+1Originally Posted by belchardo
Was a member in previous years but knew I wasnt much of a chance of getting back to any games this year so couldnt see the value in purchasing this year. At least in previous years you got 3 games in the membership for about the same price. Would happily pay cost price or a 70 with a couple of tickets included.
I reckon non-ticket membership should be cheaper, but give you access to single match tickets at a discounted price.
Also I take on board why blackmac said I'd live some non PR santiaued explanation tinks of the shit going down at the moment..... But don't believe well ever get it.
Club needs to be accountable to the fans. Not pander them with token gestures like this. Either let the fan representative committee have a proper role in the direction of the club, or not at all. To talk about ticketing and membership when things are about as low as it can get shows that those at the club are still trying to play You, Gav and every other member of the committee as a pawn in a stupid PR game.
We have the cheapest, most affordable membership in the league at the moment. Why does it need to be discussed at a meeting, it's not going to get better than what it is?
My simple request is that you, as a group, take control of the meeting and ensure that it is run with purpose moving forward with positive outcomes as a whole. Make the club accountable to you, as the fans representatives. This groups is the most organised the fans are outside of the Squadron. It presents a real opportunity for the club, and those running it to understand that we are not just paying customers, that this is our club, and they cannot just do as they please.
If it were up to me you would have an external, club free meeting, open to other fans, where we can empower you, the committee as a whole, with our thoughts, feelings, passions, ideas. Things that would make a tangible difference to how this club behaves and operates as a community asset.
With is current agenda, the committee is little more than a steaming pile of PR shit. It could be so much more.
Go jetties
Great post Blackmac. What you're saying is what I want from the committee too. Behind the scenes we're already holding the club to account and not letting things slip.
To touch on your point about a "Jets-free" meeting, we've already discussed it so we will raise it again. The main topic point for the next meeting was raised before all the bullshit started happening. Tinkler still had the club on the market at that stage. However other items for discussion will be raised.
The Championship Chronicles - The Jetstream's review of the 2007/08 season. www.newcastlefootball.net/chronicles
send it Blackmac.
we are on the same page.
jeterpool, ill message you later today
Nevermind,
I have emailed the club. Along with the issue of coaching staff working for player agencies. I wan't to see real issues discussed with the fans in an open way.
It is for us, and our benefit that every person at the club should be working. No more self interest.
Last edited by Blackmac79; 28-01-2015 at 11:17 AM.
Go jetties
this is what I was on about a few pages back.
Good idea to put something in.
Just be careful you don't kill it by acting too rashly. The level of involvement you want can be built over time, with trust. IMO the primary objective of this committee at the moment should be to establish itself and ensure its continuity through all these ownership shenanigans. To me its not really that important if it mostly deals with superficial stuff now, so long as it also slowly acts as a vehicle to giving the club a deeper insight into how supporters want to engage with the club.
It seems the club under Middleby set this up only if it dealt with side issues. Tinkler is even less likely to want interference.
Last edited by hausmann; 28-01-2015 at 12:28 PM.
every concern raised here about the process is concern i share, but haus has hit the nail on the ehad about it taking time and must be based on growing trust.
i think this is why the above point may appear to be true..... theyre still testing the waters as much as we are.
lets not throw the baby out with bathwater.
Having said that, there is one thing that I'd like to raise with the committee because if Tinkler is stripped of the license, I think you should be prepared to play a role in communicating with David Gallop for the transition to new ownership. You are a formal structure that he should respect.
It needs to be understood why the Newcastle flagship team keeps having financial and management problems. If Gallop can't verbalise what the issue is, then history will just repeat, and repeat. We have to get it right this time. And I think Gallop is the type of guy who would be willing to listen and cooperate.
IMO, the financial side is due to:
1. Lack of an innovative approach to ownership. We have tried community ownership and failed because its undercapitalised and unprofessional, we have tried rich tycoon ownership and failed because its too susceptible to whimsical decision making. We need a model that incorporates both. A rich owner or ownership group to ensure decisive action and supporter ownership so that the main owners (and CEO and management) take supporters seriously so they don't get all arrogant and think they can ignore the community. A broad ownership base (as opposed to membership base) encourages good corporate governance.
2. Lack of sponsorship.
There are two facets to this - one is small business sponsorship - corporate boxes, advertising and the like, the other is major sponsorship. It appears that the lack of small business sponsorship comes from a lack of trust in the owner/corporate governance. I regularly heard, "I'm not giving my money to Con/Tinkler because I don't trust him." Good corporate governance will help rectify this.
The lack of major sponsorship, I believe, is due to a structural problem in our community. Our dominant industries are coal, building, health, government, education and none of these have need to advertise. So sponsorship has to either be an act of philanthropy, or we need to make the Newcastle Jets brand something that is so appealing to major consumer markets that big brands see the value of placing their brand on the Jets strip. I think the later approach is likely to be more successful, mainly because it can be sustainable, whereas philanthropy funds can just be cut.
I also believe that from both Con and Tinkler, there was a short term outlook toward major sponsorship. "Our front of shirt is worth this much per year. Take it or leave it." It was never about building branding synergy over many years. And that's the kind of thing sponsors like. Both guys would have rejected under-valued sponsorships but if they selected the right sponsor they could have taken less money now but built the value up over time through good sponsor relations.
The advantage that Newcastle has over any other A-League club is that our supporter base includes mainstream novocastrians from all walks of life. We aren't a migrant curiosity. We have a rich history from Minmi Rangers of 1886 to Reg Date to Craig Johnstone that appeals to the mainstream. And the advantage of this is that we can take ownership of all of it as part of the Novocastrian spirit. This richness is something that no other A-League team has. This all needs to be tied together so that mainstream people from all Australian cities feel something toward the Jets, and like to watch them. Because advertisers love mainstream appeal. They also like to tap into culture and history, so if Carlsberg, for example, likes us because we have our own unique version of football history, linked into Liverpool via Craig Johnstone, then this could really work.
Do you notice how Football pundits and administrators love saying that Newcastle has a strong football history from the Newcastle coalfields. It's a romantic story. I don't hear them say that when talking about any other A-League club and we should take advantage of it.
That is where the Supporters Committee can do some really valuable work. You can help create and promote this attractive myth. Work out ways that this myth is cultivated. But it also has to be kept in mind that it is something that has broad appeal, Like Més que un club has amongst Spaniards and all people generally, because it makes them feel that they can belong to that spirit. It can't be a "We're Novocastrian, you're not" kind of thing.
I know that this is nebulous stuff, but man, if we could nut this out and get in the ear of David Gallop, we could have ourselves a great and sustainable club for the first time in our history.
Last edited by hausmann; 28-01-2015 at 02:59 PM.
thanks hauss
i offered up a quick history lesson regarding e&C at the least meeting and there were many blank faces.
Im working on rectifying this.
Been in a meeting all day but am catching up on the discussion. Building trust is going to take time and I agree with you hauss, but as Toby says we need to be honest with ourselves and all parties retain a level of accountability.
We've had one meeting, let's see where we are by the end of the third or fourth.
The Championship Chronicles - The Jetstream's review of the 2007/08 season. www.newcastlefootball.net/chronicles
I think you guys should get together and discuss all these developments if you can. Shit's going down.
I think so too. If we still exist
The Championship Chronicles - The Jetstream's review of the 2007/08 season. www.newcastlefootball.net/chronicles
As you put it to me last time thats outside of their delegated membership agenda and they wont accept other discussion remember.
Yes I know. What I mean is that the supporters should get together away from the club to discuss it. Obviously Tinkler isn't going to listen to fans about any of this. If the FFA moves and takes Tinkler's license, the supporter committee should be ready to put their hands up as spokespeople for the entire fan base, not just the Squadron. They have legitimacy.
Last edited by hausmann; 29-01-2015 at 11:50 AM.
Q. Jeterpool and Gav do you guys have contact details for other members of the Committee.
Go jetties
Yes.
But we've agreed as a group to not pass others details around without consent, until we have a more structured method of contact.
If there's someone on the committee in particular you would like to contact, I can contact them on your behalf, and have them get in touch.
This pathway of communication is one thing I am asking to be placed on the next agenda.
I fully respect the decision, and 100% agree with it! that members private emails are not made public, s won't be publicising the others emails addresses.
I am hoping that we can set up a method of communication that allows this direct contact to occur, perhaps through our own @newcastlejets email address.....its something I'm working on. Until then, send me an email, or PM and I can contact them on your behalf.
This issue, I don't believe, was something that the club rep organising the group is trying to control or censor, just that it's an issue we moved for further discussion beyond the already jam pack agenda from the first meeting.
Last edited by GazFish35; 30-01-2015 at 07:27 PM.
Was more asking for the idea of you guys getting together.
Go jetties
Were are planning to.
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