You don't have to travel that far to pay that kind of money. Our friends down the F3 have reportedly just put their junior rego's up from $1100 a season to $1800 for this season!!! WTFOriginally Posted by Gary Fish
You don't have to travel that far to pay that kind of money. Our friends down the F3 have reportedly just put their junior rego's up from $1100 a season to $1800 for this season!!! WTF
I didn't realise that the FFA took anything tbh. I figured the majority of the money is sent to the organising body, such as the Interdistrict Board. What I was suggesting was that the FFA introduce an initiative to help reduce fees, as well as have a look at how the fees are structured. Surely, for example big clubs around Newcastle, such as Lambton, Southy, Adamstown, Valentine etc don't need $1,800 per player*. Nor would smaller clubs like Dungog need such high fees.
Agree with your point that there is no incentive for clubs to reduce fees to help get more people involved, not that some clubs don't already do that, but there is nothing in it for them. As for the way things are running ATM, I think this links into the high fees. Some people are very happy with their roles within clubs and possibly do get paid some amount that is taken directly from the rego fees.** Personally I think that's not on. I know the majority of people involved are volunteers but they shouldn't be lining their pockets from amateur football, everyone in it should be in it for the love of the game.
I'm thinking I may chase this up with Lambton Jaffas JFC (my local club).
*Not that I'm saying they are ATM, just hypothetical.
** Nor am I saying that some do, just throwing out a possibility.
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just to clarify - here's the fee breakdown for 2013 for Newcastle Football
2013 NF Fees.jpg
these $1800 fees are for elite players - and I agree they're too high - but it's not the associations running things that are to blame
And of course the whingers like Thomas, who always ark up over rego fees, will ask "why isn't the rego fee $182". They never seem to remember that the club has to pay thousands to council for ground hire, for referees, replace jerseys every couple of years, buy new balls and training equipment, upgrade lights etc. No, it's all just volunteers lining their pockets. This is so typical of the want everything for nothing attitude that seems to pervade local sport and results in a few volunteers invariably shouldering a huge workload.
for 6-12's - Scrap the $11 to ffa, if they cant run the show from current incoming $ from fox, gates, chook raffles they should come to a local club for training
All ages - Scrap the fking gst to follow up govt initiatives for people to get healthy and not sitting around plotting robberies.
What does the insurance cover? Liability injury on public grounds? cause you get fa for medical expenses.
What's the go with council ground hire?
What is NF? Does this mean the $30-$40 goes to the club or to NF for even distribution?
newcastle football? not the forum though unfortunately (unless crooky and the other mods are lining their pockets).
Agree that FFA shouldn't be sucking money out of the grassroots, compare it to AFL who pour millions into their Auskick program. Sure AFL have a huge war chest (as well as the strategy and forward thinking to use it effectively) that FFA can only dream of, but with the increased TV money FFA will hopefully take their hands out of participant's pockets.
Nothing can be done with the GST, and it's not a major part of the cost anyway.
IMO the insurance is a rort, unless things have changed since I was involved with Cooks Hill there's no way to avoid it, NNSWF force this cost upon players for minimal (if any) benefit, as you say reimbursement of medical expenses is crap and the income protection side of it is laughable too. I've always had my suspicions that NNSWF get some sort of kickback (sponsorship, reduced insurance cosets etc) from the insurer or broker for forcing players to pay for it.
Clubs have to pay council for ground hire, light usage etc. The amounts vary depending on the quality/level of the ground, how much you're using it, whether it's juniors or seniors etc. It was a not insignificant amount.
NF is newcastle Football, that goes toward their costs of administering comps etc.
People will say why don't you run a canteen, run raffles, sell merchandise to pay for these costs, but in my experience the room clears pretty quickly when you ask for volunteers to run those things.
Mate, where the **** have I whinged about Rego costs? All I'm saying is that if you reduce fees you will get more people playing and clubs should be doing their best to decrease fees as much as they can as to attract more players, that should be obvious to anyone. And for the two clubs I've played for, I think they've been very reasonable, especially given clubs like Lambton offer discounts for other family members playing. I also realise the huge amount of time and effort that goes into running these clubs and I have the upmost respect for anyone who does shoulder a lot of the work
I am not on any committee of any club, so I could not give an accurate number for rego fees and I will leave that up to the club committees. I realise that the clubs have a fair bit of overhead like council grounds, kits etc. As for refs, that gets paid each week as far as my experiences go (some clubs may include fees each week in their rego costs). However, as for the replacement lights, wouldn't that be councils job? So how about you calm the **** down? I was not having a go at anyone, my main point was that clubs should be trying to reduce fees while still having enough to cover operating costs (and have a bit spare incase anything goes pear shaped) so they can get more people involved. That's all.
And for the record, I'm also one of the volunteers who help out on gamedays most weekends.
And cheers Boz.
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That certainly sounded like a whinge to me, especially combined with your posts about volunteers lining their pockets and clubs having no incentive to reduce fees. My humblest apologies if it wasn't.
Re your comments about refs, the refs association invoiced monthly for the games that had officials (apart from ID's refs who got paid on the day). Some clubs (try) to collect a few $ from each player each week and they'd presumably have lower rego fees, others include it in their rego fees.
As for lights, ground upgrades etc unless you're NHRU and can get NCC and the state government to fork out millions for a shmick new ground, grandstand and offices while only contributing a relative pittance, council s are going to want a contribution towards those costs. And rightfully so, the clubs are going to get the benefit.
No need for me to calm down, I'm simply educating you.
The word ELITE is my massive bug bear at the moment, we are branding things elite when in real terms they are clearly not. Perfect example is the 'Elite' U14's competition that is going to be run this season in NNSW. The only players that could loosely be called elite are those that have been selected into the Jets pathway (like I said loosely).
Clubs in Sydney charge the kids upwards of this type of money to funnel into their senior squad.
This is probably the wrong thread for the whole topic, but since it is started....
As for the ground/lights costs:
For Merewether United FC - for our use of Adamstown #5, the ground closest to the race course with the concrete cricket pitch in the middle of it, which also happens to be a crap wet weather ground we paid last season:
About $3000 in ground use fees, as our All age women and O35's teams train there. Last season no charge for juniors, this season there will be a charge for junior use as well.
About $4000 in lighting fees to council, as council own the lights at this ground. The light cost is about $2 per light per hour. So #5 has 6 lights so $12 per hour of use.
At our other ground - Myamblah, the club owns and maintains the lights, we pay for the electricity and replacing the lights when they go. We have to replace 2 for the coming season, they are worth about $2000 each. We paid about $2000 in electricity for the season.
The ground use fees at Myamblah are about the same, but the money here goes to the Myamblah Oval Board (which we effectively have control of) so we can then make sure the money is spent on maintaining the field.
In general over half of our rego fees are the NF/NNSW/FFA component. Then the ref costs (even for SSF games) shirt costs, trophies, ground costs etc use up most of the rest.
As a club with just over 500 registered players last season, we just broke even for the year.
I am obviously closely involved with the club.
Just looked up our (Merewether United FC) fees for this season, these include all ref fees.
U6-U7 $125 Includes their playing shirt this year.
U8-U11 $145
U12-U18 $195
Senior $325
These figures are up about $10 on last year, as we are planning to employ an administrator about 8 hours a week, as we do not have enough volunteers to effectively run the club. The intention is that they will do most of the "secretary/registrar" paperwork and generally make sure the volunteers that we do have are ogranised.
When I checked our fees last year, we were close to the lowest in our area.
Throw the word development in also for that matter.
My boy played u14's just last year, all up inc rego and kit/attire fees close to $650.00
Up until last season he played elsewhere since he was old enough to play and we never had to cough up over $ 150.00
I know many families with kids with just as much ability as my young bloke playing in lower divisions who would really struggle to pay those types of fees if at all.
I think a camp style could somehow level out the playing field of opportunity.
As for running junior clubs i am appalled that anybody would think anything negative toward these people. They work there ass off with so many responsibilities to attend to and quite often multiple roles through lack of volunteers. A lot more goes on behind the scenes not just on match day but monthly meetings outside of actual competition months.
I try and help out where i can but not even my contribution comes even close to what others happily put there hand up for time and time again. You would be surprised just how many around the clubs doing this work no longer have kids playing but still do it for the love of it. We should never take even the slightest swipe at these people.
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That's interesting, thank you LTTG. That seems fair enough to me. Seems that most of the amateur fees, bar "elite" and "development" squads are reasonable, and it's just for those teams where they get extra added onto what the average joe gets that the prices start going up. That seems fair enough to me, you get the better coaches, fields and gear so you should pay more. $1,800 worth? I cannot say, but you've got to expect higher costs for higher level teams.
As for Adamstown No. 5, I'll agree with you 100%. I trained and played at #4 and that was bad as well when it rained.
I agree 100% 380, and if it seems like I was, that was never my intention and I offer my apologies to anyone who thought I was.
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should I split this discussion of fees into it's own thread?
and I think that what the original tweet during the q&a was getting at. And some sort of "Nike chance" set up possibly leading to a point where aleague clubs could scout from. 'draft' probably wasn't the best term as it immediately send minds to think of the way tings work in the US.
All good for sure.
I am not ashamed to fess up that if it was not for a couple of good months at work i would have been battling to come up with the sort of money that was required for last season, otherwise it would have been back at his original club. The $ 150.00 a season club.
Over the last 5 or so years playing NBN, I have paid from $250-500 for the year. In comparison to amatuer fees, this includes the rego/insurance/refs + 2 training shirts, club shirt, shorts (2 pairs when the alternate shorts rule was in), 2 pairs of socks, club jacket and sometimes a jumper or drink bottle. We have access to Physios/strappers/masseuses, relatively good playing and training surfaces, good coaches, good equipment and a professional environment. If these State League clubs can offer $500 playing fee for the year, I don't see why some fees are up to $1800. Even $650 is a bit steep, especially considering they are 14.
I'd love to know where the extra $1,300 goes.
My memory is a bit fuzzy, but I am pretty sure the U14A rego fee at Magic last year was $300, and included a training strip, jacket and playing strip - minus the shirt.
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