Miller - He's Out (pg 25)

[Bon]

What the fvck is going on??? Why sack him?

[Jeterpool]

Classic jerks

[Bon]

Classic jerks

Yep, as has been said..
Back to business as usual..

[Jeterpool]

Least this stops the GK chat

[borat]

Lee tells Miller to sign the Chinese trialist. Miller gives him a couple of late subs appearances (10-20mins) and then leaves him in China. I suspect this had something to do with it. Not often the club sides with the assistant who has been there all of 1-2 months.

[borat]

NBN/McKinna saying that Miller and Trani fell out over footballing matters. Will be interesting what those matters turn out to be.

[la bazzle]

Fuking lol. Newcastle we Dun it!

[evolution]

Another season of the "it wasn't his squad" excuse hey!

[Grimario]

Just you ****ing wait.


Hutcho for coach.
Mrdja for strength and conditioning coach.
McBreen had two seasons at Shanghai SIPG F.C. so that qualifies him as Chinese. Expect it to be announced after the NPL GF.


Gypo takeover complete.

[steve136]

What a joke, especially if this is because Miller politely pointed out that Chinese players suck.

[northern_swan]

Just when it looked like preseason was going smoothly.

[Wilso8948]

Haha **** me.. You just have to laugh don't you.

[Thomas477]

Lee tells Miller to sign the Chinese trialist. Miller gives him a couple of late subs appearances (10-20mins) and then leaves him in China. I suspect this had something to do with it. Not often the club sides with the assistant who has been there all of 1-2 months.

I reckon this is it tbh

[borat]

I reckon this is it tbh

My wild speculation is Trani didn't agree with Miller on not playing the trialist. Clearly the instructions from the owner was to play and to sign him up or have a damn good reason not to.

[Retro Jet]

Least this stops the GK chat

:rof:

[Wilso8948]

We've out Gypoed the Gypos

Branko - Tinkler
Miller - Lee

Same same

[plague]

Least this stops the GK chat

Not unless he got sacked because he kept playing BK over Duncan on that China tour.......


Makes you think.

[plague]

Imagine the hot lava takes pouring out the good Members mouth into an empty void right now.

[borat]

Imagine the hot lava takes pouring out the good Members mouth into an empty void right now.

haha yup........mentally preparing his "I told you so" post I would think

[late_to_the_game]

From what I have seen of Miller (coaching conferences etc) this will be about the owner not making the resources available to make an honest shot at being competitive. The Chinese player may be part of that - if he was told he has to play a player who is not up to it...

Scott struck me as someone who was not going to wait around if everyone else was not serious about success.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

So Lawrie says on Twitter, nothing to do with the Chinese player... Hmmmmmmm

[Grimario]

So Lawrie says on Twitter, nothing to do with the Chinese player... Hmmmmmmm

Hmmm.

[hawk]

fk u lee

[Roundball Enthusiast]

fk u lee

Our new Head Coach.

[plague]

an honest shot at being competitive.

this is the bloke that continually subbed on defenders down in games with 5 mins to go.

[cobra23]

Miller out lord griff in

[mervan]

Best news all year, got what he deserved

[Jeterpool]

Scott Miller

May not have had the best overall record, but he was coming into a steaming pile of horseshit left by Stubbins and Tinkler. Shame we'll never get to see what he could have achieved this year.

* 29 games in charge, made up of 27 A-League and 2 FFA Cup
* W-D-L was 8 wins, 6 draws and 15 losses.
* First coach to do the treble over the Nix
* First coach to win in Gosford in 2696 days.
* First time since Season 3 we have gone undefeated against the Gypos in a regular season.
* First coach to lead us to victory from two goals down. That's at any time, let alone half time
* Only GvE (144) and Branko (59) have managed us in more matches.
* In charge for 447 days - third longest serving in Jets history
* Average goals for 1.069, Goals conceded 1.586
* Second worst win percentage in Jets coaching history
* Coach with most points attained from behind (8) in Jets history in one season.

I feel a sense emptiness because we didn't get to see what he could achieve. Sure we had fun at his talking in circles, and big words that really told us nothing and he gave us a wonderful drinking game. But this bloke and his team brought me 2 of the best live match experiences I've had. He brought me such a great night watching us come from 2 down at He got the derby and what it meant. He got the crowd. He got the active support.

I mean, there really wasn't much debate about his position. We were by the most behind him in support.

The club have worked so hard to rebuild their image with the fans, and with one act we are back to square one. Any new coach has to win over the fans, but most importantly the players - the majority I assume are loyal to Miller.

I hope they realise what they've done and how hard it will be rebuild the trust of a fan base who sadly know this sort of experience all too well.

[borat]

You could sense from his interviews with the press that there was a tense relationship with the new owner. I always thought this would end in tears just not so soon

[sammydog]

Scott MillerI hope they realise what they've done and how hard it will be rebuild the trust of a fan base who sadly know this sort of experience all too well.

I have heard from a few people that they are calling tomorrow to try and cancel their membership. Ive not heard this tyre of action before, may take more rebuilding of trust than the club realises.

Some people are saying that Miller made an ultimatum, the assistant coach or him, and that the Chinese see this as disrespect. That is all well and fine, but Mr Lee needs to be more culturally aware of the fan base (as much as the staff and players need to be culturally aware of the chinese) or he will very quickly end up with nothing.

[borat]

We had a Chinese coach out here observing a month back did we not. Never was really explained what that was about. Makes you wonder

[mervan]

I have heard from a few people that they are calling tomorrow to try and cancel their membership. Ive not heard this tyre of action before, may take more rebuilding of trust than the club realises.

Some people are saying that Miller made an ultimatum, the assistant coach or him, and that the Chinese see this as disrespect. That is all well and fine, but Mr Lee needs to be more culturally aware of the fan base (as much as the staff and players need to be culturally aware of the chinese) or he will very quickly end up with nothing.

Are you inferring that Miller was respectfull

[stopper2]

Not unless he got sacked because he kept playing BK over Duncan on that China tour.......


Makes you think.

Could be a factor too.
Maybe Miller deciding to leave 3 squad players behind and bring in 3 youth players may have annoyed a lot of people too....coaching staff and team-mates.
Just do not know.
Hopefully it all comes out in the wash....we hope.

[borat]

Could be a factor too.
Maybe Miller deciding to leave 3 squad players behind and bring in 3 youth players may have annoyed a lot of people too....coaching staff and team-mates.
Just do not know.
Hopefully it all comes out in the wash....we hope.
I would like to know, but doubt you will hear another word from Lawrie. Scott would be meeting with his lawyers tomorrow I would suspect

[sammydog]

Are you inferring that Miller was respectfull

No, but having knee jerk reactions and sacking anyone you feel is disrespectful is never going to end well.

Wonder how he will respond to fan hostility in the stands.

[stopper2]

I have heard from a few people that they are calling tomorrow to try and cancel their membership. Ive not heard this tyre of action before, may take more rebuilding of trust than the club realises.

Some people are saying that Miller made an ultimatum, the assistant coach or him, and that the Chinese see this as disrespect. That is all well and fine, but Mr Lee needs to be more culturally aware of the fan base (as much as the staff and players need to be culturally aware of the chinese) or he will very quickly end up with nothing.

Seems some people are very easy to please, I mean cancelling your Membership over a coach who won four home games all season last year and got us in 8th position. Sure there were positives and Jeterpool has done a great job in highlighting them above with his statistics but a good leader brings people along with him, he doesn't make them. Miller for a rookie coach seemed to think he already knew it all, does anyone stop and think that maybe his abrasive personality were the reasons why Jones left early on in the piece and why JPD only lasted one season with him???

[Jetmaster]

The usual suspects say they are cancelling every time there's a crisis...ffs.
Definitely some over reacting on social media.
It's only another coach after all.

[hawk]

I have heard from a few people that they are calling tomorrow to try and cancel their membership. Ive not heard this tyre of action before, may take more rebuilding of trust than the club realises.

Some people are saying that Miller made an ultimatum, the assistant coach or him, and that the Chinese see this as disrespect. That is all well and fine, but Mr Lee needs to be more culturally aware of the fan base (as much as the staff and players need to be culturally aware of the chinese) or he will very quickly end up with nothing.

Some public corporal punishment would have sufficed

[plague]

I feel a sense emptiness because we didn't get to see what he could achieve. Sure we had fun at his talking in circles, and big words that really told us nothing and he gave us a wonderful drinking game. But this bloke and his team brought me 2 of the best live match experiences I've had. He brought me such a great night watching us come from 2 down at He got the derby and what it meant. He got the crowd. He got the active support.

I mean, there really wasn't much debate about his position. We were by the most behind him in support.

The club have worked so hard to rebuild their image with the fans, and with one act we are back to square one. Any new coach has to win over the fans, but most importantly the players - the majority I assume are loyal to Miller.

I hope they realise what they've done and how hard it will be rebuild the trust of a fan base who sadly know this sort of experience all too well.

Counterpoint:
Brought on defenders in the last 5 minutes when trailing.
Continually threw his players under the bus early in the season (granted he improved that towards the end).
Didnt re-sign Griff.
Spoke in such gravy that no one in the city was interested in going to those crummy matches (except the 3,500 that did out of obligation).
Tried to be flash by wearing suits but never shaved so looked like a real estate agent "between jobs".
Shook hands with Hutcho, wouldn't be shocked if thats why he really got the ass.

[sammydog]

The usual suspects say they are cancelling every time there's a crisis...ffs.
Definitely some over reacting on social media.
It's only another coach after all.

The people I am referring to aren't usual suspects. These are people who have been following various newcastle teams since KB. Never before have I heard any of these waiver or re-consider membership.

After years of false hope, people are starting to crack.

[mervan]

Coaches come and go, what you see is not always what you get

[The Dunster]

Our squad is below par, the owner is a nut job, and we don't have a coach. Vintage Jets.

[GazFish35]

Normal service resumed.

[evanhayes5]

I have heard from a few people that they are calling tomorrow to try and cancel their membership. Ive not heard this tyre of action before, may take more rebuilding of trust than the club realises.

Some people are saying that Miller made an ultimatum, the assistant coach or him, and that the Chinese see this as disrespect. That is all well and fine, but Mr Lee needs to be more culturally aware of the fan base (as much as the staff and players need to be culturally aware of the chinese) or he will very quickly end up with nothing.

(long time lurker first time poster.)



From what I have heard from my sources at the club, and from talking with others with knowledge this is what occurred on the china trip leading up to todays decision, whether this is true Im not sure, this is what I have been told from my sources. McKinna had no control over this decision, wouldnt be surprised to see him walk in the coming days.

- Scott was not present for the start of the china trip, only arrived an hour prior to the first match to meet with the group
- Luciano was not happy that everything was dumped on him regarding preparation for this match
- Luciano throughout the trip had bad mouthed Scott behind his back to other staff members, (perhaps one of the staff went back to Scott with this info?)
- Second game I am to believe there was a mishap regarding the team sheet, hence why at one stage just after half time we were down to 10 and the asian team scored, I remember reading on Lawrie's twitter or instagram about a player being sent off, with no red card shown. (From previous experience filling out the team sheet is something an assistant or team manager does)
- Luciano is told after this match that he is no longer required on the trip, subsequently he returns back to australia.

Thats all I know from what I been told, now the rest is just pure speculation from me as to what occurred afterwards.

- Trani returns back to Australia, and goes to higher ups (Ledman Group??? Board?) with his side of the story regarding what happened, Scott doesnt seem like the sort of person to hold back so he probably tore Trani a new one for not checking team sheet properly (imagine if that had occurred in an A League match)
- Trani not happy he got mugged of by someone younger than him and someone he considers to have less experience
- Whether or not Trani told the whole truth or added something extra to make Scott look bad remains to be known
- Trani is close mates with new Chinese assistant coach, where as Scott wasnt. This Chinese coach obvs has very good connections with Ledman Group guessing Trani used this to his advantage.
- perhaps the china man wasnt happy with the way Scott treated him, only adding fuel to the fire

- Not sure whether Scott was given a chance to explain his side of the story, i feel the ultimatum thing might be correct or ledman have just backed Trani over Scott.

Im sure stuff regarding the treatment of Cooper, Brennan and Pavicevic , along with the reluctancy to give Ma Lei Lei more minutes also contributed to Scotts dismissal.

From putting all the pieces together seems Trani has knifed Scott in the back because he was sent home, now he actually might end up with a head coaching role, something which he has never had before in the A-league, maybe this why he has joined the jets, cause he knew this was the quickest route to him getting a head gig.

[skullboy]

So Lawrie says on Twitter, nothing to do with the Chinese player... Hmmmmmmm

This has got EVERYTHING to do with the Chinese triallist......

[halo se7en]

The usual suspects say they are cancelling every time there's a crisis...ffs.
Definitely some over reacting on social media.
It's only another coach after all.

It's not just another coach. It's the timing. It's letting Miller fill the squad and spend most of the pre-season with the team before sacking him. It's that we appear to have a snake for an AM, so if he isn't promoted, will he just do the same to the next guy? It's that our owner is going to meddle in the team selection. It's a combination of all these things that will likely lead to a very frustrated and disrupted playing group. It's the instability that Jets fans were dreading again, and means Lee is well behind the 8 ball if he wants to appear different than Con or Tinkler. Miller wasn't perfect, but he did a great job pulling us out of the absolute shit heap Stubbins & co created. He deserved another year to improve on what he was building. Lee mustn't have had a problem with that for the first few months.

[turbojetfireV8]

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4149060/jets-in-turmoil-after-miller-sacked/?cs=306
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4149842/back-up-coach-now-in-spotlight/?cs=306

[turbojetfireV8]

can we have a Trani out thread now please? no-one likes a backstabber...

[borat]

(long time lurker first time poster.)



From what I have heard from my sources at the club, and from talking with others with knowledge this is what occurred on the china trip leading up to todays decision, whether this is true Im not sure, this is what I have been told from my sources. McKinna had no control over this decision, wouldnt be surprised to see him walk in the coming days.

- Scott was not present for the start of the china trip, only arrived an hour prior to the first match to meet with the group
- Luciano was not happy that everything was dumped on him regarding preparation for this match
- Luciano throughout the trip had bad mouthed Scott behind his back to other staff members, (perhaps one of the staff went back to Scott with this info?)
- Second game I am to believe there was a mishap regarding the team sheet, hence why at one stage just after half time we were down to 10 and the asian team scored, I remember reading on Lawrie's twitter or instagram about a player being sent off, with no red card shown. (From previous experience filling out the team sheet is something an assistant or team manager does)
- Luciano is told after this match that he is no longer required on the trip, subsequently he returns back to australia.

Thats all I know from what I been told, now the rest is just pure speculation from me as to what occurred afterwards.

- Trani returns back to Australia, and goes to higher ups (Ledman Group??? Board?) with his side of the story regarding what happened, Scott doesnt seem like the sort of person to hold back so he probably tore Trani a new one for not checking team sheet properly (imagine if that had occurred in an A League match)
- Trani not happy he got mugged of by someone younger than him and someone he considers to have less experience
- Whether or not Trani told the whole truth or added something extra to make Scott look bad remains to be known
- Trani is close mates with new Chinese assistant coach, where as Scott wasnt. This Chinese coach obvs has very good connections with Ledman Group guessing Trani used this to his advantage.
- perhaps the china man wasnt happy with the way Scott treated him, only adding fuel to the fire

- Not sure whether Scott was given a chance to explain his side of the story, i feel the ultimatum thing might be correct or ledman have just backed Trani over Scott.

Im sure stuff regarding the treatment of Cooper, Brennan and Pavicevic , along with the reluctancy to give Ma Lei Lei more minutes also contributed to Scotts dismissal.

From putting all the pieces together seems Trani has knifed Scott in the back because he was sent home, now he actually might end up with a head coaching role, something which he has never had before in the A-league, maybe this why he has joined the jets, cause he knew this was the quickest route to him getting a head gig.

Miller did turn up late to China, filming something with Fox I think, and there was a point in the 2nd game where Lawrie tweeted we were playing with 10 men.

This sounds quite close to the mark. Sounds like you have good sources.

Noting the chinese assistant is still here and the circumstances of his arrival, you wouldn't think Scott would have been awfully close to him whereas you can see Trani whiteanting. And the fact Lawrie is open in saying it has nothing to do with him. How else does Trani get such influence in a short space of time.

Pleased to see Lawrie stated this morning that Trani would not get the top job.

[pv4]

By rough count, Trani has been @ Wellington, Adelaide, Brisbane, City & now us. Surely someone can see he's leaving paths of destruction behind him?

[pv4]

If Scott Miller reads this foz & this thread, I'd just like to say thankyou for all the work you put into our squad. We haven't had a coach in so many years that has played a system to suit the capabilities of the players - you got us playing a no-nonsense game that attempted to work with the positives of the players and tried to make up for the negatives each player had.

Cheers mate, best of luck in the future.

[plague]

If Scott Miller reads this foz & this thread, I'd just like to say thankyou for all the work you put into our squad. We haven't had a coach in so many years that has played a system to suit the capabilities of the players - you got us playing a no-nonsense game that attempted to work with the positives of the players and tried to make up for the negatives each player had.

Cheers mate, best of luck in the future.

Thanks mate.

[R Ramjet]

never trust a tranny !

[The Dunster]

The Jets should go all out and sign this bloke either as the new coach or a Marquee striker.

Better yet, sign him up as the No. 1 Keeper - no opposition players would want to enter the 18 yard box with this bloke in goal.

Fits all the criteria and sends the right message to the fans about how serious the club is when it comes to winning.


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/c6/86/b2/c686b22ce8ff5438da52df6face24b60.jpg

[Wilso8948]

Still think there's more to this. How does an assistant of a few months overrule the manager. I feel Lee is a better businessman then that.

Just can't wait till a ball is kicked and we can focus on how shit we are on the pitch rather then off it.

[The Dunster]

Still think there's more to this. How does an assistant of a few months overrule the manager. I feel Lee is a better businessman then that.

Just can't wait till a ball is kicked and we can focus on how shit we are on the pitch rather then off it.

You should read the Art of War. I'm sure Mr Lee has.


“Engage people with what they expect; it is what they are able to discern and confirms their projections. It settles them into predictable patterns of response, occupying their minds while you wait for the extraordinary moment — that which they cannot anticipate.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

[borat]

I think Evan Hayes's post above is as close to a an understandable reason as I have seen.

The Chinese assistant was obviously sent here to judge Miller and see how he performed. And Miller does seem like the standoffish type. Can easily see the assistants ganging up here to roll Miller.
It's the only other line of comunication to Lee that I can see if McKinna was not involved.

I also don't think Lee thinks twice about firing a coach. They come and go very quickly in Chinese football

[Couscous]

Scott doesnt seem like the sort of person to hold back


Miller does seem like the standoffish type

Can we resolve this dilemma please? Just who is the real Scott Miller?

Perhaps the Jetstream can line up an interview and fire some quick Myers-Briggs questions at him.

[borat]

Lawrie quoted this morning saying "the fans will never know the true story"

This is one f*cked up club if the expect fans to hand over cash to be kept in the dark

[halo se7en]

From McKinna's twitter, I get the feeling he's gone soon as well.

[The Dunster]

The main function of a CEO is to take the heat for any unpopular decisions or actions made by the Chairman / Owner.
Lawrie McKinna will have no choice now but to walk otherwise people will incorrectly conclude that the decision to sack Miller was his.

Props to the FFA as well for letting this arse clown Lee take over our club. Once again we have been thrown to the sharks.

[halo se7en]

The main function of a CEO is to take the heat for any unpopular decisions or actions made by the Chairman / Owner.
Lawrie McKinna will have no choice now but to walk otherwise people will incorrectly conclude that the decision to sack Miller was his.

Props to the FFA as well for letting this arse clown Lee take over our club. Once again we have been thrown to the sharks.

Everyone's an expert with hindsight.

[steve136]

Everyone's an expert with hindsight.
It wasn't our jobs to do due diligence on Lee and ensure that he had the best interests of the club at heart.

[evanhayes5]

I think Evan Hayes's post above is as close to a an understandable reason as I have seen.

The Chinese assistant was obviously sent here to judge Miller and see how he performed. And Miller does seem like the standoffish type. Can easily see the assistants ganging up here to roll Miller.
It's the only other line of communication to Lee that I can see if McKinna was not involved.

I also don't think Lee thinks twice about firing a coach. They come and go very quickly in Chinese football

As I have been told, Scott didnt like the fact he had an assistant he didnt want in the Chinese guy, heard he didnt let him do much in training, rather gave him the 3 boys on the outer and told him to do whatever he wanted with those 3.

Luc and the asian coach were seen to be close, so Im guessing that after Luc got sent home he used the chinese guy's contacts to go to Ledman. Rest is history.

We will never know what actually happened as Scott has supposedly signed some sort of confidentiality agreement. Still dont get how the club can back an assistant over the head coach.

100% been told and even McKinna confirmed this, has nothing to do with the Chinese trialist, apparently he did ok on the trip.

So its just comes down to what happened between Luciano and Scott.

[plague]

Everyone's an expert with hindsight.

unless of course you were against it from the start.

what the double eff aye wouldn't do right now to go back in time and just help Con get through his troubles.

[plague]

As I have been told, Scott didnt like the fact he had an assistant he didnt want in the Chinese guy, heard he didnt let him do much in training, rather gave him the 3 boys on the outer and told him to do whatever he wanted with those 3.


(ok so I'm replying to speculation)

BUT

this is my problem with Miller.

after the crap he pulled early doors last year throwing his players under the bus, he then thinks its ok to belittle a fellow professional coach by not letting him perform his duties?

Miller is not the almighty. he is an important link in the chain of how the football club works. this old school attitude is done. its not how you manage people theses days.

these wankers need to stop reading Fergie biographies.


next.

[borat]

As I have been told, Scott didnt like the fact he had an assistant he didnt want in the Chinese guy, heard he didnt let him do much in training, rather gave him the 3 boys on the outer and told him to do whatever he wanted with those 3.

Luc and the asian coach were seen to be close, so Im guessing that after Luc got sent home he used the chinese guy's contacts to go to Ledman. Rest is history.

We will never know what actually happened as Scott has supposedly signed some sort of confidentiality agreement. Still dont get how the club can back an assistant over the ok head coach.

100% been told and even McKinna confirmed this, has nothing to do with the Chinese trialist, apparently he did ok on the trip.

So its just comes down to what happened between Luciano and Scott.

If this is the case then the club is going to lose a lot of supporters. The club want to build a loyal strong fanbase who turn up week in/out, then sack a coach for what I see as petty reasons that shoild have been resolved. Then they double down by feeding us bullshit and refusing to explain their actions.

[borat]

(ok so I'm replying to speculation)

BUT

this is my problem with Miller.

after the crap he pulled early doors last year throwing his players under the bus, he then thinks its ok to belittle a fellow professional coach by not letting him perform his duties?

Miller is not the almighty. he is an important link in the chain of how the football club works. this old school attitude is done. its not how you manage people theses days.

these wankers need to stop reading Fergie biographies.


next.

"Belittle a fellow professional coach"? Where are you getting that from?

All I see is an assistant who thinks he is better than his boss. Should have found another job if he didn't beleive in what he was doing. Dead man walking now.

[edit- you are talking about the Chinese asst not Trani. My bad. Still don't see this as belittling but Miller should have known that would not end well for him]

[borat]

And no sooner do I post that then it's confirmed Trani has been sacked as well. Good riddance

[hawk]

So its just comes down to what happened between Luciano and Scott.

Trani ran the Lee like a coward weasel and said he wont let me coach. Miller already had the boys going the right way and didnt need some 2 bit slappa interfering right now.

So the guy who helps sack Miller is out too. cvnts everywhere

[plague]

"Belittle a fellow professional coach"? Where are you getting that from?



from this part of the report I was responding to:

heard he didnt let him do much in training, rather gave him the 3 boys on the outer and told him to do whatever he wanted with those 3.

In the same way making players run laps instead of training is belittling. Funny that no one was on the coaches side when Stubbins was pulling that shit on the players.

[borat]

from this part of the report I was responding to:


In the same way making players run laps instead of training is belittling. Funny that no one was on the coaches side when Stubbins was pulling that shit on the players.

See my edit

[plague]

See my edit

i see you dawg.
http://www.counter-currents.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Donald-Trump-Finger-Pointing.jpg

[borat]

i see you dawg.
http://www.counter-currents.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Donald-Trump-Finger-Pointing.jpg
Haha now now.

[plague]

Haha now now.

thats a plague compliment.

[R Ramjet]

Didnt even have a chance to start a TRANI OUT THREAD

[StannyCFCJET]

Zane caretaker role atm he deserves top job imo and its worrying how it seems our ceo doesnt have any power

[A.J.]

Clackas Knackas **** yeah

[sammydog]

Zane caretaker role atm he deserves top job imo and its worrying how it seems our ceo doesnt have any power

Same as it ever was under Tinkler.

[q-money]

the people's champ clacka zane back on top of things, if i recall correctly he's still unbeaten right?

[Hunter403]

Damn, I really want to hear the Member on this. It's like waiting for a cold beer on a hot day; you know it's going to be good and one will not be enough.

[hawk]

right bunch of Bradbury's.

There's a bloke over there who's not sacked and has a proper licence, welcome to Jets zany

[A.J.]

the people's champ clacka zane back on top of things, if i recall correctly he's still unbeaten right?
That 5-0 against Phoenix was under Clacka

[borat]

So apparently the players refused to train today under Trani which proceeded his sacking.

Good luck on getting another job Luch. You are going to need it.

[q-money]

That 5-0 against Phoenix was under Clacka
also unbeaten against the gypos

[Jeterpool]

the people's champ clacka zane back on top of things, if i recall correctly he's still unbeaten right?

Nope. But don't want to spoil a story

[Jeterpool]

So apparently the players refused to train today under Trani which proceeded his sacking.

Good luck on getting another job Luch. You are going to need it.

First training is tomorrow

[borat]

First training is tomorrow

Reported by SBS and Goal that the players said they would not train for Trani

[edit - possibly refused to train tomorrow but point still the same]

[Jeterpool]

Reported by SBS and Goal that the players said they would not train for Trani

[edit - possibly refused to train tomorrow but point still the same]

Do we need to start fighting now?

[stopper2]

Trani ran the Lee like a coward weasel and said he wont let me coach. Miller already had the boys going the right way and didnt need some 2 bit slappa interfering right now.

So the guy who helps sack Miller is out too. cvnts everywhere

Yeah I'm with you Pauline....ah sorry hawk, we cant' have a slappa "interfering" but hey we can have a slappa paying the licence for the club and paying the bills so that we have a club in Newcastle playing in the A League.
Has it dawned on you yet that there is a bigger picture involved here? It's not just about the Newcastle Jets. The Chinese want to be a powerhouse within 10 years in football and want to invest in football and improve their coaching first and foremost. Daresay that Lee wants to expand his ledman Group brand into Australia as well.
Are you sure you are a football person hawk because you have the uncultured outlook of a leaguie?

[stopper2]

(ok so I'm replying to speculation)

BUT

this is my problem with Miller.

after the crap he pulled early doors last year throwing his players under the bus, he then thinks its ok to belittle a fellow professional coach by not letting him perform his duties?

Miller is not the almighty. he is an important link in the chain of how the football club works. this old school attitude is done. its not how you manage people theses days.

these wankers need to stop reading Fergie biographies.


next.

Have to say you are 100% spot on plague.
I'm positive I heard just recently how he was praising Trani how they were on the same page blah blah blah. They go to China and all of a sudden Trani is trying to undermine him because Scotty's ego is bigger then the team and the club!!!
Ego and lack of respect seem to be 2 common themes I am hearing about Miller in the aftermath. Worth mentioning that there were signs last year in his treatment of certain players in the media.

[mervan]

Have to say you are 100% spot on plague.
I'm positive I heard just recently how he was praising Trani how they were on the same page blah blah blah. They go to China and all of a sudden Trani is trying to undermine him because Scotty's ego is bigger then the team and the club!!!
Ego and lack of respect seem to be 2 common themes I am hearing about Miller in the aftermath. Worth mentioning that there were signs last year in his treatment of certain players in the media.

He went from fitness coach at Fulhem to head coach at the jets really quickly

[plague]

Have to say you are 100% spot on plague.


I just read what you said about Hawk.
I don't want you on my side.

[plague]

Have to say you are 100% spot on plague.


thats not to say this part isn't accurate and truth though.

[borat]

Do we need to start fighting now?
Haha don't shoot the messenger

[pv4]

Bk fanbois should rejoice that Clacka is in charge - JD will 100% be riding the pine now.

What I will say about Miller is its fairly obvious he puts his coaching staff in there place. See how quickly Jonesy left last year. But tbf it doesn't feel like Miller has had even close to a say in who is staff is - they've all seemed forced onto him.

[plague]

they've all seemed forced onto him.

Teammates are forced onto each other.
Coaches are forced onto players.
Weather conditions are forced onto everyone.
His title has the word 'manager' in it for a reason.

Miller ain't got it perfect but serious who the **** is he anyway?

If the boss (owner) says "this is how we are rolling" then he's just gotta make it work.

I'm sure after he wins his first Champiobs League or World Cup he can pick and choose his own krew.

[GazFish35]

Teammates are forced onto each other.
Coaches are forced onto players.
Weather conditions are forced onto everyone.
His title has the word 'manager' in it for a reason.

Miller ain't got it perfect but serious who the **** is he anyway?

If the boss (owner) says "this is how we are rolling" then he's just gotta make it work.

I'm sure after he wins his first Champiobs League or World Cup he can pick and choose his own krew.

I agree to a point.
The manager is always one the takes the blame, so at done point you've gotta give a Manager full control. It gives them no excuses.

[stopper2]

I just read what you said about Hawk.
I don't want you on my side.

Yeah, ok but surely you agree with the "bigger picture" involved here?

[stopper2]

I agree to a point.
The manager is always one the takes the blame, so at done point you've gotta give a Manager full control. It gives them no excuses.

Yes, to a certain extent but surely if the owner who is paying your wages and that of the whole operation, states that he would like this person involved with the coaching, you at least make an effort to accomodate his wishes....if you want to keep your job?

[plague]

I agree to a point.
The manager is always one the takes the blame, so at done point you've gotta give a Manager full control. It gives them no excuses.

Miller hasn't taken any blame since the day he got here.

Also, hes a nobody*, full power goes to coaches who earn it.
he has zero leverage.
play the hand you've got, then build some chips up.


*in terms of experience, success etc.

[halo se7en]

The issue is why wait so long if Lee wanted his own guys in there? Sure the PR wouldn't have been great if Miller was sacked as soon as Lee got here, but it would have been shitloads better than right now.

[GazFish35]

Miller hasn't taken any blame since the day he got here.

Also, hes a nobody*, full power goes to coaches who earn it.
he has zero leverage.
play the hand you've got, then build some chips up.


*in terms of experience, success etc.

Agreed, but he's be always able to dodge blame because he never had full control.
While I agree he doesn't deserve full power, I reckon last years progress earns him enough leverage to pick his own assistants.


He's gone now (might be back tomorrow) so it's all moot I spose,

Timing sucks, the best thing the next bloke inherits is the "it's not my squad" card.

[hawk]

Timing sucks, the best thing the next bloke inherits is the "it's not my squad" card.

this. Give him this season first then stab him in the back. cowards

[borat]

Miller is certainly self confident, egotistical and seems to not work well with his subordinates.

And none of that is any excuse for plunging the club into turmoil, yet again. They should have either made a change in July or committed to the year under Miller and recruited another Managerat the end of the season.

There were parts to his arrogance that were quite likeable and the fact he hadn't earned his stripes, according to some around here, made him even more likable. The guy 1000% believed in himself and what he was doing and that seemed to rub off on the players. He also didn't play the woe is me/small club card which he easily could have given the circumstances.

But clearly he also had his flaws. I don't buy into the bitchy sniping that seems to infect this club every time a new manager steps in and changes things. Players can leave if they don't like it. But what is telling to me is 2 things that I think go to his character.

The first is what Emma raised in Twitter, that Miller signed off on the appointment of Trani yet never even met him nor even spoke to him. This is an assistant who he will work side by side, day in day out. Anyone here who is involved in recruitment will know how important it is to get this right and how unsettling it can be if the wrong person is hired. And Miller seemingly didn't give a stuff. Then after signing the guy, wants him sacked within 2-3 months and refuses to take part in mediation. I don't care if Miller was OS, you pick up the phone or you don't recruit until you can put the time in. This to me is the sign of someone who makes snap decisions, and quite possibly sending Trani home from China was another. It may also have been justified but no one knows what was said.

The second was what has been rumoured that Miller was dismissive of the Chinese assistant and gave him meaningless tasks. I can understand to a degree when we have a shoe string staff and the Chinese assistant has been thrust upon him, but anyone with some cop on will know that this guy was here to report back to Ledman and therefore should be treated well. This is a sign of poor decision making imo.

But as I said, these are reasons you look elsewhere at the end of his contract, not sack him 4 weeks out from the start of the comp.

[plague]

Millers disdain for assistants smacks of paranoia and a lack of confidence (despite the public face).

bloke should look at AFL blokes like Clarkson and Roos.
Successful in their own right but actively delegate work and campaigned for their assistants to get head coaching jobs elsewhere (regardless of any detrimental effect it had on his own career).
Surprise surprise their two clubs have not only been 2 of the most successful in recent history but have spawned countless new head coaches successful in their own right.

Miller wants it all to himself then wonders why no one has his back.

[furns]

Millers disdain for assistants smacks of paranoia and a lack of confidence (despite the public face).

bloke should look at AFL blokes like Clarkson and Roos.
Successful in their own right but actively delegate work and campaigned for their assistants to get head coaching jobs elsewhere (regardless of any detrimental effect it had on his own career).
Surprise surprise their two clubs have not only been 2 of the most successful in recent history but have spawned countless new head coaches successful in their own right.

Miller wants it all to himself then wonders why no one has his back.really? Long bow drawn there when there were zero issues last season with JPM. Sounds a clear case of personalities clashing to me.
Didn't help with Luc whiteanting Scott with the Chinese assistant according to Ray Gatt on DFS podcast.

[halo se7en]

really? Long bow drawn there when there were zero issues last season with JPM. Sounds a clear case of personalities clashing to me.
Didn't help with Luc whiteanting Scott with the Chinese assistant according to Ray Gatt on DFS podcast.

No facts thanks. Only wild speculation allowed.

[stopper2]

Miller is certainly self confident, egotistical and seems to not work well with his subordinates.

And none of that is any excuse for plunging the club into turmoil, yet again. They should have either made a change in July or committed to the year under Miller and recruited another Managerat the end of the season.

There were parts to his arrogance that were quite likeable and the fact he hadn't earned his stripes, according to some around here, made him even more likable. The guy 1000% believed in himself and what he was doing and that seemed to rub off on the players. He also didn't play the woe is me/small club card which he easily could have given the circumstances.

But clearly he also had his flaws. I don't buy into the bitchy sniping that seems to infect this club every time a new manager steps in and changes things. Players can leave if they don't like it. But what is telling to me is 2 things that I think go to his character.

The first is what Emma raised in Twitter, that Miller signed off on the appointment of Trani yet never even met him nor even spoke to him. This is an assistant who he will work side by side, day in day out. Anyone here who is involved in recruitment will know how important it is to get this right and how unsettling it can be if the wrong person is hired. And Miller seemingly didn't give a stuff. Then after signing the guy, wants him sacked within 2-3 months and refuses to take part in mediation. I don't care if Miller was OS, you pick up the phone or you don't recruit until you can put the time in. This to me is the sign of someone who makes snap decisions, and quite possibly sending Trani home from China was another. It may also have been justified but no one knows what was said.

The second was what has been rumoured that Miller was dismissive of the Chinese assistant and gave him meaningless tasks. I can understand to a degree when we have a shoe string staff and the Chinese assistant has been thrust upon him, but anyone with some cop on will know that this guy was here to report back to Ledman and therefore should be treated well. This is a sign of poor decision making imo.

But as I said, these are reasons you look elsewhere at the end of his contract, not sack him 4 weeks out from the start of the comp.

Every once in a while someone posts something on the Foz which one thinks "hey, he took the words right out of my mouth, only articulated it even better".
Borat's post is one of those.
Bravo

[stopper2]

really? Long bow drawn there when there were zero issues last season with JPM. Sounds a clear case of personalities clashing to me.
Didn't help with Luc whiteanting Scott with the Chinese assistant according to Ray Gatt on DFS podcast.

How do we know without any certainty whether JPM didn't have any issues? Maybe JP was professional enough just to see out the season and just do his job but once the season was over he was pretty quick to get out of the joint and head off back to Victory. Maybe he just wanted to reunite with Musky again or the money was better.....

Curious as to what this "whiteanting Scott" by Luc actually means, can you elaborate, what did he actually do?

[borat]

How do we know without any certainty whether JPM didn't have any issues? Maybe JP was professional enough just to see out the season and just do his job but once the season was over he was pretty quick to get out of the joint and head off back to Victory. Maybe he just wanted to reunite with Musky again or the money was better.....

Curious as to what this "whiteanting Scott" by Luc actually means, can you elaborate, what did he actually do?

From what I have heard, he whinged to anyone who would listen and constantly put him down, after a some 1-2 months in the job. This includes in the carpark after training infront of members of the public.

I think it's pretty harsh to suggest JP had problems with Miller when JP reasons for moving back to Newcastle, and back to Melbourne, were due to the health of his wife. To suggest otherwise would mean JP is using his wife's health as an excuse, and I don't think that is likely

[stopper2]

From what I have heard, he whinged to anyone who would listen and constantly put him down, after a some 1-2 months in the job. This includes in the carpark after training infront of members of the public.

I think it's pretty harsh to suggest JP had problems with Miller when JP reasons for moving back to Newcastle, and back to Melbourne, were due to the health of his wife. To suggest otherwise would mean JP is using his wife's health as an excuse, and I don't think that is likely

Sorry Borat but in the first sentence I am assuming you are referring to Trani whinging about Miller....is that what you are implying as I'm not 100% sure.

[borat]

Sorry Borat but in the first sentence I am assuming you are referring to Trani whinging about Miller....is that what you are implying as I'm not 100% sure.

Yeah sorry. Trani complaining about Miller

[Flyonthewall]

From early on, Trani has been doing his best to undermine Miller. Trying to coerce players against Miller whilst pushing his own barrow. Something he reportedly has form for at previous clubs. But, Miller has endeared himself to the lads. After months of this carry on it comes to a head in China, Miller gives Trani his marching orders, our lads continue on building for start of the season. In the mean time Trani runs his sob story to Lee, Lee confronts Miller, differences of opinion arise. We all know who wins the Boss v's Employee fight. Miller gone. The lads, having 1st hand dealings with all that has transpired stand their ground, Boycott by all if Trani leads the way after this. Management dig a little deeper, uncover more of the story. Trani gone. Maybe this is all wrong or maybe, just maybe, there was a fly on the wall.

[joel31]

From early on, Trani has been doing his best to undermine Miller. Trying to coerce players against Miller whilst pushing his own barrow. Something he reportedly has form for at previous clubs. But, Miller has endeared himself to the lads. After months of this carry on it comes to a head in China, Miller gives Trani his marching orders, our lads continue on building for start of the season. In the mean time Trani runs his sob story to Lee, Lee confronts Miller, differences of opinion arise. We all know who wins the Boss v's Employee fight. Miller gone. The lads, having 1st hand dealings with all that has transpired stand their ground, Boycott by all if Trani leads the way after this. Management dig a little deeper, uncover more of the story. Trani gone. Maybe this is all wrong or maybe, just maybe, there was a fly on the wall.
Welcome to the foz Scott

[stopper2]

When it's all said and done I think Miller was destined not to be here for a long time. We should be grateful that his true colours finally came out before the season has started. Four totally unrelated sauces are saying the same thing about his egotistical style, arrogance and even bullying nature. The office staff are glad he's gone. Whether Trani ratted on him or not is irrelevant, it probably just brought the inevitable forward.
Someone mentioned that he was basically "a nobody who has achieved nothing, acting like he was Alex Ferguson"!
Will be interesting to see where he gets a gig after this.

[stockojet]

well yeah! I thought it was a really poor attitude to take an injured player (Haliti) to China and leave at home prospective 1st team players who could have been given game time. Looking at his body language he seemed aggressive with players. No matter who we get as manager now, we still have no chance with competing against the budget busters Sydney and Melbourne so for me until FFA fix this anomaly we will always get 2nd rate treatment. I just hope the players know we are behind them 100%

[furns]

According to the various sources we have, a fair bit of blame is being unnecessarily attributed to Luc. Unfortunately he had to be let go as well as his position basically became untenable and to clear the decks for a new coach.
Scott had numerous opportunities to sort the situation out by actually sitting down and working through the various issues (the word trivial was specifically used) but wouldn't.
A lot of the rumors in media are made up, ie issues with Chinese triallist, blowing up over Kokko, etc.
But the main thrust of the story that a personality clash between Luc & Scott led to a him or me ultimatum was dimly viewed by the Chinese and forced the clubs hand is essentially correct.

[plague]

really? Long bow drawn there


Didn't help with Luc whiteanting Scott with the Chinese assistant according to Ray Gatt on DFS podcast.

So I can't make assumptions based on what I saw from Miller in interviews and press conferences but everyone's happy to believe Ray Gatt who at best would have one side of the story.

Got it.

[380]

No, we were not afforded the same right to assume Triff was rubbish.

[halo se7en]

When it's all said and done I think Miller was destined not to be here for a long time. We should be grateful that his true colours finally came out before the season has started. Four totally unrelated sauces are saying the same thing about his egotistical style, arrogance and even bullying nature. The office staff are glad he's gone. Whether Trani ratted on him or not is irrelevant, it probably just brought the inevitable forward.
Someone mentioned that he was basically "a nobody who has achieved nothing, acting like he was Alex Ferguson"!
Will be interesting to see where he gets a gig after this.

Yet the players seemed pretty happy with him?

[plague]

No, we were not afforded the same right to assume Triff was rubbish.

Who said you weren't allowed an opinion?

[borat]

According to the various sources we have, a fair bit of blame is being unnecessarily attributed to Luc. Unfortunately he had to be let go as well as his position basically became untenable and to clear the decks for a new coach.
Scott had numerous opportunities to sort the situation out by actually sitting down and working through the various issues (the word trivial was specifically used) but wouldn't.
A lot of the rumors in media are made up, ie issues with Chinese triallist, blowing up over Kokko, etc.
But the main thrust of the story that a personality clash between Luc & Scott led to a him or me ultimatum was dimly viewed by the Chinese and forced the clubs hand is essentially correct.

So the players refusing to train for Trani is just a big coincidence hey. I think you are getting led up the garden path a little.

The general thrust of what you said I beleive to be correct. That this was just a series of really petty disagreements that Miller refused to sit down and discuss/mediate. Should the head coach have to with an assistant who had been here all of 5 mins is another story altogether. The Kokko story I have heard now from multiple sources as correct. But all it amounted to was Scott not being told Kokko was doing extras with Trani. Pretty minor really.

And that this is minor/petty is all the more disgusting from this club. They think so little of the supporters who have been loyal over the years to plunge us into turmoil yet again then just sort this crap out behind closed doors. And before you say Scott refused, he changed his tune when he realised the drums were getting louder. They should have given him a written warning. But no, let's just **** the season instead hey.

Trani deserved to and should have been sacked. Bad mouthing and whiteanting any employee is bullying and unprofessional, regardless if it's the boss. The guy is a scumbag and did the exact same thing to Mulvey. He has a massive chip on his shoulder and is jealous of younger coaches he deems himself to be superior to. If your reading Trani, I hope you got to wear that expensive suit you bought in the morning before being sacked in the afternoon. Good luck getting another assistant job, not sure the suit will help you now.

[hawk]

So is there ANY chance at all for Miller reinstated?

[borat]

So is there ANY chance at all for Miller reinstated?
0 chance. The Chinese don't back down once they make a decision

[furns]

And that this is minor/petty is all the more disgusting from this club. They think so little of the supporters who have been loyal over the years to plunge us into turmoil yet again then just sort this crap out behind closed doors. And before you say Scott refused, he changed his tune when he realised the drums were getting louder. They should have given him a written warning. But no, let's just **** the season instead hey.

From what we have learned, the club had apparently tried to sort this out numerous times behind closed doors trying to get Scott & Luc in a room to hash it all out and move forward.
Scott later realised he had stuck to his guns too long but by the time he had changed his tune it was too late.

Shit situation that was completely avoidable.

[furns]

0 chance. The Chinese don't back down once they make a decision
This

[lquiquer]

My logic says: when the assistant coach does not deliver to head coach expectations then assistant goes. Even in China. Could be worse in North Korea for exemple, the great leader would have had him executed.

[borat]

From what we have learned, the club had apparently tried to sort this out numerous times behind closed doors trying to get Scott & Luc in a room to hash it all out and move forward.
Scott later realised he had stuck to his guns too long but by the time he had changed his tune it was too late.

Shit situation that was completely avoidable.
Yes I have heard that, it's what Lawrie is saying and what Gatty is saying, which I am sure most realise by now is where Gatty gets his info. Straight from the horses mouth.

It's a big excuse from Lawrie to not be able to avert his first crisis as CEO. I have no doubt that Scott was billigerant and thought he was infallible, but so do most successful managers. Many of the things being spoken about Scott were said and worse about Ange and Arnie. IMO if we had Pignata or Tatsimas as CEO we don't end up in this position. And yes Scott didn't have close to the same success in his 1 season, but once we made the choice to enter pre-season we should have stuck with him.

There are alot of good things about Lawrie and imo may end up to be a fine CEO but right now we are paying for a CEO on training wheels. And that's not to mention the running flip/flop Twitter commentary and that info supposedly under a confidentiality agreement gets leaked to the press.

[borat]

My logic says: when the assistant coach does not deliver to head coach expectations then assistant goes. Even in China. Could be worse in North Korea for exemple, the great leader would have had him executed.

I agree.

But then the fault of employing a non-performing assistant falls with the Manager.

[stopper2]

Yet the players seemed pretty happy with him?

Who knows but I don't think we will be hearing from the players in the media about their opinions on Miller anytime soon.
Their job is to be 100% focused on playing and to not get involved in this sort of stuff.
Lee Ki-je obviously wasn't a big fan. Anyone wonder why out of the blue he left last season? Had nothing to do with his partner "not settling in" or whatever the BS story was in the media.
Singling out players in the media for criticism, segregating players who are supposed to be part of the squad from team meetings and the trip to China. This was how Miller rolled and he didn't compromise on his style right up to and including the Trani incident.
This is the whole crux of the matter....rightly or wrongly Miller did not want to change or compromise on his style/attitude as a coach to the new owner.
This attitude may be okay for an owner who says...."Okay you have 100% full control, do what you want, I will not try to influence your decision-making in anyway".
Lee however clearly wanted the situation with Trani to be sorted out but Miller wanted it his way and thus paid the consequences.
If this hadn't have happened in China, I'm sure something else over the course of the season would've occurred where Lee would've wanted Miller to compromise on his style/attitude and we would've got the same outcome as we did a few days ago.

[lquiquer]

Who knows but I don't think we will be hearing from the players in the media about their opinions on Miller anytime soon.
Their job is to be 100% focused on playing and to not get involved in this sort of stuff.
Lee Ki-je obviously wasn't a big fan. Anyone wonder why out of the blue he left last season? Had nothing to do with his partner "not settling in" or whatever the BS story was in the media.
Singling out players in the media for criticism, segregating players who are supposed to be part of the squad from team meetings and the trip to China. This was how Miller rolled and he didn't compromise on his style right up to and including the Trani incident.
This is the whole crux of the matter....rightly or wrongly Miller did not want to change or compromise on his style/attitude as a coach to the new owner.
This attitude may be okay for an owner who says...."Okay you have 100% full control, do what you want, I will not try to influence your decision-making in anyway".
Lee however clearly wanted the situation with Trani to be sorted out but Miller wanted it his way and thus paid the consequences.
If this hadn't have happened in China, I'm sure something else over the course of the season would've occurred where Lee would've wanted Miller to compromise on his style/attitude and we would've got the same outcome as we did a few days ago.

In my opinion all coaches should have 100% full control and be judged mid season or end of season. Results he stays. No results he goes.... Simple.... When chairman / CEO tell coach what to do and not do this is the beginning of the end and it never works

[Couscous]

The Chinese don't back down once they make a decision

Are the Chinese a hive mind? Is there any variation in the Chinese personality or do all Chinese adhere to these imperative norms you refer to?

[Bremsstrahlung]

In my opinion all coaches should have 100% full control and be judged mid season or end of season. Results he stays. No results he goes.... Simple.... When chairman / CEO tell coach what to do and not do this is the beginning of the end and it never works

Have to agree.

Some managers are cut-throat, will drop players at will, will sell players at will regardless of who they are and how long they have been around, some people (myself included) may not agree with the morals of this approach, but if it gets result....
Some managers are a great people-person and can relate to the players, encourage and get the best out of them by showing them loyalty and giving them a chance, again, if it gets results...

I guess the problem is no coach, player or committee member is bigger than the club itself. And once somebody thinks that somebody is trying to be bigger than the club, problems arise.


A little unrelated, but somebody was watching The run'n'cuddle footy show at work the other weekend, and they were talking about Nathan Brown. And they made a comment along the lines of, "It must be tough for Brown knowing that the fruits of all of this rebuilding, will be enjoyed by the next Knights coach".
To be honest, i think we are in a pretty similar position to the Knights, we've hit rock bottom, need to take some time to rebuild and everybody needs to realise that there is no quick fix to this.

Anyway, it's done, he's gone, next...

[halo se7en]

Who knows but I don't think we will be hearing from the players in the media about their opinions on Miller anytime soon.
Their job is to be 100% focused on playing and to not get involved in this sort of stuff.
Lee Ki-je obviously wasn't a big fan. Anyone wonder why out of the blue he left last season? Had nothing to do with his partner "not settling in" or whatever the BS story was in the media.
Singling out players in the media for criticism, segregating players who are supposed to be part of the squad from team meetings and the trip to China. This was how Miller rolled and he didn't compromise on his style right up to and including the Trani incident.
This is the whole crux of the matter....rightly or wrongly Miller did not want to change or compromise on his style/attitude as a coach to the new owner.
This attitude may be okay for an owner who says...."Okay you have 100% full control, do what you want, I will not try to influence your decision-making in anyway".
Lee however clearly wanted the situation with Trani to be sorted out but Miller wanted it his way and thus paid the consequences.
If this hadn't have happened in China, I'm sure something else over the course of the season would've occurred where Lee would've wanted Miller to compromise on his style/attitude and we would've got the same outcome as we did a few days ago.

I just take it from the Trani boycott that they obviously weren't happy with what went down, and the logical conclusion is that they weren't happy Miller was sacked.

If Miller knows he and Trani don't see to eye to eye, then mediation is absolutely pointless. This isn't a marriage that was once perfect - there's no kids here to protect. I'm guessing the working relationship was well beyond repair and Miller knew it. He seemed the type of person who knew exactly what he wanted and Trani wasn't it.

The club possibly said 'no, Trani stays' because they simply didn't want to pay him out. Otherwise why were they so hellbent on making it work?? The club ****ed up. No-one was going to miss Trani. No-one was going to hold the club or Miller to task over firing him because no-one even ****ing knew who he was and whether he was going to help us. Best scenario was to give Miller what he wanted. Pay Trani out (or just sack him? doesn't seem to be a problem). Give Miller an official warning behind closed doors and say "you hired this guy, you've ****ed up, we're giving you a chance to make up for it, but be very careful the next time you demand anything."

[The Dunster]

Trani deserved to and should have been sacked. Bad mouthing and whiteanting any employee is bullying and unprofessional, regardless if it's the boss. The guy is a scumbag and did the exact same thing to Mulvey. He has a massive chip on his shoulder and is jealous of younger coaches he deems himself to be superior to.

And yet the Jets appointed the bloke as the new assistant. Due Diligence goes missing in action once again at the Jets. Anyone involved in the decision to bring Trani to the club should be sacked.

[stopper2]

I just take it from the Trani boycott that they obviously weren't happy with what went down, and the logical conclusion is that they weren't happy Miller was sacked.

If Miller knows he and Trani don't see to eye to eye, then mediation is absolutely pointless. This isn't a marriage that was once perfect - there's no kids here to protect. I'm guessing the working relationship was well beyond repair and Miller knew it. He seemed the type of person who knew exactly what he wanted and Trani wasn't it.

The club possibly said 'no, Trani stays' because they simply didn't want to pay him out. Otherwise why were they so hellbent on making it work?? The club ****ed up. No-one was going to miss Trani. No-one was going to hold the club or Miller to task over firing him because no-one even ****ing knew who he was and whether he was going to help us. Best scenario was to give Miller what he wanted. Pay Trani out (or just sack him? doesn't seem to be a problem). Give Miller an official warning behind closed doors and say "you hired this guy, you've ****ed up, we're giving you a chance to make up for it, but be very careful the next time you demand anything."

Actually, I'm blaming FFA. They made the decision to give us a young rookie coach who hadn't done any hard yards as a Head Coach. Ange put his 2 cents worth recommending him as a young coach with potential (fair enough) but hey lets use the Newcastle Jets as the guinea pig because we want to go cheap and don't want to throw dollars at a regional club and get an experienced coach and really set this club up for the future.
Miller with his decade at Fulham as a youth coach, trainer (or whatever he was) and his Sports Science/ Psychology degrees comes here with the mindset that he is the next Alex Ferguson in waiting.
Sure he turned things around from the debacle under Stubbins with limited resources but he has done it by also being basically an arrogant pratt with an ego the size of Nobby's Head in the process.
I could go on but what's the point because he's gone and we'll probably never know the finer details of what actually happened in China.
Everyone just has to move on and accept it.
Rant over....yeah I've had a couple of wines so maybe I've rabbled on a bit!
#NTUA

[Wilso8948]

Man did this Miller bloke score 40 goals for us last season? Sure was disappointed but time to move on. Can't wait to get out and win games. People will forget pretty quick.

Oh wait. We don't win games. Lol.

Carry on

[Jeterpool]

Yes I have heard that, it's what Lawrie is saying and what Gatty is saying, which I am sure most realise by now is where Gatty gets his info. Straight from the horses mouth.

It's a big excuse from Lawrie to not be able to avert his first crisis as CEO. I have no doubt that Scott was billigerant and thought he was infallible, but so do most successful managers. Many of the things being spoken about Scott were said and worse about Ange and Arnie. IMO if we had Pignata or Tatsimas as CEO we don't end up in this position. And yes Scott didn't have close to the same success in his 1 season, but once we made the choice to enter pre-season we should have stuck with him.

There are alot of good things about Lawrie and imo may end up to be a fine CEO but right now we are paying for a CEO on training wheels. And that's not to mention the running flip/flop Twitter commentary and that info supposedly under a confidentiality agreement gets leaked to the press.

Or we have a CEO who is actively trying to respond to a situation which otherwise would have been a minor issue made a major one based on one of the parties not reading the situation correctly and another party responding in what we consider an extreme manner.

I imagine there's fires on many many fronts this guy is trying to extinguish - fans, members, media, players, football staff, backroom staff, applicants, owner, ffa, sponsors, foxtel to names quite a few

I've heard the same. Scott and Luc had an issue. Scott dealt with the situation incorrectly and tried to call the clubs bluff. It backfired and he lost his gig. He's young and he will learn.

[Jeterpool]

So is there ANY chance at all for Miller reinstated?

Zero

[Jeterpool]

And all those blasting Lawrie about posting on Twitter. Ffs we have a CEO who is accessible by anyone who has an email address and cane make up a 6 digit password. We're bitching that he's telling us his side and I bet he'd be getting slammed if he said nothing too.

Damned if he does, Damned if he doesn't

[sammydog]

And all those blasting Lawrie about posting on Twitter. Ffs we have a CEO who is accessible by anyone who has an email address and cane make up a 6 digit password. We're bitching that he's telling us his side and I bet he'd be getting slammed if he said nothing too.

Damned if he does, Damned if he doesn't

Ive been pretty impressed by his attempts to personally talk to people.

[q-money]

it's good he's saying something, because the whole thing is absolutely, shockingly bad PR and terrible form

[furns]

it's good he's saying something, because the whole thing is absolutely, shockingly bad PR and terrible form
Yep - we've seen your tweets too :roflz:

[q-money]

fair dos to him though, not many blokes would

[furns]

Absolutely - esp with the roasting you had been dealing out in the last 2 days haha

[q-money]

tell big loz i'll buy him a beer even if he is a hun and a gypo*

*beer conditional on griff becoming coach and eternal president

[skullboy]

And all those blasting Lawrie about posting on Twitter. Ffs we have a CEO who is accessible by anyone who has an email address and cane make up a 6 digit password. We're bitching that he's telling us his side and I bet he'd be getting slammed if he said nothing too.

Damned if he does, Damned if he doesn't

I'd rather he just keep quiet than feed us bullshit.

The gypo has absolutely zero credibility. When Miller was sacked he said it had nothing to do with him, it was a management decision (I always thought CEO was pretty high up in management but live and learn). The very next day he changed his tune and said he was part of the decision. No doubt because the owners told him to man up and stop being a gypo.

His twitter posts are puerile and self-serving. He'll be posting shaving cut photos next a la Kevin Rudd.

Dead man walking. Good riddance when it happens.

[halo se7en]

I'd rather he just keep quiet than feed us bullshit.

The gypo has absolutely zero credibility. When Miller was sacked he said it had nothing to do with him, it was a management decision (I always thought CEO was pretty high up in management but live and learn). The very next day he changed his tune and said he was part of the decision. No doubt because the owners told him to man up and stop being a gypo.

His twitter posts are puerile and self-serving. He'll be posting shaving cut photos next a la Kevin Rudd.

Dead man walking. Good riddance when it happens.

Where did he say he was part of the decision? Only thing I saw/heard the next day was that he accepts the club decision. Big difference.

[Frodo]

And all those blasting Lawrie about posting on Twitter. Ffs we have a CEO who is accessible by anyone who has an email address and cane make up a 6 digit password. We're bitching that he's telling us his side and I bet he'd be getting slammed if he said nothing too.

Damned if he does, Damned if he doesn't

Mckinna needs to get his ass off Twitter and just run the jets, if he has so much free time this close to the season start without a reasonable coaching staff then he probably needs to ask around the office if there's anything he can help out with.

On the Miller Matter I don't give a crap who's fault it is, Mckinna's job is to run a business. Millers job WAS to win football games. Trani's job WAS to assist Miller. We were winning games and making money, the only rat who wasn't doing his job was Trani. I don't care if Miller is throwing his own faeces around the locker room every week. If he wins games, he stays. Same goes for Gypo Mckinna, if he runs the business well and we make money i don't care if he hides Hutcho in his closet for a mid-week Rogering and yells at old ladies out the window of his office.

Also, the facebook comments section is amazeballs. You guys are nice and all that but some of those people are a special breed of crazy and i think i found my new hobby.:trolls:

[GazFish35]

I met a fellow jets fan yesterday, he'd just bumped into a club official at a junior presentation. On the way to their cars they both spotted a $50 note lying on the ground. The jets club official picked it up and gave it to the fan.

The fan complained the serial number didn't have a 6 in it, and took to social media to complain.


**** we are a pack of whining mother ****ers.

We get the club we deserve tbh.

[Jetmaster]

The Facebook posters are just serial pests who whinge in every group that are a member of.
Kudos to Griff who was actively telling people to wake up to themselves.

[380]

Mckinna needs to get his ass off Twitter and just run the jets, if he has so much free time this close to the season start without a reasonable coaching staff then he probably needs to ask around the office if there's anything he can help out with.

On the Miller Matter I don't give a crap who's fault it is, Mckinna's job is to run a business. Millers job WAS to win football games. Trani's job WAS to assist Miller. We were winning games and making money, the only rat who wasn't doing his job was Trani. I don't care if Miller is throwing his own faeces around the locker room every week. If he wins games, he stays. Same goes for Gypo Mckinna, if he runs the business well and we make money i don't care if he hides Hutcho in his closet for a mid-week Rogering and yells at old ladies out the window of his office.

Also, the facebook comments section is amazeballs. You guys are nice and all that but some of those people are a special breed of crazy and i think i found my new hobby.:trolls:


Summed up nicely

[evanhayes5]

Even after Scott had said to give the boys a rest, Trani called for a training session after 30+ hours of travel Huludao.

They arrived at the hotel and were only given 3 hours of rest before having a session, and this is the day before the first match v Liaoning. Kokko gets injured in that game...

If the head coach says not to have a training session, you dont have a training session.

Second game vs Eastern, team sheet not filled out by Luc properly, results in Cowburn having to go off, opposition score. Whether or not this was done on purpose or by accident, filling out the team sheet properly is a non negotiable.

From day 1 he came in to undermine Miller and try and get the head coaching role. The ledman group are idiots for the first decision they made, all the work of pre-season is pretty much thrown out the window.

[Jetmaster]

It's done and it is apparent Miller was not blameless. Two hardheads called Lee's bluff and lost.

We move on.

[The Dunster]

It's done and it is apparent Miller was not blameless. Two hardheads called Lee's bluff and lost.

We move on.

Who recruited Trani ? Because they should get the chop as well.

Overall though the club continues to be the joke of the competition and before the season has started we once again have yet another seaon of excuses / rebuilding... and so on.

Club should change it's name to DNR so we can all get some peace.

[la bazzle]

I met a fellow jets fan yesterday, he'd just bumped into a club official at a junior presentation. On the way to their cars they both spotted a $50 note lying on the ground. The jets club official picked it up and gave it to the fan.

The fan complained the serial number didn't have a 6 in it, and took to social media to complain.


**** we are a pack of whining mother ****ers.

We get the club we deserve tbh.

Probably should have tried to find the owner rather then taking it straight away. That could have been money to feed someone's children.

[The Camel]

Who recruited Trani ? Because they should get the chop as well.

Overall though the club continues to be the joke of the competition and before the season has started we once again have yet another seaon of excuses / rebuilding... and so on.

Club should change it's name to DNR so we can all get some peace.

I thought it was an FFA appointment

[borat]

It's done and it is apparent Miller was not blameless. Two hardheads called Lee's bluff and lost.

We move on.

No one should move on. We have new owners and we just got a window seat as to poor decision making on the fly. And a lame duck CEO to boot.

It wasn't two hard heads calling Lee's bluff. They backed one over the other until the next day when they realised what a f*ck up they made.

Anyone thinking of becoming a member should look at this as a sign of what being involved with this club in 2016/2017 is going to be like.

[borat]

Who recruited Trani ? Because they should get the chop as well.

Overall though the club continues to be the joke of the competition and before the season has started we once again have yet another seaon of excuses / rebuilding... and so on.

Club should change it's name to DNR so we can all get some peace.

You can blame Miller for for appointing Trani imo. Read the club statement when it occurred, Miller talks about him being the standout candidate throughout the recruitment process.

[Bon]

Was just reading this on TWG..
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/blog/2016/09/11/unlucky-luciano-becomes-victim-his-dedication
Seems a bit of a suck job..

[belchardo]

Was just reading this on TWG..
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/blog/2016/09/11/unlucky-luciano-becomes-victim-his-dedication
Seems a bit of a suck job..

from phillip micallef? never.

[borat]

from phillip micallef? never.

Haha nail on head

[borat]

Gee those former managers Trani worked with are really lining up to give their support.........

I mean I would have thought that some small part of the role of assistant manager involves assisting the manager

[borat]

Even after Scott had said to give the boys a rest, Trani called for a training session after 30+ hours of travel Huludao.

They arrived at the hotel and were only given 3 hours of rest before having a session, and this is the day before the first match v Liaoning. Kokko gets injured in that game...

If the head coach says not to have a training session, you dont have a training session.

Second game vs Eastern, team sheet not filled out by Luc properly, results in Cowburn having to go off, opposition score. Whether or not this was done on purpose or by accident, filling out the team sheet properly is a non negotiable.

From day 1 he came in to undermine Miller and try and get the head coaching role. The ledman group are idiots for the first decision they made, all the work of pre-season is pretty much thrown out the window.
TWG is reporting exactly this except that the players approached Miller to complain once he arrived in China about the session that Trani had run against Miller's instructions.

If none of this had blown up we would all be complaining that Miller has no idea how to prepare the team, seeing our star striker tears a calf 20mins into a game after a 3 hour training session the previous day and 20-30 hours of flying in the week preceding.

No wonder the players refused to train for Trani.

[stopper2]

Mckinna needs to get his ass off Twitter and just run the jets, if he has so much free time this close to the season start without a reasonable coaching staff then he probably needs to ask around the office if there's anything he can help out with.

On the Miller Matter I don't give a crap who's fault it is, Mckinna's job is to run a business. Millers job WAS to win football games. Trani's job WAS to assist Miller. We were winning games and making money, the only rat who wasn't doing his job was Trani. I don't care if Miller is throwing his own faeces around the locker room every week. If he wins games, he stays. Same goes for Gypo Mckinna, if he runs the business well and we make money i don't care if he hides Hutcho in his closet for a mid-week Rogering and yells at old ladies out the window of his office.

Also, the facebook comments section is amazeballs. You guys are nice and all that but some of those people are a special breed of crazy and i think i found my new hobby.:trolls:

Firstly, there are a few CEO's who engage with fans on Twitter;SFC's Pignata and Glory's Filopolous for example are also on there. It's 2016 and the technology is there to engage directly with fans on a social medium....what's the issue? Lawrie is rarely on there anyway so if you are trying to make it an issue about it...that it's detracting from his job...I think you are clutching at straws.
If you think he is not running the club properly, maybe you should contact him (he seems to be very accessible and accomodating to fans) and tell him what he should be doing and to get off twitter:cool:

Yeah all well and good what you say about everyone having specific roles to play at the club and you think it doesn't matter basically HOW they do it, as long as they are getting results, which is fine.
It would seem our new owner does care, he wants this club to be run in a professional manner with no BS in-fighting or egos clashing. I think it shows he has standards and has now set a precedent which can only be good for the club in the long run....everyone working together in a respectful and productive manner If anyone doesn't want to adhere to those principles, you aren't going to last long at this club.
Gee, look at Amor with Adelaide as an example....quietly spoken, humility....a real gentleman who has the total respect of his players and everyone at the club. Just shows you can be a nice guy and a decent human being and still get results.

[borat]

Firstly, there are a few CEO's who engage with fans on Twitter;SFC's Pignata and Glory's Filopolous for example are also on there. It's 2016 and the technology is there to engage directly with fans on a social medium....what's the issue? Lawrie is rarely on there anyway so if you are trying to make it an issue about it...that it's detracting from his job...I think you are clutching at straws.
If you think he is not running the club properly, maybe you should contact him (he seems to be very accessible and accomodating to fans) and tell him what he should be doing and to get off twitter:cool:


Seriously this getting beyond delusional now. That Lawrie is engaging on twitter is perfectly fine, to be encouraged, and I get you feel special because he responded to you. But you will never find Pignata or Filopolous tweeting such un professional contradictory rubbish.

Here is an example of his tweets, remember how neither Scott or the club can discuss the matter because of confidentiality agreements? This is why we haven't heard a word from Scott.


because of clauses in contracts the club or Scott cannot comment

Seems like only one party has to abide by this as if you are CEO you can tell whoever you like, be it press or fans


no stabbing in the back from me ask Scott Miller

yes but he signed a confidentiality agreement stopping him from commenting Lawrie, as you know


tried to stop it getting to that point along with Joel griffiths

That seems like details Lawrie,


Cheers Josh speak to Joel and get full story

So Joel either is a rep of the club and bound to confidentiality or or is not and you have leaked to him


No knife Job could have been avoided but wasn't after many attempts

More details


Cheers for support John I was in the meeting and was sticking up for Scott as was Joel Griffiths if you knew the full story

again more


I never promised I will do my best that the supporters don't get ****ed over

Yes you certainly didn't

[borat]

So what I would like Lawrie to do in future is make transparent statements on club decisions and not drip feed over twitter whilst initially saying no details can be given. Because all I see is one side of the story because you gagged one party and a whole heap leaking to the press presumably from players, player managers, CEO. Possibly Miller and Trani but unlikely as they have the most to lose.

[R Ramjet]

anyone have an idea how long an agreement of confidentiality lasts for ? im assuming miller would have received/receiving some sort of payout from the jets since they sacked him. Once this is finalised whats to stop miller doing an interview in a few months time and giving some insight into what happened but not exactly telling the whole story. Surely miller must be highly frustrated with the situation and wanting people to know his side of the story. If his side of the story is never known then it may well harm his chances of future employment at other clubs.

[Wilso8948]

anyone have an idea how long an agreement of confidentiality lasts for ? im assuming miller would have received/receiving some sort of payout from the jets since they sacked him. Once this is finalised whats to stop miller doing an interview in a few months time and giving some insight into what happened but not exactly telling the whole story. Surely miller must be highly frustrated with the situation and wanting people to know his side of the story. If his side of the story is never known then it may well harm his chances of future employment at other clubs.
I'd imagine that would open himself up to all sorts of legal repercussions

[pv4]

anyone have an idea how long an agreement of confidentiality lasts for ?

Fxxxing ages, if not forever.

Miller's sacking can form an orderly cue behind what Muscat & Vargas did to Ljubo at Victory tyvm. Ljubo's autobigraphy would just be such a great read - one I'm confident legally will never be allowed to be produced :(

[Frodo]

It would seem our new owner does care, he wants this club to be run in a professional manner with no BS in-fighting or egos clashing. I think it shows he has standards and has now set a precedent which can only be good for the club in the long run....everyone working together in a respectful and productive manner If anyone doesn't want to adhere to those principles, you aren't going to last long at this club.
Gee, look at Amor with Adelaide as an example....quietly spoken, humility....a real gentleman who has the total respect of his players and everyone at the club. Just shows you can be a nice guy and a decent human being and still get results.

Put down the Koolaid man, you must be the most positive bloke in the world if you think that this event will somehow make everyone more respectful of the club and it's principles.

What you said sounds like a good idea and in a perfect world everyone at the club would get along great but that a) doesn't happen over a month and b) doesn't happen anywhere ever on this planet over any period of time because humans are giant pieces of faeces who hate each other. (Source=the news or driving through Sydney at peak hour)

So the club needs to find a balance between keeping everyone happy and keeping money coming through the door. Oh, and winning games if possible. If you think the sackings helped that then i can't say your wrong, we can have different opinions and still be friends. i just feel that if this was done either at the end of the season or straight away i think everyone including Miller and Trani would be be a lot calmer about it.

[turbojetfireV8]

You can blame Miller for for appointing Trani imo. Read the club statement when it occurred, Miller talks about him being the standout candidate throughout the recruitment process.

I wanna know who recommended the khunt - if Miller didn't know him, someone must have given him a glowing recommendation - was this a wind-up?? Who was the rat that recommended him?

I don't blame Miller for wanting the phucker gone, it's undoubtably his fault Kokko got injured due to unnecessary extras leaving him open to an injury, couldn't fill in a team sheet, couldn't help himself bad-mouthing the gaffer - how did he get the job in the first place???

[The Dunster]

I wanna know who recommended the khunt - if Miller didn't know him, someone must have given him a glowing recommendation - was this a wind-up?? Who was the rat that recommended him?

I don't blame Miller for wanting the phucker gone, it's undoubtably his fault Kokko got injured due to unnecessary extras leaving him open to an injury, couldn't fill in a team sheet, couldn't help himself bad-mouthing the gaffer - how did he get the job in the first place???

Exactly right. Miller may have said ok to Trani based on advice from the board or whoever put him in the mix - but he certainly wasn't the one that recommended him in the first place.

I'm not that unhappy Miller is gone but I am unhappy about how it happened and how it appears nothing has changed at the Jets when it comes to the clubs total disregard for both the present and the future of the club.

Would the FFA have considered a bid from Mr Lee for a Sydney or a Melbourne club? I seriously doubt it.

[RAM]

anyone have an idea how long an agreement of confidentiality lasts for ? im assuming miller would have received/receiving some sort of payout from the jets since they sacked him. Once this is finalised whats to stop miller doing an interview in a few months time and giving some insight into what happened but not exactly telling the whole story. Surely miller must be highly frustrated with the situation and wanting people to know his side of the story. If his side of the story is never known then it may well harm his chances of future employment at other clubs.
Indefinitely.

The usual terms are that you're only allowed to discuss with legal and financial advisors or as compelled by law (i.e subpoena). If Miller did open up after a few months, then the Jets could seek damages/injuction/ seek to recover funds paid to him.

I'm a lawyer.

[Guerny]

I know this will trigger me being flamed to death but I'm inclined to side with Lee on this...

Miller illustrated he is NOT experienced enough to navigate the subtleties of actually managing anything by turning a few incidents that should have been handled internally by the coaching team into an ultimatum with the club owner.

Trani sounds like he needed to actually know his place and take his lead from Miller rather than compete with him, he should have known this being in the game for so long.

Rumour has it both McKinna and Griffiths tried to smooth this over before it went to the club owner, so at least THEY realized that this wasn't something to escalate to the new owner, but they were both ignored, so for my mind Miller + Trani made their own beds...

Hopefully they both learn something from this, but chances are they've not only screwed handling this situation but also significantly damaged their own professional reputations and future prospects.

my 2c,
G

[Jeterpool]

I know this will trigger me being flamed to death but I'm inclined to side with Lee on this...

Miller illustrated he is NOT experienced enough to navigate the subtleties of actually managing anything by turning a few incidents that should have been handled internally by the coaching team into an ultimatum with the club owner.

Trani sounds like he needed to actually know his place and take his lead from Miller rather than compete with him, he should have known this being in the game for so long.

Rumour has it both McKinna and Griffiths tried to smooth this over before it went to the club owner, so at least THEY realized that this wasn't something to escalate to the new owner, but they were both ignored, so for my mind Miller + Trani made their own beds...

Hopefully they both learn something from this, but chances are they've not only screwed handling this situation but also significantly damaged their own professional reputations and future prospects.

my 2c,
G

Soild post.

A lot of what you say has been said to me. This was all blown up over a minor issue. This explains to me why the club have been caught off-guard as they didn't expect such an extreme response to something they encouraged both parties to resolve on numerous occasions. They certainly didn't want to be recruiting a manager but Scott could have avoided this.

I hope for his sake, Scott learns from how he handled this situation and learn from it. He mis-read the situation by trying to bluff the club and it bit him in the ass.

[plague]

Has it been established why Miller wasn't with the team in the lead up?

Wasn't that the reason why Triani took over training and 'flogged' them?

[Jeterpool]

Has it been established why Miller wasn't with the team in the lead up?

Wasn't that the reason why Triani took over training and 'flogged' them?

Miller was with McKinna in Sydney while the team had travelled and landed in China. They then caught up with the team in China.

[The Dunster]

I wonder how Mitch Cooper feels about recent events ?

[The Dunster]

Indefinitely.

The usual terms are that you're only allowed to discuss with legal and financial advisors or as compelled by law (i.e subpoena). If Miller did open up after a few months, then the Jets could seek damages/injuction/ seek to recover funds paid to him.

I'm a lawyer.

The people that blow up banks to make billions of dollars are fully protected by the law but for the rest of us we get hit hard for voicing our side of the story. What a farked up system it is. What really pisses me off though is how the advocates for such policies are so called neo-liberals and yet the very system they advocate can only function freely if full information exists. Crazy.

Miller is on a hiding to nothing here and nothing will ever change.

You must rip your hair out daily Ram having to contend with such hypocrisy.

[plague]

Miller is on a hiding to nothing here and nothing will ever change.


Lets be clear though, if Miller wanted to be a beacon for transparency and honesty and to stand up to the man he could have forgone the cash and let rip.

he, like most (inc me) put a price on his silence and it was met.

everybody is happy no?

[plague]

Miller was with McKinna in Sydney while the team had travelled and landed in China. They then caught up with the team in China.

so the team was 'flogged' by Trani without Millers knowledge (there was no plan) or were they 'flogged' in defiance of Millers regimen?

[Tommyjet]

so the team was 'flogged' by Trani without Millers knowledge (there was no plan) or were they 'flogged' in defiance of Millers regimen?

The latter. Miller told trani to let them have the day off after travel but trani chose to only give them 3 hours rest then into it. Basically trani wanted some top dog action while miller wasnt in the country yet.

[plague]

The latter. Miller told trani to let them have the day off after travel but trani chose to only give them 3 hours rest then into it. Basically trani wanted some top dog action while miller wasnt in the country yet.

yeah see so everything else aside if what you're saying is true then the decision to get rid of miller is perplexing. this is a clear breach of the command chain, and any boss further up the chain should have respected that. Miller must be some special type of asshole or extremely poor communicator if he couldn't get his boss to see what the real problem was here.


and thats a whole other conversation i guess.

[The Dunster]

Lets be clear though, if Miller wanted to be a beacon for transparency and honesty and to stand up to the man he could have forgone the cash and let rip.

he, like most (inc me) put a price on his silence and it was met.

everybody is happy no?

The damage is already done though because unless Miller or anyone agrees to these ridiculous terms up front they won't even be considered for positions.

Don't get me wrong about Miller though I agree with you but wouldn't it be nice if people actually had a choice other than your either with us or against us as it stands now.

[turbojetfireV8]

doesn't seem to be much being said about Kokko's injury, how long he is likely to be out for, anyone heard anything?

[plague]

doesn't seem to be much being said about Kokko's injury, how long he is likely to be out for, anyone heard anything?

6-8 weeks

[lquiquer]

:rof:
6-8 weeks

[lquiquer]

doesn't seem to be much being said about Kokko's injury, how long he is likely to be out for, anyone heard anything?

Starting running next week as per Lord gypo

[q-money]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lypj5YO-Irc

[GazFish35]

Is it safe to assume his fitness concerns have been exacerbated by training not long after flying despite the head coach saying no to training?

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Just saw Scotty M walking along Wickham talking on his phone. He didn't look impressed, even after I smiled at him. Poor bloke.

[WolfMan]

Just saw Scotty M walking along Wickham talking on his phone. He didn't look impressed, even after I smiled at him. Poor bloke.

It's a well known fact that Scotty is afflicted by Resting Bastard Face

[Bon]

Had a chat with Scotty M at the Grain Store last night.. Seemed quite friendly and happy to give us some time..
He pretty much said to us that no matter what has happened off the field (or behind the scenes), that the players have been working their asses off and that they need the fans to get behind them and support them more than ever right now..

[MFKS]

New to the forum and ive seen alot of interesting comments regarding Miller. Unfortunately ive lost faith in Miller and JPM and ill tell you why. We have a Head Coach who was a fitness and assistant coach for almost a decade (not sure exactly how long he was at fullham) in England and an assistant coach who last season coached a team to a grand final win yet these two coaches can't come up with any better tactic than sit deep, don't commit man forward and hope for the best.

This head coach also plays people out of position, refuses to give youth a chance over certain first team players who have been beyond rubbish this season Watson Trifunovic Alidovic etc yet still play every game and ALMOST always makes defensive substitutions when we are trying to win a game or the game is in the balance and we need a spark. Also this so called defensive stability he has brought to the team is rubbish. We don't apply pressure to the ball carrier concede shots galore and rely on Birraz and BK to fingers crossed save everything or lets face it we lose 4-0 every week. Also if were going to play so defensive we need all 11 players working their buts off to defend and contain the opposition so by playing Carney and Trifunovic who are some of the laziest players I have ever seen were always 2 man down we when lose the ball.

My last point will be that Miller singed Trifunovic and Leonardo so as if he didn't know leonardo had a chronic knee problem and Trifunovic wasn't a lone striker type of player. Ill finish with we play in a league where there is no relegation so there is nothing to lose by setting up the team to have a dig push forward and maybe nick a goal or even TRY DIFFERENT TACTICS FOR ONCE.

Absolute gold this posted 16-1-16

Apparently Miller was shit as well which seems to have been lost in the sands of time

[Jeterpool]

Absolute gold this posted 16-1-16

Apparently Miller was shit as well which seems to have been lost in the sands of time

:popcorn:

[Frodo]

Absolute gold this posted 16-1-16

Apparently Miller was shit as well which seems to have been lost in the sands of time

Nice one Membah.

Although reading through that just reminded me that we once had Cameron Watson in our squad. Puts some silly wooden spoon into perspective doesn't it...

[WolfMan]

Yeh, you're having yourself on if you believe last season's squad was vastly superior to what we have this season.

I'd say on balance the 2 sides are about even at worst. I for one was much more confident in this seasons roster than last

[StannyCFCJET]

Absolute gold this posted 16-1-16

Apparently Miller was shit as well which seems to have been lost in the sands of time

At the time of this post every thing I said was spot on. Then Miller made some signings and started to improve the squad. Jones has only taken us backwards

[Frodo]

At the time of this post every thing I said was spot on. Then Miller made some signings and started to improve the squad. Jones has only taken us backwards

Someone post a back-peddling GIF for me. haha.

Wait, this might work.

https://falseprophetsexposed.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/unknown2.jpeg?w=240

[MFKS]

At the time of this post every thing I said was spot on. Then Miller made some signings and started to improve the squad. Jones has only taken us backwards

So if Miller was able to turn things around be making some signings then I suppose we should also all calm the **** down and allow Jones the same latitude??

Because as you said signings improve the squad

Signings like Georgevski Shabow and the other 10 who be arriving??

Maybe then results improve also??

[StannyCFCJET]

So if Miller was able to turn things around be making some signings then I suppose we should also all calm the **** down and allow Jones the same latitude??

Because as you said signings improve the squad

Signings like Georgevski Shabow and the other 10 who be arriving??

Maybe then results improve also??

Difference is Jones had more resources in January then Miller but didnt make any signings, Miller didnt have a system that was working until said signings, Jones did but changed it and look what happened. Final point Jones doesnt care about eh F3 derby so he can get ****ed

[Jeterpool]

Difference is Jones had more resources in January then Miller but didnt make any signings, Miller didnt have a system that was working until said signings, Jones did but changed it and look what happened. Final point Jones doesnt care about eh F3 derby so he can get ****ed

I'm on the Jones out side, but really? Did Jones really have more resources? Why are you saying he does?

I don't think he necessarily did because firstly, players need to be available and secondly, players also have to want to come! We went for Bridge - and he'd be here if he didn't get injured. What impact would he have made - who knows. We got Allwright who filled the NPL void left by Brennan. Also keep in mind, any savings under the cap can be moved into the next season too - perhaps the value wasn't there so we banked it for next year (if there's any)

And no denying Jones made that statement about the derby. But he said it in the press conference right after his team have lost 3-0. Who knows where his head was at - he was probably annoyed at the result and thinking about the questions about the Wanderers performance. Of course he'd know who we'd be playing but in the heat of the moment perhaps he forgot? If he said "Next week's the derby and that's our primary focus" he'd be getting blasted for "obviously not preparing well enough for this game because he's thinking only about the derby - that's why we lost.". What is disappointing for me is he hasn't come out and corrected the statement to stop stupid chat like this.

Don't listen simply to retort - listen and respond to understand. Think about it.

No point arguing in this thread - Miller has gone.

[MFKS]

Difference is Jones had more resources in January then Miller but didnt make any signings, Miller didnt have a system that was working until said signings, Jones did but changed it and look what happened. Final point Jones doesnt care about eh F3 derby so he can get ****ed

What resources did Jones have in January??
The entire limit of our spending was NYL or NPL players.

Reality is the FFA backed Miller more in mid season window than Ledman has backed Jones in the mid season window

That is not even up for debate

Jones has changed his system how??
We still playing the same formation we have 95% of the season .

Don't let the facts get in the way of your rant though
Keep going

[StannyCFCJET]

What resources did Jones have in January??
The entire limit of our spending was NYL or NPL players.

Reality is the FFA backed Miller more in mid season window than Ledman has backed Jones in the mid season window

That is not even up for debate

Jones has changed his system how??
We still playing the same formation we have 95% of the season .

Don't let the facts get in the way of your rant though
Keep going

Jones had backing from a rich China man saying funds were available. Milller had the FFA behind doing sweet **** all except saying the Jerks were worth 5mil

[Jeterpool]

Jones had backing from a rich China man saying funds were available. Milller had the FFA behind doing sweet **** all except saying the Jerks were worth 5mil

As the CEO repeatedly stated, the Jets were not going to spend for a marquee this season. Ledman wanted to come in, assess the club and look at how the books balance before spending outside the cap.

Source - Jetstream chat with Lawrie in pre-season.

[halo se7en]

So when he gets a squad of players of his choice (Which is nothing but an excuse for failing anyway )you thinking we are gonna see some attacking football or we gonna still be parking the bus???

I ain't seeing it

The bloke is negative by nature and a leopard never changes its spots

Wow.

[MFKS]

Jones had backing from a rich China man saying funds were available. Milller had the FFA behind doing sweet **** all except saying the Jerks were worth 5mil

So this rich China man theory you going on

No dispute that Lee is wealthy.

But can you elaborate on all these investments he has made into the club ??


Because other than purchase the club and foot the bill his generosity in the transfer market to both Miller and Jones has been pretty lacking

[Jeterpool]

Because other than purchase the club and foot the bill his generosity in the transfer market to both Miller and Jones has been pretty lacking

If you're asking us to give Jones an off-season, you need to allow the same for Ledman. As with Jones, the squad was all-but locked in when he arrived

[StannyCFCJET]

Miller had one season, we saw Signs he was worth keeping. Jones has had one season. Jones hasnt shown anything really to warrant keeping (Member he hasnt so stop pretending he has)

[monz6]

Stanny you need a nice relaxing holiday mate. Where you don't check the foz the entire time. You deserve it after what jones and mullen and Hoole have put you through this season!

[StannyCFCJET]

Stanny you need a nice relaxing holiday mate. Where you don't check the foz the entire time. You deserve it after what jones and mullen and Hoole have put you through this season!

Thats the plan until I see the news Mullen and Jones have been resigned

[MFKS]

If you're asking us to give Jones an off-season, you need to allow the same for Ledman. As with Jones, the squad was all-but locked in when he arrived

I haven't been critical of the Chinese Lightsalesman

This off season though is an acid test as to whether this bloke is real deal or just a token owner and we been screwed by the FFA shafting us with a lemon

[MFKS]

Miller had one season, we saw Signs he was worth keeping. Jones has had one season. Jones hasnt shown anything really to warrant keeping (Member he hasnt so stop pretending he has)
We play out from the back much better.
We also actually have a much more effective pattern of play in attack

When we were winning games we won them because we actually deserved to win the game.

Not like the last 4-5 years where our wins have been 90% arseing a lead and holding on somehow

What we have shown under Jones is more than in any of the last 8 years

What has crippled us is the players

Last weekend is a classic example.

We should never have lost that 3-0
We dominated play and butchered our chances they didn't

[Jeterpool]

I haven't been critical of the Chinese Lightsalesman

This off season though is an acid test as to whether this bloke is real deal or just a token owner and we been screwed by the FFA shafting us with a lemon

OK.

And yes, I agree. A number of fans will be won or lost through his actions this off-season.

[Macca]

We play out from the back much better.
We also actually have a much more effective pattern of play in attack

When we were winning games we won them because we actually deserved to win the game.

Not like the last 4-5 years where our wins have been 90% arseing a lead and holding on somehow

What we have shown under Jones is more than in any of the last 8 years

What has crippled us is the players

Last weekend is a classic example.

We should never have lost that 3-0
We dominated play and butchered our chances they didn't

I agree with you in some ways. BUT. How can you say that Jones is responsible for all our improvements but the players are responsible for all our shortcomings? We play out better from the back - you don't think this has anything to do with tidier players such as Boogard, Ugarkovic and Koutroumbis?

Much better attack - nothing to do with new signings Hoole and Nabbout linking up with (earlier in the season) Clut and also Nordstrand?

I'm not saying our players are world class. But I can't fathom how you are able to attribute all positives to the coaches influence (which lets be honest, none of us except evanhayes and anyone else that regularly attends training would have any idea how much or little influence he has) but absolve him for all shortcomings because the players just aren't good enough.

[hawk]

We play out from the back much better.
We also actually have a much more effective pattern of play in attack

When we were winning games we won them because we actually deserved to win the game.

Not like the last 4-5 years where our wins have been 90% arseing a lead and holding on somehow


nice story. Many a team has won a title on defence and at all levels. Style of play has nothing to do with results spesh if we win.

[MFKS]

nice story. Many a team has won a title on defence and at all levels. Style of play has nothing to do with results spesh if we win.

Hey I agree with you in that titles are won by solid defence

I wouldn't say in the last few years we have had one



Our wins have come about as we found a side who couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo that day rather than our super defence.

The 5 games we have won this season have been deservedly won by us being superior over 90 mins

Not by arse.

[MFKS]

I agree with you in some ways. BUT. How can you say that Jones is responsible for all our improvements but the players are responsible for all our shortcomings? We play out better from the back - you don't think this has anything to do with tidier players such as Boogard, Ugarkovic and Koutroumbis?

Much better attack - nothing to do with new signings Hoole and Nabbout linking up with (earlier in the season) Clut and also Nordstrand?

I'm not saying our players are world class. But I can't fathom how you are able to attribute all positives to the coaches influence (which lets be honest, none of us except evanhayes and anyone else that regularly attends training would have any idea how much or little influence he has) but absolve him for all shortcomings because the players just aren't good enough.

About Rd 3 we got caught out as teams picked up on our inability to play out.
They pressed and we got caught out again and again

Jones mentioned it at that time
Work has obviously been done as we are much more better at it than then

[MFKS]

As for absolving him of short comings and blaming players

Well every time Jackson miscues a ball to Taggart
Or Boogaard / Mullen give away a needless penalty

Or Hoole Nordstrand Nabbout miss chances NPL players should take

Explain to me how it is the Managers fault these blokes are as weak as piss at delivering their skills ??

It ain't anyone but there fault for the **** up

[plague]

Stanny you need a nice relaxing holiday mate. Where you don't check the foz the entire time. You deserve it after what jones and mullen and Hoole have put you through this season!

I'm going to give Stanny a full off season to work on his own hot takes and comebacks.

Only then will we full know whether the bloke is any good or not.

[Macca]

As for absolving him of short comings and blaming players

Well every time Jackson miscues a ball to Taggart
Or Boogaard / Mullen give away a needless penalty

Or Hoole Nordstrand Nabbout miss chances NPL players should take

Explain to me how it is the Managers fault these blokes are as weak as piss at delivering their skills ??

It ain't anyone but there fault for the **** up

My point is you can't take this view that players are solely responsible for their mistakes, but turn around and claim Jones is a genius for improving their play. Good attacking play? Our players are playing well. Explain how a bloke from the sideline gets credit for putting the ball in the back of the net?

Personally I'm in the middle and believe its not as simple one way or the other, players have skillsets but can be given direction, motivation, confidence, mindsets etc. How is the training environment? The relationships? Players take blame but so does the coach.

[GazFish35]

should be thanked for refusing to sign anyone to a contract longer than his - has allowed much of the deadwood to be cut easily and Saturday night the benefits showed.

thanks scott -you suit and sneaker wearing "mentality" guy

[MFKS]

should be thanked for refusing to sign anyone to a contract longer than his - has allowed much of the deadwood to be cut easily and Saturday night the benefits showed.

thanks scott -you suit and sneaker wearing "mentality" guy

Or maybe we should thank Jones for having the nous to sign O'Donovan Petratos and Georgevski??

Will never know how he would have went when he had a couple of his own signings besides the Chinese Messi and some Sth Australian NPL players

Judging by the blokes he had signed he had a ****ing clue

[rhysd]

So I am guessing that was Jones' result on Saturday and nothing to do with merrick?

[Jeterpool]

Or maybe we should thank Jones for having the nous to sign O'Donovan Petratos and Georgevski??

Will never know how he would have went when he had a couple of his own signings besides the Chinese Messi and some Sth Australian NPL players

Judging by the blokes he had signed he had a ****ing clue

Either coach - Jones or Merrick, only had that ability to do what they did because of Miller's strategy of signing players no longer than the term he was signed.

Had we signed Hoole for 3 seasons, I'd argue we wouldn't have Dimi. Trifunovic for 3, I'd argue no O'Donovan.

[Couscous]

Far too early to judge Merrick. I'm a little uncomfortable with our approach to the Mariners game. Fast counters and ceding possession won't work against all teams. It also relies too much on Nabbout.

[boz-monaut]

far too early?

bookies in Newcastle have already started paying out for us having won the title

get on the wagon already, these are our glory days (days to be ruined by Glory coming weekend)

[MFKS]

far too early?

bookies in Newcastle have already started paying out for us having won the title

get on the wagon already, these are our glory days (days to be ruined by Glory coming weekend)
I already asked the Gypo CEO where we hosting the GF and when can I buy tickets

He looking into it as we speak

[lquiquer]

I already asked the Gypo CEO where we hosting the GF and when can I buy tickets

He looking into it as we speak

Lucky i'm flying back from OS the day bfore the GF.... I knew it....

[belchardo]

why are you wasting time asking about where we're hosting GF? bigger question is "where are we hosting the victory parade?"

[Wilso8948]

We will do better than last year. Just don't see us having the depth and consistency of the major teams. Least we will have fun watching an entertaining team take the park each week.

[MFKS]

why are you wasting time asking about where we're hosting GF? bigger question is "where are we hosting the victory parade?"

Victory parade isn't the issue

It securing tickets when all these plastic ****s come out of the woodwork because we finally have a decent team that the worry

[Jeterpool]

We will do better than last year. Just don't see us having the depth and consistency of the major teams. Least we will have fun watching an entertaining team take the park each week.

I think we can definitely compete with Adelaide, City, Mariners and Roar. I didn't watch Sydney, Victory, WSW or Perth. I still think Wellington will struggle.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

I think we can definitely compete with Adelaide, City, Mariners and Roar. I didn't watch Sydney, Victory, WSW or Perth. I still think Wellington will struggle.

Perth didnt look great, WSW fast on the counter. Nothing special from what I saw.

We never beat Perth so will stay out bogey team.

Can't see us doing Syd or Victree.

[plague]

why are you wasting time asking about where we're hosting GF? bigger question is "where are we hosting the victory parade?"

this is the only question.

Hunter street in ruins.

I say let’s get all the boys on the back of some V8’s utes and have them do the supercar track.

We get to salute our hero’s AND piss off all the wanker protestors at the top of town in the one hit.

[Wilso8948]

I think we can definitely compete with Adelaide, City, Mariners and Roar. I didn't watch Sydney, Victory, WSW or Perth. I still think Wellington will struggle.

WSW looked much more threatening than last year. City looked more structured and better coached. Both teams have greater depth than us. Victory and Sydney are class and players coming out of the woodwork. Can't write off Roar with the experience in that team so I would see us mid table with them and Perth. Adelaide, Mariners and Wello to bring up the rear.

But **** it give us the toilet seat.

[Jeterpool]

this is the only question.

Hunter street in ruins.

I say let’s get all the boys on the back of some V8’s utes and have them do the supercar track.

We get to salute our hero’s AND piss off all the wanker protestors at the top of town in the one hit.

You're all missing the obvious.

The parade must, and will, go down Griffiths Road.

[lquiquer]

You're all missing the obvious.

The parade must, and will, go down Griffiths Road.

Is there a Champness Avenue yet?

[Couscous]

This guy's inability to say positive things about the Jets (latest Fox podcast) really needles me.

[Jeterpool]

This guy's inability to say positive things about the Jets (latest Fox podcast) really needles me.

I look frward to listening to this now.

[StannyCFCJET]

This guy's inability to say positive things about the Jets (latest Fox podcast) really needles me.

Agreed really hates us

[380]

Scott Miller ? On the A League hour show last night he tipped us to win the premiership.

[Jeterpool]

This guy's inability to say positive things about the Jets (latest Fox podcast) really needles me.


Agreed really hates us

The saying "Melbourne second and third" on the pod was a pisstake from his gaff on Sunday. He spoke fondly about his time with JP and JVS. As for would he be with this team he fairly said it'd need the people he was with. He didn't have a go at Lawrie, Lee or Tranni.

I thought he was handled the question about wanting to be there now really well. Didn't sound bitter, but disappointed.

I'm not taking it the way you both have. It was respectful. Unless I haven't got to that part of the pod yet, it's a non-issue for me.

The bloke wants another A-League gig, and my bet is he's in for the Sydney job. If Kenny gets the sack he'd be in for that too. Plus there's two new jobs coming up soon as well. He's not going to diss the administration of his old club. Football is a small business and that would be career suicide.

[380]

He was very complementary of the Jets last evening and was writing Sydney off. They immediately asked Bozza if he agreed and he said if the scum beat smurfs and we beat the Reds he was on board with Miller.

[WolfMan]

He is absolutely no chance of Sydney FC job. Could see him taking the reigns at Perth though if that opportunity arises

[Couscous]

He spoke fondly about his time with JP and JVS. As for would he be with this team he fairly said it'd need the people he was with. He didn't have a go at Lawrie, Lee or Tranni.

I thought he was handled the question about wanting to be there now really well. Didn't sound bitter, but disappointed.

I take your point, but from my POV he avoided the question entirely - which was an opportunity to comment on how well the Jets are doing, and whether he's happy for them and the club - and answered his own question instead, saying he had two good mates who no longer have jobs at Newcastle. Which was, in context, kind of negative.

I think Miller deliberately avoids effusive praise of the Jets because to do so highlights how well Merrick has done relative to how well Miller did.

If he were a neutral coaching expert/commentator, he might have spoken about how effectively Ernie transformed the Jets' style of play. He might have mentioned that Merrick did this despite having only limited opportunities to shape his squad.

The obvious point is that Merrick is among very few coaches to radically, and successfully, change a team's approach to games. He has implemented a brilliant counter-attacking game with ultra-fast, relatively low-percentage, forward transitions (but not long balls).

The other coaches to similarly radically transform teams were Postecoglou at Roar (possession at all costs), Arnold (extremely effective position planning), Popovic (defence at all costs) and GVE (who, in the early years, focused on possession and fast transition before Roar did ... just not quite as well as Ange).

Miller's impact didn't come close. No wonder he doesn't comment much on Merrick.

[Jetmaster]

Love Simon Hill's question though...

" Do you ever think....that should've been me".

Wello and Perth jobs will be up for grabs Scotty.

[plague]

they are asking him to comment on how good looking his ex-wifes new fella is and that he must be a ripper in the sack.

of course hes gonna sidestep that one.