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    REMO!!!!!!!!!!
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    No doubt will seek the counsel of Griff to unlock the secret to turning bread and fish into a feast for the people.

    Football is saved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung View Post
    “The game is not ready for a former player chair” - Foster.
    Foster is the kid at school who swears he dumped his girlfriend first.
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    And I don't argue with FR. The bloke is a legend and deserves great praise for his contributions to football in the Hunter.
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    and Lowy STILL having a cry on the way out.
    he can **** off and enjoy Daddys money now.
    its over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plague View Post
    REMO!!!!!!!!!!
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    Football is saved.

    Hail Griff, and Hail Remo.
    Happy Remo got on there but I dont think anything is changing any time soon

    The bloke who has been elected to replace Lowy

    Exactly what is his vision for the game??

    None

    Just Lowys lap dog continuing to run things

    If anything this whole farce has shown is how much these State Federations need to be smashed into a million pieces

    They are the biggest Cancer in Oz Football behind the PFA

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    Happy Remo got on there but I dont think anything is changing any time soon

    The bloke who has been elected to replace Lowy

    Exactly what is his vision for the game??

    None

    Just Lowys lap dog continuing to run things

    If anything this whole farce has shown is how much these State Federations need to be smashed into a million pieces

    They are the biggest Cancer in Oz Football behind the PFA
    No pi55 take here: Explain your opinion regarding the state federations and PFA.

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    https://www.abc.net.au/radio/canberr...kfast/10494688

    interview with heather reid on local ABC. Interview starts at 1:38:30.

    also a guardian article: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ity-of-purpose

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter403 View Post
    No pi55 take here: Explain your opinion regarding the state federations and PFA.
    The PFA are responsible for driving up wages so much so that we can not afford more teams as it requires millionaires to run a club in the HAL

    As a result of these excessive wages we are limited in potential HAL sides as the costs to run a club are so high the demand isnt there

    Add in to the equation that this also prevents us getting a second tier etc

    This all effects our ability to develop players and youth as it limits opportunity for players in general

    As a result the very thing that they are meant to be seeking opportunities for professional footballers are limited as they.actually pursue better conditions for the existing players

    So they more or less see the Hoffmans and Boogaards and Fitzgeralds on 6 figures whilst stifling the opportunities for all the 17/18 year olds out there to get into the comp

    So the PFA see us with a 3 million + Salary Cap mandated on all clubs when the reality is the money generated in the code isnt there for this figure

    If it was 50% of this figure we could have a 20 team top flight overnight and 2nd division and a 3rd divsion in no time what so ever

    But hey lets just keep the status quo and over psy players whilst sacrificing the codes potential development and s
    uccess

    As for the State Federations

    You do realise these pricks have had too much power for eons??
    Even before Lowy they were a scourge back in the old Soccer Australia days

    Before Lowy got the arse they still controlled Oz football with a ridiculous amount of the votes being in their hands
    Even with the changes and the introduction of the Fifa enforced chanfe that saw more groups involved they didnt really lose out.They still more or less control things

    Dont forget it is these clowns who elected the board yesterday
    It is these clowns who have run the game into the ground as they Rubber stamped Lowys shenanigans
    It is these clowns who went oyt of their way to stifle any change in the congress

    You want to see how short sighted and self interested these clowns are
    Many if them yesterday voted against upgrading the status of the Association of Australian Football Clubs (AAFC) along the procees so that sometime in the near future they can join the congress and vote as another interest group

    Exactly why they are doing this defies logic but more reflects their desire to not share power or allow growth of the game

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    You guys dont deserve the Aleague. You need the grubbiest mismanaged football the world has ever seen in the NSL.

    Then youd run back to the other sports quick as lightning like 98% of Australia did before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    The PFA are responsible for driving up wages so much so that we can not afford more teams as it requires millionaires to run a club in the HAL

    As a result of these excessive wages we are limited in potential HAL sides as the costs to run a club are so high the demand isnt there

    Add in to the equation that this also prevents us getting a second tier etc

    This all effects our ability to develop players and youth as it limits opportunity for players in general

    As a result the very thing that they are meant to be seeking opportunities for professional footballers are limited as they.actually pursue better conditions for the existing players

    So they more or less see the Hoffmans and Boogaards and Fitzgeralds on 6 figures whilst stifling the opportunities for all the 17/18 year olds out there to get into the comp

    So the PFA see us with a 3 million + Salary Cap mandated on all clubs when the reality is the money generated in the code isnt there for this figure

    If it was 50% of this figure we could have a 20 team top flight overnight and 2nd division and a 3rd divsion in no time what so ever

    But hey lets just keep the status quo and over psy players whilst sacrificing the codes potential development and s
    uccess

    As for the State Federations

    You do realise these pricks have had too much power for eons??
    Even before Lowy they were a scourge back in the old Soccer Australia days

    Before Lowy got the arse they still controlled Oz football with a ridiculous amount of the votes being in their hands
    Even with the changes and the introduction of the Fifa enforced chanfe that saw more groups involved they didnt really lose out.They still more or less control things

    Dont forget it is these clowns who elected the board yesterday
    It is these clowns who have run the game into the ground as they Rubber stamped Lowys shenanigans
    It is these clowns who went oyt of their way to stifle any change in the congress

    You want to see how short sighted and self interested these clowns are
    Many if them yesterday voted against upgrading the status of the Association of Australian Football Clubs (AAFC) along the procees so that sometime in the near future they can join the congress and vote as another interest group

    Exactly why they are doing this defies logic but more reflects their desire to not share power or allow growth of the game

    #****Em
    Appreciate your views and I can see where you are coming from.

    If we halved the figure in an effort to get 20 teams as you suggest, can we extrapolate that all players would take a 50% pay cut? If we do, do you think the likes of Petratos, Ugar and any number of better A league players would be here, or would they be off to some other Asian league where they can earn a lot more than here? What would the standard of your 20 team comp be like when every kid that wants more than $25k to play football (live on) packs his bag for India, Malaysia etc? Would supporters go? Would it get tv coverage?

    Again, not taking the pi55, just seeking your views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter403 View Post
    Appreciate your views and I can see where you are coming from.

    If we halved the figure in an effort to get 20 teams as you suggest, can we extrapolate that all players would take a 50% pay cut? If we do, do you think the likes of Petratos, Ugar and any number of better A league players would be here, or would they be off to some other Asian league where they can earn a lot more than here? What would the standard of your 20 team comp be like when every kid that wants more than $25k to play football (live on) packs his bag for India, Malaysia etc? Would supporters go? Would it get tv coverage?

    Again, not taking the pi55, just seeking your views.
    Of course the players aint gonna take a pay cut of that magnitude voluntarily

    Thing is we had that type of salary cap in Season 1 of the HAL and for some reason they have managed to double it in 13 years and I would doubt the quality of play crowds interest etc has increased that much

    Absolutely scandalous that they have got away with it

    As for players leaving here and going elsewhere for better money isnt that ideally what we want??

    The more guys that can **** off to Europe and get rich better experienced etc then ultimately.better for the Socceroos and to inspire the kids to be like Mooy Cahill Kewell etc

    What we have now is a welfare league where you have plenty of blokes just sucking a pay cheque out of it for 10/15 years aka Boogaard BK Hoffman etc who are plain well not good enough for O/S action

    This also has the effect of killing opportunity for younger players as spots for them just aint there like they should be

    Then you throw in the fact that our blokes can be well paid in the HAL and it doesnt motivate them to stick it out in Europe and make it

    Blokes like Birraz Goodwin Brillante etc can easily come back to HAL and pick up 6 figures when really they should be desperate to make the break through in Europe

    The current model is ****ed and has little benefit to anyone except acting as a welfare payment for the status quo in the league

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    Of course the players aint gonna take a pay cut of that magnitude voluntarily

    Thing is we had that type of salary cap in Season 1 of the HAL and for some reason they have managed to double it in 13 years and I would doubt the quality of play crowds interest etc has increased that much

    Absolutely scandalous that they have got away with it

    As for players leaving here and going elsewhere for better money isnt that ideally what we want??

    The more guys that can **** off to Europe and get rich better experienced etc then ultimately.better for the Socceroos and to inspire the kids to be like Mooy Cahill Kewell etc

    What we have now is a welfare league where you have plenty of blokes just sucking a pay cheque out of it for 10/15 years aka Boogaard BK Hoffman etc who are plain well not good enough for O/S action

    This also has the effect of killing opportunity for younger players as spots for them just aint there like they should be

    Then you throw in the fact that our blokes can be well paid in the HAL and it doesnt motivate them to stick it out in Europe and make it

    Blokes like Birraz Goodwin Brillante etc can easily come back to HAL and pick up 6 figures when really they should be desperate to make the break through in Europe

    The current model is ****ed and has little benefit to anyone except acting as a welfare payment for the status quo in the league
    I think the better option would be full disclosure of wages / remuneration like they do in the MLS.
    The reason for this is that full information is necessary for any market to function.
    Without prices being known the bargaining processes is inefficient and wages will not be a true reflection on the real value of a player.
    It will also weed out the ridiculously high wages some players are on and prop up those not being paid equitably.

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    Its a difficult position, we want our league to get better. But at the moment its stale...

    So many have tried it out in europe but are back within a year or so because they can get a cruisy job in the A league and have the image oh yeah i played in europe and boom theres a few extra $$...

    Sometimes the quality of play might not be that much better then in aus in the lower leagues... but the wealth of players/games played and the much higher pressure on results and performance... factor in why more players need to head OS.. this isnt Euro snobbery.. the best players in the world are in Europe period... thats the benchmark.

    Hell I look at some of the aussies in the swiss league... play alright for the first 2 months but then the pressure sets weather sucks still have to play and more games played and boom they dissapear...
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    Quote Originally Posted by goaliepersempre View Post
    Its a difficult position, we want our league to get better. But at the moment its stale...

    So many have tried it out in europe but are back within a year or so because they can get a cruisy job in the A league and have the image oh yeah i played in europe and boom theres a few extra $$...

    Sometimes the quality of play might not be that much better then in aus in the lower leagues... but the wealth of players/games played and the much higher pressure on results and performance... factor in why more players need to head OS.. this isnt Euro snobbery.. the best players in the world are in Europe period... thats the benchmark.

    Hell I look at some of the aussies in the swiss league... play alright for the first 2 months but then the pressure sets weather sucks still have to play and more games played and boom they dissapear...

    It is stale because the clowns at FFA have no plan on expansion
    It is stale because the clowns at FFA have no plan on achieving a second tier
    It is stale because the clowns at the FFA have no plan on allowing existing clubs in but would rather invite in created franchises

    This is how wank they are getting now that they are looking at conglomerates of areas and trying to create a club like they doing with SE Melbourne and Southern Expansion and will actually over look existing clubs and supporters

    This just shows that these clowns dont get it

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    It is stale because the clowns at FFA have no plan on expansion
    It is stale because the clowns at FFA have no plan on achieving a second tier
    It is stale because the clowns at the FFA have no plan on allowing existing clubs in but would rather invite in created franchises

    This is how wank they are getting now that they are looking at conglomerates of areas and trying to create a club like they doing with SE Melbourne and Southern Expansion and will actually over look existing clubs and supporters

    This just shows that these clowns dont get it
    It's actually stale because the league has been running for 13 years.

    All the people who watched 13 year (or so) ago, are us, and a few years younger, who are too old and shit to be good enough to play in the HAL.
    The kids (4-7) who watched 13 years ago, are just starting to be good enough (would be 17-20?) to get a look in at the HAL level.

    When we get a shit load more of these kids coming through, in a couple years, they will get runs in HAL clubs and will push people like Boogs, Hoff etc out, as they're just as good and half or one third the cost.

    This is when we'll have enough talent locally to have 15-20 top flight clubs. We don't have enough quality nationally to have 10 teams be competitive, let alone 20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roundball Enthusiast View Post
    It's actually stale because the league has been running for 13 years.

    All the people who watched 13 year (or so) ago, are us, and a few years younger, who are too old and shit to be good enough to play in the HAL.
    The kids (4-7) who watched 13 years ago, are just starting to be good enough (would be 17-20?) to get a look in at the HAL level.

    When we get a shit load more of these kids coming through, in a couple years, they will get runs in HAL clubs and will push people like Boogs, Hoff etc out, as they're just as good and half or one third the cost.

    This is when we'll have enough talent locally to have 15-20 top flight clubs. We don't have enough quality nationally to have 10 teams be competitive, let alone 20.
    Disagree that we dont have the talent for 15 to 20 teams.

    Plemty of blokes are stuck in the NPL and just never get given the opportunity due to the current model

    Look at our side for example
    Vujica
    Jackson
    Thurgate
    Cowburn.

    None of these blokes are certain starters in our side but they are more than capable of being involved at HAL level

    You put 20 teams in the League and thet start getting opportunities as starters not fighting for scraps like we have in a 9 team league where each club wastes 5 spots on Foreigners


    Disagree also on the kids coming through thing too

    If this was accurate we would have 5 bays of 16 year old active hooligans if this was the case

    HAL model hasnt worked

    It is just as broken as the NSL was with different failings

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    Disagree that we dont have the talent for 15 to 20 teams.

    Plemty of blokes are stuck in the NPL and just never get given the opportunity due to the current model

    Look at our side for example
    Vujica
    Jackson
    Thurgate
    Cowburn.

    None of these blokes are certain starters in our side but they are more than capable of being involved at HAL level

    You put 20 teams in the League and thet start getting opportunities as starters not fighting for scraps like we have in a 9 team league where each club wastes 5 spots on Foreigners


    Disagree also on the kids coming through thing too

    If this was accurate we would have 5 bays of 16 year old active hooligans if this was the case

    HAL model hasnt worked

    It is just as broken as the NSL was with different failings
    Na, Yeah. Ur always right hey Member.

    Thats why the game is dead in this country and participation numbers are the lowest they've ever been.

    Newy Bay 1 is 70% 15-19 year olds and most of the other Aleague active support is the same. Guess you're right there too.

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    My 2c, 2 years ago many would have put Andrew Nabbout on the same list of players not good enough to cut it as a starter.

    If these players get the first team opportunity, that break they need, perhaps they will develop. Cowburn was a key starter a few years ago playing right and left back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    Of course the players aint gonna take a pay cut of that magnitude voluntarily

    Thing is we had that type of salary cap in Season 1 of the HAL and for some reason they have managed to double it in 13 years and I would doubt the quality of play crowds interest etc has increased that much

    Absolutely scandalous that they have got away with it

    As for players leaving here and going elsewhere for better money isnt that ideally what we want??

    The more guys that can **** off to Europe and get rich better experienced etc then ultimately.better for the Socceroos and to inspire the kids to be like Mooy Cahill Kewell etc

    What we have now is a welfare league where you have plenty of blokes just sucking a pay cheque out of it for 10/15 years aka Boogaard BK Hoffman etc who are plain well not good enough for O/S action

    This also has the effect of killing opportunity for younger players as spots for them just aint there like they should be

    Then you throw in the fact that our blokes can be well paid in the HAL and it doesnt motivate them to stick it out in Europe and make it

    Blokes like Birraz Goodwin Brillante etc can easily come back to HAL and pick up 6 figures when really they should be desperate to make the break through in Europe

    The current model is ****ed and has little benefit to anyone except acting as a welfare payment for the status quo in the league
    Will they all go to Europe, or will the less skilled ones end up in better paid leagues such as India, Malaysia etc (assuming wages here fall)? If our league doesn't match other leagues of a similar standard (or inferior) when it comes to wages, why would they come back? If you don't make it in Europe, then you don't make it. I think I would prefer the likes of the players you mentioned in our league, helping it draw TV, crowds etc, rather than them heading off to South Africa, USA, China or where ever. If our better players left the league, do you think Fox would continue to pay?

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