sides to match NL/Southy/BelS and or other strong teams that can turn kids away.

    As we have seen not everyone wants to play NPL if it means getting smashed. So this theory proposes that those last are still fairly competitive and those that arent strong enough for Y1 can be successful in decent company in Y2 or Y3.

    Right now we are kidding ourselves with this structure. Its getting harder each year to find a good game to watch.

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    It will be interesting to see if the youth decoupling proposal goes ahead because it looks like a step forward

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    Quote Originally Posted by samcan View Post
    So heres the deal. 8 teams in 3 divisions Y1,Y2,Y3 with 1 team up/down. Here's why.

    If there's 8 local teams (maybe added mid/north coast) these Y1 clubs can strengthen those week grades to ensure all grades are very competitive right through. nearly every game is a contest. Initially any team with a weak age can "attract" better players.
    Now this will weaken certain clubs a little in the beginning especially if they had one good grade but these clubs are letting down other clubs in 2/3 other age divisions with lopsided games.

    One team up/down each year means that only the team going up needs to ensure all their grades are ready. Other clubs can build as they see fit to rise when they are ready if they want. Clubs like Rosebuds or Lake Mac might really suit Y2 grade as they focus wholly on the player and not results. Other clubs like Toronto might be happy in Y3 so they arent pressured to find 4 youth sides to match NL/Southy/BelS and or other strong teams that can turn kids away.

    As we have seen not everyone wants to play NPL if it means getting smashed. So this theory proposes that those last are still fairly competitive and those that arent strong enough for Y1 can be successful in decent company in Y2 or Y3.

    Right now we are kidding ourselves with this structure. Its getting harder each year to find a good game to watch.
    I like this proposal and its pretty similar to the majority of opinions on the forum.Another thing id like to see in youth if it is indeed based on a "club championship" is that clubs are awarded some sort of incentive for their own JDL players.Not sure exactly how to word it but rewarding clubs for having NPL youth that has come through their JDL system would certainly change some clubs behavior.Maybe having an incentive for clubs to play kids with at least 2 years JDL or community experience at a club would make a difference and help clubs avoid relegation if they are on the cusp.
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    [QUOTE=BS detecor;258416]
    Quote Originally Posted by The Hacker View Post

    True. Kids will always get better if they play better opposition but I guess the downside is how long can a kid get towelled every week year after year before they have had enough. There are pretty much 4 teams who are only going to take points off each other and if youíre not even getting points there then the game can get hard to love.
    Thereís a few in the older ages groups now who came out of 13s/14s from clubs down the bottom and they def deserve to be playing NPL.

    Itís definitely tough, but it does make tough players with the right mindset as well. Hard call to say that at 13 they donít deserve to be playing top tier football because of how players all develop at different times.

    Itís definitely hard to get the balance right and every kid is going to have a different developmental pathway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BS detecor View Post

    Thereís a few in the older ages groups now who came out of 13s/14s from clubs down the bottom and they def deserve to be playing NPL.

    Itís definitely tough, but it does make tough players with the right mindset as well. Hard call to say that at 13 they donít deserve to be playing top tier football because of how players all develop at different times.

    Itís definitely hard to get the balance right and every kid is going to have a different developmental pathway.
    If they actually decouple it what time frame would you do it. It would be hard to pull the trigger on it for next season

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    Quote Originally Posted by BS detecor View Post
    Cool story bro
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    Quote Originally Posted by KITZ View Post

    If they actually decouple it what time frame would you do it. It would be hard to pull the trigger on it for next season
    It would be a 2 year process I believe

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    [QUOTE=BS detecor;258439]
    Quote Originally Posted by The Hacker View Post

    It would be a 2 year process I believe
    So 2023 and 2024 to get your house in order

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    I’ve heard They might incorporate a cup competition which would be an exciting addition for the youth if it was true

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