2019 National Premier League thread

[Negative Police]

What about an Edgy and Westy merger as Cameron Park Blue Eagles

Needs a bigger name for a big club. Western Northern

[spamg172]

:rof:
The Slighties

I'm hanging out for the Broadmeadow/Adamstown Joint venture so they can be the Magic Buds.

[Hunter403]

I'm hanging out for the Broadmeadow/Adamstown Joint venture so they can be the Magic Buds.

mmmm magic buds....:woo:

[londonboy]

https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/6515134/northern-nsw-npl-returns-to-five-team-finals-system/?cs=6188

"THE Northern NSW NPL finals series will return to a five-team format of one-off matches in 2020"

[hamburgler]

https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/6515134/northern-nsw-npl-returns-to-five-team-finals-system/?cs=6188

"THE Northern NSW NPL finals series will return to a five-team format of one-off matches in 2020"

18 competition games is not enough for an elite competition

[MFKS]

18 competition games is not enough for an elite competition

It isn't an elite comp

[Goatscheese]

https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/6515134/northern-nsw-npl-returns-to-five-team-finals-system/?cs=6188

"THE Northern NSW NPL finals series will return to a five-team format of one-off matches in 2020"

Should just scrap finals all together play each other three times and have 27 rounds. 1st at the end takes all.

[Negative Police]

Should just scrap finals all together play each other three times and have 27 rounds. 1st at the end takes all.

For sure. Only issues are
season would be over for 3/4 teams by half way. Although Might have to prepare better next time
grounds for extended season. cricket wont budge, upkeep of grounds
midweek fixtures. In the report NNSW said clubs found it difficult setting up mid week fixtures.
Cost for clubs for extra games, player payments

[MFKS]

For sure. Only issues are
season would be over for 3/4 teams by half way. Although Might have to prepare better next time
grounds for extended season. cricket wont budge, upkeep of grounds
midweek fixtures. In the report NNSW said clubs found it difficult setting up mid week fixtures.
Cost for clubs for extra games, player payments
Jaffa's Magic Edgy Lakes Azzurri Rosebuds Maitland Weston all have grounds that have **** all to do with cricket

Olympic and Valo have what carpet pitches on the side so I don't see how that can't be worked around as they don't play all weekend there

[Negative Police]

Jaffa's Magic Edgy Lakes Azzurri Rosebuds Maitland Weston all have grounds that have **** all to do with cricket

Olympic and Valo have what carpet pitches on the side so I don't see how that can't be worked around as they don't play all weekend there

I put that one point in for you to have a rant over.

How about you step aside for the others who are in the know.

[Goatscheese]

For sure. Only issues are
season would be over for 3/4 teams by half way. Although Might have to prepare better next time
grounds for extended season. cricket wont budge, upkeep of grounds
midweek fixtures. In the report NNSW said clubs found it difficult setting up mid week fixtures.
Cost for clubs for extra games, player payments

Firstly cricket can go **** themselves, but secondly part of the requirement to have an NPL licence is that they have access to the grounds year round. Surely Northern aren't allowing clubs to stay in the NPL without meeting the criteria. Though how many NPL clubs do share their grounds with cricket? And which ones?

You would hope the teams would prepare better if they knew they had to fight for the entire way bring in promotion/relegation and even those towards the bottom would have to keep fighting.

Yeah additional costs, hopefully they can recoup the cost of hosting, as for player payments, if all clubs have to pay less per game but the same over the year won't have too much of a change, players will still play.


Olympic and Valo have what carpet pitches on the side so I don't see how that can't be worked around as they don't play all weekend there

The cricket associations tend to claim they need it all weekend even if it is never used.

[MFKS]

I put that one point in for you to have a rant over.

How about you step aside for the others who are in the know.
Considering 80% of clubs have no issues with cricket and the other 2 don't have that big of an issue then maybe you should bring up some points with some relevance for a change

[Swanky]

Jaffa's Magic Edgy Lakes Azzurri Rosebuds Maitland Weston all have grounds that have **** all to do with cricket

Olympic and Valo have what carpet pitches on the side so I don't see how that can't be worked around as they don't play all weekend there

Olympic don’t have cricket on their pitch it was gone last season. They played last season with a fixed fence on the far side.

[Hurricane]

Olympic don’t have cricket on their pitch it was gone last season. They played last season with a fixed fence on the far side.

The only club who has a cricket pitch at their ground is Valentine

[Johnno]

The only club who has a cricket pitch at their ground is Valentine

And they shouldn’t be in the comp based on a lot of Northern so called criteria.

[Hurricane]

And they shouldn’t be in the comp based on a lot of Northern so called criteria.
Something we finally agree on Johnno

[Captain_Carl]

Something we finally agree on Johnno

So Johnno and Hurricane please tell me about Valentine’s submission. You have obviously both seen it and you can tell us firstly all of the assessment criteria and how they scored in each section. Northern were satisfied with it so please explain their shortcomings. My guess is however neither of you have a clue of Northern’s criteria so probably best you both keep your ignorant and misinformed opinions to yourself.

[Hurricane]

So Johnno and Hurricane please tell me about Valentine’s submission. You have obviously both seen it and you can tell us firstly all of the assessment criteria and how they scored in each section. Northern were satisfied with it so please explain their shortcomings. My guess is however neither of you have a clue of Northern’s criteria so probably best you both keep your ignorant and misinformed opinions to yourself.

Not a fenced in ground.
Shared facility with cricket.
Can't host night games as lights aren't up to standard so they move to Cahill or The Facility.
Changerooms are ridiculous
Where do you want to begin Captain Obvious

[Captain_Carl]

Not a fenced in ground.
Shared facility with cricket.
Can't host night games as lights aren't up to standard so they move to Cahill or The Facility.
Changerooms are ridiculous
Where do you want to begin Captain Obvious

Okay so according to Northern’s NPL licence criteria can you please explain to me if those things you mentioned are indeed part of the criteria and if so what percentage they represent? And no, not your opinion of what you believe the criteria to be but the actual criteria as set out by Northern. So many people in this forum believe they know the criteria but I challenge you to contact the person in your club who was responsible for the NPL licence submission and find out what the actual criteria is. You may be surprised that some of you know-it-alls actually don’t know that much at all.

[Captain Obvious]

Where do you want to begin Captain Obvious
I am not the one in this conversation. You should direct your questions to Captain_Carl.

[Bull fighter]

Okay so according to Northern’s NPL licence criteria can you please explain to me if those things you mentioned are indeed part of the criteria and if so what percentage they represent? And no, not your opinion of what you believe the criteria to be but the actual criteria as set out by Northern. So many people in this forum believe they know the criteria but I challenge you to contact the person in your club who was responsible for the NPL licence submission and find out what the actual criteria is. You may be surprised that some of you know-it-alls actually don’t know that much at all.

The only thing that matters is if you are accepted into the competition by NNSWF full stop. Don't let them get to you Captain. They probably have no idea of council plans that will see Valentine with not 1 but 2 brand new state of art facilities in the very near future.

[Johnno]

The only thing that matters is if you are accepted into the competition by NNSWF full stop. Don't let them get to you Captain. They probably have no idea of council plans that will see Valentine with not 1 but 2 brand new state of art facilities in the very near future.

Well captain I am fully aware of what the criteria is as assisted in completing the submission for the club I am involved with. And as has been stated in this thread there are a number of glaring anomalies that your club does not meet in the main grandstand that can seat 500 people, 200 lux minimum lighting to accommodate night fixtures, a fenced rectangular ground, adequate change rooms to seat minimum 16 people, public amenities that are within the fenced facility, should I go on?

[ForeverRed]

You need a pass out to go to the loo, ridiculous

[Bull fighter]

Well captain I am fully aware of what the criteria is as assisted in completing the submission for the club I am involved with. And as has been stated in this thread there are a number of glaring anomalies that your club does not meet in the main grandstand that can seat 500 people, 200 lux minimum lighting to accommodate night fixtures, a fenced rectangular ground, adequate change rooms to seat minimum 16 people, public amenities that are within the fenced facility, should I go on?

I’m not Captain but will gladly point out you are incorrect on 3 points but hey don’t let the truth get in the way.
No such thing as Grandstand mentioned in criteria.
Covered seating for 200✔️
Rectangular field temporary fence in middle deemed adequate by NNSWF as has been used by Hamilton for many years✔️
Seating for 16 provided in dressing sheds✔️

[EH9]

Seating for 16 provided in dressing sheds✔️

Must be 8 in each dressing shed.

[Hurricane]

Must be 8 in each dressing shed.

It's a junior ground remember, so you would possibly fit 16 seated 8 year olds in each shed

[Bull fighter]

Very nasty people

[Hurricane]

Very nasty people

Come on Bull , do you honestly believe that you can fit 16 seated first grade players in those change rooms?

[Johnno]

You need a pass out to go to the loo, ridiculous

You’d now Red your former club Southy didn’t get a licence for pretty similar deficiencies

[Negative Police]

Considering 80% of clubs have no issues with cricket and the other 2 don't have that big of an issue then maybe you should bring up some points with some relevance for a change

Repeat...I put the cricket comment in for you to go mental over. It worked. I knew youd miss the other valid pts after that.

Once again. Step aside and let the real football knowledge take place. Thanks Steptoe.

[Negative Police]

Not that NNSW will enact on the promotion relegation thingy end of next year but is it possible to go down when not finishing last?

Im sure financials could be a cause but this criteria seems to controversial to throw a team down.

[Texas Ranger]

I’m not Captain but will gladly point out you are incorrect on 3 points but hey don’t let the truth get in the way.
No such thing as Grandstand mentioned in criteria.
Covered seating for 200✔️
Rectangular field temporary fence in middle deemed adequate by NNSWF as has been used by Hamilton for many years✔️
Seating for 16 provided in dressing sheds✔️
Sorry for being a bit pedantic, but you said you would point out 3 incorrect points. It looks like only the 500 seat grandstand as opposed to the 200 covered seating is a point of difference. What are the other 2 issues? Rectangular fence and 16 seat change room/dressing shed sounded the same to me.

[ForeverRed]

You’d now Red your former club Southy didn’t get a licence for pretty similar deficiencies
Incorrect, got relegated through lack of points and you didn’t need a pass out to piss

[Bull fighter]

Sorry for being a bit pedantic, but you said you would point out 3 incorrect points. It looks like only the 500 seat grandstand as opposed to the 200 covered seating is a point of difference. What are the other 2 issues? Rectangular fence and 16 seat change room/dressing shed sounded the same to me.

Quote from Johnno - ''a number of glaring anomalies that your club does not meet in the main grandstand that can seat 500 people, 200 lux minimum lighting to accommodate night fixtures, a fenced rectangular ground, adequate change rooms to seat minimum 16 people''

Grandstand is completely incorrect & not meeting criteria on other 2 is also incorrect.
I can assure there is 16 per dressing room with hooks above, visitors room granted is a little small but the criteria is met on this point. ✔️
NNSWF said they would accept portable fencing down the middle and class it as rectangular fenced field so criteria met on this one as well. ✔️
Hope this clears up any confusion.
Doesn’t matter what anyone thinks NNSWF have the rubber stamp,
I am hearing that 2020 will possibly be the last season out of this venue with work on the new grounds and facilities most likely commencing at the end of the season. You all would understand with this being imminent the club is very reluctant to invest in a structure that soon will be demolished. Yes lights are an issue now but will be remedied with new works.

[Texas Ranger]

Quote from Johnno - ''a number of glaring anomalies that your club does not meet in the main grandstand that can seat 500 people, 200 lux minimum lighting to accommodate night fixtures, a fenced rectangular ground, adequate change rooms to seat minimum 16 people''

Grandstand is completely incorrect & not meeting criteria on other 2 is also incorrect.
I can assure there is 16 per dressing room with hooks above, visitors room granted is a little small but the criteria is met on this point. ✔️
NNSWF said they would accept portable fencing down the middle and class it as rectangular fenced field so criteria met on this one as well. ✔️
Hope this clears up any confusion.
Doesn’t matter what anyone thinks NNSWF have the rubber stamp,
I am hearing that 2020 will possibly be the last season out of this venue with work on the new grounds and facilities most likely commencing at the end of the season. You all would understand with this being imminent the club is very reluctant to invest in a structure that soon will be demolished. Yes lights are an issue now but will be remedied with new works.
Fair enough. I was reading it as a disagreement on the list of criteria rather than whether or not they met the criteria.
Not for me to judge if ground is satisfactory, but hope it is or at least improves as well as performances across all grades. The competition needs strong all round teams to keep improving, and help rather than criticism to get or keep all teams up there.

[anfield]

The criteria thing is rubbish, team's in every division should be promoted and relegated by what happens on the park. Just like everywhere else around the world. It should be up to councils and NNSW to provide facilities for clubs that Earn the right to play top division football.

[Stanley]

The only thing that matters is if you are accepted into the competition by NNSWF full stop. Don't let them get to you Captain. They probably have no idea of council plans that will see Valentine with not 1 but 2 brand new state of art facilities in the very near future.

Well put them in the comp in the very near future. We all know how Council work, very near future could be any time in the next 50years

[Stanley]

The criteria thing is rubbish, team's in every division should be promoted and relegated by what happens on the park. Just like everywhere else around the world. It should be up to councils and NNSW to provide facilities for clubs that Earn the right to play top division football.

Half right, as for NNSW and Council providing facilities to clubs, you have to be joking, that's the clubs responsibility. Look at Edgeworth, they have taken a community facility to the next level and Magic have developed a facility from scratch. How ironic the clubs achieving off the field are also doing it on the field.

[Bull fighter]

Well put them in the comp in the very near future. We all know how Council work, very near future could be any time in the next 50years

Direct from the council website "Works are expected to commence in 2018-19." we are only 2 years behind schedule Stanley, have faith brother.

[Hurricane]

Half right, as for NNSW and Council providing facilities to clubs, you have to be joking, that's the clubs responsibility. Look at Edgeworth, they have taken a community facility to the next level and Magic have developed a facility from scratch. How ironic the clubs achieving off the field are also doing it on the field.

Agree and disagree here Stanley. Definite kudos to Edgeworth and Magic for what they have done. But what has been done at other clubs where councils have built grandstands etc.
Weston , Lake Macquarie, recently Adamstown, what has changed at these grounds in 30 years ??

[anfield]

Half right, as for NNSW and Council providing facilities to clubs, you have to be joking, that's the clubs responsibility. Look at Edgeworth, they have taken a community facility to the next level and Magic have developed a facility from scratch. How ironic the clubs achieving off the field are also doing it on the field.

Sure the club committees put in the hard work, but essentially councils provide maintenance on grounds and facilities on lots of grounds. There is more to nnsw football then edgeworth and magic

[The Magician]

Sure the club committees put in the hard work, but essentially councils provide maintenance on grounds and facilities on lots of grounds. There is more to nnsw football then edgeworth and magic

Council hasn' t supplied a bag of fertiliser at Magic Park since the first season of the W League back in 2008, and that was to repair damage their workers had done top dressing the ground and gouging the field with their drag mat prior to the girls kicking off... must have been a sign for the Super Cars to come... adding to that... Council has never even changed a washer at Magic Park... dont bring Magic into conversations about councils providing for the football community. It is insulting to our club volunteers.

[Hunter403]

The criteria thing is rubbish, team's in every division should be promoted and relegated by what happens on the park. Just like everywhere else around the world. It should be up to councils and NNSW to provide facilities for clubs that Earn the right to play top division football.

Council, at least in LM, are very proscritive about what clubs can and can't do on Council owned land. Having sat on a club committee, I am well aware that Council has its agenda or plan. I know that Council forbade some works that NNSW wanted done for NPL application.

As for Magic's ground, it's my understanding that the ground is not Council controlled but comes under the same authority as McDonald Jones. Coukd be wrong, but that's what I've been told.

[Stanley]

Sure the club committees put in the hard work, but essentially councils provide maintenance on grounds and facilities on lots of grounds. There is more to nnsw football then edgeworth and magic

Again half right, Council do provide maintenance on Council owned grounds to a level satisfactory for community involvement, Edgeworth and Magic have taken their grounds beyond a community facility and to Magic's credit and from what I understand without any assistance.

[anfield]

The whole debate has been lost.
My debate is simple.
NPL
Adamstown- Relegated
Cooks Hill- Promoted

New Fm
Mayfield- Promoted from ZPL
Toronto- Relegated to ZPL

Pretty simple, let the results determine who goes up and down.
Furthermore if the team that comes up to new fm, in this case Mayfield is deemed to have a unsatisfactory home ground. Then the association works with the council to solve the issue.

Possibly that team plays elsewhere if it's a MAJOR problem. All I was getting at that club's shouldn't get punished for having a ground that is below par in terms of promotion.

[YewYew]

Pretty simple, let the results determine who goes up and down.
Furthermore if the team that comes up to new fm, in this case Mayfield is deemed to have a unsatisfactory home ground. Then the association works with the council to solve the issue.

Possibly that team plays elsewhere if it's a MAJOR problem. All I was getting at that club's shouldn't get punished for having a ground that is below par in terms of promotion.

100% agree on this. Grounds cant be reason teams don’t go up, especially when these grounds are ALL owned by Council!! Yeah, some clubs put in more work than others on grounds but painting and mowing ain’t enough. Teams good enough go up, garbage teams go down. Simples

[Beppe]

The whole debate has been lost.
My debate is simple.
NPL
Adamstown- Relegated
Cooks Hill- Promoted

New Fm
Mayfield- Promoted from ZPL
Toronto- Relegated to ZPL

Pretty simple, let the results determine who goes up and down.
Furthermore if the team that comes up to new fm, in this case Mayfield is deemed to have a unsatisfactory home ground. Then the association works with the council to solve the issue.

Possibly that team plays elsewhere if it's a MAJOR problem. All I was getting at that club's shouldn't get punished for having a ground that is below par in terms of promotion.

I agree with this, its the way it should be. Only thing i will say, at the end it shouldn't matter how good or bad the facilities are, promote and relegate regardless. Magic Edgy Olympic facilities have been built over decades, a team like mayfield should play out of their home ground, improve facilities where they can with council assistance, if their facilities remain poor, players wont play there and they will get relegated. someone else will take their place. Yes some games will be played on poor surfaces, but that still happens in the NPL today.

[The Hacker]

I agree with this, its the way it should be. Only thing i will say, at the end it shouldn't matter how good or bad the facilities are, promote and relegate regardless. Magic Edgy Olympic facilities have been built over decades, a team like mayfield should play out of their home ground, improve facilities where they can with council assistance, if their facilities remain poor, players wont play there and they will get relegated. someone else will take their place. Yes some games will be played on poor surfaces, but that still happens in the NPL today.

I agree it shouldn’t matter on the ground or any criteria. First past the post goes up last goes down. If a clubs ground isnt fenced off so they can charge $10 bucks entry the ones missing out is that club. But I bet one thing they would have a decent crowd watching

[Aegon]

Is the directive a FFA one or a NNSW one?

[Hurricane]

Another signing for Valentine in the Herald today. Putting together a competitive squad for 2020.

[Dontknowmuch]

Another signing for Valentine in the Herald today. Putting together a competitive squad for 2020.

Anyone know any trial game results over the past few weeks. Who is looking strong?

[Alton]

Anyone know any trial game results over the past few weeks. Who is looking strong?

Big Bash trials?

[Hurricane]

Anyone know any trial game results over the past few weeks. Who is looking strong?

Lakes 1 Adamstown 1

[hamburgler]

Lakes 1 Adamstown 1

Battle of the wooden spooners

[Aegon]

The Weston Workers Bears Football Club are very pleased to announce that Leo Bertos will be joining the Bears senior coaching squad for 2020 and beyond.

After a solid 2019 season Leo will lead our first team and will be very well supported by a great team on and off the park.
Whilst remaining with the Bears Kew Jaliens has had several offers to move to Europe to further his coaching career and we envisage that he will make the move some time in 2020.

Bears President Rod Henderson said “We are very pleased to have a high calibre coach in Leo join our team. We are excited for Kew, we always knew his desire to coach in Europe and expect our relationship with him to last for many years to come. Leo and Kew will work very closely together over the coming months to ensure a seamless transition.

Leo Bertos said, "I am thankful to Weston for giving me the opportunity to further my coach development in the NNSWF NPL. The club has a rich history in our region and I was excited to hear about where the club wants to head in the coming years. I am looking forward to meeting the staff and the playing group and working hard to continue the progress Kew and the squad have had over the last couple of years."

Bertos who has played over 250 professional games and represented New Zealand in 50 plus games including playing in all matches in the 2010 World Cup is a fantastic addition to the club and further enhances the solid foundation the Bears have put in place over the past few years.

Along with the addition of Leo the bears have strengthened their youth and SAP system with the appointment of former Emerging Jets Coach, Chris Akins, as Technical Director and club legend Trevor Morris as the Mentor for our SAP coaches.

I wonder if Leo will be retaining his place as NNSWF?

[Hurricane]

Which clubs are back into pre season training this week

[Alton]

Which clubs are back into pre season training this week

Slow day Hurri?

[Hurricane]

Slow day Hurri?
Snail paced Alton