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    They should declare draws, results are not imperative at this level, play offs should be abandoned, this age group should be development only, not results driven

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverRed View Post
    They should declare draws, results are not imperative at this level, play offs should be abandoned, this age group should be development only, not results driven
    While I understand the sentiment its not how it works.It was decided that results do matter from 13s and up and with promotion/relegation in play the results will determine which level the clubs play at for the rest of the year which in its own way is best for the kids development.With 18s being included in this group it means that results at their age matter as well because they are one step away from seniors and whether we like it or not clubs do start at the top of Div 1 and work their way down when it comes to recruiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverRed View Post
    play offs should be abandoned
    Are you saying dont play finals in youth?

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    [QUOTE=Game_over;280952]This is what I see as the biggest disadvantage to the mid season reshuffle, the same thing happened last year with teams having to jam in games mid week on consecutive weeks, not only over working the boys, but also parents and volunteers. Could just be Div1 and Div2 home and away with 2 up and 2 down at the end of the season to start the next season. It would still achieve Northerns desired competitive outcome with way less hassle.[/QUOTE
    Only 1 club really suffered out of the forced draw last year, that was Olympic (they missed the club championship because of that)...5 draws recorded against NL and finished 2nd by 3 pts (I think it was)

    Div 2 and 3 reset of course

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    Quote Originally Posted by WOW2.0 View Post
    Only 1 club really suffered out of the forced draw last year, that was Olympic (they missed the club championship because of that)...5 draws recorded against NL and finished 2nd by 3 pts (I think it was)
    I understand that both NL and Olympic were told to look to move the games to play midweek before the deluge and both clubs weren't interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sapdad View Post
    Are you saying dont play finals in youth?
    Then ask him if he thinks finals should be abandoned at the 1st grade level across all 5 comps and just go on who finishes first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sapdad View Post
    Are you saying dont play finals in youth?
    Correct

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverRed View Post
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    I always find this interesting.Pretty much every sport out there has some sort of winning/finals/competition element to it from the earliest possible age.From martial arts/tennis/golf/basketball/waterpolo you name it they all have a much greater competition element to them than football.Yet our sport is always the one that 'takes itself too seriously'.Being involved in JDL I absolutely agree that the program is better for not having tables and finals*,but the age we set for our sport to introduce the official competitive element is 13s and I think its more than appropriate.





    *just remember if parents/kids want to have scoreboards and finals at those younger ages there is an option for them as well.I like that between community and JDL we cater to both options.

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    Im hearing from a few clubs the season has gone back to only one round of games for stage 2 again like last year due to the weather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sapdad View Post
    Im hearing from a few clubs the season has gone back to only one round of games for stage 2 again like last year due to the weather.
    hearing the same. Disappointing
    "It is not that I am afraid to die; its just that I don't want to be there when it happens" - Woody Allen

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    I just wish they put a solid end date on phase 1 and told clubs any games that couldnt be caught up were going to be decided on PPG and got on with it.Only 1 club will be left out due to phase 1 not being decided this way.The extension of phase 1 has made the original plan for phase 2 untenable.One round for phase 2 but 2 legged semis fits the time frame for ground availability.And no,double headers are off the table after last years issues and playing extra mid week games leaves no room for washouts for phase 2.They cant start the season any earlier and are obviously on and end date to hand grounds back.Try again next year I suppose.

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    It's a shame, but the weather has been extraordinary. Two legged SF is decent though - I have always liked the home and away model

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    Quote Originally Posted by sapdad View Post
    I just wish they put a solid end date on phase 1 and told clubs any games that couldnt be caught up were going to be decided on PPG and got on with it.Only 1 club will be left out due to phase 1 not being decided this way.The extension of phase 1 has made the original plan for phase 2 untenable.One round for phase 2 but 2 legged semis fits the time frame for ground availability.And no,double headers are off the table after last years issues and playing extra mid week games leaves no room for washouts for phase 2.They cant start the season any earlier and are obviously on and end date to hand grounds back.Try again next year I suppose.
    Should've been what they done, just end this weekend, declare it as PPG and then all of Phase 2 could still get in. As it is looking, looks like Phase 1 may still be decided on PPG anyway.

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    Cutting phase 2 is a joke. NNSW could have made it happen. Theyre too lazy and arrogant to do their job properly. Well done idiots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Addios View Post
    Cutting phase 2 is a joke. NNSW could have made it happen. Theyre too lazy and arrogant to do their job properly. Well done idiots.
    They wanted to extend Phase 2 all the way till the end of October. Majority of clubs pushed back and said no, so the alternative was to go with the old system, but add the two leg semi-final and also an additional game for those teams that miss finals.

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    Very dissapointing to hear if true. Yep, should have cut phase 1 now and base off ppg system. To basically sacrifice phase 2 for phase 1 grading system is stupid.
    So once again teams in B and C comps for phase 2 get a 7 game competition.

    Any thoughts to put on a league cup type competition then to give some meaningful games?. They could do a league cup for each individual A, B and C. Would only be in a pool of 8, so quarter, semi and final meaning 3 extra games for the finalists and something extra to play for besides a 7 game sprint.

    I mean last year they tried to do an overall Cup competition which fell away after the first round without even a word on why it was scrapped (i assume weather related).

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    Just seen Newcastle football made the decision to call off the whole round given conditions.
    What are the chances northern makes same call this weekend given how many pyl, and jdl kids would been in affected areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Box2Box View Post

    I mean last year they tried to do an overall Cup competition which fell away after the first round without even a word on why it was scrapped (i assume weather related).
    Yes was dropped after Round 2 because of weather and needing to fit in games.

    It was scrapped entirely this year to get in the expanded Phase 2.

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    Completely agree.
    The 2 phase season doesn?t work.
    With decoupling there is no reason that we need to start with 2 groups of 12. Just schedule a 3 tier competition with 21 games and either 1 up 1 down pro/rel or a 4 team playoff for top and bottom 2. Incorporate 2 leg semis and finals in the top tier to satisfy the original stated aim of more meaningful games. We can?t keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

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    Completely agree.
    The 2 phase season doesn?t work.
    With decoupling there is no reason that we need to start with 2 groups of 12. Just schedule a 3 tier competition with 21 games and either 1 up 1 down pro/rel or a 4 team playoff for top and bottom 2. Incorporate 2 leg semis and finals in the top tier to satisfy the original stated aim of more meaningful games. We can?t keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
    Agree with this, this is the second season in a row that the end of phase 1 has caused utter chaos. Not to mention the fact that families and volunteers have no idea what the schedule is for the second half of the year.

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