Do you like Medicare? HECS/HELP? Superannuation?Originally Posted by MFKS
Do you like Medicare? HECS/HELP? Superannuation?
Currently sitting at the Doctors waiting for 1 hour so far and I am told I got 2 more to go
Would rather be in one of those 3rd world places without socialist medicine where I walk in pay and am treated straight away
So yeah shove your socialist welfare programs up your proverbial
Also the government welfare problems are one divisive thing for a conducive society in the first place
Alk they do is breed entitled monther****ers who sit around with their hand our in expectation of being provided shit by the state
That why we have a welfare country with so many parasites ducking the life out of the nation
You don't actually believe one iota of this. You may talk tough, but you'd be the one of the first on here bawling your eyes out if we had a system like the US.
Having a welfare system isn't the problem, the system was designed poorly at the beginning and has gotten worse over the years. They need massive reforms to welfare, but no government is willing to put the effort into fixing it.
Don't forget your wonderful conservative liberal government used a handout to confuse voters into thinking they care about lower/middle class families during the election. Everyone gets a $1080 tax rebate! Even though they have already back tracked on that promise, it was still a very socialist trick to use.
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I happy to pay for the treatment
Unfortunately I don't have the opportunity
Over in Thailand you walk in and are seen within 30 minutes in a hospital or a medical clinic
Why??
Because you pay for it
I believe it big time
All that welfare programs do is make people dependant on the state
That why we see so many single parent families these days
Because the government have made it possible to be dependant on the state to survive
Throw in your dole budged and other assorted basket cases and we have more with their hand out living life off the taxpayer
a tax cut aint welfare. its letting you keep more of your money. money that you earned. im all about that.
also, they havent backtracked. it is getting passed and will have the support of everyone. The ATO will backdate it so it will be paid from 1st July as promised.
onto the good Members gripes..........
now, i am happy to pay for and support these so called 'socialist' policies like healthcare, a safety net for the unemployed and aged pensions. i dont think of myself as a socialist though, and cant think of being friends with assholes who dont want to help those less fortunate* than us.
as for "bhuuh the system gets rorted". fair point, and i wish we could do more to **** off the assholes who rort the system. But you know who else rorts the system? rich people, thats who. we just had a GFC and banking royal commission what resulted in pretty much zero police charges despite waste, greed and corruption on a scale we've never seen before. so **** everyone thinking its just poor people who are the only ones trying to scam stuff.
throw the rorters in jail, however they are dressed i dont care. but seriously though, you can enjoy 'socialist' programs and not be a socialist. you can enjoy the benefits of capitalism** and not be a Trump fanboi. its almost as if the sweet spot is somewhere right in the middle. fancy that.
*except gypos. **** giving them any of my cash. they can rot in the gutter. worthless trash. **** em.
** also also, if capitalism was so great we'd all be wearing Jets shaped hats by now but nooooooooo, we still dont have them so the ****ing system cant be all that enviable now can it?
@MFKS
Surely you don't believe any of this crap?
Just go to seek. Go have a look at the entry level jobs. For supposed entry level you sure do need a lot of qualifications and experience.
What chance does the unemployed have? They could be down a few grand just to get the tickets with no guarantee there will be work to follow.
Throw in the casualisation of and part timing of the work force...........Countries ****ed mate.
And if you wanted to know what you voted for.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/smal...21-p51pqi.html
So what would you rather do with the poor? Let them starve? Are we heading down a 'Purge' type of conversation?
It's all well and good saying it doesn't work, you need to offer up something as an alternative? Otherwise you may as well just piss into the wind.
That is just indicative of a society that is losing compassion for it's fellow man. Not politics. People are just trash nowadays, or at least the trash is more visible.
yeah i agree here, no one on any side of politics is stanning for that shit.
it also does bring up a valid point about how important unions are in the workplace. now these days im an employer, but ive lived on both sides (once being both employee and employer at the same time) and i have always believed in the importance of strong unions to protect workers.
the problem is that nowadays most news regarding unions is either them protesting about shit that aint in their wheelhouse like climate change, power plays to get their preferred candidate into a political position or getting arrested for being scumbags.
If unions spent their time, energy and resources looking after the worker everyone would be a member. but sadly, membership is dropping, and no one seems to care.
that's because the government has taken away their teeth and left them with very little bite.
lol. gotta be one of the biggest false equivalencies of all time.
lets see how far the money you pay for preferential treatment in thailand goes over here. not fkn far.
go sit in the wards in siriraj and see how good we've got it.
i understand your point but disagree somewhat.
you are only as strong as your constituents. be it employees, members, fans etc.
If the unions were an enticing enough option they'd have people flooding in to join up.
Govts are never going to take away the employees real rights. they'll go after scumbag union bosses (and they should be as fervent going after corporate bosses too) but they legally and politically can never be the ones seen to take away genuine workers rights.
no party would ever be so stupid.
and please, before anyone dares bring up penalty rates etc do your homework dont come at me with some weak sauce bullshit cause im ready for any and all of that.
well you kind of 'do' have the opportunity.
you sound like you've found utopia over there in Thailand.
why not move?
Hospitals were cleaner and more efficient than John Hunter was 25 years ago
The treatment I have had was infinitely superior to that found in Oz and at a fraction of the cost
So your point is??
Why exactly is it my problem what happens with the poor ??
Every **** in the country has the opportunity to earn a crust
Get off your arse and do it
Works well in other countries
If you don't work you don't eat
Sort of gets people off their arses
As for poor people we don't have real poverty in this country
Well Howard did try to bring in Work Choices. Made it really really hard to have industrial action and so on and son. Those older than 30 should know all about that.
I'll go there. And well. The Libs did cut penalty rates.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...96063ae4009bb7
exactly, those nut cases who think there can be more than 2 genders have no respect for those that dont. Feminists hate men generally and are allowed to be bigots and climate freakers are wanting coal stopped now instead of phasing it in in due course until friendly power can handle the whole load.
We still need welfare for all that need it and not just the chosen few groups that Green jerks want to help. And jobs for 1000's workers on basic wage.
Try and pigeon hole this political party
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