2021 Premier Club SAP

[Arsenal222]

both of you are wrong.

Some kids need to work with kids at their level to feel comfortable to develop in their own time. Other kids need to find the best and play with and against them as that's how they develop - Win or not, score goals or not.

Every player and child is different. The trick is knowing your own child and coaches understanding what drives one kid might paralyse another and another kid might be completely bored unless they are up against it. The reason why private academies are popular is because all kids are different and sometimes it really doesn't matter where you are playing JDL some kids will want more of a challenge and small group training often provides the extra on top.

I agree with what you’re saying. I just think with grading it’s not always about the best players it’s as a coaching team identifying which boys will work beat together from a range of aspects as you mention above , along with skill, attitude etc etc ..

Private academies are popular and in a lot of cases needed for local football development. There are many to chose from offering different styles and options to suit kids of all levels

Grahame Law soccer
Jobe Wheelhouse
Clayton Zane
Perry Melon
And Gary Van Egmont is the latest one I’ve heard of all offering different options to the kids

It’s not about the trophies or social media status as some like to claim but it’s more opening options for those who chose to take them up. I assume that heir aim is to reach their own full potential whatever grade or level that maybe.

I’m tired of reading people trying to be negative and constantly pull people and or clubs down for trying to better themselves.

[BS detecor]

If you really want development you have to think outside this little bubble that’s NNSW JDL, whether teams are graded or not.
The jets decision to step into Sydney is a start but young players need to be exposed to constant statewide and nationwide tournaments to see what level is out there.
European teams obviously have an advantage geographically but we can only work with what we have.
Kanga cup is a good mid year competition open to all teams but there needs to be more. Only then will players really get tested and improve.

[Bremsstrahlung]

If you really want development you have to think outside this little bubble that’s NNSW JDL, whether teams are graded or not.
The jets decision to step into Sydney is a start but young players need to be exposed to constant statewide and nationwide tournaments to see what level is out there.
European teams obviously have an advantage geographically but we can only work with what we have.
Kanga cup is a good mid year competition open to all teams but there needs to be more. Only then will players really get tested and improve.

Do Jets have 9-12 teams playing in Sydney? Understand and agree with what you’re saying for 12+.

The debate around competition for 9-12 largely revolves around the temptation vs discipline. At some point they need to start learning how to win games they shouldn’t and how to avoid losing games they should win and that’s not skills you can teach at training, it’s more mental and maybe a little tactical. But too much of that, can degrade development.
I use long ball as an example. Long ball seems to be a dirty phrase and associated with poor teams. If you teach your teams long ball tactics, it might work occasionally but you’ll get found out and your players won’t have the skills through midfield to nullify other teams. However if your teams only used to the skills battle of passing the ball around (like most JDL game plans I imagine - good habits), pressing high, you can be very easily undone
By a team that bypasses your midfield and turns it into a foot race between attacker and defender.
Playing for results too early, encourages the “just win” mindset and you lose those skills that are much more beneficial later on like
First touch under pressure or one touch play.
The converse is that if there’s no results for too long, you can sometimes lose that edge. Not always. But sometimes. The ability to shut out games, or to push for winners etc.

From what I’ve read here, it seems like a good balance atm. Maybe 12s could record score but no tables, but then again, kids know the score.
Idk.

[Retired01]

Private academies are popular and in a lot of cases needed for local football development. There are many to chose from offering different styles and options to suit kids of all levels

Grahame Law soccer
Jobe Wheelhouse
Clayton Zane
Perry Melon
And Gary Van Egmont is the latest one I’ve heard of all offering different options to the kids

.

Ive been told Gary Van Egmond clinic is by invitation only

[Jim]

To top it all off there are TSP trials next week for the 12s, 9v9. So what was the point of the last 3 weeks? Every week was long lines at the canteen, ridiculous parking, kids getting hurt and parents growing in frustration with the entire JDL set up. If it was suppose to be talent ID and grading what did they get out of it ? Obviously nothing if they’re still holding trials for kids the clubs put forward.

Wonder if the 10s and 11s will have trials?

When are the 12s on? be good to have a look.

[scowling]

Well our first game is done and dusted. Won't mention the score, but will mention that the teams were mismatched.
Not fun, nor beneficial, for the losing side, not very good for the winning sides development.

How was your experience?

[Arsenal222]

Wonder if the 10s and 11s will have trials?

When are the 12s on? be good to have a look.

A week Monday I’m told. Looking at some massive numbers attending, typical northern.

[Arsenal222]

Well our first game is done and dusted. Won't mention the score, but will mention that the teams were mismatched.
Not fun, nor beneficial, for the losing side, not very good for the winning sides development.

How was your experience?

It’s obvious the grading from the fast5s worked well, lopsided and a waste of a day.

[Cunning stunts]

Well our first game is done and dusted. Won't mention the score, but will mention that the teams were mismatched.
Not fun, nor beneficial, for the losing side, not very good for the winning sides development.

How was your experience?

May we know the teams involved?

Thoughts on the smaller field?

[scowling]

May we know the teams involved?

Thoughts on the smaller field?

NLFC Under 10 Navy v Toronto Awaba

I assumed the smaller field was just for U09s and they hadn't changed it, is that not the case? TBH it didn't make that much difference, there was still enough space when required. I'll be in a better position to judge it if/when we come up against a stronger opposition.

[Cunning stunts]

NLFC Under 10 Navy v Toronto Awaba

I assumed the smaller field was just for U09s and they hadn't changed it, is that not the case? TBH it didn't make that much difference, there was still enough space when required. I'll be in a better position to judge it if/when we come up against a stronger opposition.

Completely agree, in regards to field size, i wasn't able to give a true indication how it will impact but it is for U9 and U10s due to the opposition, they have made the field significantly smaller though.

as for grading, this has not been handled well at all by the association, clearly with the significant score lines (yes results don't matter but kids know if they are getting flogged each week and chasing shadows)

interesting to know if other clubs (that have two teams) are running with a A and B side or two even teams?

[scowling]

Completely agree, in regards to field size, i wasn't able to give a true indication how it will impact but it is for U9 and U10s due to the opposition, they have made the field significantly smaller though.

as for grading, this has not been handled well at all by the association, clearly with the significant score lines (yes results don't matter but kids know if they are getting flogged each week and chasing shadows)

interesting to know if other clubs (that have two teams) are running with a A and B side or two even teams?

At NLFC in U10s we're quasi-A and B teams - This is to allow the better players to push each other at training; and we have regular games against the other U10 side to give them a challenge, and most are responding to it.

I think I've said it before here - the problem with the grading is the opaqueness of it. The lack of transparency into the process leaves those outside the inner circle feeling like it was a hot mess.
If the Toronto team we played on the weekend gets thumped week-in week-out we'll end up actually losing kids to football. Which I'm sure no one wants to see. And of course those families are paying relatively big-money to see their kids in tears.

However, if the grading was conducted openly (I've got thoughts about how this could have happened) I believe you'd have a lot more people on board with the decisions.

I'm not having allusions of grandeur here - our team would struggle against the best teams in U10s - but we would hold our own against most of the next tier. And in doing so would develop as players and as a team. Which surely is the point of grading.

I had a great chat with one of the new NNSWF people on Saturday which allows me to retain some confidence that this will eventually be sorted out.

[sideline88]

How was your experience?

our young one was stoked to be back on a much bigger field and it was great to see the kids make use of the space after many weeks on a much smaller field.

Only downfall as others have stated was the one sided scoreline, by the second half you could see the energy just dropped right out of the game. it'll be hard for teams both winning and loosing by big margins to keep the effort at 100% for the full 60 minutes.

[Isthisforreal]

At NLFC in U10s we're quasi-A and B teams - This is to allow the better players to push each other at training; and we have regular games against the other U10 side to give them a challenge, and most are responding to it.

I think I've said it before here - the problem with the grading is the opaqueness of it. The lack of transparency into the process leaves those outside the inner circle feeling like it was a hot mess.
If the Toronto team we played on the weekend gets thumped week-in week-out we'll end up actually losing kids to football. Which I'm sure no one wants to see. And of course those families are paying relatively big-money to see their kids in tears.

However, if the grading was conducted openly (I've got thoughts about how this could have happened) I believe you'd have a lot more people on board with the decisions.

I'm not having allusions of grandeur here - our team would struggle against the best teams in U10s - but we would hold our own against most of the next tier. And in doing so would develop as players and as a team. Which surely is the point of grading.

I had a great chat with one of the new NNSWF people on Saturday which allows me to retain some confidence that this will eventually be sorted out.

The original concept when the premier club SAP came in was probably the closest they’ve had it, and if they had of stuck with that model then grading the 11s and 12s would be pretty simple.

The original season had 16 clubs mostly with 2 teams each and played 2 games a day.

With the tweaks made to one game if they had of stayed with the 16 clubs and split into two pools based on actual results from the year prior, you would find the weekend games would be much closer games and overall better for their development. It’s not perfect as I understand some teams change players and move clubs etc but overall would level out the playing field.

Some clubs would still have an A and B teams which would probably allow their A team to compete with the stronger clubs and the B team would be very competitive in pool B..

The more clubs that get involved the more diluted the program becomes, the hard it is to grade the draw, the less development we will see and the more disappointed parents will become in the system.

It’s unfortunate but when the almighty dollar takes precedence over quality we end up with what we have now.

Cut the team numbers, make it a genuine premier competition which still has room for 320 of the age groups best U9s through to 360 of the age groups best U12s..

Before people judge the above, let’s be real and understand that it’s impossible to have the resources and man power to run 16 premier programs for development across the clubs let alone more the way it is run now.

Breakdown the numbers required to run the program just for JDL/SAP with only 16 clubs having a license with two teams in each age group

16 TDs
16 coordinators
128 coaches
1300 plus kids

All suppose to be of the level above community football under the premier competition banner and this is just U9s-12s

The regional football bodies (HV, Macquarie and Newcastle) should be working within the community football clubs from U7s - 12s with their programs and training days to help identify potential JDL level kids and identify them to clubs in their region.

It’s not a perfect system but I think you will find it would improve the quality in development of the kids, better training, better coaching, better games and happier kids

[Aegon]

Completely agree, in regards to field size, i wasn't able to give a true indication how it will impact but it is for U9 and U10s due to the opposition, they have made the field significantly smaller though.

as for grading, this has not been handled well at all by the association, clearly with the significant score lines (yes results don't matter but kids know if they are getting flogged each week and chasing shadows)

interesting to know if other clubs (that have two teams) are running with a A and B side or two even teams?

The following is based on knowledge of my sons club and information passed on to me by friends who have their kids at other clubs. It is more focused towards 11's & 12's though so there may be some inaccuracies in the younger age groups.

Not running A & B Squads


Magic
Jaffas
Olympic


Running A & B Squads

Maitland (Single team in 12's)
New Lambton
Valentine
Weston


Unsure

Azzurri (Single team in 12's)
Edgeworth (they seem to change players between squads frequently)
Central Coast


Single teams

Rosebuds
Lakes
Wallsend
South Cardiff
Kahibah
Cook Hill
West Wallsend

[Arsenal222]

The following is based on knowledge of my sons club and information passed on to me by friends who have their kids at other clubs. It is more focused towards 11's & 12's though so there may be some inaccuracies in the younger age groups.

Not running A & B Squads


Magic
Jaffas
Olympic


Running A & B Squads

Maitland
New Lambton
Valentine
Weston


Unsure

Azzurri
Edgeworth (they seem to change players between squads frequently)
Central Coast


Single teams

Rosebuds
Lakes
Wallsend
South Cardiff
Kahibah
Cook Hill


In the 12s

Jaffas running A+B
Maitland single team only
Azzuri single team only

and we should be thankful that Magic and Hamilton aren’t running A and B teams, the A teams would clean up against all teams and the B teams would still beat most.

[Aegon]

In the 12s

Jaffas running A+B
Maitland single team only
Azzuri single team only

and we should be thankful that Magic and Hamilton aren’t running A and B teams, the A teams would clean up against all teams and the B teams would still beat most.

Not sure where you get the A/B U12's Jaffa's info from. One of the squads may be stronger than the other but it definitely hasn't been communicated as such.

[sapdad]

Not sure where you get the A/B U12's Jaffa's info from. One of the squads may be stronger than the other but it definitely hasn't been communicated as such.
Not sure how they are defining it but Jaffas and Edgy in 12's are similar.One team is stronger than the other but not by design.Magic 12's def had one stronger team last year but the recruitment of some quality players and coach will see both their teams equally as strong in no time.I'll say one thing in terms of running A and B teams.In one club the TD wanted A + B and the coach supported it because in his opinion 1/2 the squad were way more committed to the program.He wanted all of them together to give them the best chance of individually achieving their goals.If you know the kids involved its clear to say they were right as the best of them are in the top tier of players and the kids who didnt seem as keen have not kicked on as much.After watching how it panned out A + B worked in that instance, and is that better than kicking kids out every year in the pursuit of 2 even teams, or cutting squads in half and running one team?There is no perfect solution.
Next year in 13's kids are all back to square one.The best JDL kids will be guaranteed a spot (and teams are already looking that far ahead), the rest will be filled from JDL kids who trial well, community kids who went a different path and are just as good if not better.

[sapdad]

The original concept when the premier club SAP came in was probably the closest they’ve had it, and if they had of stuck with that model then grading the 11s and 12s would be pretty simple.

The original season had 16 clubs mostly with 2 teams each and played 2 games a day.

With the tweaks made to one game if they had of stayed with the 16 clubs and split into two pools based on actual results from the year prior, you would find the weekend games would be much closer games and overall better for their development. It’s not perfect as I understand some teams change players and move clubs etc but overall would level out the playing field.

Some clubs would still have an A and B teams which would probably allow their A team to compete with the stronger clubs and the B team would be very competitive in pool B..

The more clubs that get involved the more diluted the program becomes, the hard it is to grade the draw, the less development we will see and the more disappointed parents will become in the system.

It’s unfortunate but when the almighty dollar takes precedence over quality we end up with what we have now.

Cut the team numbers, make it a genuine premier competition which still has room for 320 of the age groups best U9s through to 360 of the age groups best U12s..

Before people judge the above, let’s be real and understand that it’s impossible to have the resources and man power to run 16 premier programs for development across the clubs let alone more the way it is run now.

Breakdown the numbers required to run the program just for JDL/SAP with only 16 clubs having a license with two teams in each age group

16 TDs
16 coordinators
128 coaches
1300 plus kids

All suppose to be of the level above community football under the premier competition banner and this is just U9s-12s

The regional football bodies (HV, Macquarie and Newcastle) should be working within the community football clubs from U7s - 12s with their programs and training days to help identify potential JDL level kids and identify them to clubs in their region.

It’s not a perfect system but I think you will find it would improve the quality in development of the kids, better training, better coaching, better games and happier kids

Great post,but one thing ill point out is the other side of that argument is trying to expose as many kids as possible to the program.Junior football had been seen as a closed shop so getting more kids into the training and development side of things was an admirable goal.The last thing we want are good athletes who love the sport not being able to find a spot due to geography/circumstances.Id also love the clubs that have been poorer participants in the program to have a good look at where they are going wrong and to get help from NNSW to improve their standards.

[Arsenal222]

Not sure where you get the A/B U12's Jaffa's info from. One of the squads may be stronger than the other but it definitely hasn't been communicated as such.

Take the blinkers off, if you can’t see it from within after a few years of being with the club. Everything happens at the Jaffas by design, they don’t use a megaphone to communicate it.

[Arsenal222]

Great post,but one thing ill point out is the other side of that argument is trying to expose as many kids as possible to the program.Junior football had been seen as a closed shop so getting more kids into the training and development side of things was an admirable goal.The last thing we want are good athletes who love the sport not being able to find a spot due to geography/circumstances.Id also love the clubs that have been poorer participants in the program to have a good look at where they are going wrong and to get help from NNSW to improve their standards.

I agree, great post and finally some common sense.

Understand your further points on the exposures but there comes a point looking for the 3% of kids who may fall through the cracks is coming at the expense of the 97% of kids who are deserved of a spot in a high quality JDL program.

The numbers quoted are still really high volumes of kids, and it doesn’t exclude anyone from playing soccer if they’re in community football and they standout I’m sure someone will tap them on the shoulder at some point.

[Aegon]

Take the blinkers off, if you can’t see it from within after a few years of being with the club. Everything happens at the Jaffas by design, they don’t use a megaphone to communicate it.

If it was obvious that all the strong players were in one team then I might agree, there are players in both squads that are stronger than the other. One team has an absolute stand out player which makes them stronger, this doesn't mean it was a A/B squad split.

[Aegon]

Very interesting facebook post to NNSWF on the JDL grading process and draw:

https://www.facebook.com/nnswf/posts/4251393518224666

[sapdad]

Very interesting facebook post to NNSWF on the JDL grading process and draw:

https://www.facebook.com/nnswf/posts/4251393518224666

Its just the same old complaints from the same type of people.As stated before I've got sympathy for NL parents as their JDL teams have always been better than a spot in a '2nd division'.The fact that parents on there were judging everything by wins and losses meant most of them still dont get the program though.Ill also never get sick of people trying to convince me how awesome Clayton Zane and Cas Wright are though.It must be in their players starter packs or something they need tell 6 people a year or their kid wont get picked.

[scowling]

Its just the same old complaints from the same type of people.As stated before I've got sympathy for NL parents as their JDL teams have always been better than a spot in a '2nd division'.The fact that parents on there were judging everything by wins and losses meant most of them still dont get the program though.Ill also never get sick of people trying to convince me how awesome Clayton Zane and Cas Wright are though.It must be in their players starter packs or something they need tell 6 people a year or their kid wont get picked.

(non facebooker) Can I assume that this is a post written by someone to NNSWF? And can I also assume from your comment that their is little to no new information to be revealed?

As a side note, for most parents/grandparents the only metric they understand is goals for and against. As a coach I do try and communicate that the score is not an important metric, but in a lot of cases it's the most visible and memorable one. I'm guessing none of the 20+ kids playing in our game on the weekend will forget the score.

From my perspective my kids ticked boxes across all four core skills, and alongside that I am starting to see their football knowledge increase as demonstrated through their on field decision making and their post game feedback on their own games.

[sideline88]

(non facebooker) Can I assume that this is a post written by someone to NNSWF? And can I also assume from your comment that their is little to no new information to be revealed?

As a side note, for most parents/grandparents the only metric they understand is goals for and against. As a coach I do try and communicate that the score is not an important metric, but in a lot of cases it's the most visible and memorable one. I'm guessing none of the 20+ kids playing in our game on the weekend will forget the score.

From my perspective my kids ticked boxes across all four core skills, and alongside that I am starting to see their football knowledge increase as demonstrated through their on field decision making and their post game feedback on their own games.

Yes the scoreline is no way anyway important to the entire JDL/SAP structure and intent of the program but its all we have a guide to help adjust and make games a little more even because i can tell you for a fact the team getting spanked 18-0 on a weekend are not getting the same opportunity to put skills learned into practice in a game environment as 2 teams that are more evenly matched in a proper graded draw

[KITZ]

(non facebooker) Can I assume that this is a post written by someone to NNSWF? And can I also assume from your comment that their is little to no new information to be revealed?

As a side note, for most parents/grandparents the only metric they understand is goals for and against. As a coach I do try and communicate that the score is not an important metric, but in a lot of cases it's the most visible and memorable one. I'm guessing none of the 20+ kids playing in our game on the weekend will forget the score.

From my perspective my kids ticked boxes across all four core skills, and alongside that I am starting to see their football knowledge increase as demonstrated through their on field decision making and their post game feedback on their own games.

You didn't miss much. Yet another bunch of comments from parents who's clubs haven't educated them to A - not post scores about 9 year olds on social media. and B - completely miss the point of the whole program... If a player scores a ton of goals in a game but stuffs around every single time because they need to put the ball on their right foot then they have missed an important development opportunity to learn to use BOTH feet, if you have that many chances in front of goal then THATS the skill you should have been working on - if you didn't then as far as I'm concerned you might as well have lost by that many. All the parents worried about how many goals are being scored but don't bother to actually look at their kids development. These are also things you can teach kids - what was the goal for today? focus on 1v1 or try and pass with our weaker foot? did we achieve that? Yes - then that's all that matters, because when it comes to moving into the tactical game training phase the coach knows that he doesn't have to go back over stuff you should have been learning during skills acquisition.

[Aegon]

You didn't miss much. Yet another bunch of comments from parents who's clubs haven't educated them to A - not post scores about 9 year olds on social media. and B - completely miss the point of the whole program... If a player scores a ton of goals in a game but stuffs around every single time because they need to put the ball on their right foot then they have missed an important development opportunity to learn to use BOTH feet, if you have that many chances in front of goal then THATS the skill you should have been working on - if you didn't then as far as I'm concerned you might as well have lost by that many. All the parents worried about how many goals are being scored but don't bother to actually look at their kids development. These are also things you can teach kids - what was the goal for today? focus on 1v1 or try and pass with our weaker foot? did we achieve that? Yes - then that's all that matters, because when it comes to moving into the tactical game training phase the coach knows that he doesn't have to go back over stuff you should have been learning during skills acquisition.

I personally think you are missing the point. For the majority of kids it is about enjoyment.

Enjoyment encourages development.

If you set up kids to play in non competitive games week in week out then the majority of kids (who know what the score is and how much they lost by) will not enjoy themselves. For the kids doing it easy each week they develop inflated self opinions and bad habits.

Kids are not going to keep wanting to take the field knowing they have no chance of "winning"

[Aegon]

Yes the scoreline is no way anyway important to the entire JDL/SAP structure and intent of the program but its all we have a guide to help adjust and make games a little more even because i can tell you for a fact the team getting spanked 18-0 on a weekend are not getting the same opportunity to put skills learned into practice in a game environment as 2 teams that are more evenly matched in a proper graded draw

Agreed, neither team in lopsided games are learning much at all.

[Aegon]

(non facebooker) Can I assume that this is a post written by someone to NNSWF? And can I also assume from your comment that their is little to no new information to be revealed?

As a side note, for most parents/grandparents the only metric they understand is goals for and against. As a coach I do try and communicate that the score is not an important metric, but in a lot of cases it's the most visible and memorable one. I'm guessing none of the 20+ kids playing in our game on the weekend will forget the score.

From my perspective my kids ticked boxes across all four core skills, and alongside that I am starting to see their football knowledge increase as demonstrated through their on field decision making and their post game feedback on their own games.

Hard to summarise as there are 100+ comments following the original post.

What I got out of it is that NNSWF have not communicated the intention of using the small sided games for grading adequately, nor implemented the grading effectively post small sided games.
Regardless of their intention they now have a lot of unhappy parents.

No NNSWF response either.

[Ghost of Plague]

Very interesting facebook post to NNSWF on the JDL grading process and draw:

https://www.facebook.com/nnswf/posts/4251393518224666

Hahahahahha little buddy who made the post couldn't wait to get back in there as soon as he could to let everyone know his kid won 18-0 or whatever.
What is it with parents at that club such little man syndrome.
Id lile to personally congratulate Mr Dart on his child being the greatest ever, and by extension he being the greatest dad coach that ever lived.
Im so super happy Facebook exists so parents like him can claim their clout.

What a clown.

Anyway im sure he's now moved on to messaging Maccas about the rudeness of their staff or the price of petrol or some such other lame ass shit.

Anyone know his insta profile im betting good money there are pronouns and climate change hashtags.


Anyway for the record I watched a few games over the weekend and there was a lot of skill on display and some fantastic football being played. There is hope for the future yet.......

[Jim]

It’s unfortunate but when the almighty dollar takes precedence over quality we end up with what we have now.

Cut the team numbers, make it a genuine premier competition which still has room for 320 of the age groups best U9s through to 360 of the age groups best U12s..

The extra numbers has only invited more problems compared to the old 10 team version and overwhelmed nnsw into not doing much.
Its given hope to some lads that are no where near it at cost at near or over 1k.
Cap it at 16 to 18 teams which is close to the old SAP and Net combined. Have better recruitment and scouting from clubs and northern.
And for stuff sake have trials for all rep teams.

[Aegon]

NNSWF have published a JDL FAQ:

https://northernnswfootball.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Frequently-Asked-Questions-21042021_WEB-FORMAT.pdf

It looks like it is an attempt at addressing recent concerns that have been raised by clubs and individuals.

The main things that still stand out to me are:

Why was Phase 1 of the draw held at
Lake Macquarie Regional Football
Facility (LMRFF)?

Complete 330 team assessments
undertaken by NNSWF’s Technical
Team to ascertain as accurately as
possible the overall skill level of the
players at each of the clubs.

I think it has been called out on numerous occasions that the skill level determination based on 5v5/6v6 differs greatly from the 7v7/9v9 formats. I watched boys (typically faster/stronger) who dominate large fielded games struggle in the small sided format due to the lack of opportunity to use their abilities. On the flip sided some boys who are slower but have a high skill level looked much stronger on the small fields.

The use of the Football Five5 pitches
(smaller pitch and less players) ensured
that players got more touches, repeated the
four core skills more often and increased
the frequency of football decision-making

This is completely inaccurate for the 11's and 12's. The benefits are outweighed by the large team sizes where kids can be spending as much as 1/2 the game on the bench. Not quite so detrimental for the 9's and 10's.

How has NNSWF constructed Phase 2
fixtures?

The placement of individual teams in pools
may be considered in the future, however
this approach is not supported by clubs due
to logistical considerations including the
capacity of Club Technical Directors to visit
multiple venues on the same match day.

If this is the case at your club - I'd be asking some questions of the technical staff. Running an A/B format is currently not supported for grading into pool A or B based on feedback from club Technical Directors. This does not appear a fair result for at least one of the squads based on a CLUB decision.

Why are clubs allowed to put multiple
teams into each age group?

There is no
evidence to suggest that limiting clubs to
one team per JDL age group will disperse
talented players across all clubs.
The maximum number of teams was
agreed to by clubs and confirmed as part of
the JDL participation agreement.

I think this is a cop out. Calling out lack of evidence on a program still experiencing growth as it is only 4 years old is like making up statistics etc. You could also call out that there is no evidence that more players wouldn't distribute to other clubs.

Again though, the clubs as a whole have pushed for 2 teams per age.

[sapdad]

Why are clubs allowed to put multiple
teams into each age group?

There is no
evidence to suggest that limiting clubs to
one team per JDL age group will disperse
talented players across all clubs.
The maximum number of teams was
agreed to by clubs and confirmed as part of
the JDL participation agreement.

I think this is a cop out. Calling out lack of evidence on a program still experiencing growth as it is only 4 years old is like making up statistics etc. You could also call out that there is no evidence that more players wouldn't distribute to other clubs.

Again though, the clubs as a whole have pushed for 2 teams per age.

Thanks for posting this.It seems like most of the concerns on the facebook page were from NL parents.It sounds like they should be asking questions of their TD before complaining to NNSW.She should also be asked her stance on coaches and the A and B team format.I also dont think Magic and Olympic (lets face it this is who most are talking about) should be punished for having 2 strong teams.The idea that if they only get one team their kids will just go play for Adamstown or NL to strengthen their squad isnt as simple as suggested.I'd much rather somewhere like Adamstown do a better job of developing their players so they arent looked at as relying on kids from other clubs to make up their numbers.Again, the balance between avoiding the program being a closed shop and making it too lopsided isnt easy but sometimes i feel like everyone is punishing the kids rather than the clubs for this imbalance.

[Cunning stunts]

"This is completely inaccurate for the 11's and 12's. The benefits are outweighed by the large team sizes where kids can be spending as much as 1/2 the game on the bench. Not quite so detrimental for the 9's and 10's."

i think this effects 9s and 10s also.

having squad sizes of 9 to 10 kids. and only allowing 5 on the field has 5 kids sitting and waiting

[sapdad]

To add one more thing,the idea of 2 teams per age was designed to have a core group ready and able to be picked straight from 12's JDL into a full squad of 13's NPL.Limiting clubs to one team means they need to go and poach 6-8 players for their 13's and the best clubs will still poach the best talent anyway.At least this way all NPL clubs should have a pool of kids who have experienced the JDL program to choose from to form their 13's team.

[Aegon]

"This is completely inaccurate for the 11's and 12's. The benefits are outweighed by the large team sizes where kids can be spending as much as 1/2 the game on the bench. Not quite so detrimental for the 9's and 10's."

i think this effects 9s and 10s also.

having squad sizes of 9 to 10 kids. and only allowing 5 on the field has 5 kids sitting and waiting

You are right, there isn't much of a difference, in Fast5 format the playing time per game is reduced significantly for all age groups.

[Aegon]

To add one more thing,the idea of 2 teams per age was designed to have a core group ready and able to be picked straight from 12's JDL into a full squad of 13's NPL.Limiting clubs to one team means they need to go and poach 6-8 players for their 13's and the best clubs will still poach the best talent anyway.At least this way all NPL clubs should have a pool of kids who have experienced the JDL program to choose from to form their 13's team.

I'll be very interested watching the process unfold for those clubs with 2 teams.
They will need to drop 6-8 players at least from their current 12's and that is without even considering recruiting from other clubs.

Some of it will be mitigated by the Jets picking up players but just considering Magic, Olympic, Jaffas and Edgeworth there will be something in the vicinity of 20-25 players looking for a new club to play 13's at.

[sapdad]

I'll be very interested watching the process unfold for those clubs with 2 teams.
They will need to drop 6-8 players at least from their current 12's and that is without even considering recruiting from other clubs.

Some of it will be mitigated by the Jets picking up players but just considering Magic, Olympic, Jaffas and Edgeworth there will be something in the vicinity of 20-25 players looking for a new club to play 13's at.

yes i agree and id rather have an oversupply of talent than those 4 clubs out recruiting big numbers for next year.The 20-25 you speak of, plus the undoubted influx of good kids who have been playing in other comps will hopefully increase the overall level for 13's, which is the real point of it all.

[Jim]

I also dont think Magic and Olympic (lets face it this is who most are talking about) should be punished for having 2 strong teams.The idea that if they only get one team their kids will just go play for Adamstown or NL to strengthen their squad isnt as simple as suggested.I'd much rather somewhere like Adamstown do a better job of developing their players so they arent looked at as relying on kids from other clubs to make up their numbers.

Completely disagree.

Adamstown should be allowed to have some stronger players to help with the development of other players. And clubs with 2 strong teams should be also forced to develop against the better players and not just continue to start with the stronger players.
Now this isnt a demand as big clubs prepare better than most and are rewarded with strong squads.

[sapdad]

Completely disagree.

Adamstown should be allowed to have some stronger players to help with the development of other players.

Im not sure what you mean here.Allowed by who?

[Arsenal222]

TSP tomorrow night, I hear they have taken a lot of kids into the trials. Thoughts?

[djjones]

TSP tomorrow night, I hear they have taken a lot of kids into the trials. Thoughts?

What ages?

[Arsenal222]

What ages?

12s

[sapdad]

TSP tomorrow night, I hear they have taken a lot of kids into the trials. Thoughts?

Cant hurt.Kids that are not good enough will get to see the kids who are,and the kids who are good enough will see how many other kids want their spots and hopefully appreciate the opportunity.A few parents noses out of joint wondering why their little Johnny has to go through the indignity of trials and some crying that their little Johnny didnt get an invite.Think you'll find though that the kids that get picked will be the top tier of kids in the program so it will all work out fine.

[djjones]

Cant hurt.Kids that are not good enough will get to see the kids who are,and the kids who are good enough will see how many other kids want their spots and hopefully appreciate the opportunity.A few parents noses out of joint wondering why their little Johnny has to go through the indignity of trials and some crying that their little Johnny didnt get an invite.Think you'll find though that the kids that get picked will be the top tier of kids in the program so it will all work out fine.

Trials are the best way to compare. Yeah for sure players who are similar will be picked and will miss but it's better than only having TDs who select their favourites.

[KITZ]

Trials are the best way to compare. Yeah for sure players who are similar will be picked and will miss but it's better than only having TDs who select their favourites.

I don't know what you are talking about TD's nominate kids for the TSP trials... lol. Some are picked through being watched at games, but TD's still offer up names of kids they think should be selected.

[djjones]

I don't know what you are talking about TD's nominate kids for the TSP trials... lol. Some are picked through being watched at games, but TD's still offer up names of kids they think should be selected.

I can correct you. Last year TD's sent in the names, no trials. Didnt matter as Covid squashed it all.

[KITZ]

I can correct you. Last year TD's sent in the names, no trials. Didnt matter as Covid squashed it all.

I'm not sure how that's correcting me? But if it makes you feel better, go for it.

[Goatscheese]

What ages?

12s and 13s

[djjones]

12s and 13s

:thumbsup:

[Goatscheese]

Hearing reports of a Game Leader calling U10 players f ucking c unts during a game on the weekend even heard by parents. Obviously players on the visiting side not their side.

(Had to break up the words as not even this forum allows it)

[KITZ]

Hearing reports of a Game Leader calling U10 players f ucking c unts during a game on the weekend even heard by parents. Obviously players on the visiting side not their side.

(Had to break up the words as not even this forum allows it)

I don't even have words for that.

[sapdad]

Hearing reports of a Game Leader calling U10 players f ucking c unts during a game on the weekend even heard by parents. Obviously players on the visiting side not their side.

(Had to break up the words as not even this forum allows it)

Let me be clear that whoever did this needs to be spoken to pretty sternly by his/her club and not be allowed anywhere near a kids game again (at the very least).I would also love to see clubs pull some of their more vocal parents into line as well,some of the crap i heard go down on the weekend towards a ref by both teams, both coaches and both benches was ridiculous.The ref wasnt doing a bad job it was clear most of those abusing had no idea of the rules.I saw one ref give a pen and then had to explain to everyone that yes 11 and 12's have pens now.When coaches and clubs dont communicate this stuff to parents it just adds to the frustration towards officials.Blame NNSW all they want for not providing proper refs but if your day consists of yelling over the fence at a volunteer ref at an under 11's game then you are a certain kind of cretin.As they get older everyone is feeling a much bigger sense of entitlement in this program and some are in for a very rude shock if they talk to officials like that once they make grade.
But back to your original point lets hope this person is made an example of as far as behaviour from everyone is concerned.

[Take it easy]

Let me be clear that whoever did this needs to be spoken to pretty sternly by his/her club and not be allowed anywhere near a kids game again (at the very least).I would also love to see clubs pull some of their more vocal parents into line as well,some of the crap i heard go down on the weekend towards a ref by both teams, both coaches and both benches was ridiculous.The ref wasnt doing a bad job it was clear most of those abusing had no idea of the rules.I saw one ref give a pen and then had to explain to everyone that yes 11 and 12's have pens now.When coaches and clubs dont communicate this stuff to parents it just adds to the frustration towards officials.Blame NNSW all they want for not providing proper refs but if your day consists of yelling over the fence at a volunteer ref at an under 11's game then you are a certain kind of cretin.As they get older everyone is feeling a much bigger sense of entitlement in this program and some are in for a very rude shock if they talk to officials like that once they make grade.
But back to your original point lets hope this person is made an example of as far as behaviour from everyone is concerned.

💯 agree, parents who abuse referees need to have a long hard look at themselves. It’s embarrassing.

As for the language used by a game leader it’s also deplorable if true.

When do people get back to its junior sport, just because you pay more money for your child to play doesn’t give you the right to abuse anyone.

[samcan]

Anyone hearing anything of the schuffle at the Weston grounds on the weekend?

For JDL game?

[The Hacker]

Yes

I’ll give it up if parents are fighting at a under 10’s game. They don’t even keep score. If true they should be punted from the club. I get it punishes the kid but the parents might pull their head in when their kid has to find a new club and they realize the consequences for acting like a goose

[Aegon]

I’ll give it up if parents are fighting at a under 10’s game. They don’t even keep score. If true they should be punted from the club. I get it punishes the kid but the parents might pull their head in when their kid has to find a new club and they realize the consequences for acting like a goose

Weston didn't have any games at home this weekend?

[BS detecor]

Did any of that stuff really happen or is it the usual embellished Chinese whispers?
At least 16 cop cars and the riot squad weren’t called

[Cunning stunts]

There was a altercation at LMFF Saturday for the under 10s match between Weston and Olympic coaches, not sure of the full details as i was a long way away

[scowling]

There was a altercation at LMFF Saturday for the under 10s match between Weston and Olympic coaches, not sure of the full details as i was a long way away

This whole page.. I just ... no words, I can't even.


Well maybe, some words; Almost every coach I have had contact with in the JDL system has genuinely cared for their team, and most care for the opposition as well. This is just the way it should be.

I assume that any altercation took place in the presence of the children - surely both/all coaches are done coaching juniors.

[KITZ]

This whole page.. I just ... no words, I can't even.


Well maybe, some words; Almost every coach I have had contact with in the JDL system has genuinely cared for their team, and most care for the opposition as well. This is just the way it should be.

I assume that any altercation took place in the presence of the children - surely both/all coaches are done coaching juniors.

Its actually really simple, The TD for the JDL speaks to the parents. You are no longer allowed to come to games, you can drop your child off but you must leave and cannot stay. If you choose to ignore that rule, then we will also have to ask your child to leave as well. Has happened on occasion in the old system. :banned:

[scowling]

Its actually really simple, The TD for the JDL speaks to the parents. You are no longer allowed to come to games, you can drop your child off but you must leave and cannot stay. If you choose to ignore that rule, then we will also have to ask your child to leave as well. Has happened on occasion in the old system. :banned:

Thanks Kitz - that is the way it was explained to me as well.

In the case that if it was coaches involved - in most cases the coach is also a parent - what would the process be?
I know in our club coaches are asked to sign/agree-to a code of conduct - I assume there are also processes at NNSWF level.

Just such a distasteful situation all around.

[Cunning stunts]

This whole page.. I just ... no words, I can't even.


Well maybe, some words; Almost every coach I have had contact with in the JDL system has genuinely cared for their team, and most care for the opposition as well. This is just the way it should be.

I assume that any altercation took place in the presence of the children - surely both/all coaches are done coaching juniors.

Only pointing out facts from what i saw from the canteen. they were playing on 2A so you would understand it was some distant away, so unable to give the reason.

Yes the respective kids and there teams were present as they were warming up for kick off

[Cunning stunts]

Thanks Kitz - that is the way it was explained to me as well.

In the case that if it was coaches involved - in most cases the coach is also a parent - what would the process be?
I know in our club coaches are asked to sign/agree-to a code of conduct - I assume there are also processes at NNSWF level.

Just such a distasteful situation all around.

Correct as a Coach and a Parent within the system, i need to sign a agreement which involves conduct and my son also had to sign a player agreement

[sapdad]

Yes the respective kids and there teams were present as they were warming up for kick off

The fight was pre game?

[Cunning stunts]

The fight was pre game?

i wouldn't say it was a physical fight, but there was a altercation that looked to be getting to the boiling point.

and yes pre game

[Goatscheese]

In the case that if it was coaches involved - in most cases the coach is also a parent - what would the process be?
I know in our club coaches are asked to sign/agree-to a code of conduct - I assume there are also processes at NNSWF level.

Same process, remove the coach and ban them from attending, or depending on exactly what happened it may just be a first warning

[The Hacker]

i wouldn't say it was a physical fight, but there was a altercation that looked to be getting to the boiling point.

and yes pre game

What weren’t they happy with the direction they were running.

[djjones]

What weren’t they happy with the direction they were running.

ball size

[sapdad]

If it was pre game id take a guess that it was a uniform clash and one team didnt want to wear bibs.Ive seen that before and it was just as pathetic back then.

[The Hacker]

If it was pre game id take a guess that it was a uniform clash and one team didnt want to wear bibs.Ive seen that before and it was just as pathetic back then.

😂 stop it they are 9yr old kids who don’t keep score. If they are fighting over bibs they deserve to be kicked out

[djjones]

If it was pre game id take a guess that it was a uniform clash and one team didnt want to wear bibs.Ive seen that before and it was just as pathetic back then.

how the hell does something start pregame? it wasnt strip colour

[sapdad]

�� stop it they are 9yr old kids who don’t keep score. If they are fighting over bibs they deserve to be kicked out
It was more sad and funny rather than serious,but one teams argument that they deserve to wear their colour because theyd been around longer and that covering up their badge with a bib was unacceptable was pretty hilarious to see.Luckily the opposition coach and referee were not having it and made them change.The kids didnt care they just wanted to play.Its always the adults that get in the way of these things.Always.

[Take it easy]

It was more sad and funny rather than serious,but one teams argument that they deserve to wear their colour because theyd been around longer and that covering up their badge with a bib was unacceptable was pretty hilarious to see.Luckily the opposition coach and referee were not having it and made them change.The kids didnt care they just wanted to play.Its always the adults that get in the way of these things.Always.

Are you serious? That what the disagreement was over ?

[Meggsy]

TSP tomorrow night, I hear they have taken a lot of kids into the trials. Thoughts?

Has anyone heard back re the U12 trials? Boys and/or girls?

[samcan]

Has anyone heard back re the U12 trials? Boys and/or girls?

Watched the 12s boys. 60 odd kids. A Few standouts but not as many as I expected and a couple who just arent quite there yet but generally hard to know.

IMO Therell be many who miss out who are as good but hopefully the coaches will get it right.

[Meggsy]

Watched the 12s boys. 60 odd kids. A Few standouts but not as many as I expected and a couple who just arent quite there yet but generally hard to know.

IMO Therell be many who miss out who are as good but hopefully the coaches will get it right.

Cheers. Anyone watch the girls U12s. I know quite a few who attended the trial

[Goatscheese]

It was more sad and funny rather than serious,but one teams argument that they deserve to wear their colour because theyd been around longer and that covering up their badge with a bib was unacceptable was pretty hilarious to see.Luckily the opposition coach and referee were not having it and made them change.The kids didnt care they just wanted to play.Its always the adults that get in the way of these things.Always.

Easy solution whomever was listed as the away team to change

[scowling]

It was more sad and funny rather than serious,but one teams argument that they deserve to wear their colour because theyd been around longer and that covering up their badge with a bib was unacceptable was pretty hilarious to see.Luckily the opposition coach and referee were not having it and made them change.The kids didnt care they just wanted to play.Its always the adults that get in the way of these things.Always.

Really?
If I'd been in this situation I might have struggled not to laugh! I'm guessing they don't use bibs at training?

I had to go google who had been around longer, turns out it's Weston FC by some margin.

[sapdad]

Easy solution whomever was listed as the away team to change

Yes that was the issue,The away team felt they deserved to wear the colour despite the rule.To be clear this a different story to the one involving Weston.I was just giving an example of how silly people get about this stuff.This was 3 years ago and it sounds like things havent changed much.

[djjones]

Since when do Weston and Olympic colours clash anyway? Plenty of games where they kept their strips. Was there a complaint?

[scowling]

Since when do Weston and Olympic colours clash anyway? Plenty of games where they kept their strips. Was there a complaint?

Yeah I think we're barking up the wrong tree; sapdad was sharing an anecdote from another situation.

Unless someone has more hard evidence we're stuck wondering why two (or more) U10 JDL coaches would ever have need to be involved in a physical altercation.

So the rest of Phase 1 draw is out - I'm told that us being scheduled to play in Tamworth is an error ... just as bloody well!

[Goatscheese]

So the rest of Phase 1 draw is out - I'm told that us being scheduled to play in Tamworth is an error ... just as bloody well!

They travel down here every week, not unreasonable to expect someone to go up there once a year provided they made the games in the arvo.

I'd use it as a good excuse to take the family away for the weekend

[scowling]

They travel down here every week, not unreasonable to expect someone to go up there once a year provided they made the games in the arvo.

I'd use it as a good excuse to take the family away for the weekend

Oh absolutely, I agree.

However it was more directed to the fact that Tamworth aren't in the JDL, and we're playing West Wallsend.
I'm sure they've made a mistake since both grounds are called Johnson/Johnston.

[Goatscheese]

Oh absolutely, I agree.

However it was more directed to the fact that Tamworth aren't in the JDL, and we're playing West Wallsend.
I'm sure they've made a mistake since both grounds are called Johnson/Johnston.

lol oh I thought they were in U12s

But yes good thing two Newcastle teams aren't going up there to play

[YewYew]

I seen a bit of SAP this season & all these new lambton parents need to pull there head in. They have there navy teams which are good but there gold team in each age ain’t no better than the Southy and Cookers.

People crying about the split comp but from what I seen it looks right.

If new lambton kids think they too good then they know what they should do..........

[Game_over]

I watched an U10's JDL match on the weekend and noticed that the coach of one of the teams was giving specific instructions to his players to crowd the opposing keeper on corners.

Personally I'm not a fan of this at this age and don't think it really helps with the development phase. But I'm interested to hear others opinions.

Change my mind.

[Cunning stunts]

After a few rounds this season i would love to hear peoples opinions on the below topics.

Firstly i think there is a lack of knowledge across some coaches and coaching staff in regards to the drop off zones, Free kicks. Is this something for each club to assure there teams and coaching staff understand the rules of JDL correctly? or do you beleive each club take there own opinion of these rules and play it how they like?

Topics:

1) Players moving up a age group? yes or no? if so how does your club run this? E.g. under 9s player playing or training under 10s
2) Drop off zone? does your club police this and how is it run?
3) the knowledge that there is no direct freekicks?
4) positional rotation? (for some kids i have found clearly have no interest or drive to play certain roles and to me looks to bring down a team in regards to there overall developing during game situations)

[KITZ]

I watched an U10's JDL match on the weekend and noticed that the coach of one of the teams was giving specific instructions to his players to crowd the opposing keeper on corners.

Personally I'm not a fan of this at this age and don't think it really helps with the development phase. But I'm interested to hear others opinions.

Change my mind.

Theres really no need for it, as a parent of a goalkeeper who now is out of that phase, the response in a tactical sense (for a much older age group) is to put your defenders between the attacking players and the keeper, then hold or push off your own players if you need to, but for a bunch of ten year olds? there's so many other important things to be learning there's plenty of time for that **** later on. I bet a corner like that and the ball either went flying over or didn't make it onto the pitch, or they missed it completely anyway because they were too busy trying to do the stuff the coach was telling them to do.

[sapdad]

Different rules for 9/10 and 11/12 causes confusion.Rule changes this year (drop off on goalies in possession,sub windows) have added to it.Our club provides the official rules to every player and makes them and their parents read it.Obviously a lot dont and still look stupid complaining about refs on weekends.I wish some clubs took it a bit more seriously though as seeing kids lined up to play and clubs still scrambling for refs or people out there who have no earthly idea what they are doing is a terrible look.

[Goatscheese]

1) Players moving up a age group? yes or no? if so how does your club run this? E.g. under 9s player playing or training under 10s

If a player is good enough and needs to go up to be challenged and improve then they should be. No different to Youth or Senior Football


2) Drop off zone? does your club police this and how is it run? Up to the ref to police it


3) the knowledge that there is no direct freekicks?

Silly idea


4) positional rotation? (for some kids i have found clearly have no interest or drive to play certain roles and to me looks to bring down a team in regards to there overall developing during game situations)

They should be given time in different positions, they are 8-12 years old, they don't have a position they only play and will play where the coach tells them to play. Some parents have no idea and claim their kid is only a 9, yet when he is in U10s you can't claim that he is only a 9 and only played 9 his entire life.

Some kids will be more naturally suited to certain areas of the park, no big deal giving them more game time there but they should be rotated into different positions not only for their benefit but also for the benefit of other players to experience and learn in that position. Their young kids, the whole point is about learning move them around.

[sapdad]

Im fine with kids playing up.Its been clear at ages 11 and 12 that the gap between the biggest and smallest kids is pretty large anyway so as long as they can physically handle it then why not.Plenty of JDL 12 kids playing NPL 13's too and from all reports the good ones are handling it just fine.There might be a time soon when those kids will stay back for the extra year of development but hopefully coaches/parents make decisions based on the best interests of the kids and they will be fine.

[scowling]

After a few rounds this season i would love to hear peoples opinions on the below topics.

Firstly i think there is a lack of knowledge across some coaches and coaching staff in regards to the drop off zones, Free kicks. Is this something for each club to assure there teams and coaching staff understand the rules of JDL correctly? or do you beleive each club take there own opinion of these rules and play it how they like?

Topics:

1) Players moving up a age group? yes or no? if so how does your club run this? E.g. under 9s player playing or training under 10s
2) Drop off zone? does your club police this and how is it run?
3) the knowledge that there is no direct freekicks?
4) positional rotation? (for some kids i have found clearly have no interest or drive to play certain roles and to me looks to bring down a team in regards to there overall developing during game situations)

1) If a child has the development required and can physically handle it I've got no problem with it; the only wrinkle I see is if that player pushes out an appropriate aged player that then misses out on further development. I guess this is a per-player decision the club would have to consider
2) I make sure my game leaders know about it and enforce it; I also try and talk to the opposition coach about it before the game; I will often remind the players during the game if they are not dropping off; someone down thread suggested the rule now says all goalkeeper possessions, but I'm pretty sure the rule is just goal kicks. That being said, I have on occasion told my kids to drop off whenever the keeper has the ball.
3) There are direct free kicks in U11 and U12. But you're right in U9/U10 there are only indirect.
4) U9 last year we rotated through positions in a very rigid, prescriptive way. You got 40 minutes of game time and it was all played in the one position. Next game we rotated so you played the position next to the last one, again for 40 minutes that game. With 3 subs this was possible and reasonably easy. It was obvious when players didn't want to be in certain positions and it was obvious when they were coping or not in each position.
U10 this year and we are stilling rotating where appropriate. I have 5 subs, which makes it more difficult to balance game time and keep the kids in one position long enough so you can see how they are coping/developing. I have mentioned to the parents that game time in one game will be uneven, but hope to balance out game time over 3 or 4 games.

I'll add a 5) Goalkeepers must throw/roll the ball out, or play the ball from the ground with their feet. They can't kick or drop-kick the ball directly from their hands.

[sapdad]

someone down thread suggested the rule now says all goalkeeper possessions, but I'm pretty sure the rule is just goal kicks. That being said, I have on occasion told my kids to drop off whenever the keeper has the ball.


Here is the rule from the NNSW JDL rules sheet.

5.6. GOALKEEPERS
The goalkeeper is allowed to handle the ball anywhere in the penalty area.
To restart play after a save or gathering the ball with their hands, the ball must be thrown or rolled
from the hands or played from the ground with their feet, within 6 seconds.
The goalkeeper is not allowed to kick or drop kick the ball directly from their hands. Opponents must
be at least 10 metres outside the penalty area and cannot move inside the penalty area until the ball
is in play. The ball is in play once it moves out of the penalty area or when the goalkeeper places the
ball on the ground.

This is the doc we all got pre-season.Sure enough game 1,I was reffing and calling for players to drop.Right on cue,players,coaches and parents from both teams were yelling at me.It was clear that NONE of them read it (even though we were all given a copy and told to read it).I spoke to the coaches at half time about it and one of them still had the hide to whinge about not knowing.At least the other bloke thanked me for letting him know (he then helped by telling his kids to drop the entire 2nd half).Its a small issue but these things create dramas when people dont know the rules yet feel obliged to yell and scream at volunteer refs.

[Aegon]

1) It is all dependent on the individual.
I have seen a couple of boys around the clubs that have had their development affected negatively by taking the step up.
On the flipside, I think there are lots of kids throughout all the age groups that should take a step up based on physical size & ability. If a kid is doing it pretty easy based on being bigger, faster and stronger they risk relying on their physicality rather than ability. If other kids physically catch up over the years then they may not have developed an ability to cope with it.

2) 100% enforce it as per the instructions from club coaches, etc. If the kids encroach past the drop off line before an attacking player apart from the keeper has a touch then a free kick should be given and the reason why explained to the kids on the pitch.

3) Direct Free kicks are awarded in 11's and 12's only.

4) Kids should never be locked into a single position in JDL/SAP. Nobody can practice all of the 4 core development areas in games by playing sole in a single area on the field all the time.

[Goatscheese]

Here is the rule from the NNSW JDL rules sheet.

This is the doc we all got pre-season.Sure enough game 1,I was reffing and calling for players to drop.Right on cue,players,coaches and parents from both teams were yelling at me.It was clear that NONE of them read it (even though we were all given a copy and told to read it).I spoke to the coaches at half time about it and one of them still had the hide to whinge about not knowing.At least the other bloke thanked me for letting him know (he then helped by telling his kids to drop the entire 2nd half).Its a small issue but these things create dramas when people dont know the rules yet feel obliged to yell and scream at volunteer refs.

Yeah doesn't help when they change it though coaches should be reading the rules. Last year they were allowed to kick out of their feet, good to see with the banning of that rule they also said players must drop off 10m

[Aegon]

Here is the rule from the NNSW JDL rules sheet.

This is the doc we all got pre-season.Sure enough game 1,I was reffing and calling for players to drop.Right on cue,players,coaches and parents from both teams were yelling at me.It was clear that NONE of them read it (even though we were all given a copy and told to read it).I spoke to the coaches at half time about it and one of them still had the hide to whinge about not knowing.At least the other bloke thanked me for letting him know (he then helped by telling his kids to drop the entire 2nd half).Its a small issue but these things create dramas when people dont know the rules yet feel obliged to yell and scream at volunteer refs.

From the JDL Rules:
5.4. GOAL KICK DROP OFF-LINE
All attacking players are required to remain behind the drop-off line when goal kicks are being
taken until the team taking the goal kick has taken a touch.
Not applicable when goalkeeper receives ball in general play.

In general play the defending players are to retreat outside the penalty area and can move forward once the ball has been put on the ground or rolled to an attacking player.

On goal kicks the defending players are to retreat to the drop off line and can move forward once an attacking player has taken a touch.

[Aegon]

JDL Rules on NNSWF website (https://northernnswfootball.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Junior-Development-League-9-12-Years-Rules-REVISED-14042021-1.pdf)

[Goatscheese]

From the JDL Rules:
5.4. GOAL KICK DROP OFF-LINE
All attacking players are required to remain behind the drop-off line when goal kicks are being
taken until the team taking the goal kick has taken a touch.
Not applicable when goalkeeper receives ball in general play.

Yep that is 5.4



In general play the defending players are to retreat outside the penalty area and can move forward once the ball has been put on the ground or rolled to an attacking player.

On goal kicks the defending players are to retreat to the drop off line and can move forward once an attacking player has taken a touch.

This is from 5.6, not outside the penalty area and can move forward, it is 10m outside the penalty area.

The goalkeeper is not allowed to kick or drop kick the ball directly from their hands. Opponents must
be at least 10 metres outside the penalty area and cannot move inside the penalty area until the ball
is in play. The ball is in play once it moves out of the penalty area or when the goalkeeper places the
ball on the ground.

[Goatscheese]

I don't understand this bit though

"If the ball hits any part of the net behind the goalkeeper off a shot, keeper save or deflection, the ball automatically goes to the goalkeeper for a restart;"

Surely it is either a goal or corner kick if off a keeper save.

[sideline88]

I don't understand this bit though

"If the ball hits any part of the net behind the goalkeeper off a shot, keeper save or deflection, the ball automatically goes to the goalkeeper for a restart;"

Surely it is either a goal or corner kick if off a keeper save.

The above is in relation to Phase 1 and the small sided games only

[sapdad]

From the JDL Rules:
5.4. GOAL KICK DROP OFF-LINE
All attacking players are required to remain behind the drop-off line when goal kicks are being
taken until the team taking the goal kick has taken a touch.
Not applicable when goalkeeper receives ball in general play.

In general play the defending players are to retreat outside the penalty area and can move forward once the ball has been put on the ground or rolled to an attacking player.

On goal kicks the defending players are to retreat to the drop off line and can move forward once an attacking player has taken a touch.

Im not sure why you are quoting my post but explaining a different rule.I know the drop off line and goal kick rule.I was talking about the rule for goalies when they are in possession in general play.Thats the one that changed.

[Aegon]

Im not sure why you are quoting my post but explaining a different rule.I know the drop off line and goal kick rule.I was talking about the rule for goalies when they are in possession in general play.Thats the one that changed.

The original post you replied to had a query about all goalkeeper possessions. Wasn't aware the original quoted text would disappear.

[samcan]

Im fine with kids playing up.Its been clear at ages 11 and 12 that the gap between the biggest and smallest kids is pretty large anyway so as long as they can physically handle it then why not.Plenty of JDL 12 kids playing NPL 13's too and from all reports the good ones are handling it just fine.There might be a time soon when those kids will stay back for the extra year of development but hopefully coaches/parents make decisions based on the best interests of the kids and they will be fine.

Kids playing up is really more for the parents ego than anything. Seen it many times.
There are many players that can play up but they only fit in not stand out. I havent seen any superstars that really need this. Maybe in 9's there's a fair bit of discrepancy and staying up for a year can help but after that improvements are large. Even the bigger faster players need to work on other skills. Plenty of time to fill in for the age up in NPL Youth.

[THEBIGCHEESE]

Kids playing up is really more for the parents ego than anything. Seen it many times.
There are many players that can play up but they only fit in not stand out. I havent seen any superstars that really need this. Maybe in 9's there's a fair bit of discrepancy and staying up for a year can help but after that improvements are large. Even the bigger faster players need to work on other skills. Plenty of time to fill in for the age up in NPL Youth.

If a player isn't being challenged enough then they should 100% train with the squad who will. This for the boys train up and for the girls train with the appropriate aged boys. This is my reason, if a player is very good at 1v1 in their age group and goes past others in their team with ease, if you let them stay there they will get into bad habits by only performing this action to 80% of their ability, if they train against other players who a more of a challenge they have to perform the same action against someone who will make them have to be at their 100% best to have success.

[Arsenal222]

Kids playing up is really more for the parents ego than anything. Seen it many times.
There are many players that can play up but they only fit in not stand out. I havent seen any superstars that really need this. Maybe in 9's there's a fair bit of discrepancy and staying up for a year can help but after that improvements are large. Even the bigger faster players need to work on other skills. Plenty of time to fill in for the age up in NPL Youth.

Spoken like a true parent with a bruised ego.

Kids playing up at various ages is a must for their development. The high end of kids particularly in 11s and 12s should be playing up because they need to be tested and develop the high end skills under pressure.

There are a number of U12s playing NPL this year and are very strong in their respective teams, there are 11s playing in the 12s that are most dominant in this age.

So being about a parents ego just goes to show how ill informed you are, how little you actually know about the game and I’m sorry for having a shot at your ego but the conversation isn’t about superstars it’s about placing kids right for their development. As you say you see players playing up that fit in, isn’t that what it’s about having plays fit in to their level so they can continue to improve their alround skills at the appropriate level ??

[sapdad]

Kids choose to play JDL over community because they want a higher level and get selected.Kids move clubs within JDL because they want a higher level and get selected.Kids play up ages because they want a higher level and get selected.Ive yet to see any kids playing up who havent deserved a go and who are doing it for their parents gratification thats for sure.

[Goatscheese]

There are many players that can play up but they only fit in not stand out. I havent seen any superstars that really need this.

If they are playing up and a superstar than they should be pushed up again

[Goatscheese]

Ive yet to see any kids playing up who havent deserved a go and who are doing it for their parents gratification thats for sure.

I have because the father was very insistent going on about it and complaining to the committee when the TD suggested he go back down as he was struggling in U10s, but only once

[sapdad]

I have because the father was very insistent going on about it and complaining to the committee when the TD suggested he go back down as he was struggling in U10s, but only once

Id be shocked if the kid is still playing at 16 with mess like that surrounding him.If the TD gave in to the parent then heaven help us all.

[Jim]

Kids playing up is really more for the parents ego than anything. Seen it many times.
There are many players that can play up but they only fit in not stand out. I havent seen any superstars that really need this. Maybe in 9's there's a fair bit of discrepancy and staying up for a year can help but after that improvements are large. Even the bigger faster players need to work on other skills. Plenty of time to fill in for the age up in NPL Youth.

wow. Youve hurt a few egos with this one.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/505/717/49b.jpg

If there's space above go for it. It won't make or break a professional.

[YewYew]

What is up at Maitland? Heard SAP coaches got sacked this week. Kids all miserable. Speak to me!

[Game_over]

From the JDL Rules:
5.4. GOAL KICK DROP OFF-LINE
All attacking players are required to remain behind the drop-off line when goal kicks are being
taken until the team taking the goal kick has taken a touch.
Not applicable when goalkeeper receives ball in general play.

In general play the defending players are to retreat outside the penalty area and can move forward once the ball has been put on the ground or rolled to an attacking player.

On goal kicks the defending players are to retreat to the drop off line and can move forward once an attacking player has taken a touch.

Funny, I was at a game on the weekend and saw 2 coaches from the same team yelling at the game leader because they didn't understand this rule. Obviously in the group of coaches that didn't read the rules :grin:

Same 2 coaches through out negative after negative comments to their kids also, I do feel sorry for the players in teams that have coaches that carry on that way.

[Aegon]

What is up at Maitland? Heard SAP coaches got sacked this week. Kids all miserable. Speak to me!

I've heard on the grapevine that they have told the parents from this years 11's squad that they'll be reducing down to one team in 2022 and have already informed individuals that they will not be at the club next season.

On the coaching front - No idea what is going on there, they did actually advertise for coaches for JDL several weeks ago. Seems very early in a season to be replacing coaches.

[sapdad]

I've heard on the grapevine that they have told the parents from this years 11's squad that they'll be reducing down to one team in 2022 and have already informed individuals that they will not be at the club next season.

On the coaching front - No idea what is going on there, they did actually advertise for coaches for JDL several weeks ago. Seems very early in a season to be replacing coaches.

What a crappy thing to do to the kids this early in the year, let alone going to one team the last year before needing a bigger squad.That didnt work for Jaffas, it isnt working for New Lambton and its not the point of the program.But anyway we have all been over that before.They were advertising for coaches for the remainder of this year and into next year for multiple age groups so the decision to let this JDL coach go was made a while back it seems.

[KITZ]

What a crappy thing to do to the kids this early in the year, let alone going to one team the last year before needing a bigger squad.That didnt work for Jaffas, it isnt working for New Lambton and its not the point of the program.But anyway we have all been over that before.They were advertising for coaches for the remainder of this year and into next year for multiple age groups so the decision to let this JDL coach go was made a while back it seems.

Is it possible to coach decided to leave rather than being let go?

Jaffas won't trial anyway into 13s, their director of football will just go out and pick who he wants - don't think having one squad would bother him at all.

[Aegon]

Is it possible to coach decided to leave rather than being let go?

Nope - Info is the Maitland SAP TD has also been let go this week. One of the coaches let go was his son.

[sapdad]

Jaffas won't trial anyway into 13s, their director of football will just go out and pick who he wants - don't think having one squad would bother him at all.

Jaffas went from two squads in 10's to one in 11's then back to 2 in 12's.That to me says they acknowledge their error.

[Jim]

Is it possible to coach decided to leave rather than being let go?

Jaffas won't trial anyway into 13s, their director of football will just go out and pick who he wants - don't think having one squad would bother him at all.

Wrong again. Why do you bother with the cryfest. Players will go where THEY want.

[Jim]

Nope - Info is the Maitland SAP TD has also been let go this week. One of the coaches let go was his son.

Must have their reasons. Do they have others ready to come in for next year?

[Captain_Carl]

The man who runs the Facebook page ‘Play Premier Football JDL/SAP Junior Development League’ is a wonderful man. If you have not seen it I highly recommend you do. He promotes all things good about JDL and shares posts from all clubs. He has no financial interests with running the page, just a passion for helping parents, players and clubs to see the best of what the program has to offer. I am proud to call him my mate.

[KITZ]

Wrong again. Why do you bother with the cryfest. Players will go where THEY want.

wrong about what? I can tell you that Jaffas didn't run trials - NPL players were selected and recruited by the Jaffas Football Manager. Thats not wrong that's a fact.

[Goatscheese]

wrong about what? I can tell you that Jaffas didn't run trials - NPL players were selected and recruited by the Jaffas Football Manager. Thats not wrong that's a fact.

Ignore Jim, just a troll who knows little about what is actually going on in general let alone local football.

[Take it easy]

wrong about what? I can tell you that Jaffas didn't run trials - NPL players were selected and recruited by the Jaffas Football Manager. Thats not wrong that's a fact.

💯

[Arsenal222]

I’m hearing TSP teams have been selected and advised for the 12s, no surprise it’s the TD favourites again

[Jim]

The man who runs the Facebook page ‘Play Premier Football JDL/SAP Junior Development League’ is a wonderful man. If you have not seen it I highly recommend you do. He promotes all things good about JDL and shares posts from all clubs. He has no financial interests with running the page, just a passion for helping parents, players and clubs to see the best of what the program has to offer. I am proud to call him my mate.

Well said

[Jim]

Ignore Jim, just a troll who knows little about what is actually going on in general let alone local football.

And here comes the boyfriend to defend his mate rofl. Dont know me so cant know much. Keep walkin

[Jim]

wrong about what? I can tell you that Jaffas didn't run trials - NPL players were selected and recruited by the Jaffas Football Manager. Thats not wrong that's a fact.

Trials will happen but not in pack style. Thats enough info.

[Jim]

I’m hearing TSP teams have been selected and advised for the 12s, no surprise it’s the TD favourites again

Some must be worthy

[Isthisforreal]

I’m hearing TSP teams have been selected and advised for the 12s, no surprise it’s the TD favourites again

Are you referring to Club TDs or NNSW TD?

[Isthisforreal]

Heard it was the other way round but I dont I can be bothered worrying about it. Its done.

Be interesting to see how many of those lads end up in the Jests.

Just rehashing an old conversation but it’s pretty good indication that leaving the Jaffas has been a good thing. 5 of the boys that have left over the past couple of years are in the 12s TSP squad for this year.

Well done boys

[finzee]

Just rehashing an old conversation but it’s pretty good indication that leaving the Jaffas has been a good thing. 5 of the boys that have left over the past couple of years are in the 12s TSP squad for this year.

Well done boys

They were at TSP level before they left Jaffas. Decent JDL system there as at quite a few clubs now.

[Goatscheese]

3 from Newcastle Olympic
4 from Edgeworth
3 from Broadmeadow
3 from Maitland
2 from Charlestown
1 from Lambton
1 from Lake Macquarie

[Isthisforreal]

3 from Newcastle Olympic
4 from Edgeworth
3 from Broadmeadow
3 from Maitland
2 from Charlestown
1 from Lambton
1 from Lake Macquarie

Close 4 from Olympic and 3 from Valentine

[Isthisforreal]

They were at TSP level before they left Jaffas. Decent JDL system there as at quite a few clubs now.
@ TSP level largely thanks to JWF not the Jaffas, they benefited from Jobes association with the club at the time

[finzee]

@ TSP level largely thanks to JWF not the Jaffas, they benefited from Jobes association with the club at the time

Oh ok. Just confirming that Jaffas does nothing to develop but skills comes from everywhere else. And other clubs do all the developing. Got it?

What whore were you dropped fro to become this retarded?

[Arsenal222]

Are you referring to Club TDs or NNSW TD?

Club.

[Arsenal222]

@ TSP level largely thanks to JWF not the Jaffas, they benefited from Jobes association with the club at the time

💯💯

[Arsenal222]

Oh ok. Just confirming that Jaffas does nothing to develop but skills comes from everywhere else. And other clubs do all the developing. Got it?

What whore were you dropped fro to become this retarded?


If you knew the history of what has happened in the Jaffas since the original SAP squads introduced, you might have a clue. He’s on the money and the club have finally got the program in order but it’s taken 4 years. The 12s age group were the poorly treated hence the number who have left over that period



And as for your other comment, nothing but a pig, keyboard warrior 🤡

[Goatscheese]

Close 4 from Olympic and 3 from Valentine

No it was 3 from Olympic and 2 from Valentine which I missed

[Isthisforreal]

No it was 3 from Olympic and 2 from Valentine which I missed

Definitely 4 from Olympic and 3 from Valentine

[SuperFish]

3 from Newcastle Olympic
4 from Edgeworth
3 from Broadmeadow
3 from Maitland
2 from Charlestown
1 from Lambton
1 from Lake Macquarie


2 of the boys from Edgeworth play in their 13s NPL squad. Very quality players apparently. If that’s the case, then we’ll done to Edgy for providing an opportunity for the younger boys to push up

[Take it easy]

2 of the boys from Edgeworth play in their 13s NPL squad. Very quality players apparently. If that’s the case, then we’ll done to Edgy for providing an opportunity for the younger boys to push up

7 of the kids selected play up. It’s good to see some clubs promoting quality

[Arsenal222]

7 of the kids selected play up. It’s good to see some clubs promoting quality

2 Edgy
2 Valo
2 Maitland
1 Azzuri

[Goatscheese]

Definitely 4 from Olympic and 3 from Valentine

I'm not going to argue with you, I've got the list in front me. So unless you're trying to be clever like, one of the players at a club spent all his years at Valentine but this year is at another club you're wrong.

[Isthisforreal]

I'm not going to argue with you, I've got the list in front me. So unless you're trying to be clever like, one of the players at a club spent all his years at Valentine but this year is at another club you're wrong.

Let’s agree to disagree then .. Must be a different list for different people.. even Valo put up a FB post 👌

[Goatscheese]

https://imgur.com/a/qZSHSxg

[Isthisforreal]

I'm not going to argue with you, I've got the list in front me. So unless you're trying to be clever like, one of the players at a club spent all his years at Valentine but this year is at another club you're wrong.


You’re probably missing the keeper on the page further down

[Goatscheese]

Proabably

[Alan]

Hi guys.

It's been a drink or two since i stepped foot in this here forum. Glad to see you are all as passionate as ever... although some of the recent insults are very unnecessary.

I would love to hear how any of the girls SAP parents are finding their experiences this season? My niece is enjoying it but wishes the Emerging Jets system did not fall away. She found the Jets training and games v boys team far more challenging then what is on offer this year.

Some of her former teammates have been give opportunities with boys teams but it is a tough road for a girl settling in around preadolescent boys.

Wud be great to know how others are getting on?

A

[KITZ]

Hi guys.

It's been a drink or two since i stepped foot in this here forum. Glad to see you are all as passionate as ever... although some of the recent insults are very unnecessary.

I would love to hear how any of the girls SAP parents are finding their experiences this season? My niece is enjoying it but wishes the Emerging Jets system did not fall away. She found the Jets training and games v boys team far more challenging then what is on offer this year.

Some of her former teammates have been give opportunities with boys teams but it is a tough road for a girl settling in around preadolescent boys.

Wud be great to know how others are getting on?

A

I think it will take a couple of seasons for the program to settle in, seems a little all over the shop - and there's not many 10s teams as there's quite a few 10s playing 11s - 11s playing 12s - 12's playing 13s WPL - I think girls football is a bit different from the boys in general because the develop and grow at different times.

[Aegon]

Definitely 4 from Olympic and 3 from Valentine

Didn't Olympic have 6+ kids in TSP in 2019. They definitely seem like the stand out club in the Under 12's, Only asking because I was surprised they only have 4.

How many kids were selected, 18-20?

[Aegon]

7 of the kids selected play up. It’s good to see some clubs promoting quality

Did the boys have to be registered in Under 12's and just play up every week anyway?

Looking through the revised rules for playing up from the start of this year it doesn't exactly seem clear.

In previous years it wasn't even allowed for 12's to play up if I am not mistaken.

[sapdad]

Did the boys have to be registered in Under 12's and just play up every week anyway?

Looking through the revised rules for playing up from the start of this year it doesn't exactly seem clear.

In previous years it wasn't even allowed for 12's to play up if I am not mistaken.

Pretty sure the kids at Edgeworth and Maitland playing up are in the NPL 13's squads and not part of any JDL program.Regardless,well done to all the lads that made it.No doubt there will be kids in the program that felt hard done by but to be honest TSP isnt going to be the difference between making it and not making it.All the good kids will end up exactly where they are destined to be im sure of that.TSP is a good recognition for kids that are clearly the top of the pile but its not going to cost anyone a chance of making it if they didnt get in this year.

[Arsenal222]

Didn't Olympic have 6+ kids in TSP in 2019. They definitely seem like the stand out club in the Under 12's, Only asking because I was surprised they only have 4.

How many kids were selected, 18-20?

They lost a player to an NPL team this year, definitely the standout club in 12s, could have easily filled 8 places.

[Arsenal222]

Did the boys have to be registered in Under 12's and just play up every week anyway?

Looking through the revised rules for playing up from the start of this year it doesn't exactly seem clear.

In previous years it wasn't even allowed for 12's to play up if I am not mistaken.

This is the first year premier clubs have had 9s-first grade, now the gap has closed moving players up is much easier.

Also helps level out the JDL program by moving the better players up an challenging them.

[Aegon]

I found this that clears it up:

Age Restrictions - General
With clubs having the full range of age groups from 9s to 16s available in the youth programs, players will
be able to move between grades, up to a maximum of two years, until they turn 15 years old.

A couple of examples are below:

A player at an NPL or NL1 club turning 11, currently playing for the Premier 11s will be able to
step up to both the Premier 12s and the NPL / NL1 13s, without seeking an exemption.
A player at a WPL club currently playing Premier 12s will be able to step up to WPL 13s, but will
not be able to play WPL15s without seeking an exemption;
A player 15 years or older can play in any age grade from 15 years and above

[Alan]

I think it will take a couple of seasons for the program to settle in, seems a little all over the shop - and there's not many 10s teams as there's quite a few 10s playing 11s - 11s playing 12s - 12's playing 13s WPL - I think girls football is a bit different from the boys in general because the develop and grow at different times.

Hi Kitz,

Yes you echo my thoughts. I have seen some good soccer played this year mainly in U12's but I do wonder if SAP across all the girls age groups is sustainable. Will those teams running 11's and 12's only this year have 11's next when they didn't run 10's this year? If yes where are these players coming from? Most filled their teams will as many or association team girls players as they could. Without these systems to pluck players from i worry that numbers will be down next year.

A

[samcan]

I found this that clears it up:

Age Restrictions - General
With clubs having the full range of age groups from 9s to 16s available in the youth programs, players will
be able to move between grades, up to a maximum of two years, until they turn 15 years old.

A couple of examples are below:

A player at an NPL or NL1 club turning 11, currently playing for the Premier 11s will be able to
step up to both the Premier 12s and the NPL / NL1 13s, without seeking an exemption.
A player at a WPL club currently playing Premier 12s will be able to step up to WPL 13s, but will
not be able to play WPL15s without seeking an exemption;
A player 15 years or older can play in any age grade from 15 years and above


11's to 13's is a big step up. Particularly in size but if the club think they are ready then give a it go.

Also, There may be some advantage to play for a "weaker" club as there may be more opportunities to play up or have extra games which could be a quicker development situation.

[Goatscheese]

In previous years it wasn't even allowed for 12's to play up if I am not mistaken.

Northern banned it for the 2020 season (though some NPL clubs got exemptions, once again Northern not following their own rules) but now allow players to play up to two years above. Unless you''re 15 or over then you can play as many grades up as you want.

[Take it easy]

Northern banned it for the 2020 season (though some NPL clubs got exemptions, once again Northern not following their own rules) but now allow players to play up to two years above. Unless you''re 15 or over then you can play as many grades up as you want.

You really do talk shit, it was never banned. It has always been by application until this season when the JDL meet the NPL. The exemptions granted last year were mainly to the former Jets academy players that went to NPL when they folded the U12s as they went to the Sydney comp.

Always has to be someone try to blame northern, you’re in club land stop grasping at straws and pouring shit on NNSW when it’s not the facts

[Retired01]

They lost a player to an NPL team this year, definitely the standout club in 12s, could have easily filled 8 places.

When we play against Olympic they are just well drilled and organised and yes they have 1 or 2 players in each 12s team which are there go to players. When we play we dont see them as a team of stars but beat us with excellent football. This is just the same at Broadmeadow with only 1 or 2 standouts but play good football and belt other teams or grind out good teams week in and out. Surprised with the number of valentine players who were selected considering there results along with the Edgeworth selections.
IMO The 13s selections from a few clubs will get found out as non skillful and just dominant personalities and faults are hidden on the bigger parks.

[samcan]

IMO The 13s selections from a few clubs will get found out as non skillful and just dominant personalities and faults are hidden on the bigger parks.

Thats why we need trials. NPL 13s centre back leaked a few goals playing against his own age group u12s in Hunter trials this week. U12s CB (HV team) from the other team was better.

Guess who got picked?

[sapdad]

Thats why we need trials. NPL 13s centre back leaked a few goals playing against his own age group u12s in Hunter trials this week. U12s CB (HV team) from the other team was better.

Guess who got picked?

But then arent you limiting it to a one game sample size?Is that any fairer than the current system?Coaches and TD's know their players and the level they should be at to get into these programs.If they get nominated but not picked then so be it, its not the end of the world for anyone.

[Take it easy]

But then arent you limiting it to a one game sample size?Is that any fairer than the current system?Coaches and TD's know their players and the level they should be at to get into these programs.If they get nominated but not picked then so be it, its not the end of the world for anyone.

The whole argument is flawed and I agree with you coaches and TDs know the kids best. The club picks its best team to play in the NPL 13s from the pool they have to chose from at their trials, yes some clubs pick players to play up a year because they were in the top 13-14 players at THEIR trials doesn’t necessarily mean they are the best U12s in newcastle.

We’ve played against all clubs, it’s known who the 12s kids are and most hold their own with a couple of actual standouts. Our side is strong across the park and didn’t have room for a 12s player but I’m certainly not against seeing the 12s get their opportunity. Pick the best kids available to you regardless of age.

[traffic light]

But then arent you limiting it to a one game sample size?Is that any fairer than the current system?Coaches and TD's know their players and the level they should be at to get into these programs.If they get nominated but not picked then so be it, its not the end of the world for anyone.


this is incorrect on many levels and as stated above showing that TDs opinions can be quite subjective. Remember if the 13s arent strong most 12s can fill in.

Seeing the players together and opposing gives the best picture.

[sapdad]

this is incorrect on many levels and as stated above showing that TDs opinions can be quite subjective.

Explain how this incorrect on many levels.Also, your opinion (as well as mine) on players is just as subjective as TD's and coaches.What you are looking for and what they want may be two completely different things.Ill put more faith in them at the moment unless you can convince me otherwise.

[KITZ]

Explain how this incorrect on many levels.Also, your opinion (as well as mine) on players is just as subjective as TD's and coaches.What you are looking for and what they want may be two completely different things.Ill put more faith in them at the moment unless you can convince me otherwise.

what they need to report on is how many of them after TSP / Jets etc play senior football. Who they pick is irrelevant if none of those kids are having any success in their development at the end of it all. Also, how many of those who miss out on TSP still play senior football and if being in one has no bearing on the other occurring (which to me would be a big statement about football development in NNSW).

Ive seen one out of TSP at fifteen that was a GK now playing on the field in the 16's - to me that's not a success in the program - just one example but I'm sure if people look hard enough they will see kids falling out all over the place. Obviously people don't think that far ahead until their kids start getting older from a SAP perspective - but something to consider.

[sapdad]

what they need to report on is how many of them after TSP / Jets etc play senior football. Who they pick is irrelevant if none of those kids are having any success in their development at the end of it all. Also, how many of those who miss out on TSP still play senior football and if being in one has no bearing on the other occurring (which to me would be a big statement about football development in NNSW).

Ive seen one out of TSP at fifteen that was a GK now playing on the field in the 16's - to me that's not a success in the program - just one example but I'm sure if people look hard enough they will see kids falling out all over the place. Obviously people don't think that far ahead until their kids start getting older from a SAP perspective - but something to consider.

All fair points.My post was only about TDs and coaches having the better opinion and using the largest sample size available.Its clear those opinions are very different in even such a small space as NNSW.TSP is just another program to try and develop the kids in the same way that JDL is a way to develop them as opposed to traditional community football.None of these pathways is the correct one,especially at this age as these kids coming through will be the first graduates of the new system.Hopefully NNSW continually tweaks the program every year in order to make it even better.Kids will drop out, kids will come from outside the program and all of it is fine.Wherever kids end up,either Jets/NPL or All Age with their mates, I just want them to give it their best and not think that if they havent been selected at 12 for some extra training thats its all over.

[Jim]

All fair points.My post was only about TDs and coaches having the better opinion and using the largest sample size available.

Having the sample size in front of you for direct comparison is 2nd to none for me.

[Goatscheese]

You really do talk shit, it was never banned. It has always been by application until this season when the JDL meet the NPL. The exemptions granted last year were mainly to the former Jets academy players that went to NPL when they folded the U12s as they went to the Sydney comp.

Always has to be someone try to blame northern, you’re in club land stop grasping at straws and pouring shit on NNSW when it’s not the facts

Northern have taken down last season's rules but I can tell you that Northern did ban U12s from registering in U13s last year. You even admit they made exemptions, if it was allowed they would never have needed to make exemptions.

[Bremsstrahlung]

All fair points.My post was only about TDs and coaches having the better opinion and using the largest sample size available.Its clear those opinions are very different in even such a small space as NNSW.TSP is just another program to try and develop the kids in the same way that JDL is a way to develop them as opposed to traditional community football.None of these pathways is the correct one,especially at this age as these kids coming through will be the first graduates of the new system.Hopefully NNSW continually tweaks the program every year in order to make it even better.Kids will drop out, kids will come from outside the program and all of it is fine.Wherever kids end up,either Jets/NPL or All Age with their mates, I just want them to give it their best and not think that if they havent been selected at 12 for some extra training thats its all over.

Times are so different now with opportunity and I feel for the kids (in the sense that there seems a lot of pressure to make these teams or their football dreams are over).
Newcastle United Youth teams folded the year I trialled as a bit of fun, got told I wasn’t in the picture for the squad atm, but there was a chance if there were cancellations. They folded, that squad basically went into Macquarie and NPS SYL which had replaced the older club based SYL. Played inter district juniors in like G-B grade until 15s when ID senior coach invited me to play and train. Which I thought was the top tier at the time. He then told me about NBN trials and off I went into the NBN/NPL system at 16 with no previous “elite” training. Imo, held my own and maybe lacked the skill of some but made up for it with effort, communication and willingness to learn.

I guess now, kids are so lucky that parents like you, know about and are aware and able to access these elite programs. My parents has NFI. My cousin married an ex breakers who played first grade at Edgy, and my parents thought it was their All age A grade....
kids can develop and make it at any age. Preserve fence and effort go just as far as natural talent imo.

[Aegon]

Times are so different now with opportunity and I feel for the kids (in the sense that there seems a lot of pressure to make these teams or their football dreams are over).
Newcastle United Youth teams folded the year I trialled as a bit of fun, got told I wasn’t in the picture for the squad atm, but there was a chance if there were cancellations. They folded, that squad basically went into Macquarie and NPS SYL which had replaced the older club based SYL. Played inter district juniors in like G-B grade until 15s when ID senior coach invited me to play and train. Which I thought was the top tier at the time. He then told me about NBN trials and off I went into the NBN/NPL system at 16 with no previous “elite” training. Imo, held my own and maybe lacked the skill of some but made up for it with effort, communication and willingness to learn.

I guess now, kids are so lucky that parents like you, know about and are aware and able to access these elite programs. My parents has NFI. My cousin married an ex breakers who played first grade at Edgy, and my parents thought it was their All age A grade....
kids can develop and make it at any age. Preserve fence and effort go just as far as natural talent imo.

Unless you have a footballing background or a link to the premier clubs the information was not easy to find. Community clubs have no incentive to advertise it.

The only reason I found out about SAP/JDL was through co-workers & even then they were pointing me towards the old association SAP program. Thankfully the Hunter Valley Football Operations Manager was extremely helpful and pointed me in the right direction.

[sapdad]

I guess now, kids are so lucky that parents like you, know about and are aware and able to access these elite programs.

I had no idea of the SAP program.My sons community coach thought he was decent enough and more importantly in love with the game that he suggested my son trial.From there he has had an amazing experience and still has the same enjoyment for the game.In contrast one of his mates is a year older and never had any experience other than community football but went straight into one of the top 4 NPL youth clubs and is thriving.Im all for every kid hopefully finding their own path and setting their own goals.Kids in my sons team are laser focused on wanting to play for the Jets and there is no reason to doubt them based on ability and desire,i hope they make it.My son would love to get into an NPL youth squad and develop further from there.He wont ever make TSP or play for the jets but i wouldnt swap the experience for anything in the world.My kid has met so many awesome people and made lifelong friendships that may no have been there without being involved in JDL.I look at JDL like anything in life,if you can give your kid the best chance at a happy and educational experience you take it.

[Jim]

Northern have taken down last season's rules but I can tell you that Northern did ban U12s from registering in U13s last year. You even admit they made exemptions, if it was allowed they would never have needed to make exemptions.

This is correct. Mandate was Jets kids 12s only for 13s. All different now so who cares.

[Aegon]

Received an update from the club:


Phase 2 wraps up 4-6 June
Phase 3 draw released on the 9th of June
No games 11-13 June
Phase 3 commences 18-20 June
No games 2-4 July
Phase 3 concludes 27-29 August


That means Phase 2 is 8 rounds & Phase 3 is 10 rounds.
So an 18 round season.

Same amount of rounds as the COVID reduced 2020 season but finishing 2 months earlier.
4 rounds less then 2019 finishing 2 weeks earlier. They played 2 games per round.
4 rounds less then 2018 finishing roughly the same time. They played 2 games per round.

[KITZ]

Received an update from the club:


Phase 2 wraps up 4-6 June
Phase 3 draw released on the 9th of June
No games 11-13 June
Phase 3 commences 18-20 June
No games 2-4 July
Phase 3 concludes 27-29 August


That means Phase 2 is 8 rounds & Phase 3 is 10 rounds.
So an 18 round season.

Same amount of rounds as the COVID reduced 2020 season but finishing 2 months earlier.
4 rounds less then 2019 finishing 2 weeks earlier. They played 2 games per round.
4 rounds less then 2018 finishing roughly the same time. They played 2 games per round.

wonder when preseason will start then?

[sapdad]

wonder when preseason will start then?

Judging by the goings on around the traps at the moment 2022 U/13's NPL preseason has already started.

[Take it easy]

Judging by the goings on around the traps at the moment 2022 U/13's NPL preseason has already started.

Is there movement already ?

[sapdad]

That means Phase 2 is 8 rounds & Phase 3 is 10 rounds.
So an 18 round season.

Same amount of rounds as the COVID reduced 2020 season but finishing 2 months earlier.
4 rounds less then 2019 finishing 2 weeks earlier. They played 2 games per round.
4 rounds less then 2018 finishing roughly the same time. They played 2 games per round.

In saying that, the consistency of competitive games this year has far outweighed any other year.Less games but also less 20-0 blowouts.Some scores I've seen have been deceptive as the games themselves have been high quality even contests.Id much rather this set up than years 1 and 2 for sure.

[Aegon]

In saying that, the consistency of competitive games this year has far outweighed any other year.Less games but also less 20-0 blowouts.Some scores I've seen have been deceptive as the games themselves have been high quality even contests.Id much rather this set up than years 1 and 2 for sure.

I agree with every word of this.

My bugbear is more with the consistent reduction in playing time with no commensurate reduction in fees to NNSWF.

Northerns portion of the fees is greater than the full fees at some community clubs without the benefit of game leaders being provided or draws being issued with enough notice.

With an 18 game season you could go back play community level with finals and play the same amount of actual game time.

[Isthisforreal]

Is there movement already ?

The movement started last year, Jaffas offered a magic player last year a spot in the NPL next year if he came across and played 12s this year

[Sheshootsshescores]

The movement started last year, Jaffas offered a magic player last year a spot in the NPL next year if he came across and played 12s this year

I find that hard to believe, didn’t this side already have multiple TSP players ??

[Jim]

The movement started last year, Jaffas offered a magic player last year a spot in the NPL next year if he came across and played 12s this year

Yawn. Players move where ever they want. Other clubs offer much more. You can guess who

[Jim]

I agree with every word of this.

My bugbear is more with the consistent reduction in playing time with no commensurate reduction in fees to NNSWF.

Northerns portion of the fees is greater than the full fees at some community clubs without the benefit of game leaders being provided or draws being issued with enough notice.

With an 18 game season you could go back play community level with finals and play the same amount of actual game time.

Yeah its a farce. JDL chest puffing by spineless nnsw delivering incompetence. Minimum 22 rds.

[Take it easy]

Yawn. Players move where ever they want. Other clubs offer much more. You can guess who

Who Jim? You talk a big game but always make empty statements.

We’re talking local NPL aside from the occasional free rego to a player what is there ??

If Kids go where they want, why are clubs offering anything ?

[Take it easy]

I find that hard to believe, didn’t this side already have multiple TSP players ??

If you read further up on this thread, I think you’ll find the Jaffas lost a lot of players after last year

[Arsenal222]

I find that hard to believe, didn’t this side already have multiple TSP players ??

Believe it, this amongst so many other reasons a group of parents made the smart choice to leave

[Aegon]

Believe it, this amongst so many other reasons a group of parents made the smart choice to leave

It’s funny how it was only a single age group where this happened.

Club issues or parents sense of entitlement?

The kids never seems unhappy at training or during the games.

[Arsenal222]

It’s funny how it was only a single age group where this happened.

Club issues or parents sense of entitlement?

The kids never seems unhappy at training or during the games.

Obviously you don’t know the kids nor the parents.

Enlightenment me on why you say parents sense of entitlement?

[Aegon]

Obviously you don’t know the kids nor the parents.

Enlightenment me on why you say parents sense of entitlement?

Parents (in general - not everyone) in that age group were
Unhappy they didn’t have a say when NF were engaged to provide technical support.
Constantly butting heads with the Director of Football after he was appointed.
Divided between the JWF clique and the non JWF families.
Difficult to get volunteers from for home games.
After hearing about the second 12’s team being introduced some outright refused to mix their kids with the “new kids”.

This is just what I can remember off the top of my head.

[Arsenal222]

Parents (in general - not everyone) in that age group were
Unhappy they didn’t have a say when NF were engaged to provide technical support.
Constantly butting heads with the Director of Football after he was appointed.
Divided between the JWF clique and the non JWF families.
Difficult to get volunteers from for home games.
After hearing about the second 12’s team being introduced some outright refused to mix their kids with the “new kids”.

This is just what I can remember off the top of my head.

So if Richard told you the sky was falling in and the earth was flat you’d believe him too?

[Aegon]

So if Richard told you the sky was falling in and the earth was flat you’d believe him too?

Lol, you asked the question, I gave you a response.

Now you’re making an assumption on where it was heard. You forget there are managers, co-ordinators & other parents who talk.

You are just showing your inherent bias. As I mentioned earlier. It’s funny the issues only occurred in a single age group.

[Arsenal222]

Parents (in general - not everyone) in that age group were
Unhappy they didn’t have a say when NF were engaged to provide technical support. FALSE
Constantly butting heads with the Director of Football after he was appointed. FALSE
Divided between the JWF clique and the non JWF families. FALSE and actually laughable

Difficult to get volunteers from for home games. FALSE
After hearing about the second 12’s team being introduced some outright refused to mix their kids with the “new kids”. FASLE and Actually laughable again and it’s this point that identifies it comes from Richard.

This is just what I can remember off the top of my head.


Hey just wanted to clarify the above for you, might need to fact check before you open up.

[traffic light]

Lol, you asked the question, I gave you a response.

Now you’re making an assumption on where it was heard. You forget there are managers, co-ordinators & other parents who talk.

You are just showing your inherent bias. As I mentioned earlier. It’s funny the issues only occurred in a single age group.

dont feed the trolls. Unhappy parents at every club at some point. Theres been plenty at the big 4 but dont let that bother you.

Make a decision and move on. In the end how many will make the Aleague from here? 0.5?

[KITZ]

dont feed the trolls. Unhappy parents at every club at some point. Theres been plenty at the big 4 but dont let that bother you.

Make a decision and move on. In the end how many will make the Aleague from here? 0.5?

Parents don't even realise how hard it is just to make first grade in the NPL.

[Jim]

Parents don't even realise how hard it is just to make first grade in the NPL.

Interesting point. We have around 150 NPL players graduating NPL U16s EACH year.

Say about half getting to U18s then a dozen max each year gaining some continuous time in NPL?

[sapdad]

Obviously you don’t know the kids nor the parents.

Enlightenment me on why you say parents sense of entitlement?

Its ok,the New Lambton Kids that left last year all have the worst parents in the world too according to some.As some one who knows parents from both clubs mentioned,not one of them has regretted moving on.Probably something in that.Clubs are fine theres always kids willing to take a spot.Its best we all move on.

[NewyGem]

So if Richard told you the sky was falling in and the earth was flat you’d believe him too?

I believe there is a broader cultural issue at the Jaffas.

I became aware of 2 recent examples that point to the issue.

1. A team manager for the U/12 team sent a message ahead of the Newcastle Olympic game denigrating less fortunate members of society (housing commission) who reside close to Darling St oval. The manger has not been reprimanded by the club.

2. A defender within the U/12 team continues to target players in back play. In yesterdays game he karate kicked a NO player off the ball and subsequently scythed the same player down in the following play with the ball well and truly gone. What are Jaffas senior coaching figures doing about such behaviour. Will it take a serious injury to deal with and correct the beahviour?

[BS detecor]

I believe there is a broader cultural issue at the Jaffas.

I became aware of 2 recent examples that point to the issue.

1. A team manager for the U/12 team sent a message ahead of the Newcastle Olympic game denigrating less fortunate members of society (housing commission) who reside close to Darling St oval. The manger has not been reprimanded by the club.

2. A defender within the U/12 team continues to target players in back play. In yesterdays game he karate kicked a NO player off the ball and subsequently scythed the same player down in the following play with the ball well and truly gone. What are Jaffas senior coaching figures doing about such behaviour. Will it take a serious injury to deal with and correct the beahviour?

Anyone who has ever played at darling st knows they are the first ones to banter the “people less fortunate🙄” behind the ground.

Anyone who has ever played NO has come up against players who don’t mind a back field cheap shot especially if the game isn’t going their way.

I don’t think that’s an isolated jaffas problem

[Arsenal222]

Anyone who has ever played at darling st knows they are the first ones to banter the “people less fortunate🙄” behind the ground.

Anyone who has ever played NO has come up against players who donÂ’t mind a back field cheap shot especially if the game isnÂ’t going their way.

I donÂ’t think thatÂ’s an isolated jaffas problem

Jaffas have a problem, they can try and isolate a group of parents who have left the club as the problem but it still exists. Hopefully 2022 might be the year of the Jaffa once a few more have left.

[Retired01]

Jaffas have a problem, they can try and isolate a group of parents who have left the club as the problem but it still exists. Hopefully 2022 might be the year of the Jaffa once a few more have left.

Now that all the warriors have carried on about the parents and club how did the most important people (the Boys) play against the so called giants?

[Arsenal222]

I believe there is a broader cultural issue at the Jaffas.

I became aware of 2 recent examples that point to the issue.

1. A team manager for the U/12 team sent a message ahead of the Newcastle Olympic game denigrating less fortunate members of society (housing commission) who reside close to Darling St oval. The manger has not been reprimanded by the club.

2. A defender within the U/12 team continues to target players in back play. In yesterdays game he karate kicked a NO player off the ball and subsequently scythed the same player down in the following play with the ball well and truly gone. What are Jaffas senior coaching figures doing about such behaviour. Will it take a serious injury to deal with and correct the beahviour?

It’s disgraceful behaviour I agree on both fronts, as some dumb shit has already commented it not the first nor the last time it will happen against NO, but to condone it at JDL is absolutely disgraceful.

But don’t panic it’s ok, it will be the previous parents who have left or it will be a rouge parent and player or even better it will be the JWF group

There will be every excuse under the sun to condone the club’s behaviour and yes it is the club, once you pay your registration you become a representative of the club. It’s disappointing because not everyone who represents the club is of this nature but it certainly brought on by the club.

[Isthisforreal]

Now that all the warriors have carried on about the parents and club how did the most important people (the Boys) play against the so called giants?

Like you would expect in the 12s, when you lose quality like the 12s you can’t expect to compete can you ? The Goalkeeper (who played in both games) was the only reason score lines didn’t blowout. Olympic were a class above, well coached, well drilled and well mannered.

[Cunning stunts]

Getting back to the focus of Kids and development.

Seeing a number of games over the past few weeks in various age groups wanted to highlight a few things and see other peoples thoughts.

1) negativity - So many times i have seen negativity from parents and more importantly coaches. Things as simple as body language from coach or coaches can have a real impact on players. We need to remember we are building kids up to be not only quality little footballers but also growing and molding them as humans. Give kids negative feedback all the time is never a good thing. Too often you hear or see coaches telling kids that was "crap", saying they are disappointed in them or even throwing there hands up when things don't go there way/ slouched over and uninterested in there chairs when the game isn't going as expected. Kids look and see this they need to look and see positivity and feel encouraged to continue

2) Coaching techniques, i have seen coaches cheering and celebrating other teams/kids mistakes that is quite disappointing. Also yelling things like "whack them" & "Just boot it and chase it" is not focusing on learning to play football

what are everyone else thoughts and views they have seen this year?

[sapdad]

Getting back to the focus of Kids and development.

Seeing a number of games over the past few weeks in various age groups wanted to highlight a few things and see other peoples thoughts.

1) negativity - So many times i have seen negativity from parents and more importantly coaches. Things as simple as body language from coach or coaches can have a real impact on players. We need to remember we are building kids up to be not only quality little footballers but also growing and molding them as humans. Give kids negative feedback all the time is never a good thing. Too often you hear or see coaches telling kids that was "crap", saying they are disappointed in them or even throwing there hands up when things don't go there way/ slouched over and uninterested in there chairs when the game isn't going as expected. Kids look and see this they need to look and see positivity and feel encouraged to continue

2) Coaching techniques, i have seen coaches cheering and celebrating other teams/kids mistakes that is quite disappointing. Also yelling things like "whack them" & "Just boot it and chase it" is not focusing on learning to play football

what are everyone else thoughts and views they have seen this year?

My son has had both quiet and loud coaches.Ive never once thought any of them were out of line in the way they taught my son including the times when hes been dragged and spoken to quite sternly on the sidelines during games.He enjoys the dedication of his coaches and understands the overall point of coaches sometimes being loud.Ive certianly seen loud coaches who i dont think contribute much to the development of kids but luckily theyve been on the other bench.Crowds are getting worse I saw a crowd go really over the top after their team either won or drew level in the final minutes of a game through an own goal from the other team.The kids and coaches certainly didnt celebrate so the parents could have learnt something but obviously the result really mattered to them.

[Cunning stunts]

My son has had both quiet and loud coaches.Ive never once thought any of them were out of line in the way they taught my son including the times when hes been dragged and spoken to quite sternly on the sidelines during games.He enjoys the dedication of his coaches and understands the overall point of coaches sometimes being loud.Ive certianly seen loud coaches who i dont think contribute much to the development of kids but luckily theyve been on the other bench.Crowds are getting worse I saw a crowd go really over the top after their team either won or drew level in the final minutes of a game through an own goal from the other team.The kids and coaches certainly didnt celebrate so the parents could have learnt something but obviously the result really mattered to them.

Not commenting on load or quietness of coaching as i agree both are very effective in there own right. As long as the message is clear and positive i believe will benefit the kids. (remembering they are only 9-12 years still)

More commenting on the load negativity comments to kids and in particular playing style of "Boot it Chase it"

Only time to get upset to kids and even this needs to be in the right manner is in regards to behavior, energy or bulling. If it is with how the play or the skill of making mistakes its not warranted specially if the kids are trying

[sapdad]

2. A defender within the U/12 team continues to target players in back play. In yesterdays game he karate kicked a NO player off the ball and subsequently scythed the same player down in the following play with the ball well and truly gone. What are Jaffas senior coaching figures doing about such behaviour. Will it take a serious injury to deal with and correct the beahviour?

If its the kid Im thinking of Ive certianly never seen anything cheap from him.Hes definitely a big strong lad who loves a slide tackle but I think thats how hes been taught and no one ever pulls him up on it.Its a shame as he will go to NPL next year get proper refs who will card him straight away and he'll have to relearn some stuff.His coaches arent helping by not teaching him the right way to tackle.As for the cheap shit and mouthing off some of these kids from lots of clubs will learn harsh lessons next year when refs wont cop a second of it and start punishing them.All part of life they will either evolve and shut their mouths or suffer the consequences as Im pretty sure refs are still undefeated in that contest.

[sapdad]

Only time to get upset to kids and even this needs to be in the right manner is in regards to behavior, energy or bulling. If it is with how the play or the skill of making mistakes its not warranted specially if the kids are trying

Absolutely agree.As for the negativity and 'boot it' type stuff theres really only 2 coaches in my sons age that do it and its always been the way from them.Parents know full well what they are like before their kids join up in those teams so they shouldnt be shocked.There absolutely might be more but ive not seen them.Weve all spoken about it before but it would be great if Club TDs or NNSW coaches at the facility see that kind of stuff that they'll pull the coach aside and have a word.Most coaches hearts are in the right place but some need a bit more supervision from above.

[Arsenal222]

If its the kid Im thinking of Ive certianly never seen anything cheap from him.Hes definitely a big strong lad who loves a slide tackle but I think thats how hes been taught and no one ever pulls him up on it.Its a shame as he will go to NPL next year get proper refs who will card him straight away and he'll have to relearn some stuff.His coaches arent helping by not teaching him the right way to tackle.As for the cheap shit and mouthing off some of these kids from lots of clubs will learn harsh lessons next year when refs wont cop a second of it and start punishing them.All part of life they will either evolve and shut their mouths or suffer the consequences as Im pretty sure refs are still undefeated in that contest.

I’m pretty sure it might be a different kid in the other team. If I’m right the boy you’re referring to will enjoy the transition to NPL

[sapdad]

I’m pretty sure it might be a different kid in the other team. If I’m right the boy you’re referring to will enjoy the transition to NPL

oh ok.glad its someone different.Hes a good player i just worry about his timing sometimes,when he gets them right they look good.Agreed he'll be a good NPL player.

[samcan]

I believe there is a broader cultural issue at the Jaffas.

I became aware of 2 recent examples that point to the issue.

1. A team manager for the U/12 team sent a message ahead of the Newcastle Olympic game denigrating less fortunate members of society (housing commission) who reside close to Darling St oval. The manger has not been reprimanded by the club.

2. A defender within the U/12 team continues to target players in back play. In yesterdays game he karate kicked a NO player off the ball and subsequently scythed the same player down in the following play with the ball well and truly gone. What are Jaffas senior coaching figures doing about such behaviour. Will it take a serious injury to deal with and correct the beahviour?

Amazing how one club has all the problems.

There are players at every club who will at times rely on grubby tactics upset the opposition. I can name a dozen from different clubs and ages.

Are you blaming all coaches at a club? that would be more lies. Someone is salty

[samcan]

Like you would expect in the 12s, when you lose quality like the 12s you can’t expect to compete can you ? The Goalkeeper (who played in both games) was the only reason score lines didn’t blowout. Olympic were a class above, well coached, well drilled and well mannered.

lol. forgot the halo pic. That scrap like the rest champ.

[NewyGem]

Amazing how one club has all the problems.

There are players at every club who will at times rely on grubby tactics upset the opposition. I can name a dozen from different clubs and ages.

Are you blaming all coaches at a club? that would be more lies. Someone is salty

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept.

On further investigation the player involved is related to the coach. This certainly highlights the reason for inaction. Over to RH and GG.

[Arsenal222]

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept.

On further investigation the player involved is related to the coach. This certainly highlights the reason for inaction. Over to RH and GG.

You’re correct related. Expecting any action, you’ve got better odds of winning lotto repeat offender

[Jim]

Hilarious. We have some offended Woke babies almost crying over a tackle and then want a public hanging.

The Kleenex millennial morons have invaded the forum.

[Take it easy]

Hilarious. We have some offended Woke babies almost crying over a tackle and then want a public hanging.

The Kleenex millennial morons have invaded the forum.

Oh Jim you’ve done it again, you really do put the full meaning of the word stupid into action.

I just hope when you’re allowed out, you wear your helmet any further damage could be really serious.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Not really sure it’s the place to be commenting on and singling out a 12 year olds playing style.
Sure make a comment. But when it continues to singling him out, commenting on relation to the coach. Cmon. He’s 12 years old and you’re on the internet berrating his tackling style and hoping he learns a harsh lesson in NPL.

Discuss the development. Discuss the positives. On the whole there’s some good discussion around the program and aspects of it.
Then there’s the other trash rumours or fact (idk). Find out other clubs approach to things. Discuss your feelings around the program and what your clubs approach seems to be to issues like 1 v 2 teams.

Just because you are protected by a username, doesn’t give you the write to post shit. If you wouldn’t post your comments with your name on Facebook, don’t post it here.

[sapdad]

Not really sure it’s the place to be commenting on and singling out a 12 year olds playing style.
Sure make a comment. But when it continues to singling him out, commenting on relation to the coach. Cmon. He’s 12 years old and you’re on the internet berrating his tackling style and hoping he learns a harsh lesson in NPL.

Discuss the development. Discuss the positives. On the whole there’s some good discussion around the program and aspects of it.
Then there’s the other trash rumours or fact (idk). Find out other clubs approach to things. Discuss your feelings around the program and what your clubs approach seems to be to issues like 1 v 2 teams.

Just because you are protected by a username, doesn’t give you the write to post shit. If you wouldn’t post your comments with your name on Facebook, don’t post it here.

Ok so i assume so of this was directed at me.Just to clarify,i was talking about a kid who I rate but worry about some technique issues (part of his development).The harsh lesson i talked about was getting to grade and refs pulling him up on things hed been doing for 4 years. The harsh lesson will be cards and possible suspensions for things no one had an issue with for 4 years.I put that back on coaches who should be helping avoid that.I agree with your overall point about singling out kids regarding cheap shots its far from an issue in the program so anything isolated should be dealt with at club level not here.So the smaller issue is the player which yes i could have not used as an example, but the bigger discussion point was coaches letting things creep into the games in the name of winning at the expense of doing the best thing for the kids development.

[Arsenal222]

Ok so i assume so of this was directed at me.Just to clarify,i was talking about a kid who I rate but worry about some technique issues (part of his development).The harsh lesson i talked about was getting to grade and refs pulling him up on things hed been doing for 4 years. The harsh lesson will be cards and possible suspensions for things no one had an issue with for 4 years.I put that back on coaches who should be helping avoid that.I agree with your overall point about singling out kids regarding cheap shots its far from an issue in the program so anything isolated should be dealt with at club level not here.So the smaller issue is the player which yes i could have not used as an example, but the bigger discussion point was coaches letting things creep into the games in the name of winning at the expense of doing the best thing for the kids development.

Exactly the original post this discussion started from was singling out the jaffas club and broader issues not a player. It was just a point of reference as it wasn’t a bad tackle that was singled out it was his behaviour overall that would have lead to the post and it’s a repeated pattern which the club and coaches need to work with.

The aim I would hope is to regardless of opponent to play good football, develop skills and develop more importantly these kids as people. This is where the Jaffas are letting down this age group and have done for years

[Aegon]

Exactly the original post this discussion started from was singling out the jaffas club and broader issues not a player. It was just a point of reference as it wasn’t a bad tackle that was singled out it was his behaviour overall that would have lead to the post and it’s a repeated pattern which the club and coaches need to work with.

The aim I would hope is to regardless of opponent to play good football, develop skills and develop more importantly these kids as people. This is where the Jaffas are letting down this age group and have done for years

:deadhorse:

[Arsenal222]

:deadhorse:

Have to agree with you sadly, it is flogging a dead horse at the jaffas.

From what I see some of the younger age groups are not in the same boat, but that is largely driven by the coaching group 👏👏. What is needed is a club driven program because once good coaches leave the system the problems are back again.

[samcan]

Have to agree with you sadly, it is flogging a dead horse at the jaffas.

From what I see some of the younger age groups are not in the same boat, but that is largely driven by the coaching group ����. What is needed is a club driven program because once good coaches leave the system the problems are back again.

Listen to this cryhard. Douche of the highest order

[Bremsstrahlung]

Sapdad, not really directed at anybody in particular, don’t even read the names when I read the discussion sometimes. Just follow the chain of conversation.
The fact you’ve gone on to respond eloquently probably proves you’re not part of the problem here haha.

Just feel like conversation here goes from productive and enlightening to downright ridiculous and childish.
For the most part it’s just dickwaving which, if that’s what people wanna do here, go for it, but some people seem to be trying to have intelligent discussions.
Reading through the pages, it stood out that most could probably determine the players age, club, coach and deduce who is being spoken about, and I don’t think that’s really appropriate. I acknowledge the initial post was pretty harmless and anonymous about the boy, but as it continues it reveals more information and narrows the field.
Anyway, again, wasn’t personally directed at you, or anybody in particular, just don’t agree with the trajectory that went down/or could potentially go down.

[Arsenal222]

Listen to this cryhard. Douche of the highest order

Spoken like a true Jaffa, we don’t need to look very far ... such a shame

[samcan]

Spoken like a true Jaffa, we don’t need to look very far ... such a shame

omg what a moron. Not with Jaffas. This immature grub has no idea.

Sounds like youve been rejected and just hate the one club. bahahaha.

[traffic light]

omg what a moron. Not with Jaffas. This immature grub has no idea.

Sounds like youve been rejected and just hate the one club. bahahaha.

You may have it but lets drop this crap. Its not even worthy.

Second round draws coming up soon wonder what will be dealt out. Another fast 5s?

[Arsenal222]

omg what a moron. Not with Jaffas. This immature grub has no idea.

Sounds like youve been rejected and just hate the one club. bahahaha.

This is your comment and you claim others are immature?

And just so you can sleep easier, never been rejected nor hate the club. Would love to see it stand up.

[Aegon]

You may have it but lets drop this crap. Its not even worthy.

Second round draws coming up soon wonder what will be dealt out. Another fast 5s?

The inclusion of a regional gala day for each team (assuming per club) would mean 8-9 rounds in phase 3 + however many games on the gala day.

Anything else outside of that will be a big surprise.

[ExWhistleMan]

This thread is a great example of everything that is wrong with football. It has over twice the amount of posts than the next most active, with the most just been parents of children under 12 years old bickering amongst themselves...... What hope do the kids have if this is the football environment they are developing in. As someone that has had zero involvement in SAP/JDL or any of its other iterations, I truly hope this thread is not representative of its culture as a whole.

[sapdad]

The inclusion of a regional gala day for each team (assuming per club) would mean 8-9 rounds in phase 3 + however many games on the gala day.

Anything else outside of that will be a big surprise.
We've been told there are 3 gala days that clubs must attend at least 1.Other than that we have had no further detail.
One other thing thats not been discussed is the inclusion of new clubs this year like Central Coast and MNC.Speaking to coaches and players from both these clubs they are really impressed and happy their kids get this level of interaction.I think theyve held their own and ive seen a few players in the 12's that are as good as anyone in the program.With a few more years involvement i cant see them being anything other than some of the strongest teams in the program and thats great for these smaller regions.

[BS detecor]

This thread is a great example of everything that is wrong with football. It has over twice the amount of posts than the next most active, with the most just been parents of children under 12 years old bickering amongst themselves...... What hope do the kids have if this is the football environment they are developing in. As someone that has had zero involvement in SAP/JDL or any of its other iterations, I truly hope this thread is not representative of its culture as a whole.

Of course it has more posts, this is the only thread where the best will end up in Manchester and the not so good will have to go to Arsenal

[Take it easy]

Of course it has more posts, this is the only thread where the best will end up in Manchester and the not so good will have to go to Arsenal

Little Johnny is only playing for Barcelona, Real Madrid or Manchester City. Not sure where you got your information from but it’s wrong 😇😝😝

[The Magician]

Little Johnny is only playing for Barcelona, Real Madrid or Manchester City. Not sure where you got your information from but it’s wrong ������

You're kids will be lucky to make it to NPL 14's unless you are the ones doing the coaching.

[Take it easy]

You're kids will be lucky to make it to NPL 14's unless you are the ones doing the coaching.

I don’t coach and they’re already there 😂😂.

[Goatscheese]

Divided between the JWF clique and the non JWF families.

Probably didn't help that the TD has banned Lambton players from attending JWF sessions

[traffic light]

You're kids will be lucky to make it to NPL 14's unless you are the ones doing the coaching.

Do parents as coaches still get their kid into these squads? or they are good enough anyway?

Also i will challenge that IF, a lad is still only playing npl by 14s or 15s then sadly they arent going anywhere.

[traffic light]

Another question as my only connection with youth here is a relo in Jets youth.

We know that TDs heavily influence local rep sides now and reputations can be made and lost by this. Are they chosen on reality or do favourites sometimes get the nod. ive noticed some pretty handy players getting overlooked. Do we even care about TSP anymore?

[Goatscheese]

Another question as my only connection with youth here is a relo in Jets youth.

We know that TDs heavily influence local rep sides now and reputations can be made and lost by this. Are they chosen on reality or do favourites sometimes get the nod. ive noticed some pretty handy players getting overlooked. Do we even care about TSP anymore?

If you want to be considered to be selected for Jets you would care, if not then it doesn't matter

[Arsenal222]

Probably didn't help that the TD has banned Lambton players from attending JWF sessions

Not True, it’s not encouraged but definitely not banned

[Goatscheese]

Not True, it’s not encouraged but definitely not banned

That might need to be made clear, parents and players believe they aren't allowed/not in their best interests to be attending JWF if they are at Lambton

[Arsenal222]

That might need to be made clear, parents and players believe they aren't allowed/not in their best interests to be attending JWF if they are at Lambton

100% agree but they won’t, they will eventually force out anyone at the club that does I would say. They can’t and won’t ban it to use those words they will strongly discourage it. There are still players in the 12s going.

As soon as RH became involved with the jaffas the JWF program was highly discouraged and people poorly treated because of their association ( referred to as the JWF clique) absolute crap but that’s another story.

JWF has had a significant impact on newcastle football for the better, you only have to look at the current TSP 12s list NNSW published and off the top of my head I can see at least 10+ plus names who have been apart of the JWF program. If you’re not fortunate enough to be in the TSP program then JWF is the place to be if you want additional training.

[BS detecor]

Jobe has an impressive list of players who have gone on to gain selection in the Jets youth teams after working with him. Well over 50. I wouldn’t be sitting around being told what to do if that’s the path your kid wants to take, I would give them every opportunity available.

[KITZ]

Do parents as coaches still get their kid into these squads? or they are good enough anyway?

Also i will challenge that IF, a lad is still only playing npl by 14s or 15s then sadly they arent going anywhere.

That’s not remotely true.

[finzee]

100% agree but they won’t, they will eventually force out anyone at the club that does I would say. They can’t and won’t ban it to use those words they will strongly discourage it. There are still players in the 12s going.

As soon as RH became involved with the jaffas the JWF program was highly discouraged and people poorly treated because of their association ( referred to as the JWF clique) absolute crap but that’s another story.

JWF has had a significant impact on newcastle football for the better, you only have to look at the current TSP 12s list NNSW published and off the top of my head I can see at least 10+ plus names who have been apart of the JWF program. If you’re not fortunate enough to be in the TSP program then JWF is the place to be if you want additional training.

Pretty sad as RH only develops his favourite few so the others must pay up elsewhere to get further development.

[Arsenal222]

Pretty sad as RH only develops his favourite few so the others must pay up elsewhere to get further development.

To true has been their undoing in the 12s.

[Isthisforreal]

What’s people hearing around the clubs with respect to U13s 2022? I’m hearing some clubs are a closed shop even though their results so far this year are below average , and others are already penciling in names and looking for gaps ?

[sapdad]

Not True, it’s not encouraged but definitely not banned

Either way if any of this is even remotely true its a problem.Not encouraging kids to go and improve their game is the most backwards shit Ive heard.If this is the attitude of some coaches/tds etc then they need to be removed from the sport because they arent acting in the best interests of the kids.

[sapdad]

What’s people hearing around the clubs with respect to U13s 2022? I’m hearing some clubs are a closed shop even though their results so far this year are below average , and others are already penciling in names and looking for gaps ?

Of course clubs are thinking about it.Some clubs already have 12's JDL kids training with 13's in order to blend them in to the different format.With TSP lists coming out some clubs now realise they may be losing some quality players and may need to start looking to fill gaps.Ive not seen anything untoward from coaches etc so far but no club is waiting until the trial period to sort their squad out thats for sure.One thing to remember is that with most clubs having 2 squads there are coaches who want to keep going and may move to other opportunities too and they will no doubt take players with them.