Plastic FanOriginally Posted by pv4
Plastic Fan
The FFA stuffed up finding out who the plastic fans really were. One more season of Tinks and Stubbins would have established the fan pecking order.Plastic Fan
Need 10,000 wurtzite boron nitride fans at least.
So, HTFU to the max Newie!
Any word on the return of monster trucks to EAS?
May as well go two feet up on us.
This interview kind of worried me, hence the reply I put on facebook about it.
Basically, we have Mitchell Murphy telling us that the jets admin team are raring to go with great ideas on building a great club with great community engagement.
But here is the thing. They've been pretty bad at it to date. They've particularly been bad at letting supporters voice their opinions on what they want out of THEIR club. So history doesn't confirm what he was saying. I mean, was Tinkler's shadow so large that he stopped all staff from wanting to listen to supporters?
The other thing that concerns me is that supporters have no avenue for discussing issues outside of the proposed "supporter forum" that the FFA will hold. So how are we meant to get our heads around what is truly important, and what points Gallop really needs to hear? It's like supporters will once again be managed down the road that other people want them to go down. To me, there should be supporter forum after supporter forum until the guys in charge understand what is important to fans. There should be mass meetings and one on one meetings and meetings with the supporters committee. And there should be an online forum for people to speak where they know that club representatives and FFA representatives will read what people have to say. Otherwise, as Mitchell Murphy says, these "great staff" with "great ideas" will get the job of creating their version of a "great club", whether or not it is what supporters want.
Anyone got any ideas on a way forward with this? Should a new section of this forum be opened specifically for this issue and it be publicised on facebook, in the Herald Comments etc so that people who do not normally frequent this forum can put down their points? Or is a facebook page enough? I think something more needs to happen and it needs to be something that the club and the FFA are willing to take seriously.
The supporters all have the members sub-committee, which fans (not just members) can leave feedback on Facebook, forums, Twitter or through the club direct. That's another avenue and as you've seen we've already been in touch with the club.
And while a degree of caution is understandable how about we give the FFA a chance to run the forum before we judge. They've told us one is going to happen over the coming weeks. I'd take that as fair warning to start thinking about the points is like to ask at this forum. It doesn't matter what Gallop wants to hear - it's about what you want to raise.
And yeah I get the feeling the admin team had very very lean budgets which meant any free engagement or Big Bang for little buck ideas were implemented.
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Jeterpool,
The main issue I had with Robbie Middleby was that you don't need a budget to make people feel included. You don't need a budget to make people feel valued. That is a function of the human spirit and how willing you are to give and to share what you have.
Whether or not you have the money to implement people's ideas, it costs no money to say - "that's a good idea, we just can't afford it now". I would suggest that there are lots of ideas out there that don't cost any money. In fact, I personally would never propose an idea to the club that wasn't either cost neutral or would make them money, because you can't expect a loss making A-League club to keep chipping in bucks for things. ideas can just about coordinating ways for people to have more fun. There is also value in letting people just being heard, with the only objective of developing an understanding - of what happened to KB United, what happened to the Rowdies, etc. etc. About what it means to be a supporter of football in this town.
When I worked for the club, after coming out of the Squadron, you know what question I was asked time and again by people within the club? "What do the supporters think?" And I would answer, well, I think it would be this or that, but why don't you ask them yourself, they aren't people you should be scared of. And I think over time people did develop an organic relationship with supporters.
Has the sub-committee published what it is doing for supporters in the lead up to this series of forums? Or what it wants from supporters now that the club has gone? I'm not criticising, I just think people need a way forward.
This is not for myself, I've already shot an email off to David Gallop. I just want to stress the point that we've got ONE chance to get this right.
I just get this eerie feeling that we are in a time of such HUGE change and opportunity and all we are talking about is player recruitment and whether or not Stubbins is gone.
And for the record, I'm not really judging the FFA or the club. The FFA are going with what worked for them with WSW and the club is just being the club. I am simply saying that at this initial stage, no supporter consultation has occurred. And I am concerned that supporters will not be coordinated enough to form positions around important issues if they aren't talking about it now. The supporters committee has a role to play but this situation is bigger than a run of the mill process. This is like a revolution and the people should be heard by as many channels as we are willing to create.
Last edited by tha_hauss; 26-05-2015 at 04:58 PM.
Stubbins sacked!!!
Someone get this man on a football advisory board - stat!
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I don't know if Gav has passed it on, however I did send something through which is similar to what Haus is taking about with the sub-committee. Agree entirely that they need to be a focal point, a central point of reference for a unified supporter base ensuring that the way they want their club is run is adhered to.
A level of responsibility now needs to be held for those who put their hand up to be on that committee. They, if they like it or not are the supporters representatives. With their current position they owe it to the rest of the fan base to grow on what they have already gained.
A physical supporters group, who elects representatives to meet with the club could, one day, form the basis of a supporter owned club. The time is now to start that movement.
Go jetties
this is what I was eluding to when our sub committee was recently in negotiations.
Your issue was passed on and is being discussed.
I didn't have very large doubts. Just tiny ones. Thankyou at anyrate
Go jetties
In the herald today they mentioned that next season the jets will go back to training at the Uni. Bit disappointing because I would have thought the facilities at speers point would have been much better.
1. I'm sure Zane would have liked a chance to have some input before his sacking in January, Youngy & Packer too.Newcastle Jets Phil Stubbins: sacked coach has no ‘regrets’ about sacking players
Barry Toohey
The Daily Telegraph
May 26, 2015 10:52PM
SACKED Newcastle Jets coach Phil Stubbins says he has no regrets about the way he went about trying to turn the club into an A-League force next season despite it costing him his job.
Stubbins was given his marching orders on Tuesday by the FFA, almost a week after the governing body took over control of the Jets following the demise of former owner Nathan Tinkler.
After a season where the club managed just three wins from 27 games and took the wooden spoon, the FFA’s decision to axe the controversial coach hardly came as a surprise.
‘‘Clearly, the Jets had a difficult season and this was reflected in the position on the A-League table,’’ A-League boss Damien de Bohun said.
“But this decision is also driven by the desire in the Newcastle football community for a new beginning with the new club.’’
A new coach is set to be appointed as soon as possible and will be given the authority to appoint his own staff, leaving the futures of Stubbins’ assistants Mark Jones, James Pascoe and goalkeeping coach Jess Vanstrattan also under a cloud.
Stubbins, who claimed he wasn’t given an opportunity to have any input into a review of his position before his axing, admitted he knew his days as Jets coach were numbered the moment Tinkler rang him while he was in the UK on a scouting trip early last week.
“Nathan rang to tell me what he was doing and the realisation sank in pretty quickly there and then,” Stubbins said.
“Prior to that phone call, I was in a really good head space. Yes, it had been a really difficult season but we had made some tough decisions in regards to the roster after five years of struggle.
“I certainly wanted to make some changes given in the second year, we needed a team that could challenge the top clubs and we were well on the way to putting a very competitive squad together.
“But it is what it is and now, it’s not to be.”
Heading those changes were the highly controversial mid-season sacking of five senior players and three coaching staff after a player-led revolt against Stubbins was torpedoed by Tinkler.
The fallout left Stubbins as enemy number one with plenty of Jets fans.
Asked was he bitter with his treatment, Stubbins said there was no anger there at all.
“And I don’t regret anything I’ve done. It was done because I felt it had to be if the club was to be competitive in the A-League again. I still feel the same way.
“It is tough town Newcastle. I think the media needs to get behind the club and there just needs to be less negativity.
“The new lot who comes in is going to need support. Results are one thing but the way there is this constant bashing of everyone concerned is not healthy.
“It doesn’t create a good culture at the club and it doesn’t create trust when you are constantly reading and hearing the negative stuff.”
2. We literally have a dozen signed players, we are not well on our way to anything.
3. Hang on Phil let me go get my violin so you and Tinks can bitch about how the media didn't stroke your balls enough.
4.Perhaps the negativity came directly from your tactics Phil, I've never seen a bloke do more harm to a club in one season.
5.Geez can this bloke play the victim any more, I think the Herald deserves a medal for having enough restraint not to let the wolves loose sooner, in fact they are still shielding him from the rightful criticism of his thankfully brief career at the jets by not allowing any comments on their online articles for the past two days.
6.What the **** would Phil Stubbins know about trust, go ask Regan, Zane, Carney,Griff, Celeski, Ke..... **** it I don't have time to list all the poor bastards that were shafted by this weak individual.
7.I like the way how he refused to talk to the herald but was so willing to speak to the daily telegraph says alot about the bloke.
too right.
lolol... FFa said "we sacked Stubbins quickly so we can move forward" yessss
Fark Barry Toohey is beginning to shit me, when did he become Tinklers mouth piece.
The only positive from this is that Stubbins the whinging little bitch is owed money.FFA unlikely to cough up
By IAN KIRKWOOD
May 27, 2015, 10 p.m
FOOTBALL Federation Australia has said it is unlikely to put money into a deed of company arrangement to help pay the millions of dollars owed to Newcastle Jets’ creditors.
The association is instead expected to pay the creditors it needs to pay, such as ground owner Venues NSW and The Forum Sports and Aquatic Centre, where the players train and recover.
An updated list of Jets’ creditors shows debts of more than $23.7million – up from last week’s estimate of $20million – including about $17million to companies associated with former Jets licence holder Nathan Tinkler.
The biggest non-related creditor is the tax office, which is owed an estimated $2.9million, with almost $795,000 listed in unpaid superannuation guarantee payments.
The Newcastle Knights are listed as being owed $353,000, Venues NSW is owed $227,000 and former coach Phil Stubbins is in the books for $107,000. The Forum is owed $39,000.
Dozens of players are owed varying amounts, including $25,000 to Ben Kantarovski and $23,000 to Ben Kennedy.
As the Newcastle Herald reported last week, Mr Tinkler had agreed with administrator James Shaw of insolvency firm Shaw Gidley not to press for payment of any debts he was claiming from the club.
This agreement had been central to Mr Shaw’s plan to encourage FFA to put some of the money gained from an eventual sale of the Jets licence to a pool to pay the club’s mainly Hunter creditors.
But in a letter to Mr Shaw, FFA chief operating officer John Kelly said that ‘‘on the facts as it currently understands them is not considering participating in a deed of company arrangement’’.
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Mr Shaw had suggested the FFA use the financing of the NRL team the Titans as a model, but Mr Kelly said that was ‘‘an entirely different set of circumstances’’ and an approach that was not appropriate for the Jets.
Mr Kelly said the FFA would ‘‘of course deal with’’ Mr Shaw as the administrator of Newcastle Jets Football Operations Pty Ltd (Administrator Appointed) – the company that held the club’s A-League licence.
But Mr Kelly wanted to make sure creditors did not think the association was going to put any of the proceeds it may receive from a new owner of a Newcastle A-League team into a deed.
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/31...ugh-up/?cs=305
"The Forum is owed $39,000".
I vote we use it to buy that pool we always talked about.
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