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    Clubs still pound the pavement and do King Edward sessions!?!?!?!? Oh dear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EH9 View Post
    Clubs still pound the pavement and do King Edward sessions!?!?!?!? Oh dear.
    Spot on with your idea here. Newcastle football people (coaches, admin, NNSW etc) trying to produce better athletes as opposed to better footballers, since the dawn of time. How embarrassing. I am glad i never played football in this country as times.

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    OLympic with their physical Hoof ball style probably need that to prepare correctly for the season.

    Seriously what do you expect. Amateur teams at this level ain't in the business of developing Harry Kewell's etc. Basic job for them is to win State League games by whatever means necessary. Easy way to do that is run hard tackle hard kick hard and stay organised.

    Best thing that will happen to the State League will be the Jets Yoof dominating and winning the comp. May make a few of the clubs wake up and smell the coffee and devote a bit more effort to changing their ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    OLympic with their physical Hoof ball style probably need that to prepare correctly for the season.

    Seriously what do you expect. Amateur teams at this level ain't in the business of developing Harry Kewell's etc. Basic job for them is to win State League games by whatever means necessary. Easy way to do that is run hard tackle hard kick hard and stay organised.

    Best thing that will happen to the State League will be the Jets Yoof dominating and winning the comp. May make a few of the clubs wake up and smell the coffee and devote a bit more effort to changing their ways.
    All state league clubs cram a bit of fitness work in early on especially before the trials start...as the season rolls on work is done with ball at feet.FFA guidelines sound great but even though most 1st graders get some payment it really is a amateur comp.They don't play and train all year round so you need to get some fitness in early on cause there's always a few who do very little in the off season.
    As for yoof winning the comp,so they should...really should be playing in the sydney comp next year if you want to test them
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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    OLympic with their physical Hoof ball style probably need that to prepare correctly for the season.

    Seriously what do you expect. Amateur teams at this level ain't in the business of developing Harry Kewell's etc. Basic job for them is to win State League games by whatever means necessary. Easy way to do that is run hard tackle hard kick hard and stay organised.

    Best thing that will happen to the State League will be the Jets Yoof dominating and winning the comp. May make a few of the clubs wake up and smell the coffee and devote a bit more effort to changing their ways.
    I can assure you that most NBN teams do have an interest in developing players to play at a higher level, your "harry kewels" you talk about dont come along everyday so its bit harsh comparing players from the NBN league to him, most coaches in the NBN league are quite good at what they do and with a little help from NNSWF they may get an opportunity to coach the jets youth, please tell me of Clayton Zane's success as a coach, zero no doubt, jobs for the boys I'd say. Your comment in regards to clubs "waking up and smelling the coffee" is way of the mark, why do they need to change their ways, most NBN clubs play attractive football for this competition, as for the jets youth dominating, what I have seen and heard they will be called Sydney Jets Youth this season, theres your first problem.Your comments reek of ignorance to local football and I suggest you do more research before labeling State League clubs of not setting a standard as I can assure you the effort put in by most clubs ridicule your comments

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverRed View Post
    I can assure you that most NBN teams do have an interest in developing players to play at a higher level, your "harry kewels" you talk about dont come along everyday so its bit harsh comparing players from the NBN league to him, most coaches in the NBN league are quite good at what they do and with a little help from NNSWF they may get an opportunity to coach the jets youth, please tell me of Clayton Zane's success as a coach, zero no doubt, jobs for the boys I'd say. Your comment in regards to clubs "waking up and smelling the coffee" is way of the mark, why do they need to change their ways, most NBN clubs play attractive football for this competition, as for the jets youth dominating, what I have seen and heard they will be called Sydney Jets Youth this season, theres your first problem.Your comments reek of ignorance to local football and I suggest you do more research before labeling State League clubs of not setting a standard as I can assure you the effort put in by most clubs ridicule your comments
    Forever Red if you feel the way NBN Clubs are doing things is the right way then you are suffering from some delusion.

    All of them are playing second fiddle to the Magic Club who lets remember only arrived in NBN Level in 1995. Since then they have gone from homeless playing out of a borrowed Adamstown Oval to having their own wonderful facility that shites on all other clubs in the region, have had wonderful on field success and have provided a base for juniors such as Kanta / Hoole/soon to be Kale stepping into the Jets XI.

    What have the rest of the clubs been doing in this time frame?? Standing still treading water and going backwards

    Nearly every other club has a pile of blokes playing first grade who ain't there for their technical ability. Blokes who are 6ft>> 6ft 6inches tall, 80>90kgs big strong and fast. Basically players with good physical attributes and athletically inclined. Half of these blokes are technically poor but get away masquerading as First Grade players by running hard, tackling hard and physically dominating more technical types. As you go down the grades you will see these type of players gaining advancement and usually at the expense of kids who have some technical ability but ain't that physically gifted. The real technically gifted are fast tracked through the grades but it is these kids the ones who have some of the technical ability
    but maybe not the physical gifts that get left behind.

    This is the fault of no one other than the coaching departments of clubs. They are the ones who reward physical development over technical skills. Actually it isn't not just there fault it is also the fault of the committees who continue to select the coaches who have deluded old time philosophies and aren't taking a modern approach to this.

    To say that most NBN sides play attractive football outside of Magic/ Jets Yoof who else does??? Cause all I seen last season was teams full of hacks chopping in and playing garbage level HOOFball???

    Also if the Jets Yoof team are having to supplement players from the Sydney region to fill the squad doesn't that suggest the development programs at NBN Clubs are shit and not producing the talent??

    Maybe a reality check for some of these clubs is needed to give them the kick up the arse required to raise their standards

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    you truly do believe you know more about coaching than state league coaches and more about administration than state league committees. It is you who are delusional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    Forever Red if you feel the way NBN Clubs are doing things is the right way then you are suffering from some delusion.

    All of them are playing second fiddle to the Magic Club who lets remember only arrived in NBN Level in 1995. Since then they have gone from homeless playing out of a borrowed Adamstown Oval to having their own wonderful facility that shites on all other clubs in the region, have had wonderful on field success and have provided a base for juniors such as Kanta / Hoole/soon to be Kale stepping into the Jets XI.

    What have the rest of the clubs been doing in this time frame?? Standing still treading water and going backwards

    Nearly every other club has a pile of blokes playing first grade who ain't there for their technical ability. Blokes who are 6ft>> 6ft 6inches tall, 80>90kgs big strong and fast. Basically players with good physical attributes and athletically inclined. Half of these blokes are technically poor but get away masquerading as First Grade players by running hard, tackling hard and physically dominating more technical types. As you go down the grades you will see these type of players gaining advancement and usually at the expense of kids who have some technical ability but ain't that physically gifted. The real technically gifted are fast tracked through the grades but it is these kids the ones who have some of the technical ability
    but maybe not the physical gifts that get left behind.

    This is the fault of no one other than the coaching departments of clubs. They are the ones who reward physical development over technical skills. Actually it isn't not just there fault it is also the fault of the committees who continue to select the coaches who have deluded old time philosophies and aren't taking a modern approach to this.

    To say that most NBN sides play attractive football outside of Magic/ Jets Yoof who else does??? Cause all I seen last season was teams full of hacks chopping in and playing garbage level HOOFball???

    Also if the Jets Yoof team are having to supplement players from the Sydney region to fill the squad doesn't that suggest the development programs at NBN Clubs are shit and not producing the talent??

    Maybe a reality check for some of these clubs is needed to give them the kick up the arse required to raise their standards
    Magic have been around a lot longer than that. They were known at one time as Hamilton Red Star, but later changed names mainly (other reasons as well) as Red Star implied Serbian not macedonian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    Forever Red if you feel the way NBN Clubs are doing things is the right way then you are suffering from some delusion.

    All of them are playing second fiddle to the Magic Club who lets remember only arrived in NBN Level in 1995. Since then they have gone from homeless playing out of a borrowed Adamstown Oval to having their own wonderful facility that shites on all other clubs in the region, have had wonderful on field success and have provided a base for juniors such as Kanta / Hoole/soon to be Kale stepping into the Jets XI.

    What have the rest of the clubs been doing in this time frame?? Standing still treading water and going backwards

    Nearly every other club has a pile of blokes playing first grade who ain't there for their technical ability. Blokes who are 6ft>> 6ft 6inches tall, 80>90kgs big strong and fast. Basically players with good physical attributes and athletically inclined. Half of these blokes are technically poor but get away masquerading as First Grade players by running hard, tackling hard and physically dominating more technical types. As you go down the grades you will see these type of players gaining advancement and usually at the expense of kids who have some technical ability but ain't that physically gifted. The real technically gifted are fast tracked through the grades but it is these kids the ones who have some of the technical ability
    but maybe not the physical gifts that get left behind.

    This is the fault of no one other than the coaching departments of clubs. They are the ones who reward physical development over technical skills. Actually it isn't not just there fault it is also the fault of the committees who continue to select the coaches who have deluded old time philosophies and aren't taking a modern approach to this.

    To say that most NBN sides play attractive football outside of Magic/ Jets Yoof who else does??? Cause all I seen last season was teams full of hacks chopping in and playing garbage level HOOFball???

    Also if the Jets Yoof team are having to supplement players from the Sydney region to fill the squad doesn't that suggest the development programs at NBN Clubs are shit and not producing the talent??

    Maybe a reality check for some of these clubs is needed to give them the kick up the arse required to raise their standards
    Not once did I mention magic in my post , please bat off over magic in the privacy of your home, do you know the ball is round, bugger me

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    speaking of fitness training - here's some literature from the FFA curriculum

    http://www.footballfedvic.com.au/fil...ce_version.pdf

    http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/...099-source.pdf

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    Players should take responsibility and be out pounding the pavement & hitting the gym during the off-season (Oct/Nov/Dec) and turn up fit to train come pre-season. That would allow the coaches to put more time into skills, tactics and match specific training during the pre-season instead of having to whip 3 months of booze out of people in 4-6weeks. Second to that teams at the top level should be training 3x a week + a recovery session but that is a whole nother story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    Players should take responsibility and be out pounding the pavement & hitting the gym during the off-season (Oct/Nov/Dec) and turn up fit to train come pre-season. That would allow the coaches to put more time into skills, tactics and match specific training during the pre-season instead of having to whip 3 months of booze out of people in 4-6weeks. Second to that teams at the top level should be training 3x a week + a recovery session but that is a whole nother story.
    Isn't that the Jets, not the pub league big fish in a little pond State League?

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    Oh that's right. A-league teams don't fitness work. Ya never see the jets at blackbutt!!

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    is it worth splitting a lot of these posts into a pre-season fitness thread?

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    The Foz guide to Preseason Fitness.. Yeah split it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by goaliepersempre View Post
    The Foz guide to Preseason Fitness.. Yeah split it...
    what would a GK know bout fitness lol
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    im not a fan of the whole 'running laps" for preseason, first thing youd wanna do is get the feel for the ball again right? so why not start with the basics aka passing, shooting dribbling etc?
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    Football training time is limited so should be spent on football skills as much as possible, hence turning up fit to train. If you need it you can go for a run on your own time if you need it.
    In my experience the guys who turn up early for pre-season are usually the ones who don't need to be running laps anyway.

    Oh and Goalies are the fitness gurus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    Oh and Goalies are the fitness gurus.
    Amen brother. It's tough to stand up and not do anything for 90mins

    On the topic, my club started training in December with ball skills, doubt we'll actually do any running laps for another month or two, if at all. We generally just play a game and get fit that way.
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    haha oh so funny guys, you can come to a keeper fitness session if you like :P

    Shouldnt you be happy that I want this to be proactive.. Keeper should be just as fit as field players. I know some have alot of work to do....

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