Miller - He's Out (pg 25)

[plague]

'sup boys?

[plague]

i do enjoy that for a bloke who has worked ever so hard to get our defence in order has quite the terrible time defending a 1-0 lead.........
or a 1-1 draw.
or a 2-1 deficit.
or a 3-1 deficit.
or a 4-1 deficit.
or a 5-1 deficit.
or a 6-1 deficit.



Give him credit though there was no way that 7th goal was getting through his WALL OF AWESOME DEFENSIVENESS!!!!

[lquiquer]

i do enjoy that for a bloke who has worked ever so hard to get our defence in order has quite the terrible time defending a 1-0 lead.........
or a 1-1 draw.
or a 2-1 deficit.
or a 3-1 deficit.
or a 4-1 deficit.
or a 5-1 deficit.
or a 6-1 deficit.



Give him credit though there was no way that 7th goal was getting through his WALL OF AWESOME DEFENSIVENESS!!!!

I love you Plague

[plague]

I love you Plague

me too.

[parksey]

one step forward, six steps back

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

Tried to chase the game after going down to 10 by keeping 2 up front and getting some more pace in midfield with Cowburn. It obviously went horribly wrong but I thought you all wanted us to go and attack?

[MFKS]

Tried to chase the game after going down to 10 by keeping 2 up front and getting some more pace in midfield with Cowburn. It obviously went horribly wrong but I thought you all wanted us to go and attack?


I ain't gonna be critical of him for one thing yesterday.

Yesterday we were trying to attack. Can't fault that.

Can't fault it at all.

Even when down 4-1 5-1 6-1 etc we were trying to score. Can not fault that at all.
A positive to come out of yesterday for certain

Their application without the ball though was a disgrace.

Says something that we have got 3 reds and a shit load of yellows this season and we aren't even a dirty side. We barely make a tackle FFS

Just a stupid side who give away dumb free kicks repeatedly.

Where is the discipline and commitment??

Millertime though has a lot to answer for what happened between 15 mins and 45 mins
The last 45mins and the score blowing out to 6-1 is not the issue

Where Miller failed yesterday was his inability to stop a side as shit as Perth are and were playing in the first 15mins and who was on the back foot from turning it around and ****ing us up the arse constantly for the last 30 mins of the half

There were plenty of easily spotable issues that were not dealt with on the run.

That is what cost us the game.

The second half debacle was just more evidence of why our senior players are shit and need to go
Mullen Carney Milos Poljak etc
Where the **** was the leadership from any of them???

To give one bloke credit yesterday have to take hats off to the Hoff. Busted his arse

[halo se7en]

I ain't gonna be critical of him for one thing yesterday.

Yesterday we were trying to attack. Can't fault that.

Can't fault it at all.

Even when down 4-1 5-1 6-1 etc we were trying to score. Can not fault that at all.
A positive to come out of yesterday for certain

Their application without the ball though was a disgrace.

Says something that we have got 3 reds and a shit load of yellows this season and we aren't even a dirty side. We barely make a tackle FFS

Just a stupid side who give away dumb free kicks repeatedly.

Where is the discipline and commitment??

Millertime though has a lot to answer for what happened between 15 mins and 45 mins
The last 45mins and the score blowing out to 6-1 is not the issue

Where Miller failed yesterday was his inability to stop a side as shit as Perth are and were playing in the first 15mins and who was on the back foot from turning it around and ****ing us up the arse constantly for the last 30 mins of the half

There were plenty of easily spotable issues that were not dealt with on the run.

That is what cost us the game.

The second half debacle was just more evidence of why our senior players are shit and need to go
Mullen Carney Milos Poljak etc
Where the **** was the leadership from any of them???

To give one bloke credit yesterday have to take hats off to the Hoff. Busted his arse

Miller was probably as perplexed as the rest of us as to the turnaround after 15 minutes. Out of curiosity, did anyone notice Perth change anything at that point to counter what was happening? Or did our players simply stop playing and stop giving a ****. Even Birraz didn't seem concerned when the ball was flying past him - although my mate later told me that he almost broke his foot kicking the goalpost when #6 went in. I'd left by that point.

[Jeterpool]

I'll just put this here

Jets Coaching Summary

Coach Matches Goals For Goals Conceded 1st Half For 1st Half Conceded YC Second Yellow Straight Red RC Win Draw Loss WIN % DRAW % LOSS % Average Goals For Avg Goals Conceded Average YC
Scott Miller 16 13 25 4 8 35 3 0 3 4 4 8 25% 25% 50% 0.81 1.56 2.19
Phil Stubbins 27 23 55 9 15 67 1 1 2 3 8 16 11% 30% 59% 0.85 2.04 2.48
Branko Culina 59 63 81 31 37 101 4 4 8 20 12 27 34% 20% 46% 1.07 1.37 1.71
Gary Van Egmond 129 161 181 70 77 278 7 6 13 46 32 51 36% 25% 40% 1.25 1.40 2.16
Clayton Zane 12 19 17 8 9 30 0 1 1 5 2 5 42% 17% 42% 1.58 1.42 2.50
Nick Theodorakopoulos 7 6 16 3 9 8 2 1 3 0 3 4 0% 43% 57% 0.86 2.29 1.14
Craig Deans 3 4 4 3 2 5 0 0 0 2 0 1 67% 0% 33% 1.33 1.33 1.67
Richard Money 23 28 31 16 8 40 1 2 3 9 5 9 39% 22% 39% 1.22 1.35 1.74
Terry Venables* 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 - - - - - -


* He's still waiting for a pick up at the airport

[Grimario]

67%? Bring back Deans!

Or for entertainment value... bring back Clacka! 1.58 goals per game... almost double what we are doing now. And a better defensive record too.

[Thomas477]

Deans IN

[hawk]

Even when down 4-1 5-1 6-1 etc we were trying to score. Can not fault that at all.



I find it hard to believe there's no fault in being down 1-6. Displaying a useless attack is laughable.

In a side with no hope If we arent breaking legs than its shit.

[parksey]

zane was great to be fair to him.

he was really hard done by.

[StannyCFCJET]

zane was great to be fair to him.

he was really hard done by.

loved zane and he played football that suited the squads strength I.E 4-4-2 heskey and taggart

[StannyCFCJET]

Soo many idiots on some of the Jets fans facebooks pages who still think miller is doing a good job and their only defence is that we have a shit squad OMFG :wtf:

[foti68]

Soo many idiots on some of the Jets fans facebooks pages who still think miller is doing a good job and their only defence is that we have a shit squad OMFG :wtf:

I agree with you totally he is out of his depth it is pretty sad

[StannyCFCJET]

I agree with you totally he is out of his depth it is pretty sad

He even seems like a nice bloke but he has no idea what he is doing and its showing

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

Soo many idiots on some of the Jets fans facebooks pages who still think miller is doing a good job and their only defence is that we have a shit squad OMFG :wtf:

People are entitled to their opinion without the name calling I reckon. Do you think we have a good squad?

[lquiquer]

People are entitled to their opinion without the name calling I reckon. Do you think we have a good squad?

Not good enough to finish in top 6

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Not good enough to finish in top 6

Not enough to avoid the spoon either.

[ruddah]

Not good enough to finish in top 6

The Squad never was, and everyone sensed that at the start of the season.

FFA & Jets have been hamstrung by a rushed decision to retain all roll-over contracts from the Tinkler rein.

The only risk in this retaining $80k for next season is the uncertainty of what happens if a buyer turns up in the off-season and wants to overhaul the squad (yet again) including the coaching staff - this will likely mean back to square one again with another "rebuilding season".

I hope Miller is retained to build his squad.

When we click on the park, we look the goods.

[The Dunster]

The Squad never was, and everyone sensed that at the start of the season.

FFA & Jets have been hamstrung by a rushed decision to retain all roll-over contracts from the Tinkler rein.

The only risk in this retaining $80k for next season is the uncertainty of what happens if a buyer turns up in the off-season and wants to overhaul the squad (yet again) including the coaching staff - this will likely mean back to square one again with another "rebuilding season".

I hope Miller is retained to build his squad.

When we click on the park, we look the goods.

I have paid for a family membership each season since the A-league started and I'm tired of all the excuses.
I have supported this club and many others here have given a hell of a lot more than me as well in time, money, and effort.
The club needs to put up or shut up. That's what it amounts to.
Miller has failed to deliver and for that he should be shown the door. Others have been sacked for a lot less at this club I don't see why he should be given preferential treatment.
The playing group can GTFO as well. Too young, too old, too injured, too lazy... that pretty much describes the lot of them.

[furns]

The Squad never was, and everyone sensed that at the start of the season.

FFA & Jets have been hamstrung by a rushed decision to retain all roll-over contracts from the Tinkler rein.

The only risk in this retaining $80k for next season is the uncertainty of what happens if a buyer turns up in the off-season and wants to overhaul the squad (yet again) including the coaching staff - this will likely mean back to square one again with another "rebuilding season".

I hope Miller is retained to build his squad.

When we click on the park, we look the goods.as far as I was aware - the new holding company that the FFA created to run the Jets HAD to offer like for like to the players under contract to HSG when they took over the club. It was up to the players whether they stayed or not. So the current squad (except for the players Miller & Murphy/Eland have brought in) are all due to Stubbins/HSG.

[MFKS]

as far as I was aware - the new holding company that the FFA created to run the Jets HAD to offer like for like to the players under contract to HSG when they took over the club. It was up to the players whether they stayed or not. So the current squad (except for the players Miller & Murphy/Eland have brought in) are all due to Stubbins/HSG.

See what your saying but as it is a new company how liable are they for existing arrangements being that HSG had folded etc

Generally the new company ain't liable for the debts of the former company so it could be that the only reason we had to honour the players deals was as a sign of goodwill rather than any compulsory requirement.

Anyone with a bit more understanding on the legal aspects here than me able to shed some light??

[halo se7en]

I have paid for a family membership each season since the A-league started and I'm tired of all the excuses.
I have supported this club and many others here have given a hell of a lot more than me as well in time, money, and effort.
The club needs to put up or shut up. That's what it amounts to.
Miller has failed to deliver and for that he should be shown the door. Others have been sacked for a lot less at this club I don't see why he should be given preferential treatment.
The playing group can GTFO as well. Too young, too old, too injured, too lazy... that pretty much describes the lot of them.

Who exactly is the club at the moment? What other manager would we get right now that has a-league (or any) experience that could turn this playing group into winners?

I think Millers being a bit hard done by. Look at the team he had on paper last weekend. Traveling to a rampant Adelaide, missing 3 key players, after a 6-1 belting, and he somehow gets the team to lift & play a game that could have reasonably finished in a draw. He can't do anything about Alivodic scuffing a shot or Mullen getting turned. Sure he could pick other players but let's be realistic here about who else is at his disposal.

Would like to see what he can do under an actual owner, and with his own players.

[GazFish35]

The Squad never was, and everyone sensed that at the start of the season.

FFA & Jets have been hamstrung by a rushed decision to retain all roll-over contracts from the Tinkler rein.

The only risk in this retaining $80k for next season is the uncertainty of what happens if a buyer turns up in the off-season and wants to overhaul the squad (yet again) including the coaching staff - this will likely mean back to square one again with another "rebuilding season".

I hope Miller is retained to build his squad.

When we click on the park, we look the goods.

there was no decision.
they were obliged to under the CBA and terms of ownership.

Just like when the FFA finally **** us off to anyone willing to pay the jacked up price they want for us.

Contracted players must be offered a like for like deal.
The players are then allowed time to act as free agents in terms of seeking offers from other clubs, if nothing comes form elsewhere they can take the offer from the new owner.

Any new owner is hamstrung by contracts from the previous owner.


It's one reason why Miller is signing young blokes to shorter deals, so if a new owner comes in, they aren't left with an aging squad being paid too much, on lengthy contracts.

[furns]

as far as I was aware - the new holding company that the FFA created to run the Jets HAD to offer like for like to the players under contract to HSG when they took over the club. It was up to the players whether they stayed or not. So the current squad (except for the players Miller & Murphy/Eland have brought in) are all due to Stubbins/HSG.


See what your saying but as it is a new company how liable are they for existing arrangements being that HSG had folded etc

Generally the new company ain't liable for the debts of the former company so it could be that the only reason we had to honour the players deals was as a sign of goodwill rather than any compulsory requirement.

Anyone with a bit more understanding on the legal aspects here than me able to shed some light??


there was no decision.
they were obliged to under the CBA and terms of ownership.

Just like when the FFA finally **** us off to anyone willing to pay the jacked up price they want for us.

Contracted players must be offered a like for like deal.
The players are then allowed time to act as free agents in terms of seeking offers from other clubs, if nothing comes form elsewhere they can take the offer from the new owner.

Any new owner is hamstrung by contracts from the previous owner.


It's one reason why Miller is signing young blokes to shorter deals, so if a new owner comes in, they aren't left with an aging squad being paid too much, on lengthy contracts.what Gaz said :thumbsup:

[ruddah]

I have paid for a family membership each season since the A-league started and I'm tired of all the excuses.
I have supported this club and many others here have given a hell of a lot more than me as well in time, money, and effort.
The club needs to put up or shut up. That's what it amounts to.
Miller has failed to deliver and for that he should be shown the door. Others have been sacked for a lot less at this club I don't see why he should be given preferential treatment.
The playing group can GTFO as well. Too young, too old, too injured, too lazy... that pretty much describes the lot of them.

I feel your pain bud. I've been their since day dot as well.

What's the alternative? Become a Euro snob? Follow the scum? F-No!

What has Miller failed to deliver?

Compare the quality and DEPTH of our squad to any team in the top 7.

There lies our problem -not Miller. Nix & Scum are in the same boat - poor quality and now depth.

We can't keep sacking coaches!

[Jeterpool]

there was no decision.
they were obliged to under the CBA and terms of ownership.

Just like when the FFA finally **** us off to anyone willing to pay the jacked up price they want for us.

Contracted players must be offered a like for like deal.
The players are then allowed time to act as free agents in terms of seeking offers from other clubs, if nothing comes form elsewhere they can take the offer from the new owner.

Any new owner is hamstrung by contracts from the previous owner.


It's one reason why Miller is signing young blokes to shorter deals, so if a new owner comes in, they aren't left with an aging squad being paid too much, on lengthy contracts.

Beat me to it.

Miller has said he won't sign anyone for longer than the time he is contracted as coach because he doesn't feel it fair to lump the next person with his squad.

[rhysd]

Beat me to it.

Miller has said he won't sign anyone for longer than the time he is contracted as coach because he doesn't feel it fair to lump the next person with his squad.

As miller said he has had his hands tied, financially, the whole time he has been here.

Unfair to adjudicate on his coaching capabilities given the lack of squad potential at his disposal.

Someone finally has the sense to stop the rot and fix these ridiculous contracts being offered to some players.

how come Ben kantarovski and any other player coming off contract is not coming out and having a tantrum? These guys are knuckling down and fighting for their careers. Something lazy Dave was not willing to do. How many of his assists came from free kicks?

[StannyCFCJET]

Not good enough to finish in top 6

No i dont think we have a good squad in fact its ****ing shit but Miller has pretty much chosen a 2 thirds of our squad to use no matter what form they are in and the other third for whatever reason (Pav, Brennan, Lundy,Crowley, Cooper, themba Baressi) have essentially been frozen out when they are defiantly worth giving a go over triffo the lampost and alidovic and watson who havent performed all season. Also a shit squad doesnt stop coaches from trying different things or using different players if something isnt working however Miller has refused to do this and as a consequence other teams have worked us out to a fault and beat us easily most weeks

[The Camel]

No i dont think we have a good squad in fact its ****ing shit but Miller has pretty much chosen a 2 thirds of our squad to use no matter what form they are in and the other third for whatever reason (Pav, Brennan, Lundy,Crowley, Cooper, themba Baressi) have essentially been frozen out when they are defiantly worth giving a go over triffo the lampost and alidovic and watson who havent performed all season. Also a shit squad doesnt stop coaches from trying different things or using different players if something isnt working however Miller has refused to do this and as a consequence other teams have worked us out to a fault and beat us easily most weeks

We've been beaten easily twice by my reckoning. And that list of players you rattled off would not have changed that. In fact probably would have made it worse. I agree that we could have changed formations etc more and tried things but our squad is shite. We've lost Haliti and Leo for large portions of the season which has killed us and when some if the younger ones has been given a gotheyve been awful (Pav a prime example) I actually think it's a shame Brennan was injured for so long I think he'd have gotten a go

[StannyCFCJET]

We've been beaten easily twice by my reckoning. And that list of players you rattled off would not have changed that. In fact probably would have made it worse. I agree that we could have changed formations etc more and tried things but our squad is shite. We've lost Haliti and Leo for large portions of the season which has killed us and when some if the younger ones has been given a gotheyve been awful (Pav a prime example) I actually think it's a shame Brennan was injured for so long I think he'd have gotten a go

most weeks weve relied on birraz to not lose 4-0 so im standing by my beaten easily statement

[halo se7en]

I think our biggest problem continues to be midfield - Watson & Poljak haven't done a good enough job. I can't totally blame two players but the ball goes through them both ways. A striker can't get into a game when he touches the ball once every 10 minutes, and the defenders can be the best in the league but they'll let goals in when the floodgates have been opened in front of them. Hopefully Ugarkovic can offer something better - he might not have gone around as long as these two but surely he's quicker around the park and that will already be an upgrade (I didn't see his stint against the Reds so can't comment). A stronger midfield means more ball will get up top the and attackers can hopefully find some rhythm. If Leo stays fit, with the addition of Nords, I'm hoping we can make a better fist of the second half then the first and I'm quietly confident we can finish 8th (which sounds stupid but I'm sure everyone here would take that right now.)

[Bon]

I think our biggest problem continues to be midfield - Watson & Poljak haven't done a good enough job. I can't totally blame two players but the ball goes through them both ways. A striker can't get into a game when he touches the ball once every 10 minutes, and the defenders can be the best in the league but they'll let goals in when the floodgates have been opened in front of them. Hopefully Ugarkovic can offer something better - he might not have gone around as long as these two but surely he's quicker around the park and that will already be an upgrade (I didn't see his stint against the Reds so can't comment). A stronger midfield means more ball will get up top the and attackers can hopefully find some rhythm. If Leo stays fit, with the addition of Nords, I'm hoping we can make a better fist of the second half then the first and I'm quietly confident we can finish 8th (which sounds stupid but I'm sure everyone here would take that right now.)

This.

[StannyCFCJET]

I think our biggest problem continues to be midfield - Watson & Poljak haven't done a good enough job. I can't totally blame two players but the ball goes through them both ways. A striker can't get into a game when he touches the ball once every 10 minutes, and the defenders can be the best in the league but they'll let goals in when the floodgates have been opened in front of them. Hopefully Ugarkovic can offer something better - he might not have gone around as long as these two but surely he's quicker around the park and that will already be an upgrade (I didn't see his stint against the Reds so can't comment). A stronger midfield means more ball will get up top the and attackers can hopefully find some rhythm. If Leo stays fit, with the addition of Nords, I'm hoping we can make a better fist of the second half then the first and I'm quietly confident we can finish 8th (which sounds stupid but I'm sure everyone here would take that right now.)

this has been our problem for years no disrespect to former captain Zads but he couldnt pass for shit and when we have either slow DMs or DMs that cant pass then we struggle to do anything with ball or keep possession. Jobe wasnt that great of a passer either. fingers crossed Cowburn and Ugarkovic can strike up a really good partnership. Wasn't Joshy Brillainte a DM? dont remember he playing there and he can pass decently.

[StannyCFCJET]

This also leads to the point of everyone can see Poljak and Watson DO NOT WORK as a pair in midfield yet who do we see every week??:bs:

[The Dunster]

We've been beaten easily twice by my reckoning. And that list of players you rattled off would not have changed that. In fact probably would have made it worse. I agree that we could have changed formations etc more and tried things but our squad is shite. We've lost Haliti and Leo for large portions of the season which has killed us and when some if the younger ones has been given a gotheyve been awful (Pav a prime example) I actually think it's a shame Brennan was injured for so long I think he'd have gotten a go

The very fact Haliti is vital to this squad tells you just how shit the team really is.

Nothing against Haliti as he's a good competitor and all but he's hardly the sort of player you would build a team around.

[StannyCFCJET]

The very fact Haliti is vital to this squad tells you just how shit the team really is.

Nothing against Haliti as he's a good competitor and all but he's hardly the sort of player you would build a team around.

yeah but always gives 100% ( we lack this alot), the few goals he scores are always crucial goals and wouldve scored half the chances Triffo missed

[The Camel]

The very fact Haliti is vital to this squad tells you just how shit the team really is.

Nothing against Haliti as he's a good competitor and all but he's hardly the sort of player you would build a team around.

Agree but what I think we have missed from him the most is someone in the front third with a massive work rate.

[StannyCFCJET]

Agree but what I think we have missed from him the most is someone in the front third with a massive work rate.

This agree 1000%

[MFKS]

Agree but what I think we have missed from him the most is someone in the front third with a massive work rate.

Which makes Millertimes decision to sign Milos even more baffling.

Playing with such a weak squad you would think you would be wanting a mobile player with a great work rate up front.

So we go and sign someone who is very static and lazy.



How hard must it be to not pick that he is a static and lazy player when scouting him for people who are apparently qualified in football like our coaching staff??

It takes rank and file fans some of them with little idea on the game only a game or two to spot it and be in unanimous agreement

[ruddah]

Which makes Millertimes decision to sign Milos even more baffling.

Playing with such a weak squad you would think you would be wanting a mobile player with a great work rate up front.

So we go and sign someone who is very static and lazy.



How hard must it be to not pick that he is a static and lazy player when scouting him for people who are apparently qualified in football like our coaching staff??

It takes rank and file fans some of them with little idea on the game only a game or two to spot it and be in unanimous agreement

Lazy or not, 6 goals in 15 is not too bad for a poor season

[q-money]

imagine if the bloke could score with his feet

tbh in a better side he'd probably have a squillion goals by now

[parksey]

I think our biggest problem continues to be midfield - Watson & Poljak haven't done a good enough job. I can't totally blame two players but the ball goes through them both ways. A striker can't get into a game when he touches the ball once every 10 minutes, and the defenders can be the best in the league but they'll let goals in when the floodgates have been opened in front of them. Hopefully Ugarkovic can offer something better - he might not have gone around as long as these two but surely he's quicker around the park and that will already be an upgrade (I didn't see his stint against the Reds so can't comment). A stronger midfield means more ball will get up top the and attackers can hopefully find some rhythm. If Leo stays fit, with the addition of Nords, I'm hoping we can make a better fist of the second half then the first and I'm quietly confident we can finish 8th (which sounds stupid but I'm sure everyone here would take that right now.)

we we've had cowburn sitting on the bench all year so he's had the option to make a positive change but settles for the same shit every week

[rhysd]

Milos has missed the service of Leonardo all season.

Judge at end of season.

Milos will have a few more goals yet.

Would be great if we had berisha, but maybe we can fit his left arm into our cap next year??

[The Camel]

Which makes Millertimes decision to sign Milos even more baffling.

Playing with such a weak squad you would think you would be wanting a mobile player with a great work rate up front.

So we go and sign someone who is very static and lazy.



How hard must it be to not pick that he is a static and lazy player when scouting him for people who are apparently qualified in football like our coaching staff??

It takes rank and file fans some of them with little idea on the game only a game or two to spot it and be in unanimous agreement

He was signed before we lost Haliti and Leo for the bulk of the season though. The game plan may have been that others would do his running and the wanted a big body who could finish.

[plague]

Jobe wasnt that great of a passer either.

Seriously dude, grab your keys, maybe a coat, leave your house, get in your car and get the **** right out of here with that horseshit.

[Jeterpool]

Seriously dude, grab your keys, maybe a coat, leave your house, get in your car and get the **** right out of here with that horseshit.

Jobe developed very nicely before leaving the club. His passing style and range was getting towards Wehrman standards

[StannyCFCJET]

Seriously dude, grab your keys, maybe a coat, leave your house, get in your car and get the **** right out of here with that horseshit.

He wasnt doesnt mean i didnt love him to death

[plague]

Jobe leaving was the beginning of the end of this shitful club.

The club is getting what it deserves.

[MFKS]

He wasnt doesnt mean i didnt love him to death

Seriously stand your ground and not try to appease people around here.

You have made your case and backtracked now as soon as you got challenged

Stand your ground buddy

[Couscous]

I agree with the member, Stanny. If you stand by your tough truths, you'll garner respect around this place, and even a reputation for wisdom. #GVEin

[plague]

I agree with the member, Stanny. If you stand by your tough truths, you'll garner respect around this place, and even a reputation for wisdom. #GVEin

Hey I was willing to give my man Stany a chance to apologise and plead for forgiveness but he's still at it so he can keep getting all the way the **** out of here to Gosford to link up with the rest of the Gypos,

[stopper2]

Jobe leaving was the beginning of the end of this shitful club.

The club is getting what it deserves.

Actually the club has been in a constant state of rebuilding since GVE came back. Okay Branko wasn't amongst the best coaches going around but he had assembled a decent squad with a good blend of youth and experience before he got the flick. GVE comes back and within 12 months we lose the likes of Topor, Elrich, Brockie and Abbas....players who were just entering their prime as footballers. In their place came a bunch of kids....Taggart, Brillante, Goodwin, Chapman, Oxborrow....who have all come and gone anyway.
Had the debacle of Stubbins last year with him signing Flores, Celeski, Madaschi, Gallagher etc. and then deciding that they weren't the players he required either half-way through the season or at seasons end. This wasn't the only legacy Muppet left, it's become over the past few months that there are 3-4 players on big coin either signed by him or had their contracts upgraded to keep them here.
I'm far from being sold on Miller as a coach but shit lets face it, he was up against it from the beginning this season.

[plague]

here Jobe making a lovely pass right into the back of the ****ing net.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNzCjd1OVdM

[hawk]

I remember no-one could believe it, even Jobe

[lquiquer]

here Jobe making a lovely pass right into the back of the ****ing net.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNzCjd1OVdM

Crowd was terrible. And it wasn't Jobe you goose it was Joel...

[WolfMan]

Just thinking about it again - anybody else scores that goal (Del Piero, Mooy, Brosque) and it would be lauded as the greatest thing ever. Poor old Jobe never got the credit he deserved

[StannyCFCJET]

Seriously stand your ground and not try to appease people around here.

You have made your case and backtracked now as soon as you got challenged

Stand your ground buddy

i thought i did. Never said i didnt love Jobe just mentioned he couldn't pass very well. never once did i change my stance on this

[StannyCFCJET]

here Jobe making a lovely pass right into the back of the ****ing net.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNzCjd1OVdM

I still get angry that this is one off the few games ive missed the past couple of years :(

[halo se7en]

we we've had cowburn sitting on the bench all year so he's had the option to make a positive change but settles for the same shit every week

While I like Cowburn, there's a fine balance between blooding a youngster and throwing him to wolves. Miller is possibly worried about the latter. Ugarkovic on the other hand, despite being young, is probably more capable of handling it. Let's remember that Miller wanted Ugarkovic from the start of the season but some contract issue stopped it from happening. It's possible that between Ugar and Kantarovski, Watson was only ever seen as a backup player at most but ended up getting more and more time on the pitch because Uga wasn't signed, and then others kept getting suspended or injured meaning he always got shuffled into the squad. If our season is gone, I don't mind letting Watson take the brunt of the work and then sub in Cowburn & Ugarkovic at better stages of the match to maximise their output and development (how was that for a Millertime quote?).

[Jetmaster]

Just thinking about it again - anybody else scores that goal (Del Piero, Mooy, Brosque) and it would be lauded as the greatest thing ever. Poor old Jobe never got the credit he deserved

Indeed...compare Cockerill's commentary to that he gave Carlos' goal on the Gold Coast.

[parksey]

While I like Cowburn, there's a fine balance between blooding a youngster and throwing him to wolves. Miller is possibly worried about the latter. Ugarkovic on the other hand, despite being young, is probably more capable of handling it. Let's remember that Miller wanted Ugarkovic from the start of the season but some contract issue stopped it from happening. It's possible that between Ugar and Kantarovski, Watson was only ever seen as a backup player at most but ended up getting more and more time on the pitch because Uga wasn't signed, and then others kept getting suspended or injured meaning he always got shuffled into the squad. If our season is gone, I don't mind letting Watson take the brunt of the work and then sub in Cowburn & Ugarkovic at better stages of the match to maximise their output and development (how was that for a Millertime quote?).

so you're saying he continually played the worst player in the squad to the detriment of the team, despite having a better option on the bench (or playing out of position) because he was worried about denting said player's confidence?

seems legit.

[halo se7en]

so you're saying he continually played the worst player in the squad to the detriment of the team, despite having a better option on the bench (or playing out of position) because he was worried about denting said player's confidence?

seems legit.

Watson gets pulled at 2-1 down against Perth for Cowburn. Ends up 6-1.

Watson gets pulled for Cowburn around the 70th minute mark at 1-0 up against Coasties. We all know what happened.

Watson wasn't on the pitch when we went 2-0 down to City. Comes on at half time we win 3-2.

I'm not a fan of Watson and think he needs to be replaced at seasons end, and I'm not blaming Cowburn for those results, but to think we should have thrown Cowburn in there full time all season doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I like him but I don't think he's got enough atm to make any difference to what's happening out there. Whether we disagree about whether that's good or bad for his development is something that can be debated but ultimately not proven. Miller seems to be easing Cowburn in which is something I don't have a problem with. Maybe we revisit this discussion in a month and see how much game time Watson gets with Uga now available.

[Mark325]

Watson gets pulled at 2-1 down against Perth for Cowburn. Ends up 6-1.

Watson gets pulled for Cowburn around the 70th minute mark at 1-0 up against Coasties. We all know what happened.

Watson wasn't on the pitch when we went 2-0 down to City. Comes on at half time we win 3-2.

I'm not a fan of Watson and think he needs to be replaced at seasons end, and I'm not blaming Cowburn for those results, but to think we should have thrown Cowburn in there full time all season doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I like him but I don't think he's got enough atm to make any difference to what's happening out there. Whether we disagree about whether that's good or bad for his development is something that can be debated but ultimately not proven. Miller seems to be easing Cowburn in which is something I don't have a problem with. Maybe we revisit this discussion in a month and see how much game time Watson gets with Uga now available.

I think come next season we should have the 4/5 of the guys we have now, with Watson being the players getting the axe, and you can even argue to the idea of getting rid of Kanta and even axing Poljak early. Thing with Poljak however is that he's been lined up all season without Leo to work with and next to Watson who hurts him due to the similarities of their style. Him next to Uga could be the goods for him. Kanta, if his contract is negotiated down a touch and moved outside the cap should stay due to his versatility

[ruddah]

Watson gets pulled at 2-1 down against Perth for Cowburn. Ends up 6-1.

Watson gets pulled for Cowburn around the 70th minute mark at 1-0 up against Coasties. We all know what happened.

Watson wasn't on the pitch when we went 2-0 down to City. Comes on at half time we win 3-2.

I'm not a fan of Watson and think he needs to be replaced at seasons end, and I'm not blaming Cowburn for those results, but to think we should have thrown Cowburn in there full time all season doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I like him but I don't think he's got enough atm to make any difference to what's happening out there. Whether we disagree about whether that's good or bad for his development is something that can be debated but ultimately not proven. Miller seems to be easing Cowburn in which is something I don't have a problem with. Maybe we revisit this discussion in a month and see how much game time Watson gets with Uga now available.

You were likely at the last home game where in one half of football Watson made six turnover sin a roaw and put us under the pump.

I don't fault Watson's commitment, but he really is a poor quality player.

Cowburn needs some time, but so does every youth player. He's a cut above the current decent Youth team we have.

[De-Champ]

Watson gets pulled at 2-1 down against Perth for Cowburn. Ends up 6-1.

Watson gets pulled for Cowburn around the 70th minute mark at 1-0 up against Coasties. We all know what happened.

Watson wasn't on the pitch when we went 2-0 down to City. Comes on at half time we win 3-2.

I'm not a fan of Watson and think he needs to be replaced at seasons end, and I'm not blaming Cowburn for those results, but to think we should have thrown Cowburn in there full time all season doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I like him but I don't think he's got enough atm to make any difference to what's happening out there. Whether we disagree about whether that's good or bad for his development is something that can be debated but ultimately not proven. Miller seems to be easing Cowburn in which is something I don't have a problem with. Maybe we revisit this discussion in a month and see how much game time Watson gets with Uga now available.

Yes I am sure it was all because Cowburn came on and the game changed. The times I have seen him play, he has done his job. Maybe you have to look further than just one player. For instance why is Poljack (spelling) so shit for us when he did well for WSW. Maybe it is the style we are playing that he can't fit into. Why is Trifunovic mostly playing up front as a lone striker. Why in the first half of most games we can't get the ball past half way. etc etc

[halo se7en]

Yes I am sure it was all because Cowburn came on and the game changed. The times I have seen him play, he has done his job. Maybe you have to look further than just one player. For instance why is Poljack (spelling) so shit for us when he did well for WSW. Maybe it is the style we are playing that he can't fit into. Why is Trifunovic mostly playing up front as a lone striker. Why in the first half of most games we can't get the ball past half way. etc etc

I said I wasn't blaming Cowburn for those results (and I didn't even mention his first half shocker down in Parra). I was trying to make the point that Cowburn isn't going to come in and make a big difference to our team as some are suggesting - I'd rather he be eased in and grow into a solid player rather than throw him to the wolves by starting every match.

[MFKS]

I said I wasn't blaming Cowburn for those results (and I didn't even mention his first half shocker down in Parra). I was trying to make the point that Cowburn isn't going to come in and make a big difference to our team as some are suggesting - I'd rather he be eased in and grow into a solid player rather than throw him to the wolves by starting every match.

Easing him in is one thing


The coach though needs to show some faith in him and actually bite the bullet and start him and not only that regularly play him in his actual position

Stop playing him at left back right back etc

Play him in his position and allow him a chance and actually put some confidence into the kid


The way many at the Jets are treated is piss poor. Stop playing them out of position and allow them to learn their role

[Wilso8948]

Easing him in is one thing


The coach though needs to show some faith in him and actually bite the bullet and start him and not only that regularly play him in his actual position

Stop playing him at left back right back etc

Play him in his position and allow him a chance and actually put some confidence into the kid


The way many at the Jets are treated is piss poor. Stop playing them out of position and allow them to learn their role

To be fair I believe Miller wants to play him in the mids however there is no current better option then him at LB. Jackson maybe but I still believe he rates higher then him. If Miller gets what he wants I believe cowburn will be getting a lot more game time in the middle over the next few seasons

[stopper2]

Easing him in is one thing


The coach though needs to show some faith in him and actually bite the bullet and start him and not only that regularly play him in his actual position

Stop playing him at left back right back etc

Play him in his position and allow him a chance and actually put some confidence into the kid


The way many at the Jets are treated is piss poor. Stop playing them out of position and allow them to learn their role

^^^^
This

Liam Rose for the Gypos is I believe 2 years younger than Cowburn but even last season he was getting "nurtured" into that CM role for when Hutch retired. This season we are seeing more of him in that role and his development is continuing. This how you bring along a young player, by playing him in his best position and showing faith in him.

[plague]

Gotta admit, I'm getting a lot of enjoyment out of the Scott Miller coaching cycle.

After days like yesterday he's all like "yeah, see, this is what I've built how good am I going" then the next week he gets spanked 10-0 and is all like "nah these players are garbage and trash".

Entertaining.

[MFKS]

Bloke will be measured by his efforts in two things

Finishing above the Gypos
Beating them at Shittounge

Matter of fact a win in 1 of the 2 games at Shittounge will pretty much ensure we finish above them

28.2.16 is the day to deliver

[Jeterpool]

Bloke will be measured by his efforts in two things

Finishing above the Gypos
Beating them at Shittounge

Matter of fact a win in 1 of the 2 games at Shittounge will pretty much ensure we finish above them

28.2.16 is the day to deliver

Oooooh 4 days after the anniversary of the GF win....Would be only the second time we've done it too.

Do it Scotty!

[stopper2]

Wasn't feeling confident about finishing above the Gypos to be honest, but the performances of the past 2 weeks coupled with the quality shown by Ugarkovic and Nordstrand I think we are now well on target for our usual 7th or 8th position:rof:

[q-money]

don't jinx it ffs

[furns]

don't jinx it ffs
this

[Thomas477]

Welp, we're ****ed now.

[belchardo]

next tifo - "thanks a ****in' lot stopper2"

:grin:

[stopper2]

^^^^
Ha ha, you would think I said we are back in contention for the top 6 with those responses!
Seriously though with 9 games left, 2 against both the Gypos and Perth plus one more against Nix, if we come last from this position, we might as well just bloody fold!

[Jeterpool]

^^^^
Ha ha, you would think I said we are back in contention for the top 6 with those responses!
Seriously though with 9 games left, 2 against both the Gypos and Perth plus one more against Nix, if we come last from this position, we might as well just bloody fold!

I believe you need to eat something if you make an outlandish statement.

[MFKS]

don't jinx it ffs

This is the Newcastle Jets we talking about

Stopper2 has no bearing on jinxing these ****s

They do it themselves

Yeah even in Thailand they are ****s who are jinxed

[q-money]

jesus mate, in the love nest but you still can't give it up

[MFKS]

jesus mate, in the love nest but you still can't give it up

Sitting at airport for 3 hours.

Want to get out of here.

Not get morning nookie

[hawk]

Bloke will be measured by his efforts in two things

Finishing above the Gypos
Beating them at Shittounge

Matter of fact a win in 1 of the 2 games at Shittounge will pretty much ensure we finish above them



we wont beat gypos, we wouldnt know how to score a goal at browntongue. They'll find a mong way to score from a goal kick

[lquiquer]

we wont beat gypos, we wouldnt know how to score a goal at browntongue. They'll find a mong way to score from a goal kick

We might not win but we could rip few flares in the middle of the muppet show band performance ??!!..:tongue:

[hawk]

We might not win but we could rip few flares in the middle of the muppet show band performance ??!!..:tongue:

=win

[RAM]

^^^^
This

Liam Rose for the Gypos is I believe 2 years younger than Cowburn but even last season he was getting "nurtured" into that CM role for when Hutch retired. This season we are seeing more of him in that role and his development is continuing. This how you bring along a young player, by playing him in his best position and showing faith in him.

and losing every week?

[hawk]

and losing every week?

http://sourcingninja.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/bam.gif

[Bremsstrahlung]

Anyone else think Miller talks way too much about tactics, leading into a game?

[plague]

Serious though was that Millers missus sitting next to him at the Wanderers game?

[lquiquer]

Serious though was that Millers missus sitting next to him at the Wanderers game?

Bestest Valentine day present .... #wonderlove

[plague]

Bestest Valentine day present .... #wonderlove
Hahaha

[Jetmaster]

Bestest Valentine day present .... #wonderlove

Wanderlust.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od5JgUOZYEc

She looked reasonably tasty.

[leftrightout]

He is now at Mariners game... And yes good work Scotty, she is above your weight!

[belchardo]

He is now at Mariners game... And yes good work Scotty, she is above your weight!

He gets around! :gent:

[WolfMan]

He is now at Mariners game... And yes good work Scotty, she is above your weight!

This is all superficial and nothing to do with his ability as a manager - but I think young Scott is quite the dapper gentleman. Fair play to him, even though he has taken stock of Roger Ramjet's jawline

[leftrightout]

This is all superficial and nothing to do with his ability as a manager - but I think young Scott is quite the dapper gentleman. Fair play to him, even though he has taken stock of Roger Ramjet's jawline

It might not mean the world but at least its an effort and showing that he is out there being proactive watching our next two opponents.

[Hunter403]

Could be worse. He could just sit at home and watch it in Fox and get his coaching tips from Harper and Slater....

[plague]

Well well well.
Turns out it was all Carneys, Kantas and Poljaks fault.


SuperCoach.

[steve136]

If we'd played the whole season without Carney, we'd be winning the league.

Miller in.

[furns]

F*ck Watson tho

[Jeterpool]

F*ck Watson tho

Please let me talk about him on the pod this week

[WolfMan]

Please let me talk about him on the pod this week

If I was on, I'd talk about Leonardo. Somebody else can have a shot at him

[Jetmaster]

A bit of mania around this morning...however, we won both our last two home games against 10 men.

[rhysd]

We were going to win that game yesterday regardless of them going to 10 late on.

Leonardo was dangerous yesterday. His cross created the danger for the og and set up nords for the equaliser.

Looking much better.

Also, Watson is so slow. Provides no cover in the middle of the park.

[Tommyjet]

I respect Leonardo is getting better but I'd like to see his turnover stats. Such a frustrating player when he shows that the talent is there but he spends half the game walking, a quarter abusing his teammates (mostly when he is in the wrong), and the rest is mostly turnovers mixed in with some the occasional sublime skill.
I would like to see him play the ball off his teammates a bit more rather than dribbling a touch too far into traffic.
Also his first bit of 'end product' yesterday with the assist to nobbys nutcracker

[hawk]

F*ck Watson tho

which one

[plague]

I respect Leonardo is getting better but I'd like to see his turnover stats. Such a frustrating player when he shows that the talent is there but he spends half the game walking, a quarter abusing his teammates (mostly when he is in the wrong), and the rest is mostly turnovers mixed in with some the occasional sublime skill.
I would like to see him play the ball off his teammates a bit more rather than dribbling a touch too far into traffic.
Also his first bit of 'end product' yesterday with the assist to nobbys nutcracker

Give me this bloke doing this shit every ****ing week.

Better than the steaming pile of shit we've had there over the past few years.

His blowups are awesome. All the young blokes put their heads down or run for the hills but Milos is all like "chill the **** out Leo".

Would def pay money to see Leo and Alidovic throw hands at training.

[stopper2]

I respect Leonardo is getting better but I'd like to see his turnover stats. Such a frustrating player when he shows that the talent is there but he spends half the game walking, a quarter abusing his teammates (mostly when he is in the wrong), and the rest is mostly turnovers mixed in with some the occasional sublime skill.
I would like to see him play the ball off his teammates a bit more rather than dribbling a touch too far into traffic.
Also his first bit of 'end product' yesterday with the assist to nobbys nutcracker

Probably a fair comment, as long as his perceived "temperamental" issues aren't affecting the rest of the playing group in a negative way then we probably shouldn't dwell on it too much. It's a bonus having a player who takes on players like Leonardo and yes it would be ideal if he were to strike up more of a balance of passing the ball more often too, but the truth is that with him in the side we just look so much more effective in attack. When he beats a player, they are out of the equation and instead of say 5 on 4 it becomes 4 on 4 and it just creates more space for other team-mates, let alone the uncertainty it creates in the opposition defence who get pulled out of position trying to compensate.
Yes, can be a little frustrating at times but I wouldn't like to see him change his style of play too much.

[Tommyjet]

Probably a fair comment, as long as his perceived "temperamental" issues aren't affecting the rest of the playing group in a negative way then we probably shouldn't dwell on it too much. It's a bonus having a player who takes on players like Leonardo and yes it would be ideal if he were to strike up more of a balance of passing the ball more often too, but the truth is that with him in the side we just look so much more effective in attack. When he beats a player, they are out of the equation and instead of say 5 on 4 it becomes 4 on 4 and it just creates more space for other team-mates, let alone the uncertainty it creates in the opposition defence who get pulled out of position trying to compensate.
Yes, can be a little frustrating at times but I wouldn't like to see him change his style of play too much.
The only time I see praise for Leonardo is on here. The people that sit surrounding me at the game and those I talk to via various football circles don't rate him very much at all.
Yesterday he finally showed some end product. His stats and effectiveness is nowhere near good enough to warrant a contract extension. Despite him getting an assist last night, I believe nordstand needs to be brought closer to the action and would be far more productive than Leonardo.

[q-money]

Give me this bloke doing this shit every ****ing week.

Better than the steaming pile of shit we've had there over the past few years.

His blowups are awesome. All the young blokes put their heads down or run for the hills but Milos is all like "chill the **** out Leo".

Would def pay money to see Leo and Alidovic throw hands at training.
right on

christ, the bloke sets up two goals and gets hauled over the coals. imagine if he did 9/11 like gve did

[steve136]

right on

christ, the bloke sets up two goals and gets hauled over the coals. imagine if he did 9/11 like gve did

Yeah f*cking hell. Let's crucify the one guy on our league worst attack that is actually creative and looks threatening. He might have had four assists yesterday if our strikers/Alivodic didn't sh*t themselves in good positions. We're finally scoring some goals and people still want to have a go at the guy that is largely responsible for our turnaround.

[Jetmaster]

Most of the Fox crew reckon he is our diamond...and we are a different team without him.

[Wilso8948]

Alivodic is shit
Leonardo is not

[stopper2]

Most of the Fox crew reckon he is our diamond...and we are a different team without him.

Leonardo, okay I agree with some of what Tommyjet is saying but he is our "go to man" and most of the season it's been almost like chalk and cheese comparing the side to when he is playing and when he is not playing. The plus now though with having Nobby in the squad is that if Leonardo were to be out again, we would have the Dane available to slot straight into the #10 role rather than using Kitto or Cooper or Kanta

[Thomas477]

While Kitto or Cooper are our options, Leo needs to start.

[plague]

Leonard's anticipation, movement off the ball and positioning (to collect Milos' lovely touch) then acceleration, awareness and pass to set up Nobby is all you need to see to realise he's streets ahead of anyone else in our squad in that role.

he is always playing forward, and combined with the Ugabooga man being a positive DM (oh how I miss Stu) we are playing a lot more positive football.
With that comes mistakes. So ****ern what. Beats retreating into our box the second we get a lead.

[plague]

imagine if he did 9/11 like gve did

#jetfuelcantmeltpossessionstats

[OmeletteDuFromage]

right on

christ, the bloke sets up two goals and gets hauled over the coals. imagine if he did 9/11 like gve did

the planes had "great engines"

[plague]

the planes had "great engines"

Oh now see, this is fantastic.
This is how you do a good post on nf.net

Bravo

[lil_masi]

It was great that Miller came to the away bay before kick-off and thank the fans for travelling

[MFKS]

It was great that Miller came to the away bay before kick-off and thank the fans for travelling

That should be the ****ing normal

What he done yesterday is is his job.

Beat the Gypo scum in their own backyard.

The only games that matter are the F3 derbies.


Glad to see him delivering on this front

[Jeterpool]

Season
Points gained after being behind
Points lost after being ahead


05/06
1
5


06/07
5
2


07/08
6
4


08/09
2
20


09/10
1
15


10/11
2
6


11/12
9
6


12/13
2
10


13/14
4
16


14/15
2
18


15/16*
8
10



*Season to date

It's interesting to see there is a never-say-die attitude developing in the team. Granted it's best not to be in the position where you need to recover points in the first place, but when needed we are seeing the team actually can.

Now we need to develop the resilience we had back in season 05/06 - 07/08 where we didn't lose from ahead.

Note it can be deceiving because if you draw after being ahead, you've lost 2 points, where if you draw after being behind you only gain 1. A low number can also indicate we won matches outright or lost them too.

Anyway, just as a discussion point.

[stopper2]

Interesting stats mate, yes it looks to be our best season since 11/12 for coming from behind, which indicates 1/ never say die mentality 2/ the team is overall fitter than it has been for a few years. Over the years at home games we have dropped points at the death....even this season SFC, WSW & gypos earlier in the season....this is something we need to rectify.

[pv4]

I don't even remember being ahead of any team in 08/09 or 14/15. Surprised we were seemingly so many times.

[hawk]

Now we need to develop the resilience we had back in season 05/06 - 07/08 where we didn't lose from ahead.



score 1 then bore everyone to tears, 3pts baby

[hawk]

Anyway Miller has done the business now.

Won away at browntongue and almost consigned gypos to the spoon.

Season = successful end it now.

[stopper2]

Certainly been some positives under Miller this season and considering where were last season and the budget constraints under FFA we probably can't complain too much about where the club is at with 6 games to go. The disappointing thing for me is the seemingly lack of developing or "nurturing" of our young players apart from probably Jackson and Cowburn. Even Cowby has basically been used in a "stop-gap" role for most of this season as a LB rather than giving him valuable game-time in his best position in Centre Mid. Likes of Cooper and Pavicevic have been used very sporadically and numerous times left warming the bench for the whole game. Lundy hasn't been sighted since the 2nd game against SFC, apart from a few cameos warming the bench also. Kitto also had a brief period in the middle of the season where he made a few appearances, had a minor injury but also has been unsighted for weeks now.
I believe Cooper and Lundy are coming off contract at the end of this season, were they given enough opportunities to impress this season in order to get an extension on their contract?....probably not in my opinion.
Bringing our younger players up to A League level is something we need to start doing better as a club. I'm not saying any of these players should be regular starters but you look at likes of Kamau, Mauk, Borrello etc. who have either debuted this season or towards the end of last season and you can see them preogressing as players.
Oh and I also forgot Andy Brennan....Who???

[Frodo]

Certainly been some positives under Miller this season and considering where were last season and the budget constraints under FFA we probably can't complain too much about where the club is at with 6 games to go. The disappointing thing for me is the seemingly lack of developing or "nurturing" of our young players apart from probably Jackson and Cowburn. Even Cowby has basically been used in a "stop-gap" role for most of this season as a LB rather than giving him valuable game-time in his best position in Centre Mid. Likes of Cooper and Pavicevic have been used very sporadically and numerous times left warming the bench for the whole game. Lundy hasn't been sighted since the 2nd game against SFC, apart from a few cameos warming the bench also. Kitto also had a brief period in the middle of the season where he made a few appearances, had a minor injury but also has been unsighted for weeks now.
I believe Cooper and Lundy are coming off contract at the end of this season, were they given enough opportunities to impress this season in order to get an extension on their contract?....probably not in my opinion.
Bringing our younger players up to A League level is something we need to start doing better as a club. I'm not saying any of these players should be regular starters but you look at likes of Kamau, Mauk, Borrello etc. who have either debuted this season or towards the end of last season and you can see them preogressing as players.
Oh and I also forgot Andy Brennan....Who???

If you want to see what it looks like when you develop youth all year take a look at the Mariners this season.

[Frodo]

We haven't had a stable enough year tactics/form wise to start dumping youth kids into the game and expecting them to improve. As long as they are improving behind the scenes and as a squad we are improving then they will be able to earn new contracts. Cooper has looked better the few times he has come on in the 2nd half of the season than his earlier performances. Lundy will just have to work hard at training to prove that he can make a difference.

[RAM]

When you're good enough, you're old enough.

If Miller doesn't think they're good enough then so be it.

As for Cowburn playing out of position, Kewell had to play LB when he started in the UK...its just a normal part of breaking into a team. I'm happy with Ugar and Poljak and Kanta having the starting DM roles.

[Jeterpool]

Certainly been some positives under Miller this season and considering where were last season and the budget constraints under FFA we probably can't complain too much about where the club is at with 6 games to go. The disappointing thing for me is the seemingly lack of developing or "nurturing" of our young players apart from probably Jackson and Cowburn. Even Cowby has basically been used in a "stop-gap" role for most of this season as a LB rather than giving him valuable game-time in his best position in Centre Mid. Likes of Cooper and Pavicevic have been used very sporadically and numerous times left warming the bench for the whole game. Lundy hasn't been sighted since the 2nd game against SFC, apart from a few cameos warming the bench also. Kitto also had a brief period in the middle of the season where he made a few appearances, had a minor injury but also has been unsighted for weeks now.
I believe Cooper and Lundy are coming off contract at the end of this season, were they given enough opportunities to impress this season in order to get an extension on their contract?....probably not in my opinion.
Bringing our younger players up to A League level is something we need to start doing better as a club. I'm not saying any of these players should be regular starters but you look at likes of Kamau, Mauk, Borrello etc. who have either debuted this season or towards the end of last season and you can see them preogressing as players.
Oh and I also forgot Andy Brennan....Who???

I think to have 3 young players (Cowburn, Jackson and Ugarkovic) in our team featuring regularly is an achievement. Cowburn and Jackson are essentially shoe-horned in the position because we didn't recruit a reserve left back. I would think we'd have eassumed Ki-Je would still be here. Kitto can't get back into a winning team unfortunately.

I agree the likes of Borello and Kamau have come along this year, but Mauk has been in the City fold for maybe 3 years and only now is performing.

This year we needed to consolidate and improve on last year and Miller has relied heavily on experienced players. That's why we were seeing the likes of Cam Watson getting extended runs in the team.

Perhaps if we get to a point where finals are no longer a chance we will see a Brennan, Cooper or Pavicevic get a go especially if we don't see Enver, Nordstrand, Milos or Leo (being they're the direct squad competition those young players have) being part of the club next season. Cooper still has a year but to be honest, he has 32 appearances for the team already so I'd think he is quite established.

[stopper2]

We haven't had a stable enough year tactics/form wise to start dumping youth kids into the game and expecting them to improve. As long as they are improving behind the scenes and as a squad we are improving then they will be able to earn new contracts. Cooper has looked better the few times he has come on in the 2nd half of the season than his earlier performances. Lundy will just have to work hard at training to prove that he can make a difference.

Totally missed my point, maybe you should go back and read it again!

[Wilso8948]

I think to have 3 young players (Cowburn, Jackson and Ugarkovic) in our team featuring regularly is an achievement. Cowburn and Jackson are essentially shoe-horned in the position because we didn't recruit a reserve left back. I would think we'd have eassumed Ki-Je would still be here. Kitto can't get back into a winning team unfortunately.

I agree the likes of Borello and Kamau have come along this year, but Mauk has been in the City fold for maybe 3 years and only now is performing.

This year we needed to consolidate and improve on last year and Miller has relied heavily on experienced players. That's why we were seeing the likes of Cam Watson getting extended runs in the team.

Perhaps if we get to a point where finals are no longer a chance we will see a Brennan, Cooper or Pavicevic get a go especially if we don't see Enver, Nordstrand, Milos or Leo (being they're the direct squad competition those young players have) being part of the club next season. Cooper still has a year but to be honest, he has 32 appearances for the team already so I'd think he is quite established.

Mauk has moved to Adelaide I think?

Also I agree that once our season is gone we should blood some youngsters.. Within reason and not at the expense of regular starters who they are looking to keep next year.. Last few games can work well to form some chemistry and give blokes one last shot. It should however be relatively clear who they are and are not keeping by now.

[stopper2]

I think to have 3 young players (Cowburn, Jackson and Ugarkovic) in our team featuring regularly is an achievement. Cowburn and Jackson are essentially shoe-horned in the position because we didn't recruit a reserve left back. I would think we'd have eassumed Ki-Je would still be here. Kitto can't get back into a winning team unfortunately.

I agree the likes of Borello and Kamau have come along this year, but Mauk has been in the City fold for maybe 3 years and only now is performing.

This year we needed to consolidate and improve on last year and Miller has relied heavily on experienced players. That's why we were seeing the likes of Cam Watson getting extended runs in the team.

Perhaps if we get to a point where finals are no longer a chance we will see a Brennan, Cooper or Pavicevic get a go especially if we don't see Enver, Nordstrand, Milos or Leo (being they're the direct squad competition those young players have) being part of the club next season. Cooper still has a year but to be honest, he has 32 appearances for the team already so I'd think he is quite established.

You make some good points in reponse to my post and yes what you are saying does make a lot of sense Jeterpool.
I suppose Miller pretty much all season has taken a pretty conservative, low percentage approach to not only games this season but his selections abd he has every right to do that because at the end of the day it is the result that matters.
Having said that, there has been numerous times during the season where I feel in particular Cooper (and lesser extent Pav and Lundy) could have been thrown on with 15-20 to go, to not only see if he can make a difference but expose him more at this level. This is essesntially what I'm talking about not proposing to go down the Mariners path as Frodo has assumed I am getting at.
Anyway that's my opinion and going by the way many were asking the question of "Where's Cooper" earlier in the season, I think many would be in agreement with me.

[plague]

When you're good enough, you're old enough.


Pfffft, tell that to Adam Johnson.

[Wilso8948]

Pfffft, tell that to Adam Johnson.

And that's the end of that chapter *flicks scarf over shoulder*

[Jeterpool]

Mauk has moved to Adelaide I think?

Also I agree that once our season is gone we should blood some youngsters.. Within reason and not at the expense of regular starters who they are looking to keep next year.. Last few games can work well to form some chemistry and give blokes one last shot. It should however be relatively clear who they are and are not keeping by now.

Yeah he has moved to Adelaide. I was suggesting it took him maybe 3 years to get a decent opportunity and flourish in the starting XI more so than as a fringe player.

[Jeterpool]

Pfffft, tell that to Adam Johnson.

Wow. That's 15 internet points right there.

[Jeterpool]

You make some good points in reponse to my post and yes what you are saying does make a lot of sense Jeterpool.
I suppose Miller pretty much all season has taken a pretty conservative, low percentage approach to not only games this season but his selections abd he has every right to do that because at the end of the day it is the result that matters.
Having said that, there has been numerous times during the season where I feel in particular Cooper (and lesser extent Pav and Lundy) could have been thrown on with 15-20 to go, to not only see if he can make a difference but expose him more at this level. This is essesntially what I'm talking about not proposing to go down the Mariners path as Frodo has assumed I am getting at.
Anyway that's my opinion and going by the way many were asking the question of "Where's Cooper" earlier in the season, I think many would be in agreement with me.

The highlighted section I definitely agree with too. Getting 5 minutes here or there isn't going to do anyone any good. You're barely up to the flow of the game by the time the whistle goes.

That situation isn't going to present itself every match but when it does we certainly haven't taken it. Remember back earlier in the season we weren't using all our allocated subs each match? That screamed to me of a lack of trust in the quality of our squad's depth.

[The Camel]

The highlighted section I definitely agree with too. Getting 5 minutes here or there isn't going to do anyone any good. You're barely up to the flow of the game by the time the whistle goes.

That situation isn't going to present itself every match but when it does we certainly haven't taken it. Remember back earlier in the season we weren't using all our allocated subs each match? That screamed to me of a lack of trust in the quality of our squad's depth.

To be fair though, Pav played a few decent spells last season and had a few runs this year and nothing I have seen from him shows me that he is anything more than a NPL standard player like many others that have been through the club before, the players from other clubs mentioned (Borello, Mauk etc) are youth internationals many times over and the reason that the likes of Pav and Lundy have never made any of these sides is because they are not good enough. So to compare their lack of opportunity compared to Australia's best youth players that are at other clubs is a bit unfair. Cooper on the other hand could have had more minutes IMO but it appears after the first half against city early in the year he was not trusted by the gaffer until more recently.

[RAM]

To be fair though, Pav played a few decent spells last season and had a few runs this year and nothing I have seen from him shows me that he is anything more than a NPL standard player like many others that have been through the club before, the players from other clubs mentioned (Borello, Mauk etc) are youth internationals many times over and the reason that the likes of Pav and Lundy have never made any of these sides is because they are not good enough. So to compare their lack of opportunity compared to Australia's best youth players that are at other clubs is a bit unfair. Cooper on the other hand could have had more minutes IMO but it appears after the first half against city early in the year he was not trusted by the gaffer until more recently.

Playing for Oz at youth level is not a good indicator of quality for a senior contract.

Look at our past youth internationals and who made it at pro level.

[stopper2]

To be fair though, Pav played a few decent spells last season and had a few runs this year and nothing I have seen from him shows me that he is anything more than a NPL standard player like many others that have been through the club before, the players from other clubs mentioned (Borello, Mauk etc) are youth internationals many times over and the reason that the likes of Pav and Lundy have never made any of these sides is because they are not good enough. So to compare their lack of opportunity compared to Australia's best youth players that are at other clubs is a bit unfair. Cooper on the other hand could have had more minutes IMO but it appears after the first half against city early in the year he was not trusted by the gaffer until more recently.

Probably tend to agree with you on Pav, Lundy (as did Papas) on the other hand I believe did make some Joeys squads when he was younger and to be fair he hasn't exactly had enough opportunities at ALeague level to gauge whether he is in fact "good enough".
I remember a former KB United player telling me a story about a young David Lowe who was in the KB youth team and wasn't exactly the best player but the coach (not sure now who it was) saw something in him and believed he was ready for the next level. Don't think he was quite 18 but the coach gave him his starting debut, scores a brace and the rest is history....goes on to have an excellent career over 15 years in the NSL winning titles with premier club Marconi.
You just never know unless you give the player a go!

[Jetmaster]

I think that coach would have been Ken Kaiser.....and Lowie was playing off Mick Channon as well.

[BP Super Dynamos]

Everytime Pavicevic gets on the park he looks scared. Never looks to go forward or take on his man. Compare this to guys like Kamau, Pain, Clut and the gulf in class/talent/confidence is clear

[Jetmaster]

Everytime Pavicevic gets on the park he looks scared. Never looks to go forward or take on his man. Compare this to guys like Kamau, Pain, Clut and the gulf in class/talent/confidence is clear

This is a good point - there are some young kids that look confident and make an immediate impact (Kruse, Zullo, Goodwin, Austin, Barbar, that Jai kid etc). Many go on with it.

We have a history of bringing kids on that look like they are caught in headlights (Mooy, Virgili, Pav, Crowley, Pinto et al), who have a few goes from the bench, maybe get a full game if we are desperate and go nowhere. I can't remember anyone coming on and bossing a game apart from Holland, Taggart and possibly now, Ugarkovic. And only Holland had come through from the lower levels.

[stopper2]

I think that coach would have been Ken Kaiser.....and Lowie was playing off Mick Channon as well.
Whether or not he was playing off Mick Shannon or..... Diego Maradona.... is irrelevant as we are talking about giving young players a go.

[Jetmaster]

Whether or not he was playing off Mick Shannon or..... Diego Maradona.... is irrelevant as we are talking about giving young players a go.

The point was that Lowie was given an opportunity with great support from his coach and a quality mentor to work with.

I didn't expect the spanish inquisition.

[plague]

So Deans wins coach of the year and Miller doesn't get us to the finals yet again.

I think you know what you need to do Middleby.

[Couscous]

Extremely impressed after Miller's latest interview with the Herald. He wants a squad that is "younger, faster and fitter"; players who can press for 90 minutes and break fast on the counter. Players with good engines.

If Scott keeps echoing these mantras of the Jets' greatest-ever coach, he will have my support.

[The Dunster]

I didn't think Dillon and GVE were even on speaking terms. Good to see they patched things up.

[turbojetfireV8]

If Scott keeps echoing these mantras of the Jets' greatest-ever coach, he will have my support.

don't recall Branko ever saying that... :popcorn:

[Jeterpool]

Big Scotty surpassed the number of days in charge of his predecessor Phil "Moving Forward" Stubbins.

Most days in charge:

1. GvE v1 - 991
2. Branko - 827
3. GvE v2 - 823
4. Scotty - 389
5. Phil - 386

[GazFish35]

Watched him at work today.
They're looking sharp.

Mullen is a sweary chap.

[Jeterpool]

Watched him at work today.
They're looking sharp.

Mullen is a sweary chap.

How'd the new boys look and the fringe guys like Cooper Pav and Brennan?

[GazFish35]

Didn't see coop - doesn't mean he wasn't there.
I wasn't there for more than 40minutes

There were lots of faces I didn't recognise.

Clut looked sharp playing in a central attacking role is some shape drills.
TBH Brennan looked clumsy in the high press tight passing game they played.


Ando was white hot.
Balls retrieved quickly, bibs folded neatly, no empty water bottles.


I like the cut of the new assistants jib too. Can blow a whistle, and was in shorts.

[RAM]

Didn't see coop - doesn't mean he wasn't there.
I wasn't there for more than 40minutes

There were lots of faces I didn't recognise.

Clut looked sharp playing in a central attacking role is some shape drills.
TBH Brennan looked clumsy in the high press tight passing game they played.


Ando was white hot.
Balls retrieved quickly, bibs folded neatly, no empty water bottles.


I like the cut of the new assistants jib too. Can blow a whistle, and was in shorts.

Cooper was probably practising bench warming ahead of the season.

[Jeterpool]

Didn't see coop - doesn't mean he wasn't there.
I wasn't there for more than 40minutes

There were lots of faces I didn't recognise.

Clut looked sharp playing in a central attacking role is some shape drills.
TBH Brennan looked clumsy in the high press tight passing game they played.


Ando was white hot.
Balls retrieved quickly, bibs folded neatly, no empty water bottles.


I like the cut of the new assistants jib too. Can blow a whistle, and was in shorts.

Who looked to be ahead in the battle of the keepers?

[hawk]

They often look sharp at training. Then they get kicked to S'house on game day.

[plague]

They often look sharp at training. Then they get kicked to S'house on game day.

Obviously the witches hats aren't up to A-League level if they're making us look good.

[GazFish35]

Who looked to be ahead in the battle of the keepers?

BK was the one working in the shape and patterns session while the other keepers were being shot at by the squaddies.

Make of that what you will.

[plague]

BK was the one working in the shape and patterns session while the other keepers were being shot at by the squaddies.

Make of that what you will.

Oh man oh man oh man it's almost that time of year again.

[hawk]

BK was the one working in the shape and patterns session while the other keepers were being shot at by the squaddies.

Make of that what you will.

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[Grimario]

This comment has a potential of a 68 page discussion

BK, seasoned pro, ahead of Duncan, young keeper with less than 10 professional starts to his name.

It's not quite the same as fringe Socceroo vs local player only in the team because he has shit hair and is local or whatever the argument was.

[MFKS]

BK, seasoned pro, ahead of Duncan, young keeper with less than 10 professional starts to his name.

It's not quite the same as fringe Socceroo vs local player only in the team because he has shit hair and is local or whatever the argument was.

This will be the quote of all quotes when Duncan benches BK again

BK ain't gonna be able to hold the gig forever. Even if Millertime gives him a start he will eventually have to drop him when he sees his shit work at free kicks.

Like FFS Boogaard will give 3-4 of them away around the D a game.

As if BK can fool Millertime for long as he watches balls sail past him without diving

[plague]

BK, seasoned pro, ahead of Duncan, young keeper with less than 10 professional starts to his name.

It's not quite the same as fringe Socceroo vs local player only in the team because he has shit hair and is local or whatever the argument was.

Oh my god oh my god oh my god it's really happening you guys.
It's really really happening.
Praise be Griff what a time to be alive.

Let's gooooooooooooooooooooo

[q-money]

Let's gooooooooooooooooooooo

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[plague]

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/191238/bell_ringer_medium.gif

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--dZ-fAZrL--/rzmy7mvgldwgnxpu2o7l.gif

[plague]

Its happening again.....
http://www.starburstmagazine.com/images/120814/8.giant.jpg
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[GazFish35]

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[Jetmaster]

Yeah...well...um.... at least BK has got a club.....unlike "Lovemedo" who left some time ago now for promised fame and riches.

:trolls:

"Keepermania III"

[MFKS]

Yeah...well...um.... at least BK has got a club.....unlike "Lovemedo" who left some time ago now for promised fame and riches.

:trolls:

"Keepermania III"

Gee is that the best you BK fan Bois have got??

[Jetmaster]

Gee is that the best you BK fan Bois have got??

We don't take this shit as seriously - the whole thing is usually dead until someone sees BK standing between the sticks and goes postal.

[Grimario]

We don't take this shit as seriously - the whole thing is usually dead until someone sees BK standing between the sticks and goes postal.

So, what you are saying is you wouldn't di(v)e for your cause?

[stopper2]

Its happening again.....
http://www.starburstmagazine.com/images/120814/8.giant.jpg
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--7JwMJMcV--/ex5rsfmes1bwkj3b0iuo.gif

Who's the freaky looking guy in the top pic? Is that you plague?

[Grimario]

Who's the freaky looking guy in the top pic? Is that you plague?

It's The Giant from Twin Peaks, you uncultured swine!

[plague]

It's The Giant from Twin Peaks, you uncultured swine!

Thank you Grim.
If I'd said the same they'd accuse me of misogyny.

Still one of the all time spookiest TV scenes ever.
Glad you got the reference.

[mervan]

Last year

[stopper2]

At the Forum last night listening to Miller speak, he does remind me a little like a politician in that a couple of times he babbled on without actually answering the question but nonetheless he makes a lot of sense in what he says. a lot of times as supporters we are quick to fire shots without knowing the full story or the big picture behind the scenes.
Last season was virtually like "ground zero" and like starting the club all over again and building the foundations all over again with the basics. Keeping that stability and continuity is the key now and I totally agree that throwing big dollars at a big name Marquee is not the priority for the club at this stage of the rebuilding process.
Miller is confident that he is building and strengthening the team now with players that he thinks can take the club to the next level...although I disagree to a certain extent that he "inherited" the squad last year (as mentioned by Andy Roberts); yes to a certain extent but not entirely....as mentioned, bringing in a Marquee would potentially change the dynamics of the squad and even the relationships within the squad. I can certainly see the logic behind this.
As we've seen in the 11 year history of the A League no Marquee player guarantees success.

[MFKS]

At the Forum last night listening to Miller speak, he does remind me a little like a politician in that a couple of times he babbled on without actually answering the question but nonetheless he makes a lot of sense in what he says. a lot of times as supporters we are quick to fire shots without knowing the full story or the big picture behind the scenes.
Last season was virtually like "ground zero" and like starting the club all over again and building the foundations all over again with the basics. Keeping that stability and continuity is the key now and I totally agree that throwing big dollars at a big name Marquee is not the priority for the club at this stage of the rebuilding process.
Miller is confident that he is building and strengthening the team now with players that he thinks can take the club to the next level...although I disagree to a certain extent that he "inherited" the squad last year (as mentioned by Andy Roberts); yes to a certain extent but not entirely....as mentioned, bringing in a Marquee would potentially change the dynamics of the squad and even the relationships within the squad. I can certainly see the logic behind this.
As we've seen in the 11 year history of the A League no Marquee player guarantees success.

Personally I felt for the most part he was full of shit

The last thing he said about not being happy with last season's results and believing it wasn't good enough struck a cord with me

That being said I don't think he has done enough on the transfer market to address it this season coming


I found his remarks about young players being given a go by him far from the truth. He blew a lot of smoke up the arse of the EJ kids he has had filling in at first team training. If he thinks they are good enough then he is either lying or delusional. These are the kids who conceded 10 in the NPL two weeks ago

They also conceded 7 V Olympic early this season

They are not a patch on recent sides at that level

If they were as good as he claimed he would have put them on NYL deals by now

As for his claim the fans in Newy got very negative last season when we were going through our mid season meltdown and his claim that we were good at it.


He does realise it was his shitful coaching that was seeing the side strangled with the bus parking shit that was the problem??


Matter of fact the only bloke who came out of it with any increased reputation in my eyes was Griffiths

[plague]

Matter of fact the only bloke who came out of it with any increased reputation in my eyes was Griffiths

How handsome did the Griff look? immaculate as ever?

As for Miller, his early season performances of coaching like a coward then blaming the players was a disc-race.

towards the end of season through some good recruiting (which he should be credited with) saw the teams personality change for the better.

if he keeps going forward with that then awesome.
if he goes back to the tripe tactics he dished up early doors then I'm not interested.

guess we'll find out soon enough huh.

[Negative Police]

Personally I felt for the most part he was full of shit

The last thing he said about not being happy with last season's results and believing it wasn't good enough struck a cord with me

I found his remarks about young players being given a go by him far from the truth. He blew a lot of smoke up the arse of the EJ kids he has had filling in at first team training. If he thinks they are good enough then he is either lying or delusional. These are the kids who conceded 10 in the NPL two weeks ago

They are not a patch on recent sides at that level

If they were as good as he claimed he would have put them on NYL deals by now

As for his claim the fans in Newy got very negative last season when we were going through our mid season meltdown and his claim that we were good at it.


He does realise it was his shitful coaching that was seeing the side strangled with the bus parking shit that was the problem??


Matter of fact the only bloke who came out of it with any increased reputation in my eyes was Griffiths

allo allo allo what ave we here. Negativity? Be careful pal.

[The Special One]

allo allo allo what ave we here. Negativity? Be careful pal.

Hello multi friend.

Have fun in this place. If you don't get off to a good start you are forever tarnished, speaking from experience. Kinda like the prem.

[Jetmaster]

Last season, Miller came in late with little preparation and half a squad. I think he had a couple of months to cobble together a side with little money.

Started well, went wrong in the middle of the season and improved significantly later in the season.

As a rookie coach, if he learnt from that barren period and has adapted to suit (looks like he has), all is well.

[Jeterpool]

Last season, Miller came in late with little preparation and half a squad. I think he had a couple of months to cobble together a side with little money.

Started well, went wrong in the middle of the season and improved significantly later in the season.

As a rookie coach, if he learnt from that barren period and has adapted to suit (looks like he has), all is well.

Miller was appointed 18/6. Pre-season started 22/6 under JP while Miller packed up. We had the remains of Stubbins squad less Pepper and Neville who went to WSW.

This season we started pre-season training 27/6.

[Grimario]

allo allo allo what ave we here. Negativity? Be careful pal.


Hello multi friend.

Have fun in this place. If you don't get off to a good start you are forever tarnished, speaking from experience. Kinda like the prem.

They've become self aware.

[plague]

allo allo allo what ave we here. Negativity? Be careful pal.

This is the worst Captain Obvious Tribute Band ever.

[Captain Oblivious]

I am honoured to have a tribute band formed for me.

[plague]

I am honoured to have a tribute band formed for me.

See.
THIS is how it's done.
Bravo sir.

[rhysd]

Miller was appointed 18/6. Pre-season started 22/6 under JP while Miller packed up. We had the remains of Stubbins squad less Pepper and Neville who went to WSW.

This season we started pre-season training 27/6.


Shhh.. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good yarn.

[plague]

Shhh.. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good yarn.

yeah but you realise that he had his best run straight away.

so if the pre-season was a shambles why did he go good early doors?

not like there was a steady incline as he worked his magic was there?

[Hunter403]

If Miller says "in terms of" again I will hunt him down and shove his loafers in his mouth.

[Thomas477]

If Miller says "in terms of" again I will hunt him down and shove his loafers in his mouth.

Still a bit annoyed about last nights game? Haha.

[Hunter403]

Still a bit annoyed about last nights game? Haha.

Never a great loser. Yes. Annoyed and injured.

[rhysd]

yeah but you realise that he had his best run straight away.

so if the pre-season was a shambles why did he go good early doors?

not like there was a steady incline as he worked his magic was there?

Various reasons.

Squad depth was challenged earlier than what Miller and JP would have hoped for. Labi out. Leo getting injured. As soon as we had Leo return to the team on a more consistent basis and January windo opened.. The results picked back up.

Not rocket science.

[plague]

As soon as we had Leo return to the team on a more consistent basis and January windo opened.. The results picked back up.

Not rocket science.

Well I'm no rocket scientist but why did he then get rid of the bloke who was fundamental to his success?

[GazFish35]

Injury prone has been not working hard enough off the ball for where he wants to take the squad this season.

Just a hunch from another non astronautical engineer

[Grimario]

As an actual astronautical engineer, I'm not qualified to comment on how we played like we did at various times last season.

[MFKS]

Various reasons.

Squad depth was challenged earlier than what Miller and JP would have hoped for. Labi out. Leo getting injured. As soon as we had Leo return to the team on a more consistent basis and January windo opened.. The results picked back up.

Not rocket science.
??

I thought we parked the bus and mugged teams early on as they struggled to find their form

Once they got their act together we were found out

Millertime persisted with his park the bus plan until he had no other choice.

Then the handbrake came off and we started to have a go

The signings of Nobby and Stevie U helped but let's not forget we had Leaky G and DevonHead at the start of the season so it ain't like our squad depth was any greater at the back of the season as it was at kick off time

[stopper2]

Had a chuckle to myself last week at the Kotara Forum when in reference to a former striker being off-side quite a lot, McKinna mentioned how Miller was real big on analysing and stats.
They seemed to have a little laugh about the whole thing as if it was some inside joke....maybe they do check out comments on here! :rof:

[plague]

Had a chuckle to myself last week at the Kotara Forum when in reference to a former striker being off-side quite a lot, McKinna mentioned how Miller was real big on analysing and stats.
They seemed to have a little laugh about the whole thing as if it was some inside joke....maybe they do check out comments on here! :rof:

wonder who assists The Gypo to read?

[Frodo]

wonder who assists The Gypo to read?

This is why we are friends Plague.

I can just picture one of Mr Lee's translators looking at Lawrie's blank expression and scribbling down a little picture to explain things to him.

[plague]

This is why we are friends Plague.

I can just picture one of Mr Lee's translators looking at Lawrie's blank expression and scribbling down a little picture to explain things to him.

i imagine it the other way

1. Plague says thing on foz
2. 'Foz user X' offers a very poor understanding and opinion on it.
3. Gypo assistant reads post
4. Gypo assistant assists Gypo in understanding.
5. Gypo relates post to Mr Lee's translator.
6. Mr Lee is convinced Dani Alves is an overall more effective player than Iniesta and Xavi.
7. Mr Lee hates Plague.






well, looks like we got the result we were after huh.

[plague]

This is why we are friends Plague.

oh, and please let it not go without comment that the Plague values your friendship and kind words.

cheers.

[Jeterpool]

oh, and please let it not go without comment that the Plague values your friendship and kind words.

cheers.

When did Plague start talking in the 3rd person?

[plague]

When did Plague start talking in the 3rd person?

Plague has no idea what you're on about.

[Captain Obvious]

When did Plague start talking in the 3rd person?

The name 'Plague' is more of a persona rather than a real person so the forum user behind it would sometimes acknowledge that either intentionally or inadvertently.

[Jeterpool]

The name 'Plague' is more of a persona rather than a real person so the forum user behind it would sometimes acknowledge that either intentionally or inadvertently.

That's not very obvious. Kudos to you for realising this point.

[MFKS]

The
The name 'Plague' is more of a persona rather than a real person so the forum user behind it would sometimes acknowledge that either intentionally or inadvertently.

So you saying Plague is in fact a multi??

But instead of one person having multiple accounts we are through the looking glass where multiple people operate the one account??

[lquiquer]

The

So you saying Plague is in fact a multi??

But instead of one person having multiple accounts we are through the looking glass where multiple people operate the one account??

Yeah and they "assist" one another

[plague]

The

So you saying Plague is in fact a multi??

But instead of one person having multiple accounts we are through the looking glass where multiple people operate the one account??

Yes.
Just don't tell Plague that.
He's a bit fragile at present.

[MFKS]

Yes.
Just don't tell Plague that.
He's a bit fragile at present.
Whooaa

Blown away

[MFKS]

So bloke has failed to beat the ****ing useless GYPO SCUM twice in pre season


Days are numbered with this shit

[furns]

While it's frustrating, I couldn't give a f*ck if we lose to the gypos in preseason.
I care what the result is when there are points up for grabs.

However to get this back on topic, I think that the club will give Scott until Christmas to prove he should get a contract extension. If not, they will install their own choice.

[hawk]

doesnt matter its only a trial against struggling team. We'll be undefeated when the real stuff kicks off cause playing for points makes us heaps better

[parksey]

It's bad enough that we even play the gypos in pre-season let alone losing to a team without a coach.

[MFKS]

While it's frustrating, I couldn't give a f*ck if we lose to the gypos in preseason.
I care what the result is when there are points up for grabs.

However to get this back on topic, I think that the club will give Scott until Christmas to prove he should get a contract extension. If not, they will install their own choice.

See Furns that's where this club falls down

It is the couldn't give a **** attitude amongst the coaching department fans and admin that lets us all down

Losing to these ****ers in the coin toss shouldn't be accepted
Losing in a game shouldn't be accepted
Losing in pre season is still not an excuse

FFS they got tossed out of the Cup by an NPL side and they just sacked their coach and have an interim ****wit in charge.

Losing is not acceptable to these ****wits

[scarfy96]

Damn frustrating I agree but we went into these games with zero recognised strikers!

Noddy - injured
Labi - injured
kok - not here yet.

Anyone any idea on the time frame for Noddy and Labi? Clearly our new striker is here as of this week.

Having some firepower up front and playing brown in behind could dramatically change the outcome.

No Boogs either so I guess that saves us a send off.

Prepared to give him to the start of the season to start to really get things in shape but if he starts talking about "work in progress" and 2nd half of the season and stuff I will be less impressed.

[GazFish35]

Kyle Chalmers's pre-Olympic form meant diddly.
So does our pre-season.

Focusing on winning meaningless games and ignoring the bigger picture - you know, "competition points" - geez that plan sounds brilliant.

[stopper2]

Yeah sure we want to beat the Gypos everytime we play them but whether it's Jaffas U/14C's or Man U, pre-season games are about looking at new players in the squad, experimenting with players in different positions and playing different combinations/formations so that come round 1 the coach is confident he is putting out his best starting XI and that the players themselves know what is expected of them.
Come round 7 and it looks like the players are still clueless and unsure of what their roles are as a unit then.....we have a problem.

[turbojetfireV8]

look at the bright side. scum are now crowing like they are world beaters, can't wait till round one when they get smacked off the park and have to face reality they really are too s'hit to be in the league, will just strengthen the Gong's cause... ;)

[MFKS]

Kyle Chalmers's pre-Olympic form meant diddly.
So does our pre-season.

Focusing on winning meaningless games and ignoring the bigger picture - you know, "competition points" - geez that plan sounds brilliant.
Worked well for Muppet when we were unable to win games in Pre Season

Just carried in into the season

I think your being ridiculously optimistic.

This isn't Barcelona getting beaten by Liverpool knowing they are able to let Iniesta and Neymar loose in the future and that Messi and Suarez will find form

We are still one of the least talented teams in the League.

Ain't gone turn our blokes into World beaters just because the points are on offer.

[lquiquer]

Come round 7 and it looks like the players are still clueless and unsure of what their roles are as a unit then.....we have a problem.

Didn't know you had a crystal ball Stopper2.....:tongue:

[turbojetfireV8]

while you lot are all foreseeing the future so clearly here - albeit the pessimist's version - come up with a useful bit of foresight and give us all the f'n lotto numbers thanks, otherwise I for one aint gonna believe your doom and gloom predictions are anything more than off-season keyboard warrior boredom... :deadhorse:

[scarfy96]

This isn't Barcelona getting beaten by Liverpool knowing they are able to let Iniesta and Neymar loose in the future and that Messi and Suarez will find form

No it isn't but we went into all 3 pre-season games so far without a single recognised striker. Brown in make shift role, 3 main strikers either injured or not here yet. Also first choice centre back not yet playing.

That is pretty significant. None of them are Messi or Suarez sure but we aren't playing against Chelsea or Madrid either.

I think any A-League team would struggle without their 3 first choice strikers and first choice centre back. Depth isn't there for any team to cope with that well.

Time will tell however.

[Retro Jet]

It'll all smooth over once the Clown gets here.

[parksey]

Kyle Chalmers's pre-Olympic form meant diddly.
So does our pre-season.

Focusing on winning meaningless games and ignoring the bigger picture - you know, "competition points" - geez that plan sounds brilliant.

Don't agree with this logic at all.

Melbourne Victory or the Wanderers would not be happy losing a game to the Mariners even if it was in pre-season. It just shows a lack of a winning mentality and a poor all-round attitude to brush off these types of results as "meaningless".

Of course we don't get any points out of a game like this but winning is winning, especially when it's against not only a local rival but a team without a coach.

[lquiquer]

Don't worry the coach said he was happy with the effort despite the 1-2 loss....:brrr:

[halo se7en]

Don't worry the coach said he was happy with the effort despite the 1-2 loss....:brrr:

Sounds like we hit the post at least 3 or 4 times? Doesn't really come down to preparation or tactics does it?

I can guarantee without a shadow of a doubt, that when we inevitably win a game 1-0 away from home, the first comments will be from you negative ****ers..

"It's just papering over the cracks"
"We were lucky"
"If we played someone better, we would have got hammered"

[plague]

You forgot "it's all BK's fault".

[lquiquer]

Sounds like we hit the post at least 3 or 4 times"

Sounds like you didn't watch the game....:whistling:

[MFKS]

Sounds like we hit the post at least 3 or 4 times? Doesn't really come down to preparation or tactics does it?

I can guarantee without a shadow of a doubt, that when we inevitably win a game 1-0 away from home, the first comments will be from you negative ****ers..

"It's just papering over the cracks"
"We were lucky"
"If we played someone better, we would have got hammered"

Probably because when the day arrives we win a game 1-0 away from home it will be down to sheer arse with us jagging a goal out of no where probably coming off one of our players arse as we are unable to string 4 passes together the rest of the game.

The opponent having 400 shots and not be able to score in a brothel with a fistful of fifties

Because that is what usually happens.

It ain't like we ever put on a clinical 1-0 away day where the opponent rarely troubles us and we look like a competent side playing the perfect away game

[GazFish35]

Don't agree with this logic at all.

Melbourne Victory or the Wanderers would not be happy losing a game to the Mariners even if it was in pre-season. It just shows a lack of a winning mentality and a poor all-round attitude to brush off these types of results as "meaningless".

Of course we don't get any points out of a game like this but winning is winning, especially when it's against not only a local rival but a team without a coach.

but you don't really think behind closed doors he'd be legit fuming.
just not playing it out through the media.

[lquiquer]

but you don't really think behind closed doors he'd be legit fuming.
just not playing it out through the media.

Why hiding it?.... Get out there and express it and stop pretending there was enough positives that it will all be ok...soon...

[leftrightout]

Just head to the NEWFM thread in local football to see what preseason means.
ZPL team consistently beat NEWFM teams in preseason but it means nothing and you can't compare teams in preseason... apparently!

[lquiquer]

Just head to the NEWFM thread in local football to see what preseason means.
ZPL team consistently beat NEWFM teams in preseason but it means nothing and you can't compare teams in preseason... apparently!

Yeah but when you play the Gypos you beat them... Simple

[GazFish35]

Why hiding it?.... Get out there and express it and stop pretending there was enough positives that it will all be ok...soon...

Quick way to lose the dressing room

[MFKS]

but you don't really think behind closed doors he'd be legit fuming.
just not playing it out through the media.

Competent Managers use the media to take the pressure off their players, put it on their players and mind **** the opposition

Look at Ferguson and Mourinhio masters at it

Quite happy to have a dig at their own when and where needed

As for Millertime maybe giving these blokes a public rocket up the arse is just what they need.
Blokes need to actually see that performance is not acceptable and need to deliver higher standards.

If the players are too soft to deal with a public spraying g then they can go

It ain't like we have a quality enough squad anyway that any of them are irreplaceable

As for losing the dressing room

FMD

These ****s have achieved nothing in 8 years except failure


What exactly is there to be fearful of that under performing players will under perform again??

Strong Physcological messages need to be sent through the media by players coaches and the Gypo CEO


Our players coaches and fans need to get on the page that losing is not acceptable and we have to set ****ing standards that people are expected to meet

[halo se7en]

Competent Managers use the media to take the pressure off their players, put it on their players and mind **** the opposition

Look at Ferguson and Mourinhio masters at it

Quite happy to have a dig at their own when and where needed

As for Millertime maybe giving these blokes a public rocket up the arse is just what they need.
Blokes need to actually see that performance is not acceptable and need to deliver higher standards.

If the players are too soft to deal with a public spraying g then they can go

It ain't like we have a quality enough squad anyway that any of them are irreplaceable

As for losing the dressing room

FMD

These ****s have achieved nothing in 8 years except failure


What exactly is there to be fearful of that under performing players will under perform again??

Strong Physcological messages need to be sent through the media by players coaches and the Gypo CEO


Our players coaches and fans need to get on the page that losing is not acceptable and we have to set ****ing standards that people are expected to meet

And yet when Miller talked about the players needing to improve fitness and mentality etc in an interview only the other day, people complained that he was blaming the players and not taking any responsibility.

[halo se7en]

Sounds like you didn't watch the game....:whistling:

No I didn't watch the game, I read the report afterwards.

"Clut gave the Jets - who also hit the woodwork twice in the first half through wingers Andrew Hoole and Andrew Nabbout - the lead in the 36th minute when he turned Jason Hoffman’s precise cross into the back of the net."

"We were very dominant in the first half [and] I was very pleased with that, though hitting the crossbar and the post was hard to take."

I've obviously added up those quotes in my head to make '3 or 4'.. even if it was twice, my point remains the same.

[GazFish35]

Competent Managers use the media to take the pressure off their players, put it on their players and mind **** the opposition

Look at Ferguson and Mourinhio masters at it

Quite happy to have a dig at their own when and where needed

As for Millertime maybe giving these blokes a public rocket up the arse is just what they need.
Blokes need to actually see that performance is not acceptable and need to deliver higher standards.

If the players are too soft to deal with a public spraying g then they can go

It ain't like we have a quality enough squad anyway that any of them are irreplaceable

As for losing the dressing room

FMD

These ****s have achieved nothing in 8 years except failure


What exactly is there to be fearful of that under performing players will under perform again??

Strong Physcological messages need to be sent through the media by players coaches and the Gypo CEO


Our players coaches and fans need to get on the page that losing is not acceptable and we have to set ****ing standards that people are expected to meet



sweet. except Miller is 2 years into a career as top dog, not like Mo and Sir A
that'd be like expecting Kale Bradbury to step into the a-league and score like Zlatan. - at least be realistic in our criticism.
and Sir A and Mo have a squad depth strong enough to bench Juan Mata or whoever - or the ability to sell and buy a replacement

what makes you so certain the message isn't being delivered at training and not through the press?

some of these players are irreplaceable given the salary cap rules
if casting off dead shits who cant cop a spray though the media was possible, brennan, pav and cooper would be riding the pine in the Darwin NPL.


what's there to be fearful of?
a 7-0 loss in Adelaide when the players clearly don't give a ****
being ear marked as manager who can't man manage
continuing the ckluster**** that has been this club and still struggling to attract a better quality player/squad

there's a reason the top job in football is called a Manager. You have to manage a squad, not fly off half cocked and piss people off.


and before you go on about accepting failure etc etc etc etc etc etc
its not about accepting failure - its recognising the reality of the situation and putting in place a plan to rectify the absolute kluster**** that we've been for nearly a decade

expecting this to all be sorted straight away by "not accepting failure" and charging through change 100 mile an hour while ignoring the restrictions in place that make rapid change near impossible in this league borders on delusion.

we've been ****ed for years - its going to take some time

[Bremsstrahlung]

No I didn't watch the game, I read the report afterwards.

"Clut gave the Jets - who also hit the woodwork twice in the first half through wingers Andrew Hoole and Andrew Nabbout - the lead in the 36th minute when he turned Jason Hoffman’s precise cross into the back of the net."

"We were very dominant in the first half [and] I was very pleased with that, though hitting the crossbar and the post was hard to take."

I've obviously added up those quotes in my head to make '3 or 4'.. even if it was twice, my point remains the same.

Allow me member,
You don't win games by hitting the post ffs. You win games by scoring, can hit the post 2838844 times and still lose the game.
Saying we played well and created chances means nothing, might as well go join our failure Olympians on the "almost good enough pension"

/MFKS logic

*removes tongue from cheek*

[hawk]

Allow me member,
You don't win games by hitting the post ffs. You win games by scoring, can hit the post 2838844 times and still lose the game.
Saying we played well and created chances means nothing, might as well go join our failure Olympians on the "almost good enough pension"

/MFKS logic

*removes tongue from cheek*

needs a couple more "aints" and f**ks but spot on there

[MFKS]

Allow me member,
You don't win games by hitting the post ffs. You win games by scoring, can hit the post 2838844 times and still lose the game.
Saying we played well and created chances means nothing, might as well go join our failure Olympians on the "almost good enough pension"

/MFKS logic

*removes tongue from cheek*
Actually having an HAL contract with the Jets and being a government funded Olympian are about on par

Both get paid more money than they deserve with no end performance in effect and offering up piles of excuses for failure

[GazFish35]

Bit like the cricket team

[Jetmaster]

Bit like the cricket team

And the Knights..

[plague]

Wait, what?

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Wait, what?

WAIT, WHAT!!! Why would they sack him now?! WTF