North Coast has lost their technical director (Greg Brown - ex Matildas coach) and numbers are considerably down this year, especially in the older age groups. I suspect the impressive results they had last year will not be repeated this year. It is amazing how many talented kids give it away when the reach the U15/U16 level. 10 hour return bus trips every second week doesn't help with retention rates.
Happens in Newcastle a bit too, kids get jobs, girlfriends/boyfriends, other interests, prefer to focus on school and all of a sudden they just want to kick around with their mates.
A lot of this is down to the random draw putting strong teams against the not so strong. My mates son plays in the Adamstown team and his son told him that at training Thursday night before they played Edgeworth. Some players said they were just going to pull out sick or injured. Not the right attitude but it's what happens when these results are a givenOriginally Posted by Game_over
I don't know how, or why they do it TBH
I don't even like going up there once a year!
Curious on this ref question, SAPDAD mentioned $50 (for the day I assume)...is that all they get?
If so, maybe some give it away because they simply found better weekend jobs, for more money.
There is a documentary on YouTube about the German development system, one interesting stat it showed was that of those who make it to the Bundesliga, very few received any specialist/academy training before they were aged 16/17 (despite them having their own versions of SAP/JDL from 5 or so)
I think it's hard for those teenagers who have been on the path for a long time, and sacrificed a lot, boredom, pressure, other interests...perhaps a realisation for many that it was dad's (or mum's) dream more than theirs...all contributing factors.
Link to the German documentary: https://youtu.be/3beI0f8G-3A?si=rnaEV9okCSdZKq7t
Obviously anecdotal evidence here, but that’s a poor attitude imo. Coaches/parents should be helping develop a better outlook for these kids. Nobody likes losing - but it’s how you build to the game. If you’ve got kids not wanting to play, that’s a red flag for me. Part of this program should be to instill some discipline, professionalism and a positive attitude.
I can understand dropping your heads mid game when it’s obviously not going to plan - but to essentially give up before you even start is a sad state of affairs.
$46-80 to referee PYL (half to be assistant). Perhaps somebody could offer more insight, but I’d almost imagine they would split the 5 games into 2 groups rotate so most refs get 1 x centre, 2 x AR.
Assuming 3 games - best outcome if you centre the 18s game and assistant for the 2 prior - $150. (11:45 -5:15 - 5.5 hours $27/hr)
Worst case you’re the junior and ref the 13s - $104 (8:30-1:30 - 5 hours - $20/hr).
Very rough estimates….
2024 NNSW referee fees.
https://www.northernnswfootball.com....%20Matches.pdf
Yes your numbers are pretty spot on.The older the age group you get the money goes up incrementally.You get about half of a centre fee to run lines so if a kid does 1 centre and 2 lines its usually $100-$150 a day.That money is also tax free at all ages (not that any 14 year olds are going over the tax free threashold)but its probably one of the better paying weekend jobs young kids can get.Then you need to factor in ages (they dont want kids reffing teams they play against) so ideally you get a 14 yr old doing 13's,15 doing 14's etc.Problems arise when the lack of 17/18/19 year old refs means that older age groups get either younger refs centering games or no refs at all.Most weekends my sons will get 3 games but there has also been days when late notice cancellations see them get asked to head up to Weston or out to Edgy for one game.A lot of kids wont see the value in it and not bother.
I did hear that they are opening up the referee pool for NPL refs over the age of 16 to start doing ZPL matches.Im sure it used to be a separate pool so by combining them it should get more refs at those ages and above more experience.I dont know what the refereeing situation has been like in ZPL but I certainly noticed the interpretations are a lot different to NPL when I watch.It will be good for refs to see another style of game.
And now back to the football before we end up 'there' again.On the Adamstown situation,they lost a whole team 2 years ago and had to play one grade short.I know everyone likes to blame the big clubs for poaching their best players but maybe theres more to it.
Yes there is a bigger underlying problem and it is that there are too many clubs allowed to have JYL and JDL teams. All NNSW has done is take off the community shirt and give them an NPL shirt and there are not enough kids and also not enough coaches, then jack the prices up from $250 @ community to $1250 to play NPL and pretend the competition is better which was proven by all the lopsided scores on the weekend.
A couple lopsided scores in one weekend proves nothing.
If you look at the stats from the number of lopsided scores during the NPL and NL1 boys days to PYL boys days has dramatically dropped
I do agree with your JDL point though and from 2026 it is going to be worse when they start allowing community clubs to have JDL teams
There are plenty of decent coaches. Its just that many arent willing to put up with dodgy club politics so let it go.
You should know how it goes in many clubs.
No kid should be reffing at or above their age for mine. My opinion.
A 16/17 yo reffing ZL is setting up for failure. Just facts.
Curious as to the final cup games. Makes sense now.
13 14 15 16 18 T
N Coast 6 6 9 9 9 39
Edgewor 7 9 9 6 6 37
Valentine 7 6 6 9 9 37
Olympic 6 7 9 9 4 35
Broadm 7 7 7 7 7 35
Lambton 7 7 7 7 4 32
Maitland 9 7 4 4 7 31
Lake Mac 9 9 6 3 3 30
mid coast 6 6 6 4 0 22
weston 3 3 3 4 9 22
southy 4 6 4 4 4 22
New Lamb 6 6 1 1 6 20
Belswans 6 4 4 2 4 20
charlest 3 4 4 4 4 19
cookers 0 0 6 6 6 18
cessnock 3 1 4 6 3 17
Adamst 4 3 1 0 6 14
Inland 3 3 4 4 0 14
West Walls 3 3 3 0 3 12
Toronto 4 4 1 1 1 11
kahibah 1 1 2 2 2 8
singo 0 0 1 0 3 4
wallsend 0 0 0 na 3 3
thornton 0 1 0 0 0 1
Washouts skewed this table. Makes for some interesting fourth round match ups
Surprise surprise North Coast have to travel to Newcastle again after finishing first. What happened to this NNSW? Over promise, under deliver as usual.
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To be fair, this weekend isn't a group stage match, it's the final.
Dude, really? 2 of the 3 'group' games away, top of the table, and now away again. I get it, many Hunter peeps don't want the regional teams in PYL, but if you are going to take our fees etc., make it fair.
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