Jones is Out (pg 49)

[Cabaye#4]

The club should include a cyanide tablet in every membership kit instead of those shit key rings and stickers

You got a key ring? la de da!

[Tommyjet]

Did we sell holland?

[plague]

Did we sell holland?

That's kind of my question.
Plenty of good players left while under contract (or we didn't have the foresight to extend them sending a departure) but did we ever get any decent transfer fees?

[lquiquer]

We never found out how much we got for Ryan ? :lulzturtle:

[lquiquer]

We got few dineros for Birraz :yeahright: ?

[lquiquer]

And I think WE paid WSW to take Sam Gallaway :whistling:

[Wilso8948]

Dunster deserves a ban

Farrrrrr too much sense being spoken.

[pv4]

I remember reading Fiorentina paid 1mil euros for Brillante. That coin almost definitely went directly to tinklers tax man though.

[The Dunster]

Yeah but if you swapped Claudio Ranieri and Kevin Muscat would the results have been the same?

It still comes down to money and Ranieri would cost a lot more to obtain as a coach than Muscat.

So if you are saying the more a club spends the more successful they would be I would say - Yes. The club that spends the most would more than likely be more successful in any given league.

The fact that Ranieri is better than Muscat is well established but that sort of talent and reputation comes at a premium that the Jets certainly cannot afford.

How would Ranieri go in the A-league ? I'm not sure if he'd be able to adjust to the massive drop in talent and professionalism he's used to.

[plague]

It still comes down to money and Ranieri would cost a lot more to obtain as a coach than Muscat.

So if you are saying the more a club spends the more successful they would be I would say - Yes. The club that spends the most would more than likely be more successful in any given league.

The fact that Ranieri is better than Muscat is well established but that sort of talent and reputation comes at a premium that the Jets certainly cannot afford.

How would Ranieri go in the A-league ? I'm not sure if he'd be able to adjust to the massive drop in talent and professionalism he's used to.

I've never been more disappoint in you than I am right now Dunster.

[Cabaye#4]

How would Ranieri go in the A-league ? I'm not sure if he'd be able to adjust to the massive drop in talent and professionalism he's used to.

Well, only one way to find out!
Good suggestion Dunster!

[The Dunster]

I've never been more disappoint in you than I am right now Dunster.

No the results would not have been the same.
Muscat has never built an organisation from the ground up. Ranieri has done so on several occasions.
Ranieri would also be able to attract players for less money than Muscat as well because he provides non-monetary advantages to players and staff that Muscat cannot.

I know .... replacing Jones with someone else could also lead to similar advantages at the Jets. But the Jets work on the principle of short term solutions with long term excuses.

[plague]

No the results would not have been the same.
Muscat has never built an organisation from the ground up. Ranieri has done so on several occasions.
Ranieri would also be able to attract players for less money than Muscat as well because he provides non-monetary advantages to players and staff that Muscat cannot.

I know .... replacing Jones with someone else could also lead to similar advantages at the Jets. But the Jets work on the principle of short term solutions with long term excuses.

No.
I'm disappoint because you clearly didn't let such an absurd question sit in wait for another unsuspecting Foz member to engage it.

Let's just file this one under 'Dunster has been day drinking again' and move on.

Besides, everyone knows Muscat is better than Ranieri.

[The Dunster]

No.
I'm disappoint because you clearly didn't let such an absurd question sit in wait for another unsuspecting Foz member to engage it.

Let's just file this one under 'Dunster has been day drinking again' and move on.

Besides, everyone knows Muscat is better than Ranieri.

http://www.relatably.com/q/img/mousetrap-quotes/sms-4193.jpg

[Jeterpool]

Ha ha ha

[Wilso8948]

No.
I'm disappoint because you clearly didn't let such an absurd question sit in wait for another unsuspecting Foz member to engage it.

Let's just file this one under 'Dunster has been day drinking again' and move on.

Besides, everyone knows Muscat is better than Ranieri.

I'm a suspecting foz member. Hence why I didn't take your bait you old dog you

[MFKS]

14 Pages of Bullshit

This squad is Millertimes shithouse signings.

That why we crap on the park.

Physically weak
Mentally weak
Skill weak

**** me our squad is a collection of shit players and not one of them is a ****ing winner like Griff

Griff had skill and heart and is and was one of the best players in the league.

These ****s are neither skilled nor have heart and are as weak as piss between the ears.

So stop blaming Jones for this mess when the previous incumbent is responsible for collecting this squad of below average piss weak players


Not forgetting the role that the Gypo CEO had to play in ****ing our club up again.

Hope you Gypo loving sycophants are happy now

FFS Plague what the **** happened to the Gypo CEO thread.

You dropped the ****ing ball there



There is the first two problems solved

Big picture people

Millertime and the Gypo CEO have ****ed us up this season no one else

[Premy]

He returns, holly shit I can't wait for you and Stany to go at it.

[Jeterpool]

:shock::shock::shock:

:rof:

[StannyCFCJET]

He returns, holly shit I can't wait for you and Stany to go at it.

Why am i going at MFKS????

[Thomas477]

Welcome back Member!!!

This foz is going to be even more entertaining now.

[furns]

14 Pages of Bullshit

This squad is Millertimes shithouse signings.

That why we crap on the park.

Physically weak
Mentally weak
Skill weak

**** me our squad is a collection of shit players and not one of them is a ****ing winner like Griff

Griff had skill and heart and is and was one of the best players in the league.

These ****s are neither skilled nor have heart and are as weak as piss between the ears.

So stop blaming Jones for this mess when the previous incumbent is responsible for collecting this squad of below average piss weak players


Not forgetting the role that the Gypo CEO had to play in ****ing our club up again.

Hope you Gypo loving sycophants are happy now

FFS Plague what the **** happened to the Gypo CEO thread.

You dropped the ****ing ball there



There is the first two problems solved

Big picture people

Millertime and the Gypo CEO have ****ed us up this season no one elsenever before has this emoji been more appropriate :popcorn:

[Jetmaster]

http://images.memes.com/meme/tile/608662

[pv4]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/l41YuwS5IipGquPmM/200_s.gif

[Jeterpool]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/l41YuwS5IipGquPmM/200_s.gif

:rof:

[The Dunster]

14 Pages of Bullshit

This squad is Millertimes shithouse signings.

That why we crap on the park.

Physically weak
Mentally weak
Skill weak

**** me our squad is a collection of shit players and not one of them is a ****ing winner like Griff

Griff had skill and heart and is and was one of the best players in the league.

These ****s are neither skilled nor have heart and are as weak as piss between the ears.

So stop blaming Jones for this mess when the previous incumbent is responsible for collecting this squad of below average piss weak players


Not forgetting the role that the Gypo CEO had to play in ****ing our club up again.

Hope you Gypo loving sycophants are happy now

FFS Plague what the **** happened to the Gypo CEO thread.

You dropped the ****ing ball there



There is the first two problems solved

Big picture people

Millertime and the Gypo CEO have ****ed us up this season no one else

https://m.popkey.co/a00e06/X1DzG.gif

https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/tumblr_mlql8j3mgg1rfimo0o2_5001.gif

https://66.media.tumblr.com/72c0ac421bcb50cda119bfb029ddd701/tumblr_neqwkbYwt91sgl0ajo1_500.gif

http://thewondrous.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Fat-People-Dancing-06.gif

[plague]

Who's the new guy?

[lquiquer]

Who's the new guy?

Phil Stubbins

[Grimario]

I like the jib of this new guys cut.

[pv4]

boz rn

https://media2.giphy.com/media/l3V0w34dIIiW35KkE/200.gif#8

[Jetmaster]

Who's the new guy?

Some plastic blowin - only appears when times are good.

[lquiquer]

Some plastic blowin - only appears when times are good.

So times are good....:brrr:

[Hunter403]

Sounds like Dertn Hinch on steroids. Welcome back Member!!

Now, be good

[MFKS]

Who's the new guy?

Get some new material buddy.

You used the same piss weak joke last time.

Wasn't funny then either

[plague]

Get some new material buddy.

You used the same piss weak joke last time.

Wasn't funny then either

stop getting banned and you won't have to hear it again.

not rocket surgery innit?

[Cabaye#4]

1369

[Couscous]

Welcome back, member. I didn't realise you are a Jones fanboi.

[plague]

Welcome back, member. I didn't realise you are a Jones fanboi.

the good Member has a phd in Mongrel.

[MFKS]

stop getting banned and you won't have to hear it again.

not rocket surgery innit?
Me getting banned again one day in the future is as inevitable as this useless ****ing football club shooting itself in the foot.

A nigh on certainty

That because I sail close to the wind all the time

Just like Bruno Fornaroli thanking Graham Arnold for attending the FfA Cup Final the other night.

Just like Griff sack wacking the ref

Blokes like that sail close to the wind get the job done in the end.

Mark Jones may well be the 3rd worst coach in the world behind Stubbins and Claudio Ranieri but he not the goose who signed these piss weak players.

Until he actually makes a ****ing signing and I ain't counting Ian Fyfe. (Seriously I was in Thailand at the time and I thought some GYPO had hacked my twitter and Facebook feeds)
Then maybe time to judge.


Bit hard to Polish a turd when the last bloke signed Poljak to a two year deal and head hunted a bloke with 1 penalty and 1 Redmayne howler as his only ****ing goals in 70/80 ****ing games.

This side shit because Millertime signed these blokes

End of

[The Dunster]

Mark Jones may well be the 3rd worst coach in the world behind Stubbins and Claudio Ranieri but he not the goose who signed these piss weak players.

GVE can't win anything these days - not even in the worst three coaches list anymore.

[Couscous]

GVE can't win anything these days - not even in the worst three coaches list anymore.

Always knew the member would come around. He's finally on the bandwagon: bring back the Saviour.

[Jetmaster]

Has anyone seen the Member and Griff in the same room?

[Hunter403]

Griff has completed his C license. It's only a matter of time until he becomes the bearer of our salvation.

[Cabaye#4]

Can confirm that so far Jonesy has answered his harshest critics by standing the entirity of the game so far!
Really addressesing the problems that matter to the fans.

[belchardo]

Can confirm that so far Jonesy has answered his harshest critics by standing the entirity of the game so far!
Really addressesing the problems that matter to the fans.

He has just made an absolutely fantastic point to the fourth official. extra marks for you mr jones.

[lquiquer]

He has just made an absolutely fantastic point to the fourth official. extra marks for you mr jones.

Good to see he's got his priorities right

[plague]

i mean Deans is still there at the ground can't Jones just hand him his security pass and keys to the office and lets be done with it?

[ForeverRed]

The poor bloke has inherited a $100 team and we are playing against a casino, look at Sydney's bench ffs, his doing his best with what his got

[steve136]

The poor bloke has inherited a $100 team and we are playing against a casino, look at Sydney's bench ffs, his doing his best with what his got

Yeah exactly right. And I mean, it's not like we've gotten pushed around against any other teams in the A-League that aren't worth a whole lot like the Coasties hey?

[belchardo]

Back 5 worked a treat mark. shall we try 8 next week?

[belchardo]

Yeah exactly right. And I mean, it's not like we've gotten pushed around against any other teams in the A-League that aren't worth a whole lot like the Coasties hey?

Hey man, fans gotta get behind the team and all that. don't ya know we're the answer?

[plague]

The poor bloke has inherited a $100 team and we are playing against a casino, look at Sydney's bench ffs, his doing his best with what his got

Yep, can't see any way teams are going to score on that all star backline of Wilkinson, Grant, Ryall and Zullo.

[The Dunster]

Jones must really need the money because I'd be walking if that's the type of response my players showed me.
Not saying I'm against Jones or for him but why would anyone want to manage / coach at this club ?

[hawk]

The poor bloke has inherited a $100 team and we are playing against a casino, look at Sydney's bench ffs, his doing his best with what his got

and why do we have that? Cause the management/owners over a long period of time have been and still are stupid cunce

[Cabaye#4]

Well, they said he couldnt do it, but he's gone and silenced his critics with a stirring 90 minutes of standing, combined with yelling and gesturing! Surprised he didn't appear as an option for MotM!

In all seriousness tho, he's had 10 weeks to instill some kind of hunger, desire, structure, purpose and ambiton into his players, yet today was the worst 90 minutes ive watched in a long while...
One week he brings Brennan in from nowhere for his first start, the next he starts Haliti after deeming him not good enough for the bench last week. Yet Clut sits in reserve on the bench. He appears to literally be clutching at straws!
I didnt expect us to play Sydney off the park, but I expected more than 1 shot off target & 68% pass completion...

[lquiquer]

At least today he cant say in the presser that we played good football .......

[leftrightout]

Ernie Merrick looks like he will lose his job soon, can we sign him?

[skullboy]

Well, they said he couldnt do it, but he's gone and silenced his critics with a stirring 90 minutes of standing, combined with yelling and gesturing! Surprised he didn't appear as an option for MotM!

In all seriousness tho, he's had 10 weeks to instill some kind of hunger, desire, structure, purpose and ambiton into his players, yet today was the worst 90 minutes ive watched in a long while...
One week he brings Brennan in from nowhere for his first start, the next he starts Haliti after deeming him not good enough for the bench last week. Yet Clut sits in reserve on the bench. He appears to literally be clutching at straws!
I didnt expect us to play Sydney off the park, but I expected more than 1 shot off target & 68% pass completion...

68%? Surely not. It couldn't have been any more than 50%. That was the most inept performance in terms of passing that I have ever seen.

[GazFish35]

In all seriousness tho, he's had 10 weeks to instill some kind of hunger, desire, structure, purpose and ambiton

He's taken us backwards in every facet.

[Cabaye#4]

Also, is it just me or does anybody else notice that Wayne Brown contests more headers than any other Jet, despite being the shortest guy on the pitch?

[belchardo]

He's taken us backwards in every facet.

Except mongrel. We're totally winning that these days.

[sammydog]

He's taken us backwards in every facet.

With everything, including the crowd going backwards you would think the club would step in, but as per usual it's all silence.

Mr Lee's reluctance to bolster the injury depleted squad though is as equally to blame as Jones.

Does anyone know how long all these injuries are supposed to be?

[The Dunster]

All injuries are six weeks unless specified otherwise.

[Cabaye#4]

Mr Lee's reluctance to bolster the injury depleted squad though is as equally to blame as Jones.

But with the salary cap, and the fact we have a full roster and filled all 5 OS spots, how do u propose he bolster the squad?

[plague]

how do u propose he bolster the squad?

moar aziuns wif band aids on their noses please.

[Retro Jet]

Ernie Merrick looks like he will lose his job soon, can we sign him?

Ernie is 1 draw or +4 goals away from saving his spot.
Get on the spoon now chumps!

[The Dunster]

But with the salary cap, and the fact we have a full roster and filled all 5 OS spots, how do u propose he bolster the squad?

The Jets have 15 players coming off contract so there is an opportunity to release a few of them in January if the club have no intention of extending their contracts.
The salary cap is ridiculous - plenty of ways to get 7 or 8 players outside the cap in your squad.
The problem is we don't have a single player outside the salary cap let alone 7 or 8 of them like the big clubs do.

Personally I'd like to see the restrictions on foreign players removed and to see the salary cap gone as well. That way the excuses for mediocrity might cease and players would be forced to either get better or look for an alternative way to make a living.
If Australians want to be part of the league they need to earn their place not be handed it because of their citizenship status.

[sammydog]

But with the salary cap, and the fact we have a full roster and filled all 5 OS spots, how do u propose he bolster the squad?

How about making use of injury replacements. With all these long term injuries all we have utilised is Fyfe. Other clubs with the injury toll we have would have been all over injury replacements.

[GazFish35]

I think they needs to be out for longer than thery are to be allowed to be replaced.

[parksey]

It's still hard for me to judge Jones' impact considering how many disruptions there's been on the player front.

But no question we are playing some of the worst football any Jets side has done in our history. I think last week in Melbourne was the worst performance I've seen in the flesh, and that was still with five or six first-choice players in the side.

I can't justify pulling the trigger on him with so many players being out, but I'd definitely be putting the feelers out for interested parties. I've never been convinced he was the man for the job.

[Thomas477]

Franz Straka is a free agent.

Should bring back the beige, the cream, the off white jacket.

[The Dunster]

It's still hard for me to judge Jones' impact considering how many disruptions there's been on the player front.

But no question we are playing some of the worst football any Jets side has done in our history. I think last week in Melbourne was the worst performance I've seen in the flesh, and that was still with five or six first-choice players in the side.

I can't justify pulling the trigger on him with so many players being out, but I'd definitely be putting the feelers out for interested parties. I've never been convinced he was the man for the job.

So basically the ugly chick with low self esteem has turned us down so we might as well hit on Sports Illustrated Models. Because that's about how ridiculous it is to talk about getting a new coach. It's simply not going to happen. The clubs ****ed, nothing has changed, nothing will change, the Jets are headed for another wooden spoon.

No good manager would want the gig at Newcastle because it's a hopeless situation. And the ones that would want the gig want it because they can't get a gig anywhere else. I don't know how anyone could follow this club anymore. The jets died the day Con lost the licence and needs to be folded.

[Cabaye#4]

The Jets have 15 players coming off contract so there is an opportunity to release a few of them in January if the club have no intention of extending their contracts.

Well whose to say we wont in january? We need to get there first, and by the looks of it we'll be trying to lure players to play for the team coming 10th with a sh*t coach. So Miller made this bed, we're all laying in it.

[Cabaye#4]

How about making use of injury replacements. With all these long term injuries all we have utilised is Fyfe. Other clubs with the injury toll we have would have been all over injury replacements.
Kout has covered Alessi, Fyfe is covering Mullen, and then who cares if we replace BK. Nabbout 2-3 weeks, Kokko 3-4 weeks.
How many quality players do you think are out there, waiting to sign a 3 week contract? Certainly not many superstars that will change our fortunes. Keanu Moore is a good local player, but even if he had the ability to make it, he'd need a few months to prove himself. No point ruining a kid's career by chucking him in the deep end.

[WolfMan]

Well whose to say we wont in january? We need to get there first, and by the looks of it we'll be trying to lure players to play for the team coming 10th with a sh*t coach. So Miller made this bed, we're all laying in it.

If you believe that the club would be in the same position (literally and figuratively) if Miller was still around, then I don't know what to tell you.

I know who I'd rather.

[halo se7en]

If you believe that the club would be in the same position (literally and figuratively) if Miller was still around, then I don't know what to tell you.

I know who I'd rather.

Beat me to it. And to whoever used Hoole to suggest Jones is basically hamstrung with all Miller's 'shit signings' is absolutely kidding themselves.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Kout has covered Alessi, Fyfe is covering Mullen, and then who cares if we replace BK. Nabbout 2-3 weeks, Kokko 3-4 weeks.
How many quality players do you think are out there, waiting to sign a 3 week contract? Certainly not many superstars that will change our fortunes. Keanu Moore is a good local player, but even if he had the ability to make it, he'd need a few months to prove himself. No point ruining a kid's career by chucking him in the deep end.

Brennan, Pav and Cooper have been told to find a new club by January, so there is 3 spots we can fill with whoever we want, so long as the $ are there. (I don't believe any of those are youth contracts?)

[halo se7en]

Brennan, Pav and Cooper have been told to find a new club by January, so there is 3 spots we can fill with whoever we want, so long as the $ are there. (I don't believe any of those are youth contracts?)

The $ and the players. Realistically, how many suitable players are there to get? And do we honestly expect Jones to look beyond Adelaide?

[Roundball Enthusiast]

The $ and the players. Realistically, how many suitable players are there to get? And do we honestly expect Jones to look beyond Adelaide?

Most of the Asian leagues have finished their season, there is plenty of Aussie talent over there, that might come back for decent $

[MFKS]

Beat me to it. And to whoever used Hoole to suggest Jones is basically hamstrung with all Miller's 'shit signings' is absolutely kidding themselves.
So what exactly has been good about Hoole since he returned??

His set pieces which are either over hit or under hit dramatically
His ability to hack opponents and pick up a cheap card
His lack of interest in chasing back when he coughs up the ball
His inability to put pressure on an opponent in defence
His ability to fall over ridiculously easily
His goal scoring prowess
His constant turning in the same direction
His lack of forward running off the ball

??

Exactly what about him makes him a good signing??

Because to me he was a much more effective player 2 years ago than now



Point still stands what support has Jones had from Ledman ? ?

A couple of bargain basement signings in an untried kid and an over the hill Fyfe

FFS people think I am overly critical but Jones is trying to Polish some other clowns turd here with nothing from above in support


As I said 90% of this squad Millertime gave the gig to
Same like who gave Poljak a two year deal
Same bloke resigned Kanta who let's face it has done **** all the last few years to warrant a contract extension
Same bloke signed Nortstand when it is pretty evident he is getting old quickly

Millertime made so many shit decisions yet you happy to pass up the responsibility he faces and blame the poor sod stuck taking the reigns of this ongoing cluster****

[Hunter403]

I'll hold my judgement on Jones until he has players back on deck. The reality is with the fit players in this squad right now i doubt that any managercould conjur wins.

In saying that, I am concerned that Jones is not gettin the ost out of what he has and that he seems (to me and many others here) to not be using what he has effectively. No No Good and Haircut Hoole are painful to watch. Our passing is inaccurate and our first touch poor. Clut is seemingly on the outer.

Poistives for me. Duncan getting better. Kamboulis is raw and making important errors but he is getting better.

Am willing to back Jones for a bit longer.....but not too much if he can't improve things.

[novacastrian2300]

That was the worst game of Football I have ever witnessed.
Can't believe I wasted my Sunday afternoon on that garbage!

[parksey]

So basically the ugly chick with low self esteem has turned us down so we might as well hit on Sports Illustrated Models. Because that's about how ridiculous it is to talk about getting a new coach. It's simply not going to happen. The clubs ****ed, nothing has changed, nothing will change, the Jets are headed for another wooden spoon.

No good manager would want the gig at Newcastle because it's a hopeless situation. And the ones that would want the gig want it because they can't get a gig anywhere else. I don't know how anyone could follow this club anymore. The jets died the day Con lost the licence and needs to be folded.

Con was a joke.

Worse than Tinkler.

[stopper2]

Con was a joke.

Worse than Tinkler.

Both ran out of money and ripped people off but at least Con had passion for the game and the club.
Get your facts straight Parksey!!!:angry:

[plague]

So what exactly has been good about Hoole since he returned??

His set pieces which are either over hit or under hit dramatically
His ability to hack opponents and pick up a cheap card
His lack of interest in chasing back when he coughs up the ball
His inability to put pressure on an opponent in defence
His ability to fall over ridiculously easily
His goal scoring prowess
His constant turning in the same direction
His lack of forward running off the ball

??

Exactly what about him makes him a good signing??


His consistency?

[plague]

Con was a joke.

Worse than Tinkler.

If the FFA had a do over bet they'd love to have just helped Con through his financial troubles instead of the abortion that has gone on since.

[6ft11]

Jones OUT

Enough's enough, don't want a coach who knows us or Newy, want a coach who can coach!
No people skills no coaching skills Jonesy, off you go old mate.

[Nou Camp]

Jones OUT

Enough's enough, don't want a coach who knows us or Newy, want a coach who can coach!
No people skills no coaching skills Jonesy, off you go old mate.

but whats a new coach going to do when your only 2 centre backs are 34+ been playing state league for 3 years and an 18 year old kid thrown in the deep end

[RAM]

but whats a new coach going to do when your only 2 centre backs are 34+ been playing state league for 3 years and an 18 year old kid thrown in the deep end

Develop. Move forward. Change to a 8-1-1 formation. Turn Haliti into a sweeper. Yell at people. Place the cones better.

[RAM]

Jones OUT

Enough's enough, don't want a coach who knows us or Newy, want a coach who can coach!
No people skills no coaching skills Jonesy, off you go old mate.

Josh Kennedy?

[halo se7en]

So what exactly has been good about Hoole since he returned??

His set pieces which are either over hit or under hit dramatically
His ability to hack opponents and pick up a cheap card
His lack of interest in chasing back when he coughs up the ball
His inability to put pressure on an opponent in defence
His ability to fall over ridiculously easily
His goal scoring prowess
His constant turning in the same direction
His lack of forward running off the ball

??

Exactly what about him makes him a good signing??

Because to me he was a much more effective player 2 years ago than now



Point still stands what support has Jones had from Ledman ? ?

A couple of bargain basement signings in an untried kid and an over the hill Fyfe

FFS people think I am overly critical but Jones is trying to Polish some other clowns turd here with nothing from above in support


As I said 90% of this squad Millertime gave the gig to
Same like who gave Poljak a two year deal
Same bloke resigned Kanta who let's face it has done **** all the last few years to warrant a contract extension
Same bloke signed Nortstand when it is pretty evident he is getting old quickly

Millertime made so many shit decisions yet you happy to pass up the responsibility he faces and blame the poor sod stuck taking the reigns of this ongoing cluster****

My point was you choose Hoole but ignore Uga, Nordstrand, Vujica, Brown, Nabbout who have shown enough quality to suggest we should be playing better. Maybe it's a coincidence that the first two have struggled under a different manager? Maybe not. I've never said Miller was perfect but **** me what has Jones got? Why isn't the team playing with any heart? Why didn't fire up when Kokko got clocked in the jaw by a Mariner no less?

And Hoole has been ****ing rubbish, so why hasn't Jones benched him?

[Cabaye#4]

Most of the Asian leagues have finished their season, there is plenty of Aussie talent over there, that might come back for decent $

Decent $? I guarantee you Brennan, Coops & Pav are not on decent $. And would you like us to put all our eggs in one basket and throw all our money at one guy and then have no $ left to sign players.... kind of like now...
Tinks paid over the odds for Boogs, and that created a hole in our cap which we are still suffering from now.

Also. Agreed on Hoole. The only reason he gets 90 minutes every week is because he never puts enough effort in to be tired by the 70th minute.
Ma didn't offer a great deal in his first start, but at least he literally ran his ass off until he couldnt run anymore.

[MFKS]

My point was you choose Hoole but ignore Uga, Nordstrand, Vujica, Brown, Nabbout who have shown enough quality to suggest we should be playing better. Maybe it's a coincidence that the first two have struggled under a different manager? Maybe not. I've never said Miller was perfect but **** me what has Jones got? Why isn't the team playing with any heart? Why didn't fire up when Kokko got clocked in the jaw by a Mariner no less?

And Hoole has been ****ing rubbish, so why hasn't Jones benched him?

Nortstand in my opinion is over the hill.

Last year he came in and showed enough just to get a deal
I think the club and Millertime misjudged his fitness level

As a result have made a dud buy

Nabbout has shown something which is missing from the rest of his teammates.
He actually plays direct and doesn't give a **** about GVES keep ball ad nauseum shit his teammates are afflicted by
Injury though has ****ed him twice this season already

Ugarkovic is struggling as the rest of the ****s about round him are shit.
No one up front is capable of holding the pill so who the **** can he pass it too
His colleagues in DM are worse at breaking up play than him.

So he does way too much running in defence

He is struggling due to quality of the ****s around him.

As for Brown being much chop??
People are having a laugh.

The biggest joke this club has inflicted on Members this season was really signing this bloke on the back of 3-4 games.
Since then he has done nothing and is ineffectual.

Let's face it if he was any good he would be making a living in the British lower leagues but is instead over here sucking the mango as they don't want him

I will go as far as Millertime had a better side last year

Milos Carney Alivodic Leonardo

Offered much more than

Kokko
Hoole Brown Nabbout

Point is Millertimes signings are arguably much worse this season as he has assembled a poorer quality squad and failed to address some glaring issues within the squad

[Cabaye#4]

The other issue with Brown is that he started him in the 10, he provided a goal threat and looked handy around the box, but quickly realised our DMs and defenders cant pass, and we have noone to hold up the ball, so Brown was not involved.
So he then moved him back to get him involved in the play more, but he then has no forward options to play as Hoole never looks to get in behind as all he does is drift in field and lose the ball. So thus Brown has become frustrated and useless.

[The Dunster]

I can't agree with MFKS about Koko. He's got a lot of talent and anyone that can continue playing with a fractured jaw is a true competitor in anyone's language.
Interesting comments by MFKS about Ugarkovic and how those around him make him look bad.
And yet Wayne Brown is surrounded by the same players and not afforded the luxury of the very same excuse.

[MFKS]

I can't agree with MFKS about Koko. He's got a lot of talent and anyone that can continue playing with a fractured jaw is a true competitor in anyone's language.
Interesting comments by MFKS about Ugarkovic and how those around him make him look bad.
And yet Wayne Brown is surrounded by the same players and not afforded the luxury of the very same excuse.

What talent has Kokko got??

So far he has shown us shit.

He missed a tap in to an empty net v the Nix from 6 yards where thank for him it had trickled out already.
He also missed a gaping goal v the Gypos that would have gave us the ****ing win.

So exactly what has he offered so far??

Not a hell of a lot of positives.

Takes balls to play with a broken jaw?? That the only thing he can hang his hat on.

As for Brown I going to call it.
The bloke is a English player who had his shot at the big time not work out as he just wasn't good enough. He isn't physically big enough to cut it in the lower leagues and make a career out if it in Britain.

Instead his agent finds some dumb **** club and let's him sucking the mango as a pro footballer for a few more years.

We just the dumb ****s who pay the tab

I just don't rate him. Couple of flashy goals mean **** all to me. Thete ain't much to the rest of his game that makes me think we have a great player on our hands. We have just wasted our foreigner spot on this bloke for 3 years for no reason

[halo se7en]

What talent has Kokko got??

So far he has shown us shit.

He missed a tap in to an empty net v the Nix from 6 yards where thank for him it had trickled out already.
He also missed a gaping goal v the Gypos that would have gave us the ****ing win.

So exactly what has he offered so far??

Not a hell of a lot of positives.

Takes balls to play with a broken jaw?? That the only thing he can hang his hat on.

As for Brown I going to call it.
The bloke is a English player who had his shot at the big time not work out as he just wasn't good enough. He isn't physically big enough to cut it in the lower leagues and make a career out if it in Britain.

Instead his agent finds some dumb **** club and let's him sucking the mango as a pro footballer for a few more years.

We just the dumb ****s who pay the tab

I just don't rate him. Couple of flashy goals mean **** all to me. Thete ain't much to the rest of his game that makes me think we have a great player on our hands. We have just wasted our foreigner spot on this bloke for 3 years for no reason

So you agreed Nabbout has been good, and that Nordstrand & Ugarkovic have suffered this season... but you criticize Miller's signings and refuse to hold Jones accountable for anything. You complain about Kokko because he didn't score twice when he should have, but claim that Brown has done nothing but score a couple of goals.

The funniest part is you don't seem to know what you're complaining about anymore.

[The Dunster]

How good is it having the Member back on deck. Place was not the same without him.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

This place was so much nicer without The Member.

[white city]

This place was so much nicer without The Member.

We should make a play for ernie merrick to become our manager!?!

[The Dunster]

We should make a play for ernie merrick to become our manager!?!

He's only had success when he's had teams with plenty of money behind them - and even then he managed to have some shockers as well.
Total waste of time and money bringing him to Newcastle.

[lquiquer]

Let's put it that way:
I don't think Kokko will turn out to be a Fornaroli, Brown a Castro, Nordstrand a Brandan, Hoole a Rojas, Nabbout a BenKhalfala..... etc etc... Cowburn and Vujica are no Elrich.... Boogs and Mullen are no Wilkinson....
Poljack and Kanta are no...things ...and then we've got Hoffman!....:lulzturtle:

[plague]

Total waste of time and money bringing him to Newcastle.

So you're saying he's perfect for our club then?

[Roundball Enthusiast]

So you're saying he's perfect for our club then?

He arrives tomorrow.

[plague]

He arrives tomorrow.

I heard 6-8 weeks.

[RAM]

He's only had success when he's had teams with plenty of money behind them - and even then he managed to have some shockers as well.
Total waste of time and money bringing him to Newcastle.

You could expect better recruitment from Ernie IMO. In terms of coaching I don't think he'd be any worse. At least he's had success somewhere.

[6ft11]

I'd have Ernie anyday compared to Muppet No2 aka Mark Jones
Ernie has at least won something in his life.
Aloisi couldn't win a game at Heart now he's flying
Maybe Jones should try his luck elsewhere (without the security of his mates backing him)

[Grimario]

Just saw this in relation to our NFL named counterparts.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cy9tUJvXEAAAEsQ.jpg

Perfect, really.

[Jeterpool]

Just saw this in relation to our NFL named counterparts.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cy9tUJvXEAAAEsQ.jpg

Perfect, really.

How many orders have been taken so far?

[monz6]

Let's put it that way:
I don't think Kokko will turn out to be a Fornaroli, Brown a Castro, Nordstrand a Brandan, Hoole a Rojas, Nabbout a BenKhalfala..... etc etc... Cowburn and Vujica are no Elrich.... Boogs and Mullen are no Wilkinson....
Poljack and Kanta are no...things ...and then we've got Hoffman!....:lulzturtle:

Elrich wasn't even an Elrich until he left here

[lquiquer]

How many orders have been taken so far?

8473

[6ft11]

+1

[hawk]

Jest endure it

[MFKS]

Just saw this in relation to our NFL named counterparts.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cy9tUJvXEAAAEsQ.jpg

Perfect, really.

TIFO

Needed

[Hunter403]

Member, I like the way you are thinking!!

Did I actually say that??????

[MFKS]

Way things are going well may be able to use the whole Eastern stand for large scale tifo soon

[6ft11]

Way things are going well may be able to use the whole Eastern stand for large scale tifo soon

+1

[plague]

who is the asian guy on the bench with the coaching staff?

also while we're at it there were about 8 of them the other sitting around in team polos looking useless. who are all these assistants etc?

can anyone name names?

[lquiquer]

Qiang Li.....

[belchardo]

And the stretcher bearers. :rof:

[hawk]

And the stretcher bearers. :rof:

I know those guys. not plastic

[belchardo]

I know those guys. not plastic

there every game. truly committed.

[MFKS]

Yeah I was 9/10 plastered yesterday and some bloke I know showing me photos of his grand kid.

Kid had turned up at a function and had countless photos taken with the Jets players.
Going through them could see him with Hoff Hoole Nobby Brown Stevie U etc


But the kid was also posing with about 6/8 ring ins who for the life of us we couldn't work out who the **** they were.
Blokes were dressed the same and not part of the Yoof team either.

Maybe backroom staff ??

[Jeterpool]

who is the asian guy on the bench with the coaching staff?

also while we're at it there were about 8 of them the other sitting around in team polos looking useless. who are all these assistants etc?

can anyone name names?

The guy on the bench is Rocky. He's the interpreter for Ma Leilei and alos a part of the coaching staff.

[Jeterpool]

http://www.newcastlefootball.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1372&d=1482095245

Bit hard to see - sorry.

1372

[Macca]

Yeah I can't see any of the text at all

[Jeterpool]

1373

http://www.newcastlefootball.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1373&d=1482095792

[turbojetfireV8]

Yeah I was 9/10 plastered yesterday and some bloke I know showing me photos of his grand kid.

Kid had turned up at a function and had countless photos taken with the Jets players.
Going through them could see him with Hoff Hoole Nobby Brown Stevie U etc


But the kid was also posing with about 6/8 ring ins who for the life of us we couldn't work out who the **** they were.
Blokes were dressed the same and not part of the Yoof team either.

Maybe backroom staff ??

at this point you do realise you needed to steal his phone so you could show us all these randoms so we know to keep an eye on them...

[OmeletteDuFromage]

Rocky Liu is our International Football Manager
Qiang Li is an assistant coach

Can't find anything about any others.

[turbojetfireV8]

I think you lot are confusing me now, are these guys just a pack of randoms, or are they Chinese guys Martin has sent out here?

[hawk]

1373

Interesting. This shows that we are nearly always mediocre to sh1t. Well done.

[Jetmaster]

It just means we are getting some backroom staff. Most of us are not used to seeing any more than the coach, assistant and dogsbody with the bucket of oranges sitting on the pine.

[evanhayes5]

Rocky Liu is our International Football Manager
Qiang Li is an assistant coach

Can't find anything about any others.

1374

[Thomas477]

Griff :wub:

[OmeletteDuFromage]

1374

I meant any other Chinese staff.

[Wilso8948]

Chris brown as strength and conditioning coach.

Guess the boys do a lot of boxing..

[Jardelsimage]

1374

I see GVE is still on the books, Academy Director. haha

[Hunter403]

I see GVE is still on the books, Academy Director. haha

Would explain the tidal wave of juniors coming through....

[Couscous]

Not strictly related, but I need to help out a mate who has only 53 followers (https://twitter.com/gary_egmond) on Twitter.

Any assistance greatly appreciated.

[380]

Not strictly related, but I need to help out a mate who has only 53 followers (https://twitter.com/gary_egmond) on Twitter.

Any assistance greatly appreciated.

Hi Gaz.

[plague]

Heres some stats (at 4/1/17) for you boys esp my homies.

Most passes - 1. Gypos (Sydney 8th)
Passing accuracy - 1. Citeh 2. Gypos. (Sydney last).
Yellow cards - Least: Gypos.


Is Okon the new GVE and is Gypo Arnie the new Kenny Lowe who was the new Terry Butcher?

Good stats these, they tell me so much.

[MFKS]

Heres some stats (at 4/1/17) for you boys esp my homies.

Most passes - 1. Gypos (Sydney 8th)
Passing accuracy - 1. Citeh 2. Gypos. (Sydney last).
Yellow cards - Least: Gypos.


Is Okon the new GVE and is Gypo Arnie the new Kenny Lowe who was the new Terry Butcher?

Good stats these, they tell me so much.

Because even though you do not rate stats one thing is actually true about then.

Goals are actually scored from the minimal passing plays

It actually rare to see goals after 5 passes

It one of the reasons why under Jones we are looking better we are actually moving the ball forward more often and quicker and doing much less of the recycling possession shit we have done.

Something GVE and the rest since have never understood

[plague]

Because even though you do not rate stats one thing is actually true about then.

Goals are actually scored from the minimal passing plays

It actually rare to see goals after 5 passes

It one of the reasons why under Jones we are looking better we are actually moving the ball forward more often and quicker and doing much less of the recycling possession shit we have done.

Something GVE and the rest since have never understood


This post got me reading and you are wrong but you are right.

In the 'top 3' leagues possession, passing and passing accuracy has pretty much lined up with table position and goals scored. The one big outlier is West Brom in the EPL who are bottom in the passing stats but middle to high for goal ratio and table position.

The same can be said for the Italian and Spanish league.


BUT

drill down a bit and once you get out of the top tier of leagues and into the German, French, then onto USA and obviously A-League (where my reading started) and there is way less of a correlation between passing/possession and goals, which is exactly what you are saying.

So my takeaway from this is that is you wanna play like Barca, then you gotta go get players good enough to be able to play like that (yo 'sup GVE?). If you don't have the cattle, then you need to adjust accordingly. Now IMHO Jones didnt play to his players at the start of the year, but in the last few weeks there has been a noticeable shift in tactics and we as 'fans' have seen it (and enjoyed it).

and as mentioned before, i give Jones the benefit and credit for this.
now, the next step is bringing in more players who can dance to his boogie. If he can do that (and if he is allowed to do it) then i can't see why the good times can't continue.




i mean, of course, the same thing 'could' have happened if Miller continued on but anyway..........

[plague]

but the best stat is that some dude from from WBA has the 2nd most assists in the EPL this year so far so expect him to sign for the Jets ASAP and we'll win the comp.

[parksey]

I actually think that every goal Sydney has scored this season has been on the counter (just go with it)

[MFKS]

This post got me reading and you are wrong but you are right.

In the 'top 3' leagues possession, passing and passing accuracy has pretty much lined up with table position and goals scored. The one big outlier is West Brom in the EPL who are bottom in the passing stats but middle to high for goal ratio and table position.

The same can be said for the Italian and Spanish league.


BUT

drill down a bit and once you get out of the top tier of leagues and into the German, French, then onto USA and obviously A-League (where my reading started) and there is way less of a correlation between passing/possession and goals, which is exactly what you are saying.

So my takeaway from this is that is you wanna play like Barca, then you gotta go get players good enough to be able to play like that (yo 'sup GVE?). If you don't have the cattle, then you need to adjust accordingly. Now IMHO Jones didnt play to his players at the start of the year, but in the last few weeks there has been a noticeable shift in tactics and we as 'fans' have seen it (and enjoyed it).

and as mentioned before, i give Jones the benefit and credit for this.
now, the next step is bringing in more players who can dance to his boogie. If he can do that (and if he is allowed to do it) then i can't see why the good times can't continue.




i mean, of course, the same thing 'could' have happened if Miller continued on but anyway..........
Nice detailed synopsis there Plague that you put together


I wasn't referring to teams like Roar Barca Man City etc who like to pass the opposition to death before scoring

I was actually referring to the stat that the English FA based the long game tactic they stuck with for years and years

That most goals are actually scored from minimal number of passes/ touches


Plus you wrong at the end about Millertime.He would have parked the bus again this year and would have thrown his players under it like he did regularly last season

It actually good to see Jones just get on with it and make use of the shit he has instead of offering up excuses like his predecessors

[hawk]

conclusion: long ball/quick break gets more goals in lower leagues eg aleague

[plague]

Plus you wrong at the end about Millertime.He would have parked the bus again this year and would have thrown his players under it like he did regularly last season

It actually good to see Jones just get on with it and make use of the shit he has instead of offering up excuses like his predecessors

hey homie im with you on Jones. I aint praising anyone til they get that toilet seat over their head though, but just like you I've enjoyed the past few weeks.

as for Miller, well he's allowed to carry on the proud Jets tradition of blaming the other blokes players for his downfall. To be fair, the day any coach of ours actually gets the players he wants and gets time with them it will be like the dog finally catching up to the car. we won't know what the hell to do.

anyway, more sackings, more signings, more of everything!!!!!

[hawk]

hey homie im with you on Jones. I aint praising anyone til they get that toilet seat over their head though, but just like you I've enjoyed the past few weeks.

as for Miller, well he's allowed to carry on the proud Jets tradition of blaming the other blokes players for his downfall.!

Ay? Miller was boned by the assistant, gypo and lee. He had the same/similar deadwood to work with and got results which is most important yeah?

Anyway, Miller haters are (ray warren voice) fair-dinkum coasties. :o

[turbojetfireV8]

I think I am still too frustrated with our more often than not ineffectual attack to get too excited about our coach - he's still got to sort out the wasted talent that is Hoole, guy could be a world beater but instead he runs himself into unwinnable positions or loses any momentum he's made by making shit decisions, it's almost an act of God when he actually doesn't fart-ass about and gets into a position to shoot or pass to someone else who can, but Jones seems to be content with the shitness and encourages him to keep up the mediocrity in the vain hope he might improve without any guidance - I think he needs to pull Joel outta the office and get him to mentor Hoole, I'm sure Joel would lay it on the line to Hoole what he's doing right and where he's going ever so wrong, after a few sack whacks Hoole might even start to get the message...

[hawk]

I think he needs to pull Joel outta the office and get him to mentor Hoole

stuff Oath, griff isnt an office type anyway. Get some mongrel back.

[plague]

I think I am still too frustrated with our more often than not ineffectual attack to get too excited about our coach - he's still got to sort out the wasted talent that is Hoole, guy could be a world beater but instead he runs himself into unwinnable positions or loses any momentum he's made by making shit decisions, it's almost an act of God when he actually doesn't fart-ass about and gets into a position to shoot or pass to someone else who can, but Jones seems to be content with the shitness and encourages him to keep up the mediocrity in the vain hope he might improve without any guidance - I think he needs to pull Joel outta the office and get him to mentor Hoole, I'm sure Joel would lay it on the line to Hoole what he's doing right and where he's going ever so wrong, after a few sack whacks Hoole might even start to get the message...

Hoole leads the league in 'chances'.

Now im not sure if that refers to chances created, or chances given by his coach.

but you stat nerdz can't throw this shit in my face then bag the bloke when he's da best at something.















also he has one assist so we must sack him apparently.......

[Jeterpool]

I'm interested in people's thoughts about what you think the club will do should we miss the finals, or even finish 9th. What we want the club to do isn't what I want to know - Regardless of whether we believe Jones should be the coach in the first place, or whether we want him to stay or not.

What is the point where the club will consider Jones' tenure under threat? Can we afford to change yet another coach to appoint our 6th within 4 years?

I think the club will stick by Jones, regardless of the final position. I think they will allow him to recruit his team and give him a full off-season. I don't think there is a trigger that will result in his departure.

[StannyCFCJET]

I'm interested in people's thoughts about what you think the club will do should we miss the finals, or even finish 9th. What we want the club to do isn't what I want to know - Regardless of whether we believe Jones should be the coach in the first place, or whether we want him to stay or not.

What is the point where the club will consider Jones' tenure under threat? Can we afford to change yet another coach to appoint our 6th within 4 years?

I think the club will stick by Jones, regardless of the final position. I think they will allow him to recruit his team and give him a full off-season. I don't think there is a trigger that will result in his departure.

Jones will be given another year but will have strict objectives from the ledman group

[The Camel]

I'm interested in people's thoughts about what you think the club will do should we miss the finals, or even finish 9th. What we want the club to do isn't what I want to know - Regardless of whether we believe Jones should be the coach in the first place, or whether we want him to stay or not.

What is the point where the club will consider Jones' tenure under threat? Can we afford to change yet another coach to appoint our 6th within 4 years?

I think the club will stick by Jones, regardless of the final position. I think they will allow him to recruit his team and give him a full off-season. I don't think there is a trigger that will result in his departure.

If we finish 9th I think Lee will realise how far off we are and clean Jones out and maybe invest more cash. Really, barring a miraculous finish we should be moving Jones on and getting a proper football manager in that is experienced. We have gone backwards this season, no wins against the Mariners is horrid

[The Dunster]

The Jets will not make the finals but they have definitely closed the gap as far as their competitiveness goes.
Points wise things are not much different to last year but this team has managed to be a lot more competitive and avoided being schooled all over the park to the extent last years team was on many occasions.
If last years team had to face this years injury toll then points wise this year may have been slightly better.

I still think we lack the players and the money to have a serious shot at winning a title though and don't see it changing.
People can talk about top six but as far as I'm concerned you either win the league or you lose it. Simple as that.
I want a team that plays well / entertains all season.
Jones will stay because he's cheap - and his main constraint is a lack of money to buy players.
We simply didn't have enough money to get anyone in January - it wasn't a case of Jones refusing to spend.

[Jetmaster]

Even if we lose all our games this season now, there will be no change, and to be honest four coaches in two years would be ridiculous.

I think Ledman will give the management team the off season (I trust an increased budget is part of their business plan) to recruit more efficiently, and see how the first 8 weeks pans out.

[Grimario]

Unless we somehow collapse and win the spoon, Jones will be here regardless of where we finish. He will get his own full off season, structure the team the way he wants and then be held accountable next year.

[StannyCFCJET]

Unless we somehow collapse and win the spoon, Jones will be here regardless of where we finish. He will get his own full off season, structure the team the way he wants and then be held accountable next year.

Should be held accountable this year due to several questionable decisions.

[Grimario]

Should be held accountable this year due to several questionable decisions.

Don't see it happening.

[StannyCFCJET]

Don't see it happening.

Neither do I but for all the good Jones has done that last 3-4 weeks have been close to awful and were going backwards in reguards to the good football we were playing a month ago

[steve136]

Here's the thing though, we can give Jones 5 years to "build his squad", but the reality is he's always going to be a well below-average coach. Apart from some early season Nabbout heroics, how much better have we really been this season? Jones' squad selection and substitutions have been downright bizarre at times. I forget which game it was, but we were down a goal and for the last 20 we played without a striker. His comments about "scoring more goals, conceding less" this week doesn't give the indication that he's got a master plan he's building towards.

As for what the club will do? They'll have full faith in him, witness the team continue its decline in the early part of next season, realise they were wasting their time and sack him before round 6.

[Jeterpool]

Here's the thing though, we can give Jones 5 years to "build his squad", but the reality is he's always going to be a well below-average coach. Apart from some early season Nabbout heroics, how much better have we really been this season? Jones' squad selection and substitutions have been downright bizarre at times. I forget which game it was, but we were down a goal and for the last 20 we played without a striker. His comments about "scoring more goals, conceding less" this week doesn't give the indication that he's got a master plan he's building towards.

As for what the club will do? They'll have full faith in him, witness the team continue its decline in the early part of next season, realise they were wasting their time and sack him before round 6.

While we haven't been towelled up this season like we have in previous seasons (thinking 7-0 Adelaide, 4-0 City twice, 6-1 Perth) we have let in more goals that we have the previous year.

We aren't going to be seriously considered for anything until we can effectively defend - by doing it without the ball (obviously) and actually holding onto the ball a bit more!

[Jardelsimage]

Here's the thing though, we can give Jones 5 years to "build his squad", but the reality is he's always going to be a well below-average coach. Apart from some early season Nabbout heroics, how much better have we really been this season? Jones' squad selection and substitutions have been downright bizarre at times. I forget which game it was, but we were down a goal and for the last 20 we played without a striker. His comments about "scoring more goals, conceding less" this week doesn't give the indication that he's got a master plan he's building towards.

As for what the club will do? They'll have full faith in him, witness the team continue its decline in the early part of next season, realise they were wasting their time and sack him before round 6.

makes decisions and sounds like his mentor, Sir Gary......

[The Dunster]

Until Hawk takes over the clubs never going to have enough money to be competitive.

[Pico]

Jones to be retained no matter the outcome of this year, club to roll out the usual not his squad, wait till next year, his squad, building blah blah blah.
Jones signs his players, constrained by ledman groups spending limitations, locking his boys into 2 year contracts
Team plays the typical early season average form, sitting about 4th or 5th on the ladder, Jones to brag about how good he is and how no one backed him, club crashes and burns as usual from around round 9
Crowds start dwindling even further than this year
Club to stand by Jones until it's too late to salvage the season, Jones goes with his assistants to take over for remainder of season
World wide search for replacement begins, cheapest mate of lawries is hired, probably Hutcho
New season, old playerss not wanted by new coach, no cap space, no marques, no hope, New coach blames not his squad, club tells us they are building for the future and will look to recruit in January
(Return to top of post - replace Jones with new coach)

[Bon]

Jones to be retained no matter the outcome of this year, club to roll out the usual not his squad, wait till next year, his squad, building blah blah blah.
Jones signs his players, constrained by ledman groups spending limitations, locking his boys into 2 year contracts
Team plays the typical early season average form, sitting about 4th or 5th on the ladder, Jones to brag about how good he is and how no one backed him, club crashes and burns as usual from around round 9
Crowds start dwindling even further than this year
Club to stand by Jones until it's too late to salvage the season, Jones goes with his assistants to take over for remainder of season
World wide search for replacement begins, cheapest mate of lawries is hired, probably Hutcho
New season, old playerss not wanted by new coach, no cap space, no marques, no hope, New coach blames not his squad, club tells us they are building for the future and will look to recruit in January
(Return to top of post - replace Jones with new coach)

Its like looking into a crystal ball... Eerie..

[MonkeyKplunk]

I think we will stick with Jones. Lee and McKinna aren't idiots, they hear what we say and they will well know they need to escape the coaching loop we're in.

It still irks me that we constantly blame the manager for on field decision making faults that should lie squarely on the shoulders of the player.
Take Hoole for example, whilst he has a certain amount of skill and talent, he's been a professional player long enough now to know that he gets paid to improve himself, his side, and his club. Regardless of what knowledge Jones imparts to him throughout his training, his decision making on field leaves a lot to be desired.
He pushed himself and his game as an amateur and a semi-professional to get to where he is today, spent years under GVE and Stubbins, and then a year with a coach of the standard of Arnold. By now, he needs to take responsibility and improve or move on.

The issue of Jones constantly putting his support behind him despite performances that he would have benched others for is another entirely.

[Grimario]

I think we will stick with Jones. Lee and McKinna aren't idiots, they hear what we say and they will well know they need to escape the coaching loop we're in.

It still irks me that we constantly blame the manager for on field decision making faults that should lie squarely on the shoulders of the player.
Take Hoole for example, whilst he has a certain amount of skill and talent, he's been a professional player long enough now to know that he gets paid to improve himself, his side, and his club. Regardless of what knowledge Jones imparts to him throughout his training, his decision making on field leaves a lot to be desired.
He pushed himself and his game as an amateur and a semi-professional to get to where he is today, spent years under GVE and Stubbins, and then a year with a coach of the standard of Arnold. By now, he needs to take responsibility and improve or move on.

The issue of Jones constantly putting his support behind him despite performances that he would have benched others for is another entirely.

But isn't it the coaches job to make sure a player is coached on those mistakes, those lacks of effort, the lack of improvement? It kind of ties into your last point... Hoole has good to great games and then goes missing. There seems to be no accountability on his shoulders for when that happens.

Jones other biggest failure is substitutions... both using them and selecting them.


PS Go join in with Bon and I down in Off the Ball talking music. Bring NiMMERS, if he still exists. We're recently talking new Mastodon, 28 days away.

[The Dunster]

It's obvious from all the posts here that Jones should be sacked an all coaching decisions should be made through this forum via polls with a slobs option.

[Jetmaster]

It's obvious from all the posts here that Jones should be sacked an all coaching decisions should be made through this forum via polls with a slobs option.

On to something - stuff the Knights model.

Let's have the first "community coached" club in the world. Team selections, subs and tactics for the week all decided by foz members.

[The Camel]

On to something - stuff the Knights model.

Let's have the first "community coached" club in the world. Team selections, subs and tactics for the week all decided by foz members.

Google Ebbsfleet United

[380]

Jones needs to stop living in the past and stop making references to almost 10yrs ago. On top of that he was the assistant coach back then, He answered to Couscous. There is a plug for ya Gaz.

I wish the bloke well but FFS these continued references to days gone by like it was all him are seriously tiresome. So not quite Jones out yet but if the bloke don't get with the right bloody here and now it soon will be. As Jones would say 100% yeh yeh.

[hawk]

Jones needs to stop living in the past and stop making references to almost 10yrs ago. On top of that he was the assistant coach back then, He answered to Couscous. There is a plug for ya Gaz.

I wish the bloke well but FFS these continued references to days gone by like it was all him are seriously tiresome. So not quite Jones out yet but if the bloke don't get with the right bloody here and now it soon will be. As Jones would say 100% yeh yeh.

rofl, fk yeah

[halo se7en]

For anyone suggesting Jones will do better with this own squad, what makes you think he has the ability to build a better squad?

So far Koutroumbis was a low-risk gamble that has paid off reasonably well, as was Arcaba in the very limited time we've seen him. Otherwise he's signed Sawyer, tried to sign Mark Bridge, seemed to throw everything at Petratos to the point where we're stuck with his brother, and plans to re-sign Mullen.

Does anyone honestly expect him to put together a side any better than what we've had the last 6-7 years? And his squad needs to be ****ing top notch because he sure isn't going to get an average side to punch above their weight.

[MFKS]

For anyone suggesting Jones will do better with this own squad, what makes you think he has the ability to build a better squad?

So far Koutroumbis was a low-risk gamble that has paid off reasonably well, as was Arcaba in the very limited time we've seen him. Otherwise he's signed Sawyer, tried to sign Mark Bridge, seemed to throw everything at Petratos to the point where we're stuck with his brother, and plans to re-sign Mullen.

Does anyone honestly expect him to put together a side any better than what we've had the last 6-7 years? And his squad needs to be ****ing top notch because he sure isn't going to get an average side to punch above their weight.

Point remains this is Miller's squad

So he has just been playing the cards he has been dealt

Next season he at least will have the opportunity to start to assemble a squad and build his team

Until then I am prepared to relax and stay calm


Maybe you should too

[RAM]

Point remains this is Miller's squad

So he has just been playing the cards he has been dealt

Next season he at least will have the opportunity to start to assemble a squad and build his team

Until then I am prepared to relax and stay calm


Maybe you should too

You want another rebuilding year.

Get ****ed.

[Jeterpool]

You want another rebuilding year.

Get ****ed.

Which we'd get regardless whether we stay with Jones or bring in another coach.

I'd argue this is Jones' rebuilding year (playing devil's advocate).

The management team have a big decision:

a) Stick with Jones and back him in the market to achieve the goal of ACL in 3 years.
b) stick with Jones but don't back him in the market because we really aren't sure we want him to spend the money (which says to me we need a change)
c) Make a change and allow a new coach (6th in 4 years) to assemble his squad with effectively 10 places to fill. Needs to be immediate move to allow greatest time to recruit
d) Make a change after Jones has recruited the majority of players he wants next season.

[halo se7en]

Point remains this is Miller's squad

So he has just been playing the cards he has been dealt

Next season he at least will have the opportunity to start to assemble a squad and build his team

Until then I am prepared to relax and stay calm


Maybe you should too

Thanks for not answering the question, I didn't think you would.

[halo se7en]

We seem to be stuck on this idea that a new coach will be unable to work with what he has and that every single player must be hand-picked by said coach otherwise he is effectively useless. Talk about a lack of flexibility.

[MFKS]

You want another rebuilding year.

Get ****ed.

We got another year and a bit of rebuilding the second Millertime decided to have his little power game and lost with the Chinese overlord

It was him who was counselled to pull his head in but he stuck to his guns and got the arse as a consequence

Nothing to do with Jones that at all

[MFKS]

We seem to be stuck on this idea that a new coach will be unable to work with what he has and that every single player must be hand-picked by said coach otherwise he is effectively useless. Talk about a lack of flexibility.

No our players are not good enough

That why we not getting better results.

Jones hasn't been moaning about this like GVE Muppett Millertime etc

He had just got on with the job

I liking what he has done with Miller's left overs and want to see what he can do when he gets a few signings of his own

[StannyCFCJET]

No our players are not good enough

That why we not getting better results.

Jones hasn't been moaning about this like GVE Muppett Millertime etc

He had just got on with the job

I liking what he has done with Miller's left overs and want to see what he can do when he gets a few signings of his own

A good coach should be able to get good performances out of average squads. Look at Leicester many squads with more money and quality but their Manager found a way to get the best out of his players and make them perform every week and as a result they over achieved and won the league. Yes he got sacked next season but thats cause the players downed tools. Hell we won the league with Jardel Denni Scott Tunbridge Troy Hearfield and Steven Laybutt. Im not having the not his squad rubbish anymore.

Jones has shown he cant get consistent performances out of this squad and his tactical decisions (losing game no changes till 75-80+ mins) and squad selections (mullen Rb no strikers on bench) are abysmal not to mention the way he has treated certain players. Not picking Haliti and Kokko for apparently not being good enough yet Hoole and Mullen play almost everyweek. Playing Nobby as a Lone striker when everyone can see he isnt that kind of player. Wake up Member were not going to make the Finals again and while the players need to take massive responsibly, Jones hasnt done enough to suggest he can take them to A-league finals level. RANT OVER

[StannyCFCJET]

Which we'd get regardless whether we stay with Jones or bring in another coach.

I'd argue this is Jones' rebuilding year (playing devil's advocate).

The management team have a big decision:

a) Stick with Jones and back him in the market to achieve the goal of ACL in 3 years.
b) stick with Jones but don't back him in the market because we really aren't sure we want him to spend the money (which says to me we need a change)
c) Make a change and allow a new coach (6th in 4 years) to assemble his squad with effectively 10 places to fill. Needs to be immediate move to allow greatest time to recruit
d) Make a change after Jones has recruited the majority of players he wants next season.

We all know option D will happen.

[Grimario]

We all know option D will happen.

Jets love the D. No wonder we always finish outside the 6 and love to park the bus.

[halo se7en]

It would have been nice for him to at least match Miller's points total from last season, or even just beat the scum once. I have little faith he'll even do that and only Adelaide's collapse will save us from the spoon. In saying that, Adelaide have a nice run home so who knows, maybe we will end up with silverware after all.

[Wilso8948]

Wouldn't mind us doing a Perth Glory and sticking it out and giving Jones the resources. Kenny Lowe was absolute horseshit in his first year. Everyone was amazed when he wasn't given the ass. He then was given the freedom to spend what he can and recruited extremely well. You can't honestly say that Lowe is some master tactician. He's got a no bullshit approach to the game in which his teams attempt to score more goals then they let in.. I see similarities in Jones's approach. Give him the freedom to spend what he can with a plan to build some serious depth. Perth are in no ways worldbeaters but they are a genuine top 4 threat every year now. I'd be very happy if this was the case with the Jets.

[Jeterpool]

Wouldn't mind us doing a Perth Glory and sticking it out and giving Jones the resources. Kenny Lowe was absolute horseshit in his first year. Everyone was amazed when he wasn't given the ass. He then was given the freedom to spend what he can and recruited extremely well. You can't honestly say that Lowe is some master tactician. He's got a no bullshit approach to the game in which his teams attempt to score more goals then they let in.. I see similarities in Jones's approach. Give him the freedom to spend what he can with a plan to build some serious depth. Perth are in no ways worldbeaters but they are a genuine top 4 threat every year now. I'd be very happy if this was the case with the Jets.

Stability is what we have been craving for some years. You bring up a good example.

[Jeterpool]

It would have been nice for him to at least match Miller's points total from last season, or even just beat the scum once. I have little faith he'll even do that and only Adelaide's collapse will save us from the spoon. In saying that, Adelaide have a nice run home so who knows, maybe we will end up with silverware after all.

You know, I've had the same fear/thought that our slide has been that bad we could end up with the spoon. I don't think it will, but still. You look at our team and think "is our team a wooden spoon side" and on paper I don't think so - but if we end up there we will have nobody to blame but ourselves. We don't have injuries to blame our recent poor run on this time and funnily enough no attention is being paid to the fat we've earned 2 points from the last 15.

Jones still has a chance to beat the Mariners, down there of all places. And if the NiX under 18's game goes ahead you would honestly expect we would win that.

Miller achieved 30 points, which is by no means an insurmuntable total. I expect our team to win our last home game against the Wanderers - a team we've never beaten at our home ground.

[StannyCFCJET]

You know, I've had the same fear/thought that our slide has been that bad we could end up with the spoon. I don't think it will, but still. You look at our team and think "is our team a wooden spoon side" and on paper I don't think so - but if we end up there we will have nobody to blame but ourselves. We don't have injuries to blame our recent poor run on this time and funnily enough no attention is being paid to the fat we've earned 2 points from the last 15.

Jones still has a chance to beat the Mariners, down there of all places. And if the NiX under 18's game goes ahead you would honestly expect we would win that.

Miller achieved 30 points, which is by no means an insurmuntable total. I expect our team to win our last home game against the Wanderers - a team we've never beaten at our home ground.

We wont beat the Wanderers cause we expect we should. We only win when the other team is raging favourites

[The Dunster]

You know, I've had the same fear/thought that our slide has been that bad we could end up with the spoon. I don't think it will, but still. You look at our team and think "is our team a wooden spoon side" and on paper I don't think so - but if we end up there we will have nobody to blame but ourselves. We don't have injuries to blame our recent poor run on this time and funnily enough no attention is being paid to the fat we've earned 2 points from the last 15.

Jones still has a chance to beat the Mariners, down there of all places. And if the NiX under 18's game goes ahead you would honestly expect we would win that.

Miller achieved 30 points, which is by no means an insurmuntable total. I expect our team to win our last home game against the Wanderers - a team we've never beaten at our home ground.

Miller achieved 30 points playing a brand of football that convinced me not renew my Jets membership. Up until recently, Jones had the team at least playing a watchable brand of football. As soon as he started talking about tightening it up / clean sheets the teams started looking more and more like the dross served up under Miller every day.

It's entertainment for me not so much about winning. These day's the foz's reaction to the games is more entertaining.

[monz6]

A good coach should be able to get good performances out of average squads. Look at Leicester many squads with more money and quality but their Manager found a way to get the best out of his players and make them perform every week and as a result they over achieved and won the league. Yes he got sacked next season but thats cause the players downed tools. Hell we won the league with Jardel Denni Scott Tunbridge Troy Hearfield and Steven Laybutt. Im not having the not his squad rubbish anymore.

Jones has shown he cant get consistent performances out of this squad and his tactical decisions (losing game no changes till 75-80+ mins) and squad selections (mullen Rb no strikers on bench) are abysmal not to mention the way he has treated certain players. Not picking Haliti and Kokko for apparently not being good enough yet Hoole and Mullen play almost everyweek. Playing Nobby as a Lone striker when everyone can see he isnt that kind of player. Wake up Member were not going to make the Finals again and while the players need to take massive responsibly, Jones hasnt done enough to suggest he can take them to A-league finals level. RANT OVER

That reference to Leicester in regards to what you are trying to say makes no sense. Saying the players "downed tools" means that ranieri could not get the best out of them (which you alluded to him being able to) and in fact that it was players that got the job done before they downed tools.
What if our players have "downed tools" this year but will pick them up next. The inverse of ranieri.
Also what do you have against Hoole he has certainly not been our second worst player.

[halo se7en]

Did someone mention the same Kenny Lowe that has on paper one of the most fearsome strikeforces in the league including a Johnny Warren medalist, a former Golden Boot winner, plus Andy Keogh who's scored 31 in 61, and yet still can't get them very far. FMD.

Dunster - Miller had a simple job after the Stubbins horror show for the first season without an owner. Make the team competitive again and stop embrasssing the city. He did that. The players that you are finding entertaining to watch are players he signed. None of us know what he would have done with this team. What we do know is that Jones has so far done nothing special, or even close to it. Lets see if he can even make 30 points first.

[halo se7en]

And some of you are acting like Miller signed all 25 players that he had in his first season.

[Wilso8948]

Did someone mention the same Kenny Lowe that has on paper one of the most fearsome strikeforces in the league including a Johnny Warren medalist, a former Golden Boot winner, plus Andy Keogh who's scored 31 in 61, and yet still can't get them very far. FMD.

Yeh that was me bru.

And yep still back that claim. Was making comparisons between Lowe and Jones and our clubs as well. I'd like to see us stick with Jones like Glory did with Lowe. I stated he's not an amazing coach but got together a very decent playing group with good resources, support and recruitment techniques. He has an extremely well stocked attacking group but you'd have to say still needs work at the back. He has them competitive week in week out and scoring loads of goals. They are in a battle for third. I'd love for the Jets to get to this point.

But you must be in the same crew that thinks Miller would have won the league on a shoestring budget with players out of Iceland because he's a mastercoach.

In the end when are people going to realise that an excellent playing group supported by a no nonsense coach with a basic approach and large resources will go much further then a shit squad with a "decent" coach who knows how to talk the talk

[halo se7en]

Yeh that was me bru.

And yep still back that claim. Was making comparisons between Lowe and Jones and our clubs as well. I'd like to see us stick with Jones like Glory did with Lowe. I stated he's not an amazing coach but got together a very decent playing group with good resources, support and recruitment techniques. He has an extremely well stocked attacking group but you'd have to say still needs work at the back. He has them competitive week in week out and scoring loads of goals. They are in a battle for third. I'd love for the Jets to get to this point.

But you must be in the same crew that thinks Miller would have won the league on a shoestring budget with players out of Iceland because he's a mastercoach.

In the end when are people going to realise that an excellent playing group supported by a no nonsense coach with a basic approach and large resources will go much further then a shit squad with a "decent" coach who knows how to talk the talk

I made no mention of Miller when I asked a legitimate question about whether Jones had it in him to build a good enough squad. No-one seems to be able to answer that question other than say 'he's not Miller' or 'give him time'. Do we know Lowe was behind Perth's recruitment? Salary cap breaches aside, its something they always seem to have been good at, and yet always underperform.

At no point have I ever said Miller would win the league, I've only ever said he dragged us out of the gutter and I wanted to see if he could build on last season. Obviously that chance has gone. I still want to see whether Jones has the ability to sign quality players, let alone steer them to top 6. Hey, even beating the Mariners once would be something.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Miller achieved 30 points playing a brand of football that convinced me not renew my Jets membership. Up until recently, Jones had the team at least playing a watchable brand of football. As soon as he started talking about tightening it up / clean sheets the teams started looking more and more like the dross served up under Miller every day.

It's entertainment for me not so much about winning. These day's the foz's reaction to the games is more entertaining.

How did that work for the Mariners? Their last manager said he wanted to play "entertaining" football, they got the spoon and ended up struggling to sign ANYONE to the club.

Jones is shit, he's done mediocre with probably the best squad we've had in 6 years. If we finish below the scum (likely), he has to go.

[The Dunster]

How did that work for the Mariners? Their last manager said he wanted to play "entertaining" football, they got the spoon and ended up struggling to sign ANYONE to the club.

Jones is shit, he's done mediocre with probably the best squad we've had in 6 years. If we finish below the scum (likely), he has to go.

The Mariners problems are money related much like the Jets. Players are better compensated at bigger clubs and as such that's where players want to go.
With respect to entertaining football the Mariners crowds have been shit for a very long time - even when they were successful on the pitch with Arnold at the helm. Hard to gauge the effects though given the propensity for Mariners crowd numbers to be inflated in an effort to convince sponsors the club actually had a genuine following. I can recall crowd claims of 12,000 or more when BTS was pretty much empty.

As for Jones, I don't think he will be in the job beyond next season - and may be punted before that if the team doesn't show some improvement.
But to suggest this club is even capable of being a finals team on their current budget with the current squad is asking a lot. We don't have a top quality player in our squad, and we certainly don't have anyone remotely close to top quality and consistent - even in A-League terms. The clubs above us, and some below do have high quality players, some of whom are consistent as well.
I mean who in the Jets would regularly start for any of the top 6 teams ? I cannot think of anyone.

[MFKS]

How did that work for the Mariners? Their last manager said he wanted to play "entertaining" football, they got the spoon and ended up struggling to sign ANYONE to the club.

Jones is shit, he's done mediocre with probably the best squad we've had in 6 years. If we finish below the scum (likely), he has to go.

Absolutely bull shit this is the best playing group we have had in 6 years

The season Taggart was on fire we had a better squad
The season Muppet ruined us we had a better squad
**** the season Heskey arrived we had a better squad

**** last year we had Leaky G Devonhead Birraz Leonardo and Milos who would all walk into the current starting 11

So to say Jones has had a great squad is a complete lie.
It probably the weakest in star power out of the last 6 years

[MFKS]

And some of you are acting like Miller signed all 25 players that he had in his first season.

Yep no one disputing that but this is a fact

Jones inherited this squad and other than signing some NPL project players to try and fill holes he has had **** all support from the club so far in regards to transfer policy

As the season comes to a close and the offseason arrives and new signings are announced which they will be then we will actually see him in action in the Transfer market

Until then you are using hypothetical speculation to stir shit as you have an agenda against Jones.

[hawk]

Until then you are using hypothetical speculation to stir shit as you have an agenda against Jones.

Nearly everything on here is speculation and opinion and open to interpretation. Your theory is only guess work as well. But thats what makes the foz great. opinions, theories and arguments that are all trying to the jets out of the shizer.

[Thomas477]

Biggest issue I have with Jones is his ability to recruit quality talent.

In December - we need to sign a few quality players, the budget is there, yadda yadda

Mid-January - Weak Ankles is suddenly our one hope and saviour

End-January - *crickets*

[Jeterpool]

Biggest issue I have with Jones is his ability to recruit quality talent.

In December - we need to sign a few quality players, the budget is there, yadda yadda

Mid-January - Weak Ankles is suddenly our one hope and saviour

End-January - *crickets*

I don't think Jones is doing the negotiations to be fair. He will draw up a Istanbul of players. It's up to the back room staff to deliver

[halo se7en]

Yep no one disputing that but this is a fact

Jones inherited this squad and other than signing some NPL project players to try and fill holes he has had **** all support from the club so far in regards to transfer policy

As the season comes to a close and the offseason arrives and new signings are announced which they will be then we will actually see him in action in the Transfer market

Until then you are using hypothetical speculation to stir shit as you have an agenda against Jones.

I have nothing against him. I just want a coach who knows what he's doing. It's not rocket science.

And **** all support from the club? What are you basing that on? Speculation? At least Jones has an owner with funds.

[MFKS]

Nearly everything on here is speculation and opinion and open to interpretation. Your theory is only guess work as well. But thats what makes the foz great. opinions, theories and arguments that are all trying to the jets out of the shizer.


No that where you wrong.

Everything i write on here is actually correct

The rest of youse are just plain in the wrong

5
5
5

[MFKS]

I have nothing against him. I just want a coach who knows what he's doing. It's not rocket science.

And **** all support from the club? What are you basing that on? Speculation? At least Jones has an owner with funds.
Bringing im a couple of NPL players mid season isnt exactly what i would call support from the clubin the transfer market

But that obviously impressed you so ....

[MFKS]

Biggest issue I have with Jones is his ability to recruit quality talent.

In December - we need to sign a few quality players, the budget is there, yadda yadda

Mid-January - Weak Ankles is suddenly our one hope and saviour

End-January - *crickets*
Z
See this is where you are naive

Clubs when they are after players deal with agents.

Jones doesnt need to know every player personally

Agents drop players in clubs laps


How you think Raheem Sterlings agent planning on getting him a gig in Europe??
Dropping him in everyones lap and see if they get a bite


Jones will have enough quality players offered to him

It up to his ability as a judge of talent personality etc whether he chooses wisely

[plague]

Nearly everything on here is speculation and opinion and open to interpretation. Your theory is only guess work as well. But thats what makes the foz great. opinions, theories and arguments that are all trying to the jets out of the shizer.

and the tennis thread.

[parksey]

Yo our squad is pretty decent guys.

[Wilso8948]

Yo our squad is pretty decent guys.
Bout the seventh best in the league

[turbojetfireV8]

I worry some people here have rose coloured glasses about some of the teams just above us, I would say only the top three teams have superior quality, the other four may have a few stars that can make a difference but on balance are not better squads than us, only difference is they are playing more coherently more often even their donkey players, and that probably has more to do with what their coaching staffs are achieving with them and the belief they have instilled in them, something that our coaches seem unable to fulfil.

My greatest fear is we still won't draw higher calibre uncontracted players in the vein of Castro until they can see we're a team worth joining, and that is influenced by how we play and what direction the coaches are leading us. The Petratos situation was a farce, we get stuck with the Brodie Mooy version instead of the Aaron one we wanted, we're going backwards instead of forwards again, I fear the offseason will be worse than the transfer window as far as the Adelaide juniors and all-age players we're gonna herald as our big signings, and I don't see it changing till we get a Gombau in charge who knows what they are doing...

[halo se7en]

I worry some people here have rose coloured glasses about some of the teams just above us, I would say only the top three teams have superior quality, the other four may have a few stars that can make a difference but on balance are not better squads than us, only difference is they are playing more coherently more often even their donkey players, and that probably has more to do with what their coaching staffs are achieving with them and the belief they have instilled in them, something that our coaches seem unable to fulfil.

My greatest fear is we still won't draw higher calibre uncontracted players in the vein of Castro until they can see we're a team worth joining, and that is influenced by how we play and what direction the coaches are leading us. The Petratos situation was a farce, we get stuck with the Brodie Mooy version instead of the Aaron one we wanted, we're going backwards instead of forwards again, I fear the offseason will be worse than the transfer window as far as the Adelaide juniors and all-age players we're gonna herald as our big signings, and I don't see it changing till we get a Gombau in charge who knows what they are doing...

It's all good. Apparently great players are going to just fall in Jones' lap in the off-season, begging to be signed.

[Grimario]

Agents drop players in our lap... and Jones is such an astute judge of talent that he went all in to sign Petratos, getting us stuck with the other Petratos while Dimi backs out of the deal.

[Wilso8948]

I worry some people here have rose coloured glasses about some of the teams just above us, I would say only the top three teams have superior quality, the other four may have a few stars that can make a difference but on balance are not better squads than us, only difference is they are playing more coherently more often even their donkey players, and that probably has more to do with what their coaching staffs are achieving with them and the belief they have instilled in them, something that our coaches seem unable to fulfil.

My greatest fear is we still won't draw higher calibre uncontracted players in the vein of Castro until they can see we're a team worth joining, and that is influenced by how we play and what direction the coaches are leading us. The Petratos situation was a farce, we get stuck with the Brodie Mooy version instead of the Aaron one we wanted, we're going backwards instead of forwards again, I fear the offseason will be worse than the transfer window as far as the Adelaide juniors and all-age players we're gonna herald as our big signings, and I don't see it changing till we get a Gombau in charge who knows what they are doing...
I'm not saying they are light years above us. But they certainly have a stronger squad in terms of depth along with the few stars you've mentioned. Until we decide to allocate serious funds to develop to this level we will forever keep fighting it out where we are.
Victory and Sydney are lightyears above us in terms of depth, consistency, star power and standards.
City far outweigh us in both depth and starpower.
I used Perth as an example as they have a relatively strong starting lineup but you look towards the guys not making the team each week or coming off the bench. Oxborrow, Marinkovic, Garcia Grant. Couple that with star power of Castro, Taggart and Keogh. Over the course of a season that will always win out. They are a bit light at the back and it shows.
Wanderers are a similar eg. Struggling obviously to find the net but you have a midfield of Dimas, Nichols, Martinez, Baccus, Pinatares, Melling. Far more depth in quality then us.
In the end I seriously believe the table is a pretty accurate reflection on the strength of each squad. I'm slightly surprised by Brisbane being so high but I still believe they have a stronger squad overall then us.

[Wilso8948]

Agents drop players in our lap... and Jones is such an astute judge of talent that he went all in to sign Petratos, getting us stuck with the other Petratos while Dimi backs out of the deal.

We got $350k for a player who never even pulled the on the jersey. Move along.

[Jeterpool]

We got $350k for a player who never even pulled the on the jersey.

With 8 months to secure another player in his place

[Wilso8948]

With 8 months to secure another player in his place

Correct. Its not like he was committed for months and months and we developed our whole squad to suit. He didn't dump us in it last minute. Would be nice to see the hourly rate we actually gained for that investment.

[plague]

We got $350k for a player who never even pulled the on the jersey.

has that figure ever been verified?

[Jeterpool]

has that figure ever been verified?

I thought $150,000 was quoted from media sources.

[parksey]

cya champ

[Rocknerd]

Nah totally Zones fault right! Jones was busy serving a suspension, thinking he's playin' with the bog boys.

Totally justifying cancelling my membership every week.

[Retro Jet]

I thought $150,000 was quoted from media sources.

I 'heard' the same. :thumbsup:

[furns]

We got $350k for a player who never even pulled the on the jersey. Move along.


I thought $150,000 was quoted from media sources.
Total transfer fee of $350k
our share is $150k according to sources
Get it right lads

[Jeterpool]

At what point is pressure going to be applied to Jones in the media? He can't continue to deflect blame to other reasons forever

[MFKS]

At what point is pressure going to be applied to Jones in the media? He can't continue to deflect blame to other reasons forever

Slow down

He inherited this rabble of shite a couple of weeks before the season started.

We were ****ed the moment Miler pushed The Chinese Lightsalesman too far and got the arse.

Jntil Jones has had a pre season to train the side appropriately and bring in appropriate level players then your just pissing into the wind saying he cant cut it at this level

So far he has had no backing from above.Be has just been handed the reigns to this runaway wagon and to exoect him to perform miracles with this shower of shite players is asking too much of anyone.


The issue is up to the Chinese Light Salesman to back our manager appropriately with adequate resources in staffing and players regardless of who is manager

It up to him to show some ****ing leadership

[StannyCFCJET]

Slow down

He inherited this rabble of shite a couple of weeks before the season started.

We were ****ed the moment Miler pushed The Chinese Lightsalesman too far and got the arse.

Jntil Jones has had a pre season to train the side appropriately and bring in appropriate level players then your just pissing into the wind saying he cant cut it at this level

So far he has had no backing from above.Be has just been handed the reigns to this runaway wagon and to exoect him to perform miracles with this shower of shite players is asking too much of anyone.


The issue is up to the Chinese Light Salesman to back our manager appropriately with adequate resources in staffing and players regardless of who is manager

It up to him to show some ****ing leadership

Please tell us what tactical nous, Leadership and motivational skills Jones has shown this year???? We had a fit LB and he plays a DM at LB. Strikers who arnt suited to 1 up front but he persists with that system. Other players playing gobshite yet always get picked and other players getting 10 mins or less off the bench every few weeks to impress. Not to mention his usless subs where he subs just for the sake of subs or waits till the last few minutes when were losing to change anything. None of what i have stated is down to lack of pre season or funds, Its down to Jones being soo far out of his depth and were all suffering because if it

[The Dunster]

Please tell us what tactical nous, Leadership and motivational skills Jones has shown this year???? We had a fit LB and he plays a DM at LB. Strikers who arnt suited to 1 up front but he persists with that system. Other players playing gobshite yet always get picked and other players getting 10 mins or less off the bench every few weeks to impress. Not to mention his usless subs where he subs just for the sake of subs or waits till the last few minutes when were losing to change anything. None of what i have stated is down to lack of pre season or funds, Its down to Jones being soo far out of his depth and were all suffering because if it

Any coach / manager would be out of their depth with that squad. Our two leading scorers were rejects from other clubs ffs.
We buy the players nobody else wants and we pay them a lot more than they are worth.
The problems at the Jets are a lot greater than Jones - in fact he wasn't on the sidelines last night and the club took their biggest loss of the season.

If the Jets had won last night you would have been praising Zane as being a better coach than Jones.
But because the Jets Lost you are silent on Zane's effort.

It's not the coach/manager - it's the entire package that is retarded from the fans to the owner - the club is shit.

[StannyCFCJET]

Any coach / manager would be out of their depth with that squad. Our two leading scorers were rejects from other clubs ffs.
We buy the players nobody else wants and we pay them a lot more than they are worth.
The problems at the Jets are a lot greater than Jones - in fact he wasn't on the sidelines last night and the club took their biggest loss of the season.

If the Jets had won last night you would have been praising Zane as being a better coach than Jones.
But because the Jets Lost you are silent on Zane's effort.

It's not the coach/manager - it's the entire package that is retarded from the fans to the owner - the club is shit.

Zane did well last time he was head coach. Zane would be using Jones tactics and subs choices as he is the assistant

[MFKS]

Zane did well last time he was head coach. Zane would be using Jones tactics and subs choices as he is the assistant

Last time Zane coached us he had Griff Carney Birraz Jaliens Heskey Taggart Goodwin Beard Zads etc

A slightly better personsel than the shit we have rigt now.

Go watch Zane coach the Yood to see he still has a lot to learn

[MFKS]

Please tell us what tactical nous, Leadership and motivational skills Jones has shown this year???? We had a fit LB and he plays a DM at LB. Strikers who arnt suited to 1 up front but he persists with that system. Other players playing gobshite yet always get picked and other players getting 10 mins or less off the bench every few weeks to impress. Not to mention his usless subs where he subs just for the sake of subs or waits till the last few minutes when were losing to change anything. None of what i have stated is down to lack of pre season or funds, Its down to Jones being soo far out of his depth and were all suffering because if it

I agree we need to sugn specialist full backs

Problem is Jones hasnt ****ing got any as the ****wit before him didnt sign any but signed 15 DMs for his park the bus plan

As for his use of subs.

This isnt FM
The players that start should be expected to play 90 mins so there is no need to make a sub for the sake of it.

Secondly the players we have on the bench aint any ****ing better than the players on the park.

We have at the end of the day a very shit squad

A shit squad who last night ****ed up every chance they had as they are incompetent and constantly passed it needlessly to opponents as they just not good enough

It time for some **** to set some standards at the club and stop accepting mediocrity

I actually pleased this happened as it is putting The Chinese Light Salesman in the spotlight.

To get this club up to spec. He needs to open the ****ing wallet and stop being a tight ****

[parksey]

Banging on about how "bad" the squad is are half the problem with this club. Imagine trying to get motivated when you know all the supporters think you're not good enough.

The squad is fine, there's some real talent in there. Easily good enough to finish 6th.

They've let themselves down mentally and haven't been helped by a coach who has made some pretty dubious tactical choices throughout the season.

[MFKS]

Banging on about how "bad" the squad is are half the problem with this club. Imagine trying to get motivated when you know all the supporters think you're not good enough.

The squad is fine, there's some real talent in there. Easily good enough to finish 6th.

They've let themselves down mentally and haven't been helped by a coach who has made some pretty dubious tactical choices throughout the season.

Thats absolute Bullshit.

There is no way our squad is good enough

They are either other clubs rejects or not even good enough to get a run at other HAL clubs.

If they cant handle their fans dissing them then maybe they need to actually deliver on the park for a change

Hang on.

The reason they dont deliver is they just arent good enough.

It aint the expectation from the fans weighing them down and causing them to fail

They just aint ****ing good enough


Gee you must havesome pretty low expectations if you thibk your watching elite players when the Jets are passing the ball needlessly to the opposition and miscontrolling balks as Kokko Nordstrand and Booggaard did last night

[parksey]

Thats absolute Bullshit.

There is no way our squad is good enough

They are either other clubs rejects or not even good enough to get a run at other HAL clubs.

If they cant handle their fans dissing them then maybe they need to actually deliver on the park for a change

Hang on.

The reason they dont deliver is they just arent good enough.

It aint the expectation from the fans weighing them down and causing them to fail

They just aint ****ing good enough


Gee you must havesome pretty low expectations if you thibk your watching elite players when the Jets are passing the ball needlessly to the opposition and miscontrolling balks as Kokko Nordstrand and Booggaard did last night

didn't watch last night's game but i've watched a lot of football this season and if you're telling me that you don't think our side is at least on par with Wellington, WSW, CCM or Adelaide then your judgement is clouded.

at our best this season we've gone toe-to-toe with Brisbane, Victory and City and we should have wrapped a finals spot by now.

[StannyCFCJET]

didn't watch last night's game but i've watched a lot of football this season and if you're telling me that you don't think our side is at least on par with Wellington, WSW, CCM or Adelaide then your judgement is clouded.

at our best this season we've gone toe-to-toe with Brisbane, Victory and City and we should have wrapped a finals spot by now.

This only happens when they players are up for the fight and prepared to give everything which hardly happens at the moment :(

[hawk]

didn't watch last night's game but i've watched a lot of football this season and if you're telling me that you don't think our side is at least on par with Wellington, WSW, CCM or Adelaide then your judgement is clouded.

You're joking right? Our squad is not as good as most of those.

Yes we can lift to scrape some wins but all lower teams can at times.

And supporters criticising players is ok but not ideal if it is warranted. Why on earth would you compliment a player if they are actually not playing well.

[The Dunster]

Ask any other A-league team owner or manager which Jets players they would want at their current salary and they would piss themselves laughing.

I don't believe we have a single player who should be paid more than $250k per season.
I don't think Nabbout, Hoole, Morten, Brown, Kokko, Ugar, Hoff, and so on are worth $150k tops - any more is ridiculous.
Kanta, Clut, Lei, Mullen, Johny K, and the rest should not be paid even $100k.

If they want more money - let them go.

[MFKS]

didn't watch last night's game but i've watched a lot of football this season and if you're telling me that you don't think our side is at least on par with Wellington, WSW, CCM or Adelaide then your judgement is clouded.

at our best this season we've gone toe-to-toe with Brisbane, Victory and City and we should have wrapped a finals spot by now.

Yeah we can beat any side on our day.

But so can any side in the HAL

Just as any shit EPL team like Hull WBA Sunderland etc can on their day get a result against the Chelseas Citys etc

Problem is we have has 5 days in 23 games.

It just not enough.

Reality is our blokes best isn t regular enough and it aint good enough

We could only beat Afelaide once in 3 games
Havent beat the Gypos
Havent beat the Nix
Havent beat WSW

And your telling me we have a talented side on par or better than these clubs??


If we were goid enough we would be beating them

The league table isnt lieing

We just are not good enough abd the players have shown absolutely **** all desperation to change this.


2 Cleansheets in 23

Giving away what is it 9 ****ing penalties??

That just piss weak

[halo se7en]

So people were praising Jones 2-3 months ago when we were looking decent, but now he's completely free of blame despite him setting out the team, the tactics, the subs, the motivation (or lack thereof).

He's not getting a Melbourne City squad next season with players the ilk of Fornaroli and co. If he can't work with our team to at least match last years points total, let alone aim for 6th, this isn't the job for him. As with the EPL, Sunderland in their current financial state will *never* sign players to match the big guys, which means they need a manager that can get the absolute best out of an average bunch. That's where we're at. Blame Lee all you like but if City offer you 200k and the Jets offer you 200k, where are you going to play? Of course we have to pay overs, we're a regional team.

Jones out.

[Frodo]

Our squad this year is as shit as it's been for the last 6 or so seasons. Our coaching is just as shit.

It's almost as if our club is run by imbeciles??

Jones might be a shit coach but changing won't help.

Let's just get ready to sign 2 new Visa players who will take a while to fit in with the squad, will under perform and will be replaced at seasons end. Any of our Aussie players in good form will leave and be replaced by rejects, (luckily only 1 of our players has had a decent season, then turned to shite before anyone could sign him)

We will have decent pre-season and then injuries will rob us off 6th place....and so the cycle of rubbish shall continue.

Anyone from Adelaide know who we will be signing in the off season from the 3rd division there??

[Frodo]

Yeah we can beat any side on our day.

But so can any side in the HAL

That shows that we don't have as bad a squad as you say we do. Everyone besides the 2 Melbourne teams and Shitney have a similar level of rubbish in their squads. If we could keep the same team fit and maybe a couple of tactics we could have made the 6. We couldn't stay fit/unsuspended and set up poorly in other games. I'd say thats both the sqaud and Jones' fault.



2 Cleansheets in 23

That seems like training and tactics from Jones.



Giving away what is it 9 ****ing penalties??

That just piss weak

That's definitely the players fault.

[Hunter403]

It's the fault of Chris Beath.....ba5tard!

[parksey]

Our squad is easily as good as CCM's, Adelaide's and probably Wellington's. I'll stand behind that.

The only side that I mentioned who have better squad on paper is WSW, and even then it's not by that much overall.

[plague]

The only side that I mentioned who have better squad on paper is WSW, and even then it's not by that much overall.

Martinez makes them better than us.

the rest are just a bunch of dudes like ours.

[hawk]

Our squad is easily as good as CCM's, Adelaide's and probably Wellington's. I'll stand behind that.

The only side that I mentioned who have better squad on paper is WSW, and even then it's not by that much overall.

omg have you seen Wellos sqaud. Bonev, barba, Krish they are way over us. Are you sure youve look at those squads? they do lack heart.
Adelaid cirio, sanch, carrus is better than us on paper. they do tail off more than Well. Kitto looked good for us hardly rates there. dude... #9th

pinball song doesnt lie, it does keep saying we're 12th also


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMCfdPT7a-U

[parksey]

omg have you seen Wellos sqaud. Bonev, barba, Krish they are way over us. Are you sure youve look at those squads? they do lack heart.
Adelaid cirio, sanch, carrus is better than us on paper. they do tail off more than Well. Kitto looked good for us hardly rates there. dude... #9th

pinball song doesnt lie, it does keep saying we're 12th also


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMCfdPT7a-U

Kitto was horrible for us too.

Yeah so apart from the guy you mentioned the rest of their squads are a bunch of nobodies.

[turbojetfireV8]

This is how I see our steady decline, after showing patches of what we could have achieved earlier on with a few really good performances, up till now with it all turning to sh*t and unnervingly homing in on the spoon as the season falters to a total capitulation, I do give Jones a large amount of credit for our sh*tness at this point in time...

1412

[StannyCFCJET]

Wont pick Clut or start Nobby and Kokko together after they look the goods vs gypos. Keeps starting Kanta when fit and Mullen. Sums up our super coach. Look forward to more tactical genius next season mr jones

[The Dunster]

Martin Lee will have seen enough by now to be showing Jones the door before the pre-season even starts. I can't see anything less than 3 wins from the last four games being able to save his job now. And that may not even be enough.

[Jeterpool]

Hi Guys,

Any room left for new members?

[Bremsstrahlung]

Unless we are getting a tried and tested coach, for minimum 3 years, what's the point?

Yeh, Jones hasn't showed me anything at all. The players all take some responsibility as well. 0.5 of a coach, 0.5 of a team and 0.25 of a season.

Anyway. Lee has seen the nature of the club and players, which he always said he was going to do, now he knows he needs more money to make us competitive.

Get a coach you are gonna open the kitty for them to use over 3 years.