Jones is Out (pg 49)

[Frodo]

Fair comments.

I mean just think about our best players. Super subjective but you'd probably say our best 5 players are:
- Nabbout
- Hoole
- Stevie UG
- Boogard
- Duncan

Again, give or take. Ignore SFC and MV for arguments sake.. but if any of those players went to say WSW, Brisbane, Perth, etc - how many would walk into the starting lineups? I would argue possibly Boogard is the only one.

Feel free to offer alternate opinions on which players would walk into other teams, or if my top 5 are "wrong".


Uga would play elsewhere, he is on a rubbish run of form but he has footballing skills.
Hoffman would play in most teams outside the top 4.

Boogard is too old, maybe the Mariners would start him but not many others.
Duncan is the same level as other keepers, which isn't saying much at all.
Nabbout and Hoole are too inconsistent and would be benchwarmers everywhere except the Mariners.

I think Poljak would get game time elsewhere he isn't going to lead a team around the park but can do the dirty work beside a smarter midfielder.

Kantarovski would probably shock us all and turn into the next Steve Lustica. Assists left, right and centre.

[MFKS]

So, if the team was going well until they imploded, then, they are good enough and the coach is sh1t. Bam, debate over.

Being highly competitive doesn't make them good enough

They are only good enough if your the type of low expectation mother ****er who thinks never going to gaol is an achievement to brag about.

[MFKS]

Uga would play elsewhere, he is on a rubbish run of form but he has footballing skills.
Hoffman would play in most teams outside the top 4.

Boogard is too old, maybe the Mariners would start him but not many others.
Duncan is the same level as other keepers, which isn't saying much at all.
Nabbout and Hoole are too inconsistent and would be benchwarmers everywhere except the Mariners.

I think Poljak would get game time elsewhere he isn't going to lead a team around the park but can do the dirty work beside a smarter midfielder.

Kantarovski would probably shock us all and turn into the next Steve Lustica. Assists left, right and centre.

Hoffman got the arse from Heart before they got better than they were

Poljak was not wanted by the side who finished 9th before the side that finished 10th gave him a new deal

I think by the time you got to Kanta you had been chugging too much KoolAid

As for the rest your probably bang on

[Frodo]

Hoffman got the arse from Heart before they got better than they were

Poljak was not wanted by the side who finished 9th before the side that finished 10th gave him a new deal

I think by the time you got to Kanta you had been chugging too much KoolAid

As for the rest your probably bang on

Right backs better than Hoffman in my opinion, from this league obviously...

Risdon, Hingert, Franjic, Geria, Elrich. He is about on par with the rest. So that leaves, Wanderers, Adelaide, Wellington, Mariners. Actually can't remember who Sydney are playing at RB but i'm sure he is better.

The argument was which teams would they get game time at or start.


Poljak is hard to argue, but i believe he would get gametime elsewhere.

Kanta was tongue in cheek.

[furns]

Right backs better than Hoffman in my opinion, from this league obviously...

Risdon, Hingert, Franjic, Geria, Elrich. He is about on par with the rest. So that leaves, Wanderers, Adelaide, Wellington, Mariners. Actually can't remember who Sydney are playing at RB but i'm sure he is better.

The argument was which teams would they get game time at or start.


Poljak is hard to argue, but i believe he would get gametime elsewhere.

Kanta was tongue in cheek.That would be Rhyan Grant - that bloke that was selected for the Socceroos recently. Love Hoff but there is no way he is better.

[Wilso8948]

Right backs better than Hoffman in my opinion, from this league obviously...

Risdon, Hingert, Franjic, Geria, Elrich. He is about on par with the rest. So that leaves, Wanderers, Adelaide, Wellington, Mariners. Actually can't remember who Sydney are playing at RB but i'm sure he is better.

The argument was which teams would they get game time at or start.


Poljak is hard to argue, but i believe he would get gametime elsewhere.

Kanta was tongue in cheek.

Also you mentioned Elrich but then said Adelaide.. The Hoff is marginally better then Neville so would possibly get a start at Wanderers, Wellington and Mariners. Once again I revert back to my point that anyone who thinks this is a 'top half' or even top 6 side is taking the absolute piss.

[Frodo]

That would be Rhyan Grant - that bloke that was selected for the Socceroos recently. Love Hoff but there is no way he is better.

My bad, i meant to say whoever was playing at Sydney would be better than Hoff. Lazy typing from me. Grant is easily better than Hoffman.

[Frodo]

Also you mentioned Elrich but then said Adelaide.. The Hoff is marginally better then Neville so would possibly get a start at Wanderers, Wellington and Mariners. Once again I revert back to my point that anyone who thinks this is a 'top half' or even top 6 side is taking the absolute piss.

Good point again, lazy typing from me on the adelaide one.


I still feel like your giving teams from 5-8 too much credit. Victory, Sydney, Citeh and Perth have better squads than us across the board. The rest are pretty much on our level when you balance out the entire playing roster.


For future reference everyone can quote me saying this.

"Our team is as shite as the teams from 5-10 and i don't think the players being crap is a good enough excuse for our season turning to Poo. It's a part of the problem and needs to be fixed, however replacing our entire squad wouldn't fix all of our issues/feaces."

[WolfMan]

Glad to see some sensible discussion around Hoffman.

He isn't the messiah, but he's not a naughty boy either. A very serviceable fullback in this league, although some people would have you believe he was the worst player to ever don boots

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Good point again, lazy typing from me on the adelaide one.


I still feel like your giving teams from 5-8 too much credit. Victory, Sydney, Citeh and Perth have better squads than us across the board. The rest are pretty much on our level when you balance out the entire playing roster.


For future reference everyone can quote me saying this.

"Our team is as shite as the teams from 5-10 and i don't think the players being crap is a good enough excuse for our season turning to Poo. It's a part of the problem and needs to be fixed, however replacing our entire squad wouldn't fix all of our issues/feaces."

Wellingtons squad is better than ours. They're playing good football now too.

Late start to the season for them, will cost them next season when they all leave.

[Frodo]

Wellingtons squad is better than ours. They're playing good football now too.

Late start to the season for them, will cost them next season when they all leave.

I'd say they have 5 players that stand out then the rest is par for the HAL. That backline doesn't strike fear into Strikers, same as ours.

[halo se7en]

Hoffman got the arse from Heart before they got better than they were

Poljak was not wanted by the side who finished 9th before the side that finished 10th gave him a new deal

I think by the time you got to Kanta you had been chugging too much KoolAid

As for the rest your probably bang on

Wasn't Poljak also part of the early Wanderers success?

[MFKS]

Wasn't Poljak also part of the early Wanderers success?

His success at Wanderers waned over time.

By the time he departed Popovic wouldn't use him in the ACL as he rated his other foreigners higher

[Jeterpool]

Wasn't Poljak also part of the early Wanderers success?

ACL winner Mateo Poljak? Different guy surely.

[mervan]

he is now commenting on certain players, who he wanted to keep but wouldn't sign, the end close, be coaching westlakes ids soon

[Bon]

he is now commenting on certain players, who he wanted to keep but wouldn't sign, the end close, be coaching westlakes ids soon

He should be so lucky, right pv4? :brrr:

[OmeletteDuFromage]

Ehh **** it, in for out.

[parksey]

don't think this is even a debate anymore.

[rhysd]

I have time for MJ.

However, it is hard to see him retaining his job after finishing in 10th place.

Having said that, though, can't see many players keeping theirs!

[MFKS]

Hello boys


Let's get this under way

[halo se7en]

don't think this is even a debate anymore.

It never was tbh

[steve136]

Stubbins > Jones there I said it

[OmeletteDuFromage]

Stubbins > Jones there I said it

At least we didnt take ourselves so seriously then. We were shit and we knew it.

[The Dunster]

This seasons not over yet for the Jets. Anyone here got any contacts working for ASADA that owe them a few favours perhaps ?

[mervan]

At least we didnt take ourselves so seriously then. We were shit and we knew it.
Under Miller 30 points

Under Jones 22 points

the numbers don't lie, he's lost the change room, hey but he's Lawrie loves him.

2018 ???

[MFKS]

This seasons not over yet for the Jets. Anyone here got any contacts working for ASADA that owe them a few favours perhaps ?

No being on drugs would mean performances improve

We should actually drug test our fans next week for watching it

[turbojetfireV8]

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[furns]

No being on drugs would mean performances improve

We should actually drug test our fans next week for watching it
You got any? I may need some ffs

[StannyCFCJET]

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****ing hell hes said the same crap for at least a month, what is he doing to change things!!!!!!

[pv4]

rhubarb rhubarb yada yada yada... yawn...https://foxsportspmd-a.akamaihd.net/free/nogeoblock/2017/04/09/FSD_90417_PFFA_FOT_HAL_CCM_PRESSER_201704091928/FSD_90417_PFFA_FOT_HAL_CCM_PRESSER_201704091928_15 96.mp4

I agree with Jonesy. We were in the finals race, 22nd round, and we've fallen away badly.

Badly.

Very badly.

Well said, Marcus.

[hawk]

rofl finals race.

We never had a chance. We had 5 wins out of 18 and by default were close to the 6.

Some homer reckoned we had a top 6 squad, another said Jones was competent and but the wise bet against us every week. Well played

[Jetmaster]

So this season is a successful one because "at one stage we were in the finals race".

[Jeterpool]

So this season is a successful one because "at one stage we were in the finals race".

And then Round 1 kicked off?

[The Dunster]

So this season is a successful one because "at one stage we were in the finals race".

the night before the opening round of the season we were level with Sydney FC and the defence was perfect. The only thing lacking was goals

[belchardo]

And mongrel, never forget mongrel dunster.

[Grimario]

The way he has been in the last few press conferences, does anyone think Jones has already been told he is gone at end of season?

[MonkeyKplunk]

I think he's being told not to speak his mind to the media. Otherwise he'll definitely be at Centrelink.

His answers are the same week in-week out, and I'm guessing if it wasn't for the league requirement to be at the press conference he probably wouldn't even attend

[white city]

rhubarb rhubarb yada yada yada... yawn...https://foxsportspmd-a.akamaihd.net/free/nogeoblock/2017/04/09/FSD_90417_PFFA_FOT_HAL_CCM_PRESSER_201704091928/FSD_90417_PFFA_FOT_HAL_CCM_PRESSER_201704091928_15 96.mp4

going by the words at the end of the presser there. in no clear words but i do believe Jones can see the writing on the wall and that the situation definitely isn't good enough from he or the players.

i think the next few weeks will clearly inform us fans on what Martin's ambitions are for this club moving forward!

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Lawrie has been VERY quiet on social media, given the amount of shit he's received over last night + Jones.

He knows he needs to act on Jones, which is why he's keeping quiet.

He responds to criticism, 100% on twitter. No this time though.

[pv4]

Lawrie has been VERY quiet on social media, given the amount of shit he's received over last night + Jones.

He knows he needs to act on Jones, which is why he's keeping quiet.

He responds to criticism, 100% on twitter. No this time though.

He didn't respond to me when I first brought to his attention the whole "just another game" thing, before I'd seen it reported anywhere else. Seemed very odd he didn't respond.

Catch ya later Jones, enjoy Adelaide pal.

[sammydog]

Lawrie has been VERY quiet on social media, given the amount of shit he's received over last night + Jones.

He knows he needs to act on Jones, which is why he's keeping quiet.

He responds to criticism, 100% on twitter. No this time though.

I was expecting at least some PR Bullshit. Its gone very quiet......too quiet.

[lil_masi]

I was expecting at least some PR Bullshit. Its gone very quiet......too quiet.

Yeah I've been seeking answers off Lawrie about the disaster of a season, no response

[MFKS]

I sure the CEO is just dying to listen to ****s rant and rave at him this morning.

Of all the things at this club it most imperative he is on Twitter to deal with every smart arse know it all

[Roundball Enthusiast]

I sure the CEO is just dying to listen to ****s rant and rave at him this morning.

Of all the things at this club it most imperative he is on Twitter to deal with every smart arse know it all

So you're saying, the club shouldn't listen to its supporters, the ones who help fund it? The sole purpose the club exists?

Oh shit, maybe that's where they have been going wrong all this time.

[pv4]

I sure the CEO is just dying to listen to ****s rant and rave at him this morning.

Of all the things at this club it most imperative he is on Twitter to deal with every smart arse know it all

It's funny because go back a couple of months and one of my main criticisms of Lawrie was the fact that he DID deal with every smart arse know it all.

We are merely pointing out that when the sky truly has fallen, he hides in the bushes

[MFKS]

So you're saying, the club shouldn't listen to its supporters, the ones who help fund it? The sole purpose the club exists?

Oh shit, maybe that's where they have been going wrong all this time.

Yep

Because right now is not the time to let the idiots run the asylum

We have some how slipped up in the last two months from where we were to where we are

Now is the time for cool heads and patience not spur of the moment decisions to satisfy bloodlust

[Macca]

Now is the time for cool heads and patience not spur of the moment decisions to satisfy bloodlust

You've changed man.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Yep

Because right now is not the time to let the idiots run the asylum

We have some how slipped up in the last two months from where we were to where we are

Now is the time for cool heads and patience not spur of the moment decisions to satisfy bloodlust

I really want to know what Jones did/does for you, for you to continue to fanboy him so hard.

Must be some good shit.

[Grimario]

.

[StannyCFCJET]

I really want to know what Jones did/does for you, for you to continue to fanboy him so hard.

Must be some good shit.

Keeps picking Boogard so Member has someone to yell at each game

[pv4]

https://twitter.com/nbnnews/status/851277519781216257

Reporter - "Will Mark Jones be here next season?".
McKinna - "It's too early to tell. He has a 2 year contract".

The kiss of death, Jones is #gone

Enjoy the pissant town that is Adelaide.

[StannyCFCJET]

https://twitter.com/nbnnews/status/851277519781216257

Reporter - "Will Mark Jones be here next season?".
McKinna - "It's too early to tell. He has a 2 year contract".

The kiss of death, Jones is #gone

Enjoy the pissant town that is Adelaide.

When did he get a two year deal?

[Jeterpool]

When did he get a two year deal?

23/9/2016 when he was appointed.

[pv4]

23/9/2016 when he was appointed.

He is contracted until the end of next season.

But when asked if he will still be here next season the first thing Lawrie said is "it's too early to tell".

The kiss of death, from his own mate. The scenes!

[Bon]

He is contracted until the end of next season.

But when asked if he will still be here next season the first thing Lawrie said is "it's too early to tell".

The kiss of death, from his own mate. The scenes!

Yeah, thats how I took that..

[StannyCFCJET]

And we all know Mr Lee has no problems sacking coaches

[Frodo]

And we all know Mr Lee has no problems sacking coaches

He has only sacked One coach the entire time he has owned us!

Or

He has sacked 50% of coaches we've had within their first year?

Or

He has sacked every single coach named Scott within the first few months of meeting them?

Any other tedious links you want to make? LOL

[Frodo]

https://twitter.com/nbnnews/status/851277519781216257

Reporter - "Will Mark Jones be here next season?".
McKinna - "It's too early to tell. He has a 2 year contract".

The kiss of death, Jones is #gone

Enjoy the pissant town that is Adelaide.

I am hoping McKinna is unsure because he doesn't even know if his own job is safe. Every single member of staff and player should be on notice today that people will not be here next season. Send down some independent guys to interview everyone ("Office Space" Style) and find better replacements.

If you haven't seen the movie do yourself a favour. You will thank me.

[StannyCFCJET]

He has only sacked One coach the entire time he has owned us!

Or

He has sacked 50% of coaches we've had within their first year?

Or

He has sacked every single coach named Scott within the first few months of meeting them?

Any other tedious links you want to make? LOL

How much time you got?

[Jeterpool]

OK so there's lots of hypotetical statements/wishes/demands going around at the moment. All of these have the assumtption Mr Lee doesn't mind throwing his cash around willy-nilly - which I highly doubt is the truth.

I've got the sense the majority here want Jones, Boogaard, Kokko and to some extent Brown paid off from their remaining 1 and 2 (Brown) year deals. That all costs money.

Would you all pay out Jones, Zane, VanStratten, Boogaard, Kokko, Brown or "players" if it was at the expense of a marquee player and recruiting players outside of the cap? Because a new coach like Mulvey or Merrick (examples of names put up) it is reasonable to assume are going to be demading a much higher wage than Jones. Lee is a businessman and will have allocated a budget to the Jets. How are we going to spend that cash??

Where do people lie?

[pv4]

I am hoping McKinna is unsure because he doesn't even know if his own job is safe. Every single member of staff and player should be on notice today that people will not be here next season. Send down some independent guys to interview everyone ("Office Space" Style) and find better replacements.

If you haven't seen the movie do yourself a favour. You will thank me.

I've seen this clip before:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNuu9CpdjIo

[pv4]

I've seen this clip before:

And then on the other end of the whole Business Management Consultant spectrum, I've also seen Peep Show's (sup Bon) take on that profession:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkELicRkq1I

[Bon]

And then on the other end of the whole Business Management Consultant spectrum, I've also seen Peep Show's (sup Bon) take on that profession:


Johnson, smooth as fvck.. hahaha

I was thinking more along this clip:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQdJkMqmyPo

[Frodo]

OK so there's lots of hypotetical statements/wishes/demands going around at the moment. All of these have the assumtption Mr Lee doesn't mind throwing his cash around willy-nilly - which I highly doubt is the truth.

I've got the sense the majority here want Jones, Boogaard, Kokko and to some extent Brown paid off from their remaining 1 and 2 (Brown) year deals. That all costs money.

Would you all pay out Jones, Zane, VanStratten, Boogaard, Kokko, Brown or "players" if it was at the expense of a marquee player and recruiting players outside of the cap? Because a new coach like Mulvey or Merrick (examples of names put up) it is reasonable to assume are going to be demading a much higher wage than Jones. Lee is a businessman and will have allocated a budget to the Jets. How are we going to spend that cash??

Where do people lie?

Is this what we want or what we think will happen?

What i want is McKinna gone more than anyone else.

What i think will happen is Lee won't do anything major until we stop being a pretty toy to show off to his investors. He only owns us so he can show us off as a part of his empire. We can't be relegated and the teams salary is capped, why would he want to spend money on us if he doesn't have to?

[halo se7en]

Is this what we want or what we think will happen?

What i want is McKinna gone more than anyone else.

What i think will happen is Lee won't do anything major until we stop being a pretty toy to show off to his investors. He only owns us so he can show us off as a part of his empire. We can't be relegated and the teams salary is capped, why would he want to spend money on us if he doesn't have to?

What kid parades his second-hand rusty bike with one pedal & no handle bars to the other kids? This is the bit I don't get when people say Lee isn't interested in winning, only showing off the club.

[StannyCFCJET]

What kid parades his second-hand rusty bike with one pedal & no handle bars to the other kids? This is the bit I don't get when people say Lee isn't interested in winning, only showing off the club.

I agree If the Jets fail it will be a blemish on Mr Lee's business portfolio and people may question his commitment to his business endeavors. Time will tell how serious he is about the Jets.

[lquiquer]

OK so there's lots of hypotetical statements/wishes/demands going around at the moment. All of these have the assumtption Mr Lee doesn't mind throwing his cash around willy-nilly - which I highly doubt is the truth.

I've got the sense the majority here want Jones, Boogaard, Kokko and to some extent Brown paid off from their remaining 1 and 2 (Brown) year deals. That all costs money.

Would you all pay out Jones, Zane, VanStratten, Boogaard, Kokko, Brown or "players" if it was at the expense of a marquee player and recruiting players outside of the cap? Because a new coach like Mulvey or Merrick (examples of names put up) it is reasonable to assume are going to be demading a much higher wage than Jones. Lee is a businessman and will have allocated a budget to the Jets. How are we going to spend that cash??

Where do people lie?

I think the question is: Why did Mr Lee buy the club?...... To sell lights in Australia? (Except the Member who bought a Ledman light, who else has?).... To sell lights in China?...THEN he needs Jets to be A-League winners and to achieved that / or at least go to ACL HE knows for sure he will have to spend big $$$$$..... If not what's the point to run at a loss the Jerks.....

[Frodo]

What kid parades his second-hand rusty bike with one pedal & no handle bars to the other kids? This is the bit I don't get when people say Lee isn't interested in winning, only showing off the club.

We think we are rubbish but i'm sure Chinese investors don't follow the HAL.

You name me one football club owner that owns their club for reasons other than showing off? If you think people buy football clubs only because they are 'passionate about the fans' you my friend are delusional.

I'm sure 98% of owners world-wide want their fans to be happy but not as the expense of good business. Lee wouldn't know if we are unhappy right now anyway. He has 8000 members on the books which is about average for this league and we aren't getting relegated.

Quite happy to be proven wrong but everything he has done so far has been using us as a pawn in a bigger game he is playing. Nothing has been to solely benefit us.

[Frodo]

I think the question is: Why did Mr Lee buy the club?...... To sell lights in Australia? (Except the Member who bought a Ledman light, who else has?).... To sell lights in China?...THEN he needs Jets to be A-League winners and to achieved that / or at least go to ACL HE knows for sure he will have to spend big $$$$$..... If not what's the point to run at a loss the Jerks.....

He could make us a club that covers it's own costs pretty easily. The bills in this league aren't that big, and he could get enough sponsorship/shirt sales/members to break even.

Yet again, happy to be proven wrong i just haven't seen any signs showing me otherwise yet.

[evanhayes5]

OK so there's lots of hypotetical statements/wishes/demands going around at the moment. All of these have the assumtption Mr Lee doesn't mind throwing his cash around willy-nilly - which I highly doubt is the truth.

I've got the sense the majority here want Jones, Boogaard, Kokko and to some extent Brown paid off from their remaining 1 and 2 (Brown) year deals. That all costs money.

Would you all pay out Jones, Zane, VanStratten, Boogaard, Kokko, Brown or "players" if it was at the expense of a marquee player and recruiting players outside of the cap? Because a new coach like Mulvey or Merrick (examples of names put up) it is reasonable to assume are going to be demading a much higher wage than Jones. Lee is a businessman and will have allocated a budget to the Jets. How are we going to spend that cash??

Where do people lie?

Whats VanStratten done wrong? Thought he has down well with Duncan this season and last season has did well with Birraz. If you were gonna sack coaches surely then the chinese assistant coach gets the sack to, does he even do anything at the club?

The two coaches should be the first to go and then whoever is bought in as new coach can have the final say with regards to support staff.

[Frodo]

Yes, i understand that he needs us to show up to games to acheive that, but i don't think he would have any indicators to show him that we won't be here next season. We've won spoons before and still had 10,000 members.

[StannyCFCJET]

We think we are rubbish but i'm sure Chinese investors don't follow the HAL.

You name me one football club owner that owns their club for reasons other than showing off? If you think people buy football clubs only because they are 'passionate about the fans' you my friend are delusional.

I'm sure 98% of owners world-wide want their fans to be happy but not as the expense of good business. Lee wouldn't know if we are unhappy right now anyway. He has 8000 members on the books which is about average for this league and we aren't getting relegated.

Quite happy to be proven wrong but everything he has done so far has been using us as a pawn in a bigger game he is playing. Nothing has been to solely benefit us.

Roman Abramovic He loves football and does anything he can to help Chelsea win. Sure he's sacked plenty of coaches made some harsh decisions but he wants to win. Hell he's spending money to help us build our new ground. Hell he attends nearly every game, goes into the sheds after games to celebrate with the players, attends training and recently has had several lunches with Conte to learn more about football.

[StannyCFCJET]

Whats VanStratten done wrong? Thought he has down well with Duncan this season and last season has did well with Birraz. If you were gonna sack coaches surely then the chinese assistant coach gets the sack to, does he even do anything at the club?

The two coaches should be the first to go and then whoever is bought in as new coach can have the final say with regards to support staff.

You attend training dont you?? what input do Zane and the Chinese bloke have?

[Jeterpool]

Whats VanStratten done wrong? Thought he has down well with Duncan this season and last season has did well with Birraz. If you were gonna sack coaches surely then the chinese assistant coach gets the sack to, does he even do anything at the club?

The two coaches should be the first to go and then whoever is bought in as new coach can have the final say with regards to support staff.

His name is there because he's part of the current staff. I doubt Rocky will be let go simply because of his association with Lee.

And still, nobody answers my original question. Too busy picking holes in what I've written.

[Jeterpool]

I think the question is: Why did Mr Lee buy the club?...... To sell lights in Australia? (Except the Member who bought a Ledman light, who else has?).... To sell lights in China?...THEN he needs Jets to be A-League winners and to achieved that / or at least go to ACL HE knows for sure he will have to spend big $$$$$..... If not what's the point to run at a loss the Jerks.....

Interesting question. I think its to sell product in China. Australia, with 3 ACL spots from 9 teams, represents the easiest route there

[hawk]

I think the question is: Why did Mr Lee buy the club?......

Cheap a**holes at ffa sold him a dream, he bought a pile of sh1t.

ffa laughing at Newy suckers and taking ezy china cash.

[MFKS]

OK so there's lots of hypotetical statements/wishes/demands going around at the moment. All of these have the assumtption Mr Lee doesn't mind throwing his cash around willy-nilly - which I highly doubt is the truth.

I've got the sense the majority here want Jones, Boogaard, Kokko and to some extent Brown paid off from their remaining 1 and 2 (Brown) year deals. That all costs money.

Would you all pay out Jones, Zane, VanStratten, Boogaard, Kokko, Brown or "players" if it was at the expense of a marquee player and recruiting players outside of the cap? Because a new coach like Mulvey or Merrick (examples of names put up) it is reasonable to assume are going to be demading a much higher wage than Jones. Lee is a businessman and will have allocated a budget to the Jets. How are we going to spend that cash??

Where do people lie?

To me the way forward is still slowly

We have that many ****ing problems there is no magic fix

First up it is gutting our squad.
We will obviously free up spots with blokes being released but we need to get creative and **** off a few more.

As for our coaching department.

We need to increase the pool anyway so why sack anyone nd then just wait for natural attrition as contracts run out

FFS we are taking over the EJ so put Zane in charge of the 13s

As for marquees no needed

Let's just get our squad sorted slowly with blokes who have guts and ability

Paying Jones out??
For what.

We need someone to gut this club from the inside anyway. You ****s already hate him.

Let him do the job

Fix the rest of the shit around him and when the time is right he will go anyway

[lquiquer]

I just spotted again your signature Member......
"I am the light of the world,
He who followeth me shall not walk in darkness
But have the light of LIFE"........... Did Mr Lee originally say that? :lulzturtle:

[StannyCFCJET]

To me the way forward is still slowly

We have that many ****ing problems there is no magic fix

First up it is gutting our squad.
We will obviously free up spots with blokes being released but we need to get creative and **** off a few more.

As for our coaching department.

We need to increase the pool anyway so why sack anyone nd then just wait for natural attrition as contracts run out

FFS we are taking over the EJ so put Zane in charge of the 13s

As for marquees no needed

Let's just get our squad sorted slowly with blokes who have guts and ability

Paying Jones out??
For what.

We need someone to gut this club from the inside anyway. You ****s already hate him.

Let him do the job

Fix the rest of the shit around him and when the time is right he will go anyway

So another season where Jones plays people out of position and freezes others out of the team. Not to mention no one wants to play for a coach who led a team to the spoon.

You're either trolling with your jones love which in that case mission accomplished but If you actually belive what your typing, I gotta ask what the **** have you been watching the past few weeks. Before you bang on about the good football a few months back. That was all through Nabbout and Hoole not being found out. Now their found out Jones didn't have a plan B or C and something has happened and he has lost the dressing room.

Unless Lee sacks the whole playing group theirs No way Jones can stay and maybe be successful if half of the players he lost are still at the club

[evanhayes5]

You attend training dont you?? what input do Zane and the Chinese bloke have?

Yeh watch quite a few sessions in the week cause of uni, Chinese guy 0 input, Van Stratten takes the keepers (obvs) and then when keepers are involved he also is in the main session.

Zane takes a lot of drills as well and also stops and gives feed back to players when he feels necessary. To what input they have with team selections I dont know

[StannyCFCJET]

Yeh watch quite a few sessions in the week cause of uni, Chinese guy 0 input, Van Stratten takes the keepers (obvs) and then when keepers are involved he also is in the main session.

Zane takes a lot of drills as well and also stops and gives feed back to players when he feels necessary. To what input they have with team selections I dont know

Does Jones do anything then lol?

[MFKS]

Does Jones do anything then lol?

You do understand that blokes like Conte Mourinho etc don't take every session at training??

It what the other coaches do

[MFKS]

So another season where Jones plays people out of position and freezes others out of the team. Not to mention no one wants to play for a coach who led a team to the spoon.

You're either trolling with your jones love which in that case mission accomplished but If you actually belive what your typing, I gotta ask what the **** have you been watching the past few weeks. Before you bang on about the good football a few months back. That was all through Nabbout and Hoole not being found out. Now their found out Jones didn't have a plan B or C and something has happened and he has lost the dressing room.

Unless Lee sacks the whole playing group theirs No way Jones can stay and maybe be successful if half of the players he lost are still at the club

You do realise next season Jones is in charge he has 12-14 players that he wants ??

You think our current form continues??

You think we not going to do a lot of hard work in pre season to improve??

You think the left over players are going to be sulking or busting their arse to earn their spots??

No

Jones will just carry on and every thing will stay same

FMD

[halo se7en]

We think we are rubbish but i'm sure Chinese investors don't follow the HAL.

You name me one football club owner that owns their club for reasons other than showing off? If you think people buy football clubs only because they are 'passionate about the fans' you my friend are delusional.

I'm sure 98% of owners world-wide want their fans to be happy but not as the expense of good business. Lee wouldn't know if we are unhappy right now anyway. He has 8000 members on the books which is about average for this league and we aren't getting relegated.

Quite happy to be proven wrong but everything he has done so far has been using us as a pawn in a bigger game he is playing. Nothing has been to solely benefit us.

You completely missed the mark. My point was why show off a football club that isn't winning games and lifting trophies? Has nought to do with the fans.

[steve136]

Jones' only big move this year was re-signing Brown. Your move MFKS.

[MFKS]

Jones' only big move this year was re-signing Brown. Your move MFKS.

I got nothing to say to that other than it was a shit move that

[plague]

Wait, what did that Mulvey dude do wrong?
Didn't he win the comp then get rissoled?

[halo se7en]

OK so there's lots of hypotetical statements/wishes/demands going around at the moment. All of these have the assumtption Mr Lee doesn't mind throwing his cash around willy-nilly - which I highly doubt is the truth.

I've got the sense the majority here want Jones, Boogaard, Kokko and to some extent Brown paid off from their remaining 1 and 2 (Brown) year deals. That all costs money.

Would you all pay out Jones, Zane, VanStratten, Boogaard, Kokko, Brown or "players" if it was at the expense of a marquee player and recruiting players outside of the cap? Because a new coach like Mulvey or Merrick (examples of names put up) it is reasonable to assume are going to be demading a much higher wage than Jones. Lee is a businessman and will have allocated a budget to the Jets. How are we going to spend that cash??

Where do people lie?

I wouldn't pay out Boogaard, Brown or VanStratten. Jones yes. Zane would be left up to the new coach to decide. Kokko is someone I would try hard to offload off his own bat. If they can agree to a mutual termination, which I think is possible, win-win. Boogaard is hardly the best CB in the league, but he's definitely not the worst. With more settled & solid fullbacks and midfield in front, he's good enough to do a job for now and get us partly up the table. There's also enough squad spaces open that we can vastly improve the squad and still utilise players like Brown who I think has more to offer under better circumstances. Our club needs a marquee and some players outside the cap, it's the only way we're going to attract decent players. I've said it before, but if a quality import is offered 200k in Melbourne, and 200k here, where do you think he's going? Even 250k to come here against Melbourne's 200k probably isn't enough. Until we're an attractive option, we have to pay overs, or rely on an impressive scouting network to unearth gems. The latter we all know is a pipe dream.

[Frodo]

Roman Abramovic He loves football and does anything he can to help Chelsea win. Sure he's sacked plenty of coaches made some harsh decisions but he wants to win. Hell he's spending money to help us build our new ground. Hell he attends nearly every game, goes into the sheds after games to celebrate with the players, attends training and recently has had several lunches with Conte to learn more about football.

Firstly, you are absolutely on crack if you think Roman bought Chelsea because he wants the city to have a wonderful football club. He is a powerful Russian businessman who spend his money keeping his mate Putin in power. He was one of the biggest Russian names to come out and start showing Russians as 'modern business men' but he is just a face of an ogliarchy doing very well for itself. He bought your club as a strategic move to bring himself notoriety and status. Which is the same as Usmanov wants to do at Arsenal. Kroenke only owns us because we are a piece in his portfolio. Same as the Glaziers, Fenway Sports, Shiek Mansour and most of the other club owners. It builds their status in their own country and increases their bargaining power.

That doesn't mean they don't want that business to succeed, of course they do. As does Mr Lee. I'm just saying that at this stage we are succeeding so why would he want to throw millions at us? Which is what is going to cost long-term to fix every problem that we have.

I'm with the member when he says we need to take it slowly and fix this club from the top to the bottom, or bottom to top, or East to West or whatever order it happens in. Paying Jones out just starts a new problem that will hit us again in 12 months. If Lee sorts out the backroom a bit better, and probably cleans out the top end of the squad then a new manager right now makes sense. But just changing manager by itself won't fix the problem long-term.

[Frodo]

Wait, what did that Mulvey dude do wrong?
Didn't he win the comp then get rissoled?

I'm keen to hear about Mulvey too. I thought he got sacked at the start of all that turmoil Brisbane had with their owners not paying and all the rest of it.

[StannyCFCJET]

Firstly, you are absolutely on crack if you think Roman bought Chelsea because he wants the city to have a wonderful football club. He is a powerful Russian businessman who spend his money keeping his mate Putin in power. He was one of the biggest Russian names to come out and start showing Russians as 'modern business men' but he is just a face of an ogliarchy doing very well for itself. He bought your club as a strategic move to bring himself notoriety and status. Which is the same as Usmanov wants to do at Arsenal. Kroenke only owns us because we are a piece in his portfolio. Same as the Glaziers, Fenway Sports, Shiek Mansour and most of the other club owners. It builds their status in their own country and increases their bargaining power.

That doesn't mean they don't want that business to succeed, of course they do. As does Mr Lee. I'm just saying that at this stage we are succeeding so why would he want to throw millions at us? Which is what is going to cost long-term to fix every problem that we have.

I'm with the member when he says we need to take it slowly and fix this club from the top to the bottom, or bottom to top, or East to West or whatever order it happens in. Paying Jones out just starts a new problem that will hit us again in 12 months. If Lee sorts out the backroom a bit better, and probably cleans out the top end of the squad then a new manager right now makes sense. But just changing manager by itself won't fix the problem long-term.

He may have at the start but he grew to love the club. Dont be angry cause Arsenal's owners are treating you like a cash cow

[Frodo]

You completely missed the mark. My point was why show off a football club that isn't winning games and lifting trophies? Has nought to do with the fans.

Same point still from my perspective. He still gets to show off that he owns a football club in Australia to all his friends. But yes he would be much prouder and i'm being very cynical in thinking that he doesn't care about us, i just haven't seen anything to think that he cares about us more than the rest of his assets.

[StannyCFCJET]

Same point still from my perspective. He still gets to show off that he owns a football club in Australia to all his friends. But yes he would be much prouder and i'm being very cynical in thinking that he doesn't care about us, i just haven't seen anything to think that he cares about us more than the rest of his assets.

We all have to wait to see how much money he spends. Mckinna's words last night on NBN mean **** all until we see some actual spending. Mckinna didn't seem to realise we've heard this all before.

[Frodo]

He may have at the start but he grew to love the club. Dont be angry cause Arsenal's owners are treating you like a cash cow

Stanny must have have found some of the old Koolaid we had lying around and it's turned. If Stanny hands you a cup and tells you how much he loves Chelsea DO NOT DRINK THE KOOLAID.

Can somone please pick up a fresh batch of magical Koolaid ready for the off-season, once we make 1 good signing you know 80% of us chumps will be back on here dreaming about the promise land of 6th place, haha.

[StannyCFCJET]

Stanny must have have found some of the old Koolaid we had lying around and it's turned. If Stanny hands you a cup and tells you how much he loves Chelsea DO NOT DRINK THE KOOLAID.

Can somone please pick up a fresh batch of magical Koolaid ready for the off-season, once we make 1 good signing you know 80% of us chumps will be back on here dreaming about the promise land of 6th place, haha.

I only go off what I see when watching Chelsea and reading news and when I talk to fans who go to games in England. The amount of money he puts into the club and the with how hands on he is. The proof is in the pudding. You wanna keep being delusional well that's on you.

Also Jets kool-aid? Im pretty sure theve been putting that in drinks at the stadium for years.

[MFKS]

Firstly, you are absolutely on crack if you think Roman bought Chelsea because he wants the city to have a wonderful football club. He is a powerful Russian businessman who spend his money keeping his mate Putin in power. He was one of the biggest Russian names to come out and start showing Russians as 'modern business men' but he is just a face of an ogliarchy doing very well for itself. He bought your club as a strategic move to bring himself notoriety and status. Which is the same as Usmanov wants to do at Arsenal. Kroenke only owns us because we are a piece in his portfolio. Same as the Glaziers, Fenway Sports, Shiek Mansour and most of the other club owners. It builds their status in their own country and increases their bargaining power.

That doesn't mean they don't want that business to succeed, of course they do. As does Mr Lee. I'm just saying that at this stage we are succeeding so why would he want to throw millions at us? Which is what is going to cost long-term to fix every problem that we have.

I'm with the member when he says we need to take it slowly and fix this club from the top to the bottom, or bottom to top, or East to West or whatever order it happens in. Paying Jones out just starts a new problem that will hit us again in 12 months. If Lee sorts out the backroom a bit better, and probably cleans out the top end of the squad then a new manager right now makes sense. But just changing manager by itself won't fix the problem long-term.

We have the exact same problem we had when we got rid of GVE

We have the exact same problem when we got rid of Stubbins

We have the exact same problem when we got rid of Miller

Yet you want to add Jones to this list??

Why so we have the same problem April 2018??
And then April 2019
Etc

See the worst thing we could do is get a Mulvey or a Merrick in until we actually have the patience to fail

Can you imagine the pressure they would be under here to deliver results??

Get the structure right and build slowly and stop this never ending cycle of Instant Gratification and failure

[StannyCFCJET]

We have the exact same problem we had when we got rid of GVE

We have the exact same problem when we got rid of Stubbins

We have the exact same problem when we got rid of Miller

Yet you want to add Jones to this list??

Why so we have the same problem April 2018??
And then April 2019
Etc

See the worst thing we could do is get a Mulvey or a Merrick in until we actually have the patience to fail

Can you imagine the pressure they would be under here to deliver results??

Get the structure right and build slowly and stop this never ending cycle of Instant Gratification and failure

We all see your point and I agree Member but you also need a good coach to help steer the ship and build the squad. Jones is not this.

[Jetmaster]

A good start on the road to redemption would be to say "yes, I f***ed up", take some accountability and "move forward".

That is what is pissing me off.

[pv4]

McKinna told The Herald (http://bit.ly/4kb77v) "Mark's position has never been under the microscope".

How the hell has an ENTIRE YEAR gone on and apparently ^ not once has the head coach not been under the microscope. How in the hell aren't there daily, weekly, monthly, quarterly kpi's/reviews/etc?

And what about how Mark was sent off and had to sit on the sideline? In what world do upper management at least not peek into the microscope when a coach gets suspended!

I have even less faith in McKinna on this one.

[MFKS]

A good start on the road to redemption would be to say "yes, I f***ed up", take some accountability and "move forward".

That is what is pissing me off.

Now would not be the time for it.

Once Saturday is done

The club has officially announced the blokes who are gone early next week etc

Then it time for a bit of honesty and self appraisal from the club to the fans


This is actually a positive here that they ain't doing this publically as they would have done in the past

[MFKS]

We all see your point and I agree Member but you also need a good coach to help steer the ship and build the squad. Jones is not this.

No you need to start building a competent functioning club by not looking for some instant fix.

Jones is in a position to know what the issues are.
Let him address them

Get someone else in and it another 12 months of rebuilding and then failing and sacking again

[hawk]

Get someone else in and it another 12 months of rebuilding and then failing and sacking again

No, get some better players and a better coach and 12 months isnt needed

[Bon]

No, get some better players and a better coach and 12 months isnt needed

There it is..

[StannyCFCJET]

No you need to start building a competent functioning club by not looking for some instant fix.

Jones is in a position to know what the issues are.
Let him address them

Get someone else in and it another 12 months of rebuilding and then failing and sacking again

And if Jones is sacked similar to Miller was before the season starts where ****ed again. Lets face it if Jones had shown he warrants keeping around then we'd all be in agreement, The fact that you seem to be the only Jets fan calling for Jones to stay says alot.

[MFKS]

And if Jones is sacked similar to Miller was before the season starts where ****ed again. Lets face it if Jones had shown he warrants keeping around then we'd all be in agreement, The fact that you seem to be the only Jets fan calling for Jones to stay says alot.

It actually just shows you lot are deluded and impatient

A 9 game winless run and a few hidings as the squad has imploded ain't insurmountable to return from

FFS we were playing some good shit in December January

I am one who just hasn't lost sight of that.

Jones is the man to take us forward

[StannyCFCJET]

It actually just shows you lot are deluded and impatient

A 9 game winless run and a few hidings as the squad has imploded ain't insurmountable to return from

FFS we were playing some good shit in December January

I am one who just hasn't lost sight of that.

Jones is the man to take us forward

That good shit was all through Nabbout and Hoole with a sprinkling of Clut. Since then Clut has barely played and Nabbout and Hoole have completely fallen off the wheel and Jones never prepared a plan B (Ive said this before btw). Teams and Coaches win and lose together and both have been a disgrace for at least 2 months. Get an experienced coach with some actual man management skills with the full backing of the salary cap + marquess etc as Mckinna has said will happen. Add some KPIs and whatnot so the next coach doesnt get a free ride for a season which apparently Jones has had. And for the love of god tell the players to shut their mouth and stop promising fans stuff like playing for the fans and doing better blah blah blah until we make the finals again. Hell id be happy with a players media ban until this happens. Also you keep using the excuse not his players/squad that the CEO and im guessing the Owner Mr Lee? said the coach wouldnt be able to use.

[StannyCFCJET]

No you need to start building a competent functioning club by not looking for some instant fix.

Jones is in a position to know what the issues are.
Let him address them

Get someone else in and it another 12 months of rebuilding and then failing and sacking again

And its only more rebuilding if the Coach isnt allowed full control of signing players and doesnt have the full cap to work with

[halo se7en]

Jones is the man to take us forward

Anyone from this point can take us forward because we can't go any further backward.

[MFKS]

That good shit was all through Nabbout and Hoole with a sprinkling of Clut. Since then Clut has barely played and Nabbout and Hoole have completely fallen off the wheel and Jones never prepared a plan B (Ive said this before btw). Teams and Coaches win and lose together and both have been a disgrace for at least 2 months. Get an experienced coach with some actual man management skills with the full backing of the salary cap + marquess etc as Mckinna has said will happen. Add some KPIs and whatnot so the next coach doesnt get a free ride for a season which apparently Jones has had. And for the love of god tell the players to shut their mouth and stop promising fans stuff like playing for the fans and doing better blah blah blah until we make the finals again. Hell id be happy with a players media ban until this happens. Also you keep using the excuse not his players/squad that the CEO and im guessing the Owner Mr Lee? said the coach wouldnt be able to use.

Plan B??


With what??

Nabbout and Raheem are the best option that the previous manager left him with.

So anything less than relying on them is not playing to our strengths.

Secondly that he previous manager left our attacking output stocks so low that we are relying on two blokes who were not good enough at former clubs to all of a sudden become the finished article says a lot about his ability.

What is also more telling is that we don't even have options in the squad to replace them if they are injured suspended etc
FfS Hoffman is our next best option

As for the end of your post you may need to comeback into reality and out of the Console Game management view on things.

KPIs Marquees Full backing of the cap

Let's just come back to reality and get out of fantasy land where it all so easy in theory

[Frodo]

That good shit was all through Nabbout and Hoole with a sprinkling of Clut. Since then Clut has barely played and Nabbout and Hoole have completely fallen off the wheel and Jones never prepared a plan B (Ive said this before btw). Teams and Coaches win and lose together and both have been a disgrace for at least 2 months. Get an experienced coach with some actual man management skills with the full backing of the salary cap + marquess etc as Mckinna has said will happen. Add some KPIs and whatnot so the next coach doesnt get a free ride for a season which apparently Jones has had. And for the love of god tell the players to shut their mouth and stop promising fans stuff like playing for the fans and doing better blah blah blah until we make the finals again. Hell id be happy with a players media ban until this happens. Also you keep using the excuse not his players/squad that the CEO and im guessing the Owner Mr Lee? said the coach wouldnt be able to use.

You've just recycled what other people have put forward here Stanny. You still haven't taken that holiday yet have you? You need to chill and get some perspective on life. You honestly sound like the kid at the start of a Halo team deathmatch screaming into his mic "I"M GOING TO GET A WARTHOG... I'M GOING TO GET A WARTHOG" and then crying when someone else jumped into it first... And i loved that kid for his enthusiasm.


The member would argue with his own shadow if he could catch it. :trolls: is appropriate with that man/myth so don't go feeding him anymore fuel, it just makes him stronger.

Jones isn't the guy to take the club much further forward than it is now, not a chance. But sacking him now will only make the club weaker as we will have to spend more money/resources replacing him and won't fix the problems that are hanging over the club in the bigger picture. The entire club needs to be improved and spending $400k or so to pay out Jones and then spending 3 months finding a replacement and then spending next year rebuilding doesn't help us fix those larger problem. It just moves the same argument back 12 months and keeps us on here sqwabbling over how crap we are instead the important matters like Full strength beer, Jets Shaped Hats and SD's new pool.

[MFKS]

Anyone from this point can take us forward because we can't go any further backward.

Yes you are right

We will be moving forward under Jones next season .

Because the worst is behind us and it onwards and upwards now

[Frodo]

Yes you are right

We will be moving forward under Jones next season .

Because the worst is behind us and it onwards and upwards now

Not this again. LOL.

[Wilso8948]

It does not surprise me what has transpired with Jones and the squad we have. We have yet again fallen in that 7-10 spot which by looking at our playing roster is pretty understandable. It would be interesting to see what people would genuinely mark Jones (pardon the pun) out of 10 given the FULL SQUAD he has at his disposal compared to every other teams. As a whole I would probably say around a 4/10 for me. Would have been nicer to finish higher then CCM, Wello, Adelaide etc but would it honestly matter? If we had finished 7th would everyone say he did an OK job? We had some good runs throughout the season but ultimately finished where we deserved. I can't say though that finishing up to and including 7th was a much better result.
So it now comes down to two options.
Does the club pay Jones out, bring in someone proven ($$) to try and attract decent quality players?
Does the club stick with Jones, open the cheque book and have faith that he will attract the kind of players we need?
My gut feel is he is in over his head. A decent assistant coach but a little too rough around the edge for the main role. However I'm just not quite ready to knife the bloke until I see what he can do with a decent list of quality players.

[R Ramjet]

We went the cheap option with stubbins who was looking for an opportunity to prove himself as a head coach and that back fired.
We went the cheap option with miller who was looking for an opportunity to prove himself as a head coach. He showed promise and looked capable of improving but then he was gone.
We went the cheap option with jones who was looking for an opportunity to prove himself as a head coach and that has back fired also.
If we keep going for the unproven rookie head coach then we are relying heavily on luck to get results across a WHOLE season.
Use the off season to find an experienced proven coach and actually pay them a wage that reflects their ability.
7 seasons without finals means the rookie coach option should be dead and buried. A decent coach given some resources will get some consistent results in the a league.
Mark Jones looks like a concreter and talks football like a concreter. He was a risky choice and has proven to be a poor choice. No point waiting any longer to get rid of him !

[The Dunster]

It does not surprise me what has transpired with Jones and the squad we have. We have yet again fallen in that 7-10 spot which by looking at our playing roster is pretty understandable. It would be interesting to see what people would genuinely mark Jones (pardon the pun) out of 10 given the FULL SQUAD he has at his disposal compared to every other teams. As a whole I would probably say around a 4/10 for me. Would have been nicer to finish higher then CCM, Wello, Adelaide etc but would it honestly matter? If we had finished 7th would everyone say he did an OK job? We had some good runs throughout the season but ultimately finished where we deserved. I can't say though that finishing up to and including 7th was a much better result.
So it now comes down to two options.
Does the club pay Jones out, bring in someone proven ($$) to try and attract decent quality players?
Does the club stick with Jones, open the cheque book and have faith that he will attract the kind of players we need?
My gut feel is he is in over his head. A decent assistant coach but a little too rough around the edge for the main role. However I'm just not quite ready to knife the bloke until I see what he can do with a decent list of quality players.

The fact we don't have any contracted players seeking releases from their contracts shows just how uninspiring the current squad is. They only care about pulling a wage - actually winning a competition means nothing to them.

[The Dunster]

We went the cheap option with stubbins who was looking for an opportunity to prove himself as a head coach and that back fired.
We went the cheap option with miller who was looking for an opportunity to prove himself as a head coach. He showed promise and looked capable of improving but then he was gone.
We went the cheap option with jones who was looking for an opportunity to prove himself as a head coach and that has back fired also.
If we keep going for the unproven rookie head coach then we are relying heavily on luck to get results across a WHOLE season.
Use the off season to find an experienced proven coach and actually pay them a wage that reflects their ability.
7 seasons without finals means the rookie coach option should be dead and buried. A decent coach given some resources will get some consistent results in the a league.
Mark Jones looks like a concreter and talks football like a concreter. He was a risky choice and has proven to be a poor choice. No point waiting any longer to get rid of him !

By that logic John Aloisi wouldn't have a job nor would many other capable managers. This clubs big problem is too many sub-par players on too much money. Jones is not solely responsible for that.
As someone else mentioned - If Jones is already on the nose why not keep him there while the club cleans out the dead wood from the roster and bring in the super coach / manager when the clubs ready to actually start building a side.
Because at the moment we still have ten or so players we cannot get rid of that are not good enough to be part of a successful team - perhaps even more. This means we'd be trying to make the finals next season with at the most 15 players even if we managed to buy the best players we could possibly obtain. An injury or two and it would be season over.

We need 20 plus genuine players. Currently we don't have five worth keeping.

[Grimario]

You mean John Aloisi who did get the sack from MC because his results were extraordinarily shit and then spent two years as a coach before getting another gig?


And there aren't 20 genuine players to go around in the A-League. The standard is shit and there aren't enough good Australian players go go around. Make do with the shit we have because that's as good as it gets.

[RAM]

Jones is ****ed.

Our rich owner should be looking at a decent coach as it directly affects the team's performance and it is something that is outside the salary cap - potentially giving us an advantage

[StannyCFCJET]

Get the feeling well find out his fate the Wednesday or Thursday after the Sydney game

[turbojetfireV8]

I was kinda hoping it would be all done and dusted by 7:30pm Saturday 15/4/17...

[hawk]

Stubbins and Jones are twins. Both love wooden spoons

[BP Super Dynamos]

I'm all for stability and keeping a coach, but is Mark Jones really the man to rebuild our squad? In January he brought in Johnny K and a couple of other young unknowns, none who've set the world alight. Does Jones have any contacts outside of Adelaide to bring in new talent? If he does keep his job for next season, I'm not convinced he can bring any real quality into the squad. With Zane as his offsider, I see another rookie coach with little pull when it comes to finding or signing talented players. Without really knowing Jones and Zane and their contacts/links to talent in Australia and overseas, I'm not convinced they're the pair to sort the rabble that is the Jets

[hawk]

I'm all for stability and keeping a coach, but is Mark Jones really the man to rebuild our squad?

That's the million $ Q. Since we have a chance to find another lets at least have a look

[lquiquer]

It all comes down to how many millions Mr Lee is willing to invest. If he intends to get one or two O'Caravan kind of players then we may as well keep Jones.

[Jeterpool]

Get the feeling well find out his fate the Wednesday or Thursday after the Sydney game

Can you wait that long?

[StannyCFCJET]

Can you wait that long?

Gonna have too, Club will do whatever they want reguardless of how fans feel

[Pico]

My biggest concern is that the club finally has a chance to appoint an experienced coach to lead the team and they will have the ability to recruit a fair amount of players = no more not my squad bullshit!

Say the club keeps the faith with Jones and it goes from bad to worse next year after he has signed all his players to multi year deals then what?, if they sack Jones its the typical jets routine of not my players, I need an off season, our cap was hindered by the previous players / contracts the manager signed.

The club finally has the chance to gut a fair amount of squad spaces, get an experienced coach in & allow them to control their destiny, no bullshit excuses.

The minimum bench mark if that were to happen would be to finish 5th in the new coach / squads first year with sound salary cap spending and budgeting to spend again in the following off season to build a top 3 squad. The club would have to come right out and state that as an aim for the coach, place some accountability and expectation other than just this pathetic win enough games to be above the bottom 40% of the league.

Patience will be the key, but I can't see any of that happening whilst Jones is here, cut him then cut all the un-contracted players, begin the process of trying to move as many contracted players on now, hell send them to Lee's other 3rd tier Chinese team, its probably the suitable standard for this current jets bunch, recruit a proven experienced coach and go from there.

[MFKS]

My biggest concern is that the club finally has a chance to appoint an experienced coach to lead the team and they will have the ability to recruit a fair amount of players = no more not my squad bullshit!

Say the club keeps the faith with Jones and it goes from bad to worse next year after he has signed all his players to multi year deals then what?, if they sack Jones its the typical jets routine of not my players, I need an off season, our cap was hindered by the previous players / contracts the manager signed.

The club finally has the chance to gut a fair amount of squad spaces, get an experienced coach in & allow them to control their destiny, no bullshit excuses.

The minimum bench mark if that were to happen would be to finish 5th in the new coach / squads first year with sound salary cap spending and budgeting to spend again in the following off season to build a top 3 squad. The club would have to come right out and state that as an aim for the coach, place some accountability and expectation other than just this pathetic win enough games to be above the bottom 40% of the league.

Patience will be the key, but I can't see any of that happening whilst Jones is here, cut him then cut all the un-contracted players, begin the process of trying to move as many contracted players on now, hell send them to Lee's other 3rd tier Chinese team, its probably the suitable standard for this current jets bunch, recruit a proven experienced coach and go from there.

Out of curiosity you hammering on about patience then setting a goal and talking about KPIs and accountability

Sort of hypocritical that

It either patience or accountability for the Jets

Cant really have both

[PC14]

Out of curiosity you hammering on about patience then setting a goal and talking about KPIs and accountability

Sort of hypocritical that

It either patience or accountability for the Jets

Cant really have both

You can have both.

It's a matter of finding the balance between the both.

Set realistic KPIs. Give whoever is to meet these KPIs time to meet them. If and when they don't, hold them accountable.

Jones would have, or should have, been given the minimum target of making the 6. He was given the time to stamp his impression on the side and get them into the 6. For a while he was meeting his target and all was looking fine. Now he is unceremoniously taking the team to the spoon and should be held accountable.

[Phyllis G. Saldivar]

Out of curiosity you hammering on about patience then setting a goal and talking about KPIs and accountability

Sort of hypocritical that

It either patience or accountability for the Jets

Cant really have both

Trumpkins are perhaps the most hypocritical creatures in existence (and they don't even realize it (https://www.blogger.com/profile/01693495315931726888)!)

[MFKS]

You can have both.

It's a matter of finding the balance between the both.

Set realistic KPIs. Give whoever is to meet these KPIs time to meet them. If and when they don't, hold them accountable.

Jones would have, or should have, been given the minimum target of making the 6. He was given the time to stamp his impression on the side and get them into the 6. For a while he was meeting his target and all was looking fine. Now he is unceremoniously taking the team to the spoon and should be held accountable.

So if you are setting realistic KPIs then you expect a first time coach who gets thrown in the deepend 2 week out from the season start, is left with a squad full of no hopers, has no backing in the transfer market from above at a club who haven't made the semis in 7 years at a club with chronic problems crippling it??

Because I would call that unrealistic to expect him to succeed in light of all these issues.

The only way this club can succeed is slowly by being patient and getting its shit together

[MonkeyKplunk]

So if you are setting realistic KPIs then you expect a first time coach who gets thrown in the deepend 2 week out from the season start, is left with a squad full of no hopers, has no backing in the transfer market from above at a club who haven't made the semis in 7 years at a club with chronic problems crippling it??

Because I would call that unrealistic to expect him to succeed in light of all these issues.

The only way this club can succeed is slowly by being patient and getting its shit together

Are you kidding me?
How is making the 6 not a realistic KPI? Even with these current players.
From memory it was the only major goal they set at the start of the season. And I dare say it would have been the goal Jones also set for himself at the start of the season.

[rhysd]

I thought mark Jones / mckinna said at the start of the season that whoever came in wouldn't be allowed to use the excuse of this isn't his squad?

From memory they also set min standard of top 6 finish.

I thought MJ was doing a good job. But something nasty has happened in the last 2 mths.

[StannyCFCJET]

I thought mark Jones / mckinna said at the start of the season that whoever came in wouldn't be allowed to use the excuse of this isn't his squad?

From memory they also set min standard of top 6 finish.

I thought MJ was doing a good job. But something nasty has happened in the last 2 mths.

You are correct but somehow this is a legit excuse for Member even though the club said it couldn't be used.

[MFKS]

You are correct but somehow this is a legit excuse for Member even though the club said it couldn't be used.

Considering the club's history of lies bullshit denial etc
You still actually believe every word that comes out of their mouths as gospel??

[StannyCFCJET]

Considering the club's history of lies bullshit denial etc
You still actually believe every word that comes out of their mouths as gospel??

No anything regarding transfers and player signings nope. When Mckinna handed down the conditions for the coach who would replace Miller I did and still do. Lets see how much his word means after the Sydney game. I still have some/little faith in Mckinna

[MFKS]

No anything regarding transfers and player signings nope. When Mckinna handed down the conditions for the coach who would replace Miller I did and still do. Lets see how much his word means after the Sydney game. I still have some/little faith in Mckinna

Good because I still waiting on this uptempo high energy passing game we were promised 6-7years ago by the experienced championship winning coach we recruited who failed to deliver it

[MFKS]

No anything regarding transfers and player signings nope. When Mckinna handed down the conditions for the coach who would replace Miller I did and still do. Lets see how much his word means after the Sydney game. I still have some/little faith in Mckinna

Also you have faith in the word of a Gypo??

Ohhhh this a good one

[StannyCFCJET]

Also you have faith in the word of a Gypo??

Ohhhh this a good one

In terms off field stuff and communicating with the fans, This the best weve been run since Remo in the early days. Would you rather go back to the days of Middleby who I recall was from Newcastle??

[MFKS]

In terms off field stuff and communicating with the fans, This the best weve been run since Remo in the early days. Would you rather go back to the days of Middleby who I recall was from Newcastle??

Don't try dodging the point made


You claimed you had faith in a Gypo

Novacastrians don't ever say that

[Macca]

You two are perfect for each other haha. :popcorn:

[StannyCFCJET]

You two are perfect for each other haha. :popcorn:

If only the team got as passionate as some of our disagreements.

[Hunter403]

Rhys has it. Something has happenedin the last 8 weeks that has turned the season in to the train wreck we all can't stop watching

[Tommyjet]

Rhys has it. Something has happenedin the last 8 weeks that has turned the season in to the train wreck we all can't stop watching

Contract talks to start with

[MFKS]

Contract talks to start with

If they professional enough contract talks dont effect them


For a start their managers deal with it. None of them are due a huge pay rise either

So none of them have an excuse for not aiming up

If they have been told they are surplus. Then they are fighting for their careers. Their response says plenty about their level of heart

[Jeterpool]

Rhys has it. Something has happenedin the last 8 weeks that has turned the season in to the train wreck we all can't stop watching

For me it all started when Nabbout was named as a possible socceroos and topped the JW medal tally.
Then there was the Leilei sale mooted and Hoole's contract was taken off the table all during January... then it all goes to poo

[Wilso8948]

Why did Lei Lei disappear?

[Jeterpool]

Why did Lei Lei disappear?

No idea. He's only missed the last 2 games, and the two before he was on the bench (Rd 23, 24). Before that he got a silly yellow in Rd 20 and was suspended for the F3 Derby.

[Wilso8948]

No idea. He's only missed the last 2 games, and the two before he was on the bench (Rd 23, 24). Before that he got a silly yellow in Rd 20 and was suspended for the F3 Derby.

I wasn't his biggest fan. But he had that point of difference in the final third. I felt we looked a lot more threatening with him starting. Sounds like a fair bit going on behind closed doors regarding potential movements. Maybe they thought that was enough advertisement for him to be moved on?

[Jeterpool]

I wasn't his biggest fan. But he had that point of difference in the final third. I felt we looked a lot more threatening with him starting. Sounds like a fair bit going on behind closed doors regarding potential movements. Maybe they thought that was enough advertisement for him to be moved on?

He's only on a one year deal. If we were going to make any money on him, it was January.

[Wilso8948]

He's only on a one year deal. If we were going to make any money on him, it was January.
Seems odd.

[Jeterpool]

Seems odd.

Perhaps. He hadn't played in a few years after being a fringe player in Portugal. 1 year at the time seemed like a low risk I suppose given our hit-and-miss results signing Vvisa players in the past

[Wilso8948]

More so seemed odd he fell off the radar come back end of the season. Thought he would have been further utilised. There were worse players retained in the starting line-up.

[StannyCFCJET]

More so seemed odd he fell off the radar come back end of the season. Thought he would have been further utilised. There were worse players retained in the starting line-up.

Sums up Jones doesn't it

[evanhayes5]

Leilei shit attitude in training Im leave to believe, similar to that of Clut and Kokko hence why the 3 arent getting a look in.
One training session I watched Leilei took Matteo out pretty badly with a two footer, Jones and some of the boys werent to happy. He(Lei) posted on his instagram that he was leaving like 2 weeks ago

[MFKS]

Leilei shit attitude in training Im leave to believe, similar to that of Clut and Kokko hence why the 3 arent getting a look in.
One training session I watched Leilei took Matteo out pretty badly with a two footer, Jones and some of the boys werent to happy. He(Lei) posted on his instagram that he was leaving like 2 weeks ago

Clut and Kokko have a shit attitude at training??

No can't be their fault

I have been led to believe it is all Mark Jones fault they don't play

Say it isn't so

[The Dunster]

Club needs to be posting player beep test results and using them to determine who plays each week. I wouldn't worry about things like football skills / ability or players natural positions. Just publish those beep tests and take the best 17 each week to form the squad and the best 11 beep test results to provide the starting players.

Shooting, passing and tackling drills are a waste of time. 24/7 beep tests is what it's all about.

[monz6]

Clut and Kokko have a shit attitude at training??

No can't be their fault

I have been led to believe it is all Mark Jones fault they don't play

Say it isn't so

Jones's favourites etc etc

[The Dunster]

Players need to go the extra distance for selection. And as I've told every chick I've been with - the secret to a good hand job is to only use your mouth.

[evanhayes5]

Clut and Kokko have a shit attitude at training??

No can't be their fault

I have been led to believe it is all Mark Jones fault they don't play

Say it isn't so

Wouldnt say Clut has a shit attitude, just dont think he is trying to even get back into the squad.

Kokko is lazy, his work rate, personality and all that. If Im a number 9, the main man to score goals, Im getting mad at players who dont pass me the ball at training, Im putting myself about, getting stuck in. He is to nice, i think a lot of our guys are like that.

[MFKS]

Wouldnt say Clut has a shit attitude, just dont think he is trying to even get back into the squad.

Kokko is lazy, his work rate, personality and all that. If Im a number 9, the main man to score goals, Im getting mad at players who dont pass me the ball at training, Im putting myself about, getting stuck in. He is to nice, i think a lot of our guys are like that.

Need more mongrel??

[The Dunster]

Wouldnt say Clut has a shit attitude, just dont think he is trying to even get back into the squad.

Kokko is lazy, his work rate, personality and all that. If Im a number 9, the main man to score goals, Im getting mad at players who dont pass me the ball at training, Im putting myself about, getting stuck in. He is to nice, i think a lot of our guys are like that.

How people are at training and how they perform on game day are often two different things. Maybe Jones should start selecting the worst people at training because selecting the best certainly hasn't worked for him this season.

[StannyCFCJET]

How people are at training and how they perform on game day are often two different things. Maybe Jones should start selecting the worst people at training because selecting the best certainly hasn't worked for him this season.

Some of the best Football players were lazy trainers but come gameday they shine

[Jetmaster]

Some of the best Football players were lazy trainers but come gameday they shine

This is so true its not funny.....give me a fat (upper body strength) foward who has three touches but scores a goal a game any day. But we pick someone with good engines who runs 69 kms a game and can't score in Fannys.

If training mattered Dougie Walters would never have played cricket for Straya.

[StannyCFCJET]

This is so true its not funny.....give me a fat (upper body strength) foward who has three touches but scores a goal a game any day. But we pick someone with good engines who runs 69 kms a game and can't score in Fannys.

If training mattered Dougie Walters would never have played cricket for Straya.

Look at rugby league Jarryd Hayne is a shit player but some of the stuff he did on the field was out of this world for rugby league. Wasnt R9 a lazy trainer as well?


Edit: Trainer* not shit player (Even though he is a fwit)

[MFKS]

Even if we lose all our games this season now, there will be no change, and to be honest four coaches in two years would be ridiculous.

I think Ledman will give the management team the off season (I trust an increased budget is part of their business plan) to recruit more efficiently, and see how the first 8 weeks pans out.

Lose all our games from 1.317 onwards??

This bloke nostraldamus

What are the Powerballnumbers nect week??

[hawk]

Originally Posted by Jetmaster,
Even if we lose all our games this season now, there will be no change, and to be honest four coaches in two years would be ridiculous.
I think Ledman will give the management team the off season (I trust an increased budget is part of their business plan) to recruit more efficiently, and see how the first 8 weeks pans out.

Ledman got us into this predicament by sacking a good coach. That twat can get us out of it.

[Wilso8948]

Ledman got us into this predicament by sacking a good coach. That twat can get us out of it.
Was he "that" good? Like honest question.

[StannyCFCJET]

Was he "that" good? Like honest question.

Better then anything we'd had since Branko

[Wilso8948]

Why though? I liked the bloke. He did ok. He talked a good talk and man managed well. But was he honestly THAT good of a coach? I consider Arnie, Ange etc level "that" good. Would they have done better then Miller? Hands down yes from me.

[halo se7en]

Considering the article in the herald mentions imminent signings, plus the persistent links with O'Donovan, FBK, plus the signings of Shabow & Georgevski, it would seem as though Jones will see out his second year, otherwise it seems bizarre that we'd make these signings before a new coach comes in.

[Wilso8948]

Considering the article in the herald mentions imminent signings, plus the persistent links with O'Donovan, FBK, plus the signings of Shabow & Georgevski, it would seem as though Jones will see out his second year, otherwise it seems bizarre that we'd make these signings before a new coach comes in.

I agree. I'm not saying it's the right choice in coach. But I do agree with making the decision early and sticking with it.
However it is the Jets. Probs sack the ****er 1 week out.

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

http://http://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/jones-im-not-stupid-458285 (http://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/jones-im-not-stupid-458285)

[StannyCFCJET]

Why though? I liked the bloke. He did ok. He talked a good talk and man managed well. But was he honestly THAT good of a coach? I consider Arnie, Ange etc level "that" good. Would they have done better then Miller? Hands down yes from me.

But we cant get blokes like Arnie and Ange so someone like Miller is the next best thing

[monz6]

But we cant get blokes like Arnie and Ange so someone like Miller is the next best thing

I hope no one (currently or in the future) involved in running our club ever has that attitude. Jones isn't certainly not the fix and appointing him wasn't smart, but that makes my eyes burn reading that

[StannyCFCJET]

I hope no one (currently or in the future) involved in running our club ever has that attitude. Jones isn't certainly not the fix and appointing him wasn't smart, but that makes my eyes burn reading that

We cant get coaches of that level under the FFA maybe under Lee we can but getting someone recommend by Ange wasnt a bad idea

[Jetmaster]

The Dill joins the debate...

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4598525/robert-dillon-sporting-declaration/?cs=305

[StannyCFCJET]

The Dill joins the debate...

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4598525/robert-dillon-sporting-declaration/?cs=305

Another one trying to use the excuse its not Jones squad. Maybe Mckinna was talking out his arse when he said the coach couldnt use that excuse

[lquiquer]

Another one trying to use the excuse its not Jones squad. Maybe Mckinna was talking out his arse when he said the coach couldnt use that excuse

Don't think he is trying to use "not his squad" as an excuse Stanny......All he says are valid facts and makes it quite clear he just sits on the fence

[MFKS]

Another one trying to use the excuse its not Jones squad. Maybe Mckinna was talking out his arse when he said the coach couldnt use that excuse

Yeah but he precisely right

You ****ers are just an internet lynch mob who are making him a scapegoat for the club's failings and the nobodies in our squad not delivering every week

He also right

No **** knows whether he can coach or not.
Next season we will get to see

Plus you once again trying to quote a ****ing Gypo as some type of gospel. FMD

[StannyCFCJET]

Yeah but he precisely right

You ****ers are just an internet lynch mob who are making him a scapegoat for the club's failings and the nobodies in our squad not delivering every week

He also right

No **** knows whether he can coach or not.
Next season we will get to see

Plus you once again trying to quote a ****ing Gypo as some type of gospel. FMD

So what do you call what he was doing this season?? Wasn't it coaching??? If I was a coach and could only coach when it was "My Squad" I wouldn't expect to go very far. Look at Chelsea. Its not Conte's squad but he's used what he's got and is doing wonders.

[MFKS]

So what do you call what he was doing this season?? Wasn't it coaching??? If I was a coach and could only coach when it was "My Squad" I wouldn't expect to go very far. Look at Chelsea. Its not Conte's squad but he's used what he's got and is doing wonders.

Yeah that a good argument.
Conte has come to a side who a year earlier had won the EPL. Then they had a shit year.

It not like he has not accquired competent talented footballers.

So your point is BS

[steve136]

Jones chased games with no strikers on the field and played Mullen at RB. All the evidence I need to know he can't coach.

[The Dunster]

Jones chased games with no strikers on the field and played Mullen at RB. All the evidence I need to know he can't coach.

No matter how Mark Jones shuffled the deck he was always going to be playing with eleven jokers.

[StannyCFCJET]

No matter how Mark Jones shuffled the deck he was always going to be playing with eleven jokers.

Most of those jokers actually played somefootball towards the end under Miller. Hell in the ffa cup this year we outplayed victory

[MFKS]

Most of those jokers actually played somefootball towards the end under Miller. Hell in the ffa cup this year we outplayed victory

They won 1 ****ing game out of their last 6
That was against a NYL strength side too.

Some of you ****s have some delusions of grandeur under Miller.

[hawk]

They won 1 ****ing game out of their last 6
That was against a NYL strength side too.

Some of you ****s have some delusions of grandeur under Miller.

Jones is worse some other twat has grand delusions

[MFKS]

Jones is worse some other twat has grand delusions

I actually base my opinion on efforts in the first 20 weeks of the season

The last 6 are not ****ing good enough.

But unlike some of the people who seem to think our players are great I have no delusions that they are the problem

It is their shitness that has seen our slide as they have capitulated like cowards at the mere thought of having to perform

Can't blame Jones for that

[sammydog]

Yeah that a good argument.
Conte has come to a side who a year earlier had won the EPL. Then they had a shit year.

It not like he has not accquired competent talented footballers.

So your point is BS

If jones thought he was taking on rubbish that couldn't be coached, he shouldn't have taken the job. He knew what he was taking on.

He hasn't done his job, so along with a bunch of players, it's time to go.

If his coaching was good enough to get our shit squad to within touching distance of the top six two months ago, it also needs to shoulder the blame for its colossal capitulation.

[lquiquer]

If jones thought he was taking on rubbish that couldn't be coached, he shouldn't have taken the job. He knew what he was taking on.

He hasn't done his job, so along with a bunch of players, it's time to go.

If his coaching was good enough to get our shit squad to within touching distance of the top six two months ago, it also needs to shoulder the blame for its colossal capitulation.

Jones would have taken on anything just to get the gig.....he's been dreaming about it for 7 years........he got the worse cattle available in the HAL and did what he could .......Now it all comes down to how much $$$$$$$ Mr Lee willing to spend......

[hawk]

I actually base my opinion on efforts in the first 20 weeks of the season

The last 6 are not ****ing good enough.

But unlike some of the people who seem to think our players are great I have no delusions that they are the problem

It is their shitness that has seen our slide as they have capitulated like cowards at the mere thought of having to perform

Can't blame Jones for that

Yes we can and we are. Of course the team isnt great but, Jones is rubbish. No amount of sympathising will change minds

[StannyCFCJET]

I actually base my opinion on efforts in the first 20 weeks of the season

The last 6 are not ****ing good enough.

But unlike some of the people who seem to think our players are great I have no delusions that they are the problem

It is their shitness that has seen our slide as they have capitulated like cowards at the mere thought of having to perform

Can't blame Jones for that

Then something obliviously happned and Jones lack of man mangement was found out

[MFKS]

Then something obliviously happned and Jones lack of man mangement was found out

This ain't a computer game.
Man Management what a pile of shit you spruiking


These shit ****s were making the same ****ed up mistakes prior to the last 6 weeks.

It is just now that they have given up the ghost as they have no ability and no heart.

That got nothing to do with Jones

[StannyCFCJET]

This ain't a computer game.
Man Management what a pile of shit you spruiking


These shit ****s were making the same ****ed up mistakes prior to the last 6 weeks.

It is just now that they have given up the ghost as they have no ability and no heart.

That got nothing to do with Jones

You dont think Man management is a thing WOW.

[MFKS]

You dont think Man management is a thing WOW.

No I just don't think running a football team is based on same aspects as playing a computer game which you do

[turbojetfireV8]

even Graham Arnold banged on there a while back about seeking advice from people like Wayne Bennett and other successful team managers in the past to help him with his man management skills to get the most out of his players, and I would hazard a guess that Paul Okon is better at it than Mark Jones simply from watching their respective teams play, the way ours just drops its collective heads is a sign of that, part of that loss of heart is a lack of confidence in the structure and tactics too, if they believed the gameplan was good enough surely they'd be fighting till the final whistle, either the gameplan isn't good enough or the coach has failed to sell it to them, maybe both (unless of course you are telling me player for player the Gyppos are in fact a better team than us...) :sparring::popcorn:

[MFKS]

even Graham Arnold banged on there a while back about seeking advice from people like Wayne Bennett and other successful team managers in the past to help him with his man management skills to get the most out of his players, and I would hazard a guess that Paul Okon is better at it than Mark Jones simply from watching their respective teams play, the way ours just drops its collective heads is a sign of that, part of that loss of heart is a lack of confidence in the structure and tactics too, if they believed the gameplan was good enough surely they'd be fighting till the final whistle, either the gameplan isn't good enough or the coach has failed to sell it to them, maybe both (unless of course you are telling me player for player the Gyppos are in fact a better team than us...) :sparring::popcorn:

I believe our players are mentally piss weak

Other than Hoffman the Newy lads are the worst of the lot.

Hoffman may well be average but he trying every week

As for the rest of them no heart

[The Dunster]

even Graham Arnold banged on there a while back about seeking advice from people like Wayne Bennett and other successful team managers in the past to help him with his man management skills to get the most out of his players, and I would hazard a guess that Paul Okon is better at it than Mark Jones simply from watching their respective teams play, the way ours just drops its collective heads is a sign of that, part of that loss of heart is a lack of confidence in the structure and tactics too, if they believed the gameplan was good enough surely they'd be fighting till the final whistle, either the gameplan isn't good enough or the coach has failed to sell it to them, maybe both (unless of course you are telling me player for player the Gyppos are in fact a better team than us...) :sparring::popcorn:

Jets vs Mariners. Who do the Jets have comparable to O'Donavan, Montgomery, and Ferreira ?
Blaming Jones for our players being mentally weak a-league impostors is ridiculous as well.
Few if any of these players are going to be snapped up by any top six clubs let alone the top four.
Jones may not be the answer but he's certainly not the problem either.
The problem is we pay too much for players who either have not proven themselves or for those that have their best days behind them.
The new owner though seems to have improved things somewhat. When Hoole wanted to haggle - I think pulling the offer from the table was brilliant - and if that sort of thing was happening in the past the club would be in a much netter position than it is now.
If that type of thing ruffled players feathers then great - it simply tells us right away they are not the type of players we need here at the Jets.

[turbojetfireV8]

Point taken Dunster, but Arnold obviously held the bloke in enough esteem to want to take his advice, personally have 0 interest in that code or AFL, but Arnold was obviously interested in improving his own skills as a team leader hence why he sought out people he thought would be useful (don't remember who else he mentioned but perhaps Ange and an AFL coach at the top end of their field)

Back to the other point: So Jones is now allowed to hide behind the excuse that the players are all uncoachable, even the ones he gave contracts and extensions to? His golden boys of Koutroumbis and Jackson have been at the forefront of those making unforced errors of late (JK didn't play last week true, but the past few weeks before he was definitely sub par). Giving Jones another year to reinforce the fact he cannot motivate Jack Schitt is definitely settling for mediocrity at its lowest ebb, even good players will underperform in that kind of environment.

He has to go now, rather than give him another twelve months to prove he really really really is not the coach to revitalise Newcastle's flagship... shit, McKinna would be doing a better job than him at this point if he was coach... :D

[The Dunster]

Point taken Dunster, but Arnold obviously held the bloke in enough esteem to want to take his advice, personally have 0 interest in that code or AFL, but Arnold was obviously interested in improving his own skills as a team leader hence why he sought out people he thought would be useful (don't remember who else he mentioned but perhaps Ange and an AFL coach at the top end of their field)

Back to the other point: So Jones is now allowed to hide behind the excuse that the players are all uncoachable, even the ones he gave contracts and extensions to? His golden boys of Koutroumbis and Jackson have been at the forefront of those making unforced errors of late (JK didn't play last week true, but the past few weeks before he was definitely sub par). Giving Jones another year to reinforce the fact he cannot motivate Jack Schitt is definitely settling for mediocrity at its lowest ebb, even good players will under-perform in that kind of environment.

He has to go now, rather than give him another twelve months to prove he really really really is not the coach to revitalise Newcastle's flagship... shit, McKinna would be doing a better job than him at this point if he was coach... :D

I don't think Jones is the answer either. But until the club gets rid of the many ridiculously over paid players on the roster I can't see the point in replacing him.
Bringing in a new coach no matter how good / experienced won't make a lot of difference. Even if we clear out 12 players we still have that many again left who are not up to standard.
That means the players you bring in are going to be constrained by not only a lack of talent around them - but also by knowing full well that the shit surrounding them is probably on more money than they are.
How on earth will the new players feel motivated when they are getting paid less money than players around them who are clearly inferior to them ?

This is why I would clean up the mess first with Jones in charge. If he can perform a miracle he can stay. But if he doesn't then we bring in someone with a strong coaching pedigree who can get the job done - without having to deal with over paid players like Jones is currently having to contend with.

[StannyCFCJET]

If Jones stays club membership will be at an all time low and gamedays will be almost like a graveyard

[The Dunster]

If Jones stays club membership will be at an all time low and gamedays will be almost like a graveyard

Do you honestly think anyone with any pedigree in coaching would even want Mark Jones' job ? Given the current situation with players and the lack of resources compared to the top teams only people on the bottom of the coaching ranks would even bother applying for the job. I mean Coaching the Coast is a better gig simply because they don't have shit players on more money than they are worth like the jets do.

I mean lets lift the price of memberships at the Jets to $10k a season and see how serious you khunts are about actually winning ?

Silence all around no doubt.

But if 1000 people chipped that much in the club could buy two marquees - good ones as well.

And that's just it really - We want a successful team but none of us are willing to throw money into the hat to make it happen. Instead we just blame coaches and players.

[turbojetfireV8]

If Lee seriously wants to contend for an ACL place in the next two-three years he has to start spending now and start building towards a half decent team, in which case Jones has to go regardless, he has no place in a team trying to rebuild, his appointment is symptomatic of the jobs for the boys half-assed signings that have seen us reach the point we are currently at, even worse he has turned them from being half competent to being totally shit, that cannot be tolerated

[StannyCFCJET]

If Jones Stays just give us the Wooden Spoon again and again and again

[boz-monaut]

countdown starts now

I reckon the axe won't come until within a month of the new season

[belchardo]

don't let the door hit you on the way out chump.

[The Dunster]

countdown starts now

I reckon the axe won't come until within a month of the new season

But who would even want his job ? I cannot see anyone wanting to risk their reputation on this club. At best we will end up with another rookie or a coach who once did well but has been a complete failure in recent years.

[parksey]

But who would even want his job ? I cannot see anyone wanting to risk their reputation on this club. At best we will end up with another rookie or a coach who once did well but has been a complete failure in recent years.

If we offer enough money any coach would.

[The Dunster]

If we offer enough money any coach would.

Too bad we don't have an owner with pockets that deep. We will be restricted once again to never has been or has been Australian coaches.
And then he has the problem of trying to create harmony in a dressing room whereby the highest paid players are the worst performers.
Simply no chance anyone will want the job until the shit has been cleaned off the roster - and that's going to take another season more to do.

[parksey]

We ? How many million are you going to chip in Parksey ?

You know i have nothing, ask Hawk

[The Dunster]

You know i have nothing, ask Hawk

Mr Lee won't have much either if he starts throwing it into this football club.

[plague]

Good season boys.

[MFKS]

Actually must say this is perfect
This implosion from the Jets has actually put Ledman in as bad a position to act as I think we could have hoped for.

Now it is time to wait and see what the Chinese Lightsalesman is going to do.

It almost impossible for him to not put into this club now

[StannyCFCJET]

Actually must say this is perfect
This implosion from the Jets has actually put Ledman in as bad a position to act as I think we could have hoped for.

Now it is time to wait and see what the Chinese Lightsalesman is going to do.

It almost impossible for him to not put into this club now

You know what I actually agree with you whadda know

[MFKS]

Good season boys.

Thanks you Plastic fans

[weston]

1424

We did it. I thought we would be there or thereabouts come the end of the season, though mid season I was starting to believe we wouldn't achieve. But we did. Another spoon for Newcastle. Job well done Jones.

[parksey]

Mr Lee won't have much either if he starts throwing it into this football club.

Well he's making all the right noises.

[plague]

Thanks you Plastic fans

I'll be at Tokyo FC v Uruwa Reds tomorrow, already feel more connected to those teams than the stinking Jets.
You make sure you enjoy that spoon my brother.
See you next season if I can be bothered (or if the Jets start going good).

[hawk]

Actually must say this is perfect
This implosion from the Jets has actually put Ledman in as bad a position to act as I think we could have hoped for.

Now it is time to wait and see what the Chinese Lightsalesman is going to do.

It almost impossible for him to not put into this club now

Why should he do anything? He might be happy with owning a team despite results whilst furthing Aust business interests. Bit like Tinks.

Now the Plastics are fantastics. The *wooden spoon lovers* ie yoself might be in for a sore ride.

*spooners - will follow and love accept coming last. mfks is their leader

[MFKS]

Why should he do anything? He might be happy with owning a team despite results whilst furthing Aust business interests. Bit like Tinks.

Now the Plastics are fantastics. The *wooden spoon lovers* ie yoself might be in for a sore ride.

*spooners - will follow and love accept coming last. mfks is their leader
:rof:
Gee your trying too hard to stir me now aren't you??

[lquiquer]

mfks is their leader

We r the Jets......there are no leaders...:lulz:

[steve136]

Enjoy the months of speculation about decent players we'll sign, only to start the next season with basically the same squad as this season.

I'll be back too when we win 5 in a row.

[lquiquer]

I'll be back too when we win 5 in a row.

U realize we need to score at least 5 goals

[hawk]

:rof:

[StannyCFCJET]

http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/article/club-statement-newcastle-jets-part-ways-with-mark-jones/py2x8hbvlzr11678sxiq2k4h9

Hello Member your boys gone.

[Jeterpool]

/thread

[Roundball Enthusiast]

WE DID IT BOYS - http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/article/club-statement-newcastle-jets-part-ways-with-mark-jones/py2x8hbvlzr11678sxiq2k4h9

[6ft11]

And good riddance!!!

[Jeterpool]

Credit where it's due to the club, they've acted decisively and allowed plenty of time for the next appointment

[turbojetfireV8]

he'll get a good payout, so everyone's happy I'd say

[StannyCFCJET]

Credit where it's due to the club, they've acted decisively and allowed plenty of time for the next appointment

That was my thoughts as well Mr Lee as acted quick. Maybe he actually has big plans for the Jets

[steve136]

SCREW 5 WINS WE DID IT! FOZ COMES UP BIG AGAIN.

Quick start a new thread with who we want the new guy to be an Chinese Light salesman will comply.

[Jeterpool]

SCREW 5 WINS WE DID IT! FOZ COMES UP BIG AGAIN.

Quick start a new thread with who we want the new guy to be an Chinese Light salesman will comply.

Shortest rage quit in foz history

[steve136]

Shortest rage quit in foz history

:rof:

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Can someone please go and check on The Member? Wouldn't want anything bad to happen to him...

[MFKS]

http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/article/club-statement-newcastle-jets-part-ways-with-mark-jones/py2x8hbvlzr11678sxiq2k4h9

Hello Member your boys gone.

My boy??

How little you know what's going on. I been having a great time the last few months

Do I give a **** for Jones ??
No

I actually hoped that for once this club would actually show some spine and seek stability

All this is the same typical useless shit from the club that is really to be expected.

Let's just all enjoy the next six months of hope until we can all unite in the lynch next mother ****er thread

Stability Patience Planning ain't in the Jets vocabulary

Short term fix is all that is required

[Mark325]

just cause Jones is gone dont mean shit, if we replace Jones with someone who has equally as little experience, equally as few contacts to get quality players in and no man management skills then we're in the same spot

the club has a chance here to actually do something of value, not go the cheap route and actually sign a good manager who we can actually invest in for the next few seasons moving forward

[The Camel]

just cause Jones is gone dont mean shit, if we replace Jones with someone who has equally as little experience, equally as few contacts to get quality players in and no man management skills then we're in the same spot

the club has a chance here to actually do something of value, not go the cheap route and actually sign a good manager who we can actually invest in for the next few seasons moving forward

The only person in football in the same sphere as Jones in shitness all round is Stubbins. Anyone else in world football is an improvement

[MFKS]

The only person in football in the same sphere as Jones in shitness all round is Stubbins. Anyone else in world football is an improvement

I hope our next manager doesn't prove you wrong

[Mark325]

The only person in football in the same sphere as Jones in shitness all round is Stubbins. Anyone else in world football is an improvement

that's true, but i want an improvement that will get us into the 6, not between 9-7

[evanhayes5]

apparently didnt even speak to the boys after the game yesterday, just grabbed his stuff and left to do the press conference and went wherever

[Grimario]

My boy??

How little you know what's going on. I been having a great time the last few months

Do I give a **** for Jones ??
No

I actually hoped that for once this club would actually show some spine and seek stability

All this is the same typical useless shit from the club that is really to be expected.

Let's just all enjoy the next six months of hope until we can all unite in the lynch next mother ****er thread

Stability Patience Planning ain't in the Jets vocabulary

Short term fix is all that is required

So you are an advocate of getting rid of 15 players because they are shit but also an advocate of stability?



The butthurt in you is strong.

[borat]

Goodbye to the worst coach in Jets history. Single handedly destroyed a team, turning them from finals aspirants with an unbeaten pre-season to wooden spooners.

Had no defensive structure, no decipherable tactics other than long ball, played favourites often out of position, froze out promising players, and when the pressure started to mount swapped players weekly. Constantly focussed on 2-3 games ahead rather than the game infront of him and was deluded in what he saw out of games.

There was good reason why Con refused to give him the top job and why he was unsuccessful in every head coach position he applied for the last 10 years. It took a rookie CEO who was his mate to give him a job the no one else ever would.

Jones might be a nice bloke, he might have all the uefa licenses and he might be a local, but he isn't a head coach at HAL level, never was and never will be.

A decent CEO would never have cut recruitment down to 2 weeks in spite of employing an experienced coach. An interim coach should have been appointed and an actual recruitment process undertaken, let alone employing your mate.

The damage that this season has caused to members, supporters and likely overs that had to be spent to attract anyone to come play for Jones, will be felt for years to come.

[borat]

So you are an advocate of getting rid of 15 players because they are shit but also an advocate of stability?



The butthurt in you is strong.

No fair judgement can be made on any player who was forced to play under an incompetent like Jones.

[borat]

Wish there was a way we can just fast forward to the part where Jones gets the sack. It's going to happen, probably this year, so if we could just get it over with sooner would be great.

For the record

[StannyCFCJET]

Goodbye to the worst coach in Jets history. Single handedly destroyed a team, turning them from finals aspirants with an unbeaten pre-season to wooden spooners.

Had no defensive structure, no decipherable tactics other than long ball, played favourites often out of position, froze out promising players, and when the pressure started to mount swapped players weekly. Constantly focussed on 2-3 games ahead rather than the game infront of him and was deluded in what he saw out of games.

There was good reason why Con refused to give him the top job and why he was unsuccessful in every head coach position he applied for the last 10 years. It took a rookie CEO who was his mate to give him a job the no one else ever would.

Jones might be a nice bloke, he might have all the uefa licenses and he might be a local, but he isn't a head coach at HAL level, never was and never will be.

A decent CEO would never have cut recruitment down to 2 weeks in spite of employing an experienced coach. An interim coach should have been appointed and an actual recruitment process undertaken, let alone employing your mate.

The damage that this season has caused to members, supporters and likely overs that had to be spent to attract anyone to come play for Jones, will be felt for years to come.

Well said

[MFKS]

So you are an advocate of getting rid of 15 players because they are shit but also an advocate of stability?



The butthurt in you is strong.

None of our players are at elite HAL level

Being coached by Jones Muppet or GVE or whoever they still shit.

You see that shit yesterday from Ugarkovic.
Gets passed the ball mid way into Smurfs half with no one on him

Doesn't play forward
Doesn't play sideways

But plays backwards to Jackson

Jackson slips over as he shits himself at the prospect of the ball coming his way.

That is the shit out players do
Regularly.

Not just once every 10 weeks like other clubs but at Jets every ****ing week some **** has a brain fade and costs us

Your the one actually backing mediocrity by dismissing the players failures the last few weeks as Jones fault.

They failed because vthey are shit

[WolfMan]

just cause Jones is gone dont mean shit, if we replace Jones with someone who has equally as little experience, equally as few contacts to get quality players in and no man management skills then we're in the same spot

the club has a chance here to actually do something of value, not go the cheap route and actually sign a good manager who we can actually invest in for the next few seasons moving forward
Bang on

[Grimario]

They failed because vthey are shit

So were they not shit when they were succeeding?

[furns]

None of our players are at elite HAL level

Being coached by Jones Muppet or GVE or whoever they still shit.

You see that shit yesterday from Ugarkovic.
Gets passed the ball mid way into Smurfs half with no one on him

Doesn't play forward
Doesn't play sideways

But plays backwards to Jackson

Jackson slips over as he shits himself at the prospect of the ball coming his way.

That is the shit out players do
Regularly.

Not just once every 10 weeks like other clubs but at Jets every ****ing week some **** has a brain fade and costs us

Your the one actually backing mediocrity by dismissing the players failures the last few weeks as Jones fault.

They failed because vthey are shitthen we get a coach that trains that shit out of them, if it doesn't work they don't play. That was my major issue with MJ, the players showed little improvement and most went backwards, rarely got dropped for poor form and few if any were motivated by coaching staff to turn their form around.