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    Vs Sutherland

    13’s - 1-1
    14’s - 2-2
    15’s - 2-3
    16’s - 5-1
    18’s - 5-1

    Vs UNSW

    Youth 1-3
    U20's ?
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    RD 4 vs Sydney FC

    13’s - 1-5
    14’s - 0-7
    15’s - 0-2
    16’s - 4-1
    18’s - 3-4

    Rd 6 vs Gladesville Ryde Magic

    Youth 3-0
    U20's 6-2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taffy View Post
    Happens here in Newcastle all the time as well, the zone boards got rid of Northern's board when they saw their cushy spots and power would be taken from them.
    Look no further than Gve, Gomez and that other plump turkey running the jets youth now. Total in house sham. Gaz should stick to womens football so he can ruin that.

    Theres plenty of favours for "their boys". Ill let the street talk fill you in on the rest of the stories.

    Until that regime is tossed out it wont change. Mattiske is too busy hiding behind his Italian marble table and paycheck to do anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastwest View Post
    Look no further than Gve, Gomez and that other plump turkey running the jets youth now. Total in house sham. Gaz should stick to womens football so he can ruin that.

    Theres plenty of favours for "their boys". Ill let the street talk fill you in on the rest of the stories.

    Until that regime is tossed out it wont change. Mattiske is too busy hiding behind his Italian marble table and paycheck to do anything.

    Info from your local PI.
    Well yes the Academy is going backwards with GVE being appointed and him just bringing in his mates and then who ever he can find, the pre-academy is a blatant money grab.

    Jets certainly won't be going forward anytime soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taffy View Post
    Well yes the Academy is going backwards with GVE being appointed and him just bringing in his mates and then who ever he can find, the pre-academy is a blatant money grab.

    Jets certainly won't be going forward anytime soon
    I've had some involvement with the Pre-Academy this year and from my perspective it's been great. Extra session of training amongst decent kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howardyou View Post
    I've had some involvement with the Pre-Academy this year and from my perspective it's been great. Extra session of training amongst decent kids.
    People have the memories of goldfish on here. Complained about TSP for the under 12s (particularly around the girls) run by northern last year.

    Compared to the TSP from what I seen last year where there was a billion kids (and the sessions were considerably slower) the sessions this year have been a smaller group, but the pace and skill definitely a step up from club - which is what I thought the whole point was. The sessions have been miles ahead for the girls this year compared to what was being offered for them last year in TSP at the same age point.

    The older TSPs get one game a fortnight now - no training - no specialised goalkeeper training - This is where the gap is going to grow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howardyou View Post
    I've had some involvement with the Pre-Academy this year and from my perspective it's been great. Extra session of training amongst decent kids.
    The Academy is literally not going backwards. They have been promoted last year and sitting 8th in the Club Championship ,the Men are top in CC also. The women's program needs work though.

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    Whatever helps the justification for paying to be involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taffy View Post
    Whatever helps the justification for paying to be involved.
    I've never had nor do I have a child in the program. Facts are facts, the performances of the Boys/men's program have improved hence their position in Youth and Seniors CC. Probably one of the issues that plagues the region is the constant bagging of the Jets and the blind adulation of a very ordinary sub-standard local competition.

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    We are talking about the Pre-Academy, not sure what any of that has to do with the Youth and Seniors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JettyJet View Post
    I've never had nor do I have a child in the program. Facts are facts, the performances of the Boys/men's program have improved hence their position in Youth and Seniors CC. Probably one of the issues that plagues the region is the constant bagging of the Jets and the blind adulation of a very ordinary sub-standard local competition.
    disagree. the talent of the kids alone have achieved this. That is inspite of the backward thinking gve has bought.

    I was with a mate watching pre academy when i popped over to watch Jets TSP 13s. The NNSW TSP boys u13s beat the full strength Jets 13s last night 2-0. It was earned as well. The Jets were technically better but the 1 trick pony gve tactics is terrible. The TSP we re allowed to use a variety of options and it worked. The jets coaching setup is a joke and it's not necessarily the individual coaches fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastwest View Post
    disagree. the talent of the kids alone have achieved this. That is inspite of the backward thinking gve has bought.

    I was with a mate watching pre academy when i popped over to watch Jets TSP 13s. The NNSW TSP boys u13s beat the full strength Jets 13s last night 2-0. It was earned as well. The Jets were technically better but the 1 trick pony gve tactics is terrible. The TSP we re allowed to use a variety of options and it worked. The jets coaching setup is a joke and it's not necessarily the individual coaches fault.
    Sounds like you are describing one team playing long ball tactics to get the win, while the other team played possession football to help develop their skills and not worrying about the scoreline. That sounds like what most academies do at the junior level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KITZ View Post
    People have the memories of goldfish on here. Complained about TSP for the under 12s (particularly around the girls) run by northern last year.

    Compared to the TSP from what I seen last year where there was a billion kids (and the sessions were considerably slower) the sessions this year have been a smaller group, but the pace and skill definitely a step up from club - which is what I thought the whole point was. The sessions have been miles ahead for the girls this year compared to what was being offered for them last year in TSP at the same age point.

    The older TSPs get one game a fortnight now - no training - no specialised goalkeeper training - This is where the gap is going to grow.
    There doesn't seem to be many girls doing the pre academy this year...I believe there was around 20 in the TSP last year?

    There does appear to be a lot of boys though...looks like 3 tiers of 15 boys in the 12s age bracket, that would be 45 and on par with the 44 that 12s TSP had last year. Not sure the numbers are really any different for them.

    I wonder if the decline in number of girls participating is linked to the greater costs. And the perceived "investment return". Last year it was $90 for a (10 week?) term. Now it is $295 for an 8 week term (same costs as Sydney FC run their version of pre academy...they of course own the Jets now)

    (Having said that, I haven't any issue with anyone making money, and the attempts to find the clubs future)

    As a parent, things I would have expected/liked to see there (knowing someone will read this and wreck my son's chances...cause that's just the way things work): anyway...feedback to parents/kids on what any particular kids should be working on to improve their chances of being picked (or to improve their football in general)

    More experienced coaches (many are kids from the academy, and they don't seem to have a lot of interest...tier 1 has Damien Zane by comparison.

    More drills/technical development

    The tier 1 group lost to the tier 2 group again last Monday night, but kids aren't cycling through the tiers as I'd have thought this would result in.

    Just my two cents

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    Quote Originally Posted by WOW2.0 View Post
    More experienced coaches (many are kids from the academy, and they don't seem to have a lot of interest
    $36/hour to be coached by a teenager who doesn't really want to be there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastwest View Post
    disagree. the talent of the kids alone have achieved this. That is inspite of the backward thinking gve has bought.

    I was with a mate watching pre academy when i popped over to watch Jets TSP 13s. The NNSW TSP boys u13s beat the full strength Jets 13s last night 2-0. It was earned as well. The Jets were technically better but the 1 trick pony gve tactics is terrible. The TSP we re allowed to use a variety of options and it worked. The jets coaching setup is a joke and it's not necessarily the individual coaches fault.
    I didn't see the whole game but from what I did watch:
    • The 13's age group is extremely deep in talented players
    • There are a heap of players in the 13's TSP group B that are good enough to play in FNSW NPL Youth 1 teams
    • The game was played to a high standard by both teams
    • I thought the jets were the better team for most of the game but didn't convert their chances


    The jets 13's are currently 5th in Youth League 1 half way into the season.
    Overall you could swap a bunch of boys between TSP and the jets 13's and maintain the same level of ability.
    Unfortunately some quality kids missed selection and will every year due to how many excellent players there are in that age group.
    Maybe NNSWF should consider entering teams in FNSW NPL Youth if the talent pool is as consistently deep in future years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aegon View Post
    The 13's age group is extremely deep in talented players
    There are a heap of players in the 13's TSP group B that are good enough to play in FNSW NPL Youth 1 teams

    Overall you could swap a bunch of boys between TSP and the jets 13's and maintain the same level of ability.
    This is the second cohort of JDL kids, yet people say that JDL has not been good for developing a greater pool of talented players.

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    Moved a bunch of posts here and renamed the thread to cater for pre-academy conversations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Brew View Post
    Sounds like you are describing one team playing long ball tactics to get the win, while the other team played possession football to help develop their skills and not worrying about the scoreline. That sounds like what most academies do at the junior level.
    Hate to disappoint your well run out theory but Jets don't have the necessary variation that I've seen when i lived in Sydney and watching some their Academy teams.

    True theyre not perfect either but the gve culture isnt a good fit for developing youth.

    Being 5th in NPl isnt down to the coaching. These kids are talented enough to be there.

    Theres one lad who should definitively be in the jets 13s but isn't. Does he not know the "right" crowd?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastwest View Post
    Theres one lad who should definitively be in the jets 13s but isn't. Does he not know the "right" crowd?
    This is a tough sell. I don't think there is any one player that stands out above and beyond the rest of the TSP cohort or any single player that is obviously better than a player already selected in their position.

    I personally think you could interchange many of the jets and TSP kids and not see much of a difference at all. I do not agree that replacing any individual is going to make a significant improvement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastwest View Post
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    Theres one lad who should definitively be in the jets 13s but isn't. Does he not know the "right" crowd?
    Was watching some Will John (US international, son of a Nigerian International) videos the other week, while pretending to be busy at work and one comment he made struck out, was along the lines of, 'nothing is fair in football or life, you just have to persevere and find ways around the roadblocks, if you really want it'...he called out specifically other people getting opportunities who aren't as good as others missing out, favours, people linked to clubs, etc...which is pretty obvious, but still the acknowledgement made me feel better

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