2021 Premier Club SAP

[Yaa Yaa]

7 kids have chosen to leave Magic from this years 11's group.

Of those 7 in 2022:
2 are going to Olympic 12's
1 is going to Jaffa's 12's
1 is going to Olympic 11's
1 is "probably" going to Olympic 12's
2 unknown.

Olympic in 2022
1 minimum will play 13's NPL (elsewhere)
1 going to another JDL 12's team
1 player staying in 11's
1-2 players released

For perspective
Jaffa's
1 was released
1 was offered to stay another year in 11's but has left to join Magic 12's in 2022
1 chose to leave
1 will play 13's NPL (elsewhere)

Edgeworth
6 have been asked to retrial


Players being released, leaving of their own accord, asked to retrial, quitting football, etc will happen at every club, every year.

The only thing that concerns me in any way is clubs or players confirming retention and undertaking a late u-turn. If this happens it makes it difficult to find a new club/player and results in bad feelings for everyone involved.

Oh look out I think someone’s cage has been rattled. Is this some kind of flex now?

It’s concerning that I answered your false claims in regards to the coaches and TDs and your reply was what every kid over there is up to. Why anyone would want to know so much about what is going on at every club in under 11s is kind creepy if you ask me. If this was for NPL or EPL ok but under 11s? Take a look in the mirror.

But thanks for the SAP update Karen.

[Yaa Yaa]

I seem to like YAA YAA (hank) better at the moment , he seems to know something interesting so please kiss and tell .

Haha thanks Cobra Kia, I just don’t like when people post rumours and lies. And old mate Karen here is starting to get annoying, no one gives a shit about what every individual is doing in under10s or 11s, concentrate on your own club/team and don’t worry what’s happening at another club. He sounds so obsessed with what Magic are up to.

[Isthisforreal]

Oh look out I think someone’s cage has been rattled. Is this some kind of flex now?

It’s concerning that I answered your false claims in regards to the coaches and TDs and your reply was what every kid over there is up to. Why anyone would want to know so much about what is going on at every club in under 11s is kind creepy if you ask me. If this was for NPL or EPL ok but under 11s? Take a look in the mirror.

But thanks for the SAP update Karen.


I think you’re being unkind to Aegon aka Karen, he has feelings and still trying to flex🤣. Maybe post on the JDL FB page too some
Creepy over the top shit there…

Hate to imagine these people come NPL time 🤦

[Unhappygreek]

From what I’m told the TD got sacked/asked to leave so was never staying.

[Goatscheese]

Heard about this page and thought I’d expose that fraud of a club that is Olympic. Cut my son and his mates to make way for a large group of magic kids just to keep their new TD happy that I heard was sacked from magic and ex magic coach also sacked. What happened to developing kids in this space? Seems like Olympic are more worried about winning in this space rather then developing kids. What a joke!

That's all Olympic seem to care about is winning not about development.

At least you know there are a whole lot of spots open at Magic now

[Goatscheese]

Thanks for your support 🙏 my son is pretty upset we have started looking around but it’s tough with covid not being able to trial ,the worst thing is we were all told by the club weeks ago that all players were being kept for next season.

That's pretty shit, I'd be contacting Magic TD and DoF and speaking to them


Rumour has it the TD and this new coach are result driven !
Does anyone know why they were sacked from their last club ?

Apparently one of the Magic JDL coaches didn't like him so he worked with the committee to have him removed

[Goatscheese]

My sons mate didnt make his clubs 13 NPL squad for next year,so has been filling in expressions of interest.He asked his club about trilaing with other clubs for next year and his current club has prevented him from doing so because they may have a spot come up if other kids dont take up the offer.

Training during season or going to trails? There is a difference and if the latter it is disappointing for a club to say that, I'd just go, they have already told him they don't want him

[Goatscheese]

Never said what he did was right but apparently if anyone is to talk positively about him is instantly his mate and not because the things said are true.

I'm wondering why someone would voluntary leave half way through the season. The coach I am guessing is still there till the end of the season and is happy to move with the JDL TD (are we allowed to use names here?) but the TD leaving half way through the season on his own choice? Earlier in this thread it was said that one of the JDL coaches worked with his committee mates to get him kicked out

[BS detecor]

7 kids have chosen to leave Magic from this years 11's group.

Of those 7 in 2022:
2 are going to Olympic 12's
1 is going to Jaffa's 12's
1 is going to Olympic 11's
1 is "probably" going to Olympic 12's
2 unknown.

Olympic in 2022
1 minimum will play 13's NPL (elsewhere)
1 going to another JDL 12's team
1 player staying in 11's
1-2 players released

For perspective
Jaffa's
1 was released
1 was offered to stay another year in 11's but has left to join Magic 12's in 2022
1 chose to leave
1 will play 13's NPL (elsewhere)

Edgeworth
6 have been asked to retrial


Players being released, leaving of their own accord, asked to retrial, quitting football, etc will happen at every club, every year.

The only thing that concerns me in any way is clubs or players confirming retention and undertaking a late u-turn. If this happens it makes it difficult to find a new club/player and results in bad feelings for everyone involved.

I read that in Gladys’ voice

[Oldy]

I'm wondering why someone would voluntary leave half way through the season. The coach I am guessing is still there till the end of the season and is happy to move with the JDL TD (are we allowed to use names here?) but the TD leaving half way through the season on his own choice? Earlier in this thread it was said that one of the JDL coaches worked with his committee mates to get him kicked out

The irony is, from my experience, is that the coach that is staying not a coach id want a kid with as he has a vile culture in that team. Some outright grubs.

The coach who is leaving seemed ok and his teamed play a decent brand of football. Not saying that all teams are play fair nice boys but this is an exception. Now that is from watching all SAP teams kids play over several years. I do not know any coach personally.

[Ghost of Plague]

I read that in Gladys’ voice

Anyone not appreciating this post is a cop.


Well in sir.

[Doopche]

The irony is, from my experience, is that the coach that is staying not a coach id want a kid with as he has a vile culture in that team. Some outright grubs.

The coach who is leaving seemed ok and his teamed play a decent brand of football. Not saying that all teams are play fair nice boys but this is an exception. Now that is from watching all SAP teams kids play over several years. I do not know any coach personally.

Did you really just call 11 year old kids grubs? You need your head stomped. Anyone attacking kids on this post behind a fake name must be a real hero. Someone needs to report you to DOCS you crackhead.

[SAP SUPER COACH]

Oldy sounds like a loser ! His kid must of followed the grubby coach and TD to olympic !

[YewYew]

I seem to like YAA YAA (hank) better at the moment , he seems to know something interesting so please kiss and tell .

Yaa Yaa is the coach every1 knows that. So He knows his shit. I just wanna stirr it😜

so you better be nice to Yaa Yaa or he gonna send your kid to hamilton😂

[KITZ]

Regardless, my opinion this shit should not be happening in a SAP space they are kids for **** sake , the poor buggers are getting dragged from pillar to post because the parents make the rules in this program . it should be about fun and development for that club and now half those kids will have to find new friends etc. as a 11 year old that's daunting especially when they have probably been at the club since 5 year old.

anyway back to the senior threads for me

I was going to make a long-winded reply. but honestly SAP is a competitive program. It always has been. Its not about making friends. Its about football.

Anyone who's got their knickers in a knot needs to realise that and just get on with it. It doesn't get better than SAP - enjoy it while you have kids that are in that age group.

If you are having sleepless nights because your kids have to trial at another club now, you will never sleep again if they play through to NPL Youth.

And if you have more than one playing - double the fun.

Just because you have been TOLD you have been retained it doesn't mean anything unless you have the paper with it written on. Lots of people talk during the season and towards the end - But talk is all it is if you don't see it on a piece of paper with the club logo, don't ever take it as gospel. You have to do the best thing for your kids and if that means registering them other places to trial until your current club makes them an offer in writing - then that's what you do - If they want to keep you bad enough they will put the offer in writing at the very least.


How toxic has this thread become though? - lots of bored people with no football on by the looks of it.

[sapdad]

You have to do the best thing for your kids and if that means registering them other places to trial until your current club makes them an offer in writing - then that's what you do

I agree with most of your points but here is where there is an issue i was discussing earlier.My mates kid isnt allowed to trial/meet with other clubs even though he hasnt been given a spot.They are still considering picking him (unless they find someone better) and seem to be hinting that if he does meet/trial with anyone else then hes no chance to stay.I dont think this is a particularly good way to behave towards kids of that age.We can disagree on that but i take the side of doing thats best for the kids,not the scoreline.Also,for those of us in the first meetings in the first year,SAP was never designed to be a competitive league.It was designed all around the training and skills,the games were something to do on the weekend to implement those skills.It was always supposed to be an alternative to just going out and winning every game on the weekend by any means necessary.I totally agree now that is pretty much just NPL 9-12.and if everyone is happy to keep it that way then so be it.But this wasnt the original plan.Also agree on the toxic nature creeping in again.Larger issues are fine to discuss but the individual name calling and club shaming (the majority of it by heresay) is out of line.

[Aegon]

I agree with most of your points but here is where there is an issue i was discussing earlier.My mates kid isnt allowed to trial/meet with other clubs even though he hasnt been given a spot.They are still considering picking him (unless they find someone better) and seem to be hinting that if he does meet/trial with anyone else then hes no chance to stay.I dont think this is a particularly good way to behave towards kids of that age.We can disagree on that but i take the side of doing thats best for the kids,not the scoreline.Also,for those of us in the first meetings in the first year,SAP was never designed to be a competitive league.It was designed all around the training and skills,the games were something to do on the weekend to implement those skills.It was always supposed to be an alternative to just going out and winning every game on the weekend by any means necessary.I totally agree now that is pretty much just NPL 9-12.and if everyone is happy to keep it that way then so be it.But this wasnt the original plan.Also agree on the toxic nature creeping in again.Larger issues are fine to discuss but the individual name calling and club shaming (the majority of it by heresay) is out of line.

It sounds like a very sticky situation.

I personally think the club is out of line. If they haven't offered the lad a spot then they have no right to hedge their bets and hold this over his head

There is a very real risk that they don't offer him a spot and he hasn't EOI'd or trialed anywhere. How does he then find a spot in another club?

He has to look after himself first and put himself out there.

[Hunter403]

My mates kid isnt allowed to trial/meet with other clubs even though he hasnt been given a spot.They are still considering picking him (unless they find someone better) and seem to be hinting that if he does meet/trial with anyone else then hes no chance to stay.I dont think this is a particularly good way to behave towards kids of that age.

Unfortunately that is what the "power" brokers at some clubs do. Make threats to a kid. Unless your kid has a written contract with a club they have absolutely no hold over you. What if your mate's son was trialling with the Jets or Mariners? Is that a reason to dump him? Some local SAP clown wants to hold him back? Insane. The club will dump on a kid as soon as a more desired prospect appears. That's it. Kids/families have the same option. If a kid is good enough but trials elsewhere and misses out, I don't think the current club will be rid of him unless there is a better option presenting himself as a replacement. Self interest will always rule as we strive to be the top of the local dung heap.

Any club that says to a kid "if you trial elsewhere then there is no longer spot for you here" is a disgrace. Instead of threatening a kid, they should be asking themselves "why is he looking elsewhere?" The kid/family is delivering a message to you. Wake up and read it.

[Goatscheese]

I’m guessing Olympic officials started getting worried that the club had been caught out breaching lockdown rules by playing a player with a false exemption letter. This club is an absolute joke. Need to be punished for it and the team associated to it. It’s a form of cheating.

You're an idiot and clearly don't know why it was locked

[Goatscheese]

Unfortunately that is what the "power" brokers at some clubs do. Make threats to a kid. Unless your kid has a written contract with a club they have absolutely no hold over you. What if your mate's son was trialling with the Jets or Mariners? Is that a reason to dump him? Some local SAP clown wants to hold him back? Insane. The club will dump on a kid as soon as a more desired prospect appears. That's it. Kids/families have the same option. If a kid is good enough but trials elsewhere and misses out, I don't think the current club will be rid of him unless there is a better option presenting himself as a replacement. Self interest will always rule as we strive to be the top of the local dung heap.

Any club that says to a kid "if you trial elsewhere then there is no longer spot for you here" is a disgrace. Instead of threatening a kid, they should be asking themselves "why is he looking elsewhere?" The kid/family is delivering a message to you. Wake up and read it.

Exactly and if he is good enough, why haven't you offered him a spot already? A club who tells a player they will need to retrial should absolutely be knowing and even telling the player and parents that they should be looking for a Plan B and Plan C just in case they don't get Plan A

[Retired01]

Unfortunately that is what the "power" brokers at some clubs do. Make threats to a kid. Unless your kid has a written contract with a club they have absolutely no hold over you. What if your mate's son was trialling with the Jets or Mariners? Is that a reason to dump him? Some local SAP clown wants to hold him back? Insane. The club will dump on a kid as soon as a more desired prospect appears. That's it. Kids/families have the same option. If a kid is good enough but trials elsewhere and misses out, I don't think the current club will be rid of him unless there is a better option presenting himself as a replacement. Self interest will always rule as we strive to be the top of the local dung heap.

Any club that says to a kid "if you trial elsewhere then there is no longer spot for you here" is a disgrace. Instead of threatening a kid, they should be asking themselves "why is he looking elsewhere?" The kid/family is delivering a message to you. Wake up and read it.


There is so much BS on here when it comes to little Johnny missing out then mums and dads on here saying unfair. But in saying that if the examples above are true thats disgraceful and should be disciplined by NNSW...:rof:. If you dont want you kid put in a competitive environment go play community football. The fact is that the stronger clubs are stronger for a vey good reason and select or drop kids for very good reasons so get over it.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Baffles me.

Everyone here has obvious heard a rumour or 5 about every club, (the ones you start don't count) and they class them as accurate or inaccurate depending upon your source.
Now, surely word gets around.
People involved with club X have obviously heard that they can be brutal with retention, dropping players, hedging their bets or whatever. Yet cry when they are on the receiving end. You knew what you were getting yourself into.

Kids 'allegedly' being blackmailed to stay at a club and not trial elsewhere. Why do you want to stay at such a club? Is that the environment you want your child to be playing in?

There will always be a merry go round between certain clubs. When i say "certain clubs", you all think of 3-4 clubs (May not be the same clubs), so why aren't you avoiding those clubs?
I just don't understand people.

Sure, maybe they have a good development, good coaches etc, but they also are success and results based and as a result, volatile. You weigh up the risks when you sign on at such clubs, and you're kidding yourself if you don't.


This program 12 months ago had people on here telling me it was a development program (which i believed), not an elite program. Based on the last few pages here, it is an elite program, and all this drama is part of 'elite clubs'.

[sapdad]

Baffles me.

Everyone here has obvious heard a rumour or 5 about every club, (the ones you start don't count) and they class them as accurate or inaccurate depending upon your source.
Now, surely word gets around.
People involved with club X have obviously heard that they can be brutal with retention, dropping players, hedging their bets or whatever. Yet cry when they are on the receiving end. You knew what you were getting yourself into.

Kids 'allegedly' being blackmailed to stay at a club and not trial elsewhere. Why do you want to stay at such a club? Is that the environment you want your child to be playing in?

There will always be a merry go round between certain clubs. When i say "certain clubs", you all think of 3-4 clubs (May not be the same clubs), so why aren't you avoiding those clubs?
I just don't understand people.

Sure, maybe they have a good development, good coaches etc, but they also are success and results based and as a result, volatile. You weigh up the risks when you sign on at such clubs, and you're kidding yourself if you don't.


This program 12 months ago had people on here telling me it was a development program (which i believed), not an elite program. Based on the last few pages here, it is an elite program, and all this drama is part of 'elite clubs'.

This is a thread for the clubs involved in SAP/JDL so obviously the likes of Beresfield/Garden Suburbs or Hamilton Azzurri wont be discussed here but I can guarantee you there would be parents and kids out there that have had bad experiences at those clubs too.I might be reading it wrong but the overwhelming majority of people on here have had positive experiences in the program.Personally it seems that the most negative comments come from people who have nothing to do with the program and just enjoy throwing shit at people/clubs and coaches.I hate the name calling and club shaming as think its not representative of the program as a whole.I hate the idea of people both inside and outside the program thinking it is 'elite'.Its not, it was designed to be a different approach.As said before i agree it is quickly turning into NPL 9-12 and hate that aspect of it.But its also only in its 4th year so things are being learned as they go.You also have to remember that this program was implemented because it was deemed that the old system was even worse.If you want my personal opinion there have been too many people from the old system worm their way into JDL now and its not been for the better.NNSW has to cop a lot of that blame as their initial claim of being the overseer of it all has not played out that way.Anyway my kid is done and onto 13's next year so im hopeful the parents getting involved have as good an experience as mine.It isnt perfect,as everyone keeps pointing out,but I thought it was worth it.

[Aegon]

Anyway my kid is done and onto 13's next year so im hopeful the parents getting involved have as good an experience as mine.It isnt perfect,as everyone keeps pointing out,but I thought it was worth it.

Great point. Glad your child enjoyed themselves. I hope they enjoy the next phase just as much.

[Aegon]

Very interesting that todays memo from NNSWF has the JDL season continuing post lockdown.

Memo Link (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MTgpdJIyVgqgBwLhGutGZq3ZpLsa8TjP/view?usp=sharing)

Rounds 19-22 planned to be played from Sept 18/19 through to Oct 9/10.

There might be some awkward conversations & training sessions considering how many clubs have already released players or had players choose to leave.

[Bremsstrahlung]

This is a thread for the clubs involved in SAP/JDL so obviously the likes of Beresfield/Garden Suburbs or Hamilton Azzurri wont be discussed here but I can guarantee you there would be parents and kids out there that have had bad experiences at those clubs too.I might be reading it wrong but the overwhelming majority of people on here have had positive experiences in the program.Personally it seems that the most negative comments come from people who have nothing to do with the program and just enjoy throwing shit at people/clubs and coaches.I hate the name calling and club shaming as think its not representative of the program as a whole.I hate the idea of people both inside and outside the program thinking it is 'elite'.Its not, it was designed to be a different approach.As said before i agree it is quickly turning into NPL 9-12 and hate that aspect of it.But its also only in its 4th year so things are being learned as they go.You also have to remember that this program was implemented because it was deemed that the old system was even worse.If you want my personal opinion there have been too many people from the old system worm their way into JDL now and its not been for the better.NNSW has to cop a lot of that blame as their initial claim of being the overseer of it all has not played out that way.Anyway my kid is done and onto 13's next year so im hopeful the parents getting involved have as good an experience as mine.It isnt perfect,as everyone keeps pointing out,but I thought it was worth it.

My comment isn't directed at the positive experiences.
My comment is directed at people whinging here, who know enough about the local football scene to know the "power clubs" and get their kid a spot at these clubs. You don't know who the "power clubs" are without hearing a few home truths.

If you go to a mechanic and have a dodgy experience, you warn you friends and family and anybody who brings up needing a mechanic.
If somebody who has heard that they are dodgy, goes there regardless, then the dodgy outcome isn't really a surprise is it? Maybe you'll have a good outcome.

My point is, clubs have developed reputations, it's not hard to ask and find out. If people avoided clubs with dodgy practices, maybe they will be forced to reconsider their practices.
However, people seem all too quick to forget those rumours and poor reputations surrounding retention/treatment when you get to tell anyone who will listen little Johnny is playing for locally renowned Club X.

[Unhappygreek]

Well it’s going to be very interesting as NNSW saying the last 4 games of JDL will be played. How will the grubby new TD who had no balls to call the kids himself and cut my son and others go about facing the kids and parents.Also the magic coach who plays Olympic twice how will he face the parents of kids He had a hand in cutting at olympic!

[The Hacker]

My comment isn't directed at the positive experiences.
My comment is directed at people whinging here, who know enough about the local football scene to know the "power clubs" and get their kid a spot at these clubs. You don't know who the "power clubs" are without hearing a few home truths.

If you go to a mechanic and have a dodgy experience, you warn you friends and family and anybody who brings up needing a mechanic.
If somebody who has heard that they are dodgy, goes there regardless, then the dodgy outcome isn't really a surprise is it? Maybe you'll have a good outcome.

My point is, clubs have developed reputations, it's not hard to ask and find out. If people avoided clubs with dodgy practices, maybe they will be forced to reconsider their practices.
However, people seem all too quick to forget those rumours and poor reputations surrounding retention/treatment when you get to tell anyone who will listen little Johnny is playing for locally renowned Club X.

There is a very very simple way to solve all this BS.
When clubs pick their squads in U9’s those players can be let go until the 4 yrs are up. Kids can leave during that time if they like and then the club can replace them. But a kid can’t be cut to fit in the kid from another club who is the gun. This means it falls in the lap of the TD to identify talent initially not just go to a few games and when their team gets a touched up approach the kids that do it. This will seperate the good TD from the poor ones. Also for the clubs like Lakes if they unearth a gun they have 4 years to have the kid in their club and are more chance of keeping the kids cause they feel part of the club and haven’t had Magic/Olympic etc trying to poach them as a 10 yr old. Stops the rich big clubs pillaging the other clubs and may even level out other age groups. Happy to hear people’s opinion

[djjones]

There is a very very simple way to solve all this BS.
When clubs pick their squads in U9’s those players can be let go until the 4 yrs are up. Kids can leave during that time if they like and then the club can replace them. But a kid can’t be cut to fit in the kid from another club who is the gun. This means it falls in the lap of the TD to identify talent initially not just go to a few games and when their team gets a touched up approach the kids that do it. This will seperate the good TD from the poor ones. Also for the clubs like Lakes if they unearth a gun they have 4 years to have the kid in their club and are more chance of keeping the kids cause they feel part of the club and haven’t had Magic/Olympic etc trying to poach them as a 10 yr old. Stops the rich big clubs pillaging the other clubs and may even level out other age groups. Happy to hear people’s opinion

I think the negative here is that not all the best players are found at 9. Every player that ive seen that has taken a spot were much better than the player they replaced. Sometimes a player needs a change due to many reasons. I think that a team to going to another club as a whole is a disgrace though. Also, its parents that seek to find the bigger clubs as well as the poaching that might be going on. Yes it is early for clubs to recruit like 1st grade but here we are.

[KITZ]

This is a thread for the clubs involved in SAP/JDL so obviously the likes of Beresfield/Garden Suburbs or Hamilton Azzurri wont be discussed here but I can guarantee you there would be parents and kids out there that have had bad experiences at those clubs too.I might be reading it wrong but the overwhelming majority of people on here have had positive experiences in the program.Personally it seems that the most negative comments come from people who have nothing to do with the program and just enjoy throwing shit at people/clubs and coaches.I hate the name calling and club shaming as think its not representative of the program as a whole.I hate the idea of people both inside and outside the program thinking it is 'elite'.Its not, it was designed to be a different approach.As said before i agree it is quickly turning into NPL 9-12 and hate that aspect of it.But its also only in its 4th year so things are being learned as they go.You also have to remember that this program was implemented because it was deemed that the old system was even worse.If you want my personal opinion there have been too many people from the old system worm their way into JDL now and its not been for the better.NNSW has to cop a lot of that blame as their initial claim of being the overseer of it all has not played out that way.Anyway my kid is done and onto 13's next year so im hopeful the parents getting involved have as good an experience as mine.It isnt perfect,as everyone keeps pointing out,but I thought it was worth it.

Are you serious? There was absolutely NONE of this rubbish in the old system, no club division no one rubbishing each other and in 12s they even had a ladder and it still wasn’t as competitive as this “new” system is, even state championships. The problem isn’t people from the previous system, let me tell you that now. None of what you are saying is actually remotely close to the truth. The system wasn’t changed because “the old system was worse” the system was changed purely to push more kids through - hence the level of development for a lot of kids has actually dropped. Anyone who’s had kids come through both versions will give you some hard truths about how much worse the new system is regarding the behaviours of both parents, kids and coaches.

And no. Signing kids up at 9 then telling they aren’t allowed to leave for 4 years is ridiculous as well if my kid isn’t happy and wants to move or the some kids aren’t a good fit fit a club there is absolutely no reason they should have to keep them. Parents just need to get over their own egos and realise that kids develop differently and it won’t suit everyone. Nothing in life does.

[Oldy]

Actually the old system was as bad and political including parent punch ons in juniors but what was really missing back then is the tech media where people can argue or discuss with each other 24/7 like today.

On another note I think 24 to 28 clubs per age is too many for 1 comp.

[Oldy]

My mates kid isnt allowed to trial/meet with other clubs even though he hasnt been given a spot. They are still considering picking him (unless they find someone better) and seem to be hinting that if he does meet/trial with anyone else then hes no chance to stay.
Just trial anyway. Any club holding you to ransom isnt the way to go imo.


Larger issues are fine to discuss but the individual name calling and club shaming (the majority of it by heresay) is out of line.

Agree about names but alot isnt heresay. Be careful of dismissing fact. I think its the reaction that might need to be toned down.

[Oldy]

Very interesting that todays memo from NNSWF has the JDL season continuing post lockdown.

Memo Link (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MTgpdJIyVgqgBwLhGutGZq3ZpLsa8TjP/view?usp=sharing)

Rounds 19-22 planned to be played from Sept 18/19 through to Oct 9/10.

There might be some awkward conversations & training sessions considering how many clubs have already released players or had players choose to leave.

3 weeks away. Not a lot of time

[sapdad]

Are you serious? There was absolutely NONE of this rubbish in the old system, no club division no one rubbishing each other and in 12s they even had a ladder and it still wasn’t as competitive as this “new” system is, even state championships. The problem isn’t people from the previous system, let me tell you that now. None of what you are saying is actually remotely close to the truth. The system wasn’t changed because “the old system was worse” the system was changed purely to push more kids through - hence the level of development for a lot of kids has actually dropped. Anyone who’s had kids come through both versions will give you some hard truths about how much worse the new system is regarding the behaviours of both parents, kids and coaches.


Year 1 meeting 1 (paraphrasing): We dont want clubs to develop kids from under 6's then lose them to so called elite training programs so we are introducing a new program to keep club juniors at clubs.I was there and heard it,they made no attempt to hide this point.
Fast forward a few years,certain clubs are recommending their kids only do extra training with certain elite training programs outside of JDL.None of that is in the best interests of the kids and we both agree on that.They took away competition ladders and focused on the training rather than game play and winning.Fast forward a few years and clubs have abandoned that in the pursuit if winning.I hate that, we both agree on that.Behaviour of kids/coaches and parents is worse.Well there are more of all 3 groups and I will never disagree with it.We agree on this too.But dont pretend like it was never an issue back then.Again,I think NNSW have dropped the ball here by not policing and disciplining offenders.They said they would,we agree they havent.Sheer number of kids means that more kids will be entering 13's better prepared.The first group is about to go through that.To comment on overall development is pointless because you dont actually have a sample size yet.So we are actually agreeing on more things than we disagree on.Im not here to tell you what is better,but i was there when they explained what they were doing,and ive now seen a full cycle of it unfold.Im definitely entitled to have an educated opinion on what ive seen.

[The Hacker]

Are you serious? There was absolutely NONE of this rubbish in the old system, no club division no one rubbishing each other and in 12s they even had a ladder and it still wasn’t as competitive as this “new” system is, even state championships. The problem isn’t people from the previous system, let me tell you that now. None of what you are saying is actually remotely close to the truth. The system wasn’t changed because “the old system was worse” the system was changed purely to push more kids through - hence the level of development for a lot of kids has actually dropped. Anyone who’s had kids come through both versions will give you some hard truths about how much worse the new system is regarding the behaviours of both parents, kids and coaches.

And no. Signing kids up at 9 then telling they aren’t allowed to leave for 4 years is ridiculous as well if my kid isn’t happy and wants to move or the some kids aren’t a good fit fit a club there is absolutely no reason they should have to keep them. Parents just need to get over their own egos and realise that kids develop differently and it won’t suit everyone. Nothing in life does.

I didn’t say they weren’t allowed to leave. I said the club couldn’t kick them out to replace them with a gun from another club. If you choose to leave in that 4yrs that’s ok. The club can’t ‘cut’ you

[YewYew]

Well it’s going to be very interesting as NNSW saying the last 4 games of JDL will be played. How will the grubby new TD who had no balls to call the kids himself and cut my son and others go about facing the kids and parents.Also the magic coach who plays Olympic twice how will he face the parents of kids He had a hand in cutting at olympic!

OK some real talk

Mr Know it all on here said b4 that 2 hamilton kids got cut & 1 left. I’m guess out of over 20 kids

Y your kid get cut? U upset the new coach or something? Or & im sorry to ask weren’t yr kid good enough?

2/20 ain’t a lot. Maybe it just weren’t 2b for yr boy. Lots of other clubs out there tho 🤷🏽

[Johnno]

3 weeks away. Not a lot of time

Northern getting ahead of themselves again here if it’s anything like last time when we came out of lockdown community sport did not start for 2 to 3 weeks after that period to allow the community to readjust and then when it did start training was only allowed in small groups (Max: 5 persons) and only one parent allowed to spectate can’t see why any of that will change this time around.

[BS detecor]

My lad played community football until he was 12, spent a year in NPL and then got picked up by the jets. Never got picked in a sap team

[Unhappygreek]

It’s at least 6 kids that have been told that they don’t have spots next year after being told we would all be retained.it’s hard to find spots atm with covid not being able to trial anywhere.
The thing that upsets all the parents iv spoken to is that the new TD didn’t have The balls to ring he got someone else to do it ,which shows a lot about his character 😡

[JustHearThings]

It’s at least 6 kids that have been told that they don’t have spots next year after being told we would all be retained.it’s hard to find spots atm with covid not being able to trial anywhere.
The thing that upsets all the parents iv spoken to is that the new TD didn’t have The balls to ring he got someone else to do it ,which shows a lot about his character ��

I know a parent in that age group, they said 2 were cut, 2 went elsewhere. They said that the team was already 1-2 players short this year so that's why 6? (Idk about this number if it's right) were added to the team which outweighed the number cut/leaving

[Negative Police]

I know a parent in that age group, they said 2 were cut, 2 went elsewhere. They said that the team was already 1-2 players short this year so that's why 6? (Idk about this number if it's right) were added to the team which outweighed the number cut/leaving

It's at least 6. We are all temporary

[terry]

My lad played community football until he was 12, spent a year in NPL and then got picked up by the jets. Never got picked in a sap team

And that is the way to do it.

[jim wallis]

And that is the way to do it.

Avoids shenanigans.

[Goatscheese]

And no. Signing kids up at 9 then telling they aren’t allowed to leave for 4 years is ridiculous as well if my kid isn’t happy and wants to move or the some kids aren’t a good fit fit a club there is absolutely no reason they should have to keep them. Parents just need to get over their own egos and realise that kids develop differently and it won’t suit everyone. Nothing in life does.

He said clubs weren't allowed to cut them not that players weren't allowed to leave

[Goatscheese]

Anyway my kid is done and onto 13's next year so im hopeful the parents getting involved have as good an experience as mine.

You'll have to start a new account with a new name

[cobra23]

You'll have to start a new account with a new name

:lulz::thumbsup:

[cobra23]

Well it’s going to be very interesting as NNSW saying the last 4 games of JDL will be played. How will the grubby new TD who had no balls to call the kids himself and cut my son and others go about facing the kids and parents.Also the magic coach who plays Olympic twice how will he face the parents of kids He had a hand in cutting at olympic!

and please share with us all the dates of these clashes ...
i would love to watch:popcorn:

[YewYew]

I know a parent in that age group, they said 2 were cut, 2 went elsewhere. They said that the team was already 1-2 players short this year so that's why 6? (Idk about this number if it's right) were added to the team which outweighed the number cut/leaving

So wait......... Unhappygreek don't know what he talking about?

Sound like he might be UnhappyMaso pretending so that he can stirr that shit.

Ima gonna call :bs: on that right here right now. :wtf:

[jessepinkman]

Sucks when your kid gets cut, true.

Coming on a forum and putting someone on blast with half the story is a fast track to making sure your kid (well, moreso you) gets a 'too hard basket' rep going forward.

Yep, maybe he did do the wrong thing. Maybe he made the decision he thought was best in the moment, and cut your kid as early as possible (not really anyones fault that its during covid, makes it hard, but you cant stop and wait to make decisions if you're already sure of them)


I think this is a really good opportunity to teach a young player about resilience and versatility. Spending ones time blaming others, especially coaches or TDs who are often just people trying to make the right call as per their job description, idk to me it just instills a victim mentality in the kid from day dot.

Kids like that, when things dont go right its always the coaches fault for not playing me, the teammates fault for not passing me the ball etc - theyre a nightmare to coach in youth and senior ranks because theyve had it reinforced that anything negative that happens to them isn't their fault and they the best player in the side. Ends up with a kid who isn't strong enough to bounce back from adversity, to better themselves in training, and to learn to contribute to a team outcome. Combine a difficult parent with the above player personality type? No thanks.

I dont know whats happened in detail, and I dont think anyone on this board does either (or, moreso only giving select detail - both sides) but whats done is done. Dust yourself off, teach the kid about setbacks, hopefully light a fire under him to want more for his footballing life.

[Premy]

My lad played community football until he was 12, spent a year in NPL and then got picked up by the jets. Never got picked in a sap team


And that is the way to do it.
Hell of a lot cheaper too.

[Ghost of Plague]

My lad played community football until he was 12, spent a year in NPL and then got picked up by the jets. Never got picked in a sap team

Sounds like you've got the whole system sorted out Guv.

Nice one.

[Unhappygreek]

Thanks will take it on board but the upsetting thing is like iv said a number of times that the club had told us we were all retained. Try telling an 11 year old they have now changed their mind.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Thanks will take it on board but the upsetting thing is like iv said a number of times that the club had told us we were all retained. Try telling an 11 year old they have now changed their mind.

100% a shit situation to be in.
Consider it a blessing you don’t have to deal with a club that would do that.
As was said, maybe try and turn it into a positive and inspire him to show them what they are missing.
Assuming he’s at Olympic now, so shouldn’t have a problem finding a spot at another SAP.

100% tough for him. Hope he finds a club and is happy.

[Bremsstrahlung]

My lad played community football until he was 12, spent a year in NPL and then got picked up by the jets. Never got picked in a sap team

Should be an option.
I came through community football (8-11 top grade) changed clubs and played 12G, 13D, 14B and 15As before playing ID2s at 15 all while missing out on Macquarie SYL and Newcastle United youth teams.
At 16 went to Play youth and above in NBN and NPL and have many many great memories and achievements to show for it.

I hope that kids that are talented are still afforded opportunities even though they don’t come from the SAP mould.

Kids are lucky now there are so many pathways and avenues to develop their game. I spent my Tuesday and Thursday nights as a 13yo playing “footy” at soccer training ffs.

[Unhappygreek]

Thanks.No his been cut from Olympic as well as a few others, covid means we can’t trial anywhere so it’s tough.

[SAP SUPER COACH]

I agree with Cobra. can't wait to watch this game! will the kids be allowed to do the talking on the field or will these wanna be tough guys who are supposed to be Mentors try and make this all about them again!! grow up guys and let the kids play - its not all about you. embarrassing you should not be coaching anyone!

[terry]

Sucks when your kid gets cut, true.
Coming on a forum and putting someone on blast with half the story is a fast track to making sure your kid (well, moreso you) gets a 'too hard basket' rep going forward.


Actually the first post was ok and and worth knowing. Probably enough suggestions now going forward. When footy starts everyone will find their way again.

[Doopche]

Naaaa after reading all these comments I reckon the masos have pulled off a banger. they have sent in a Trojan horse 🤣.
Well played Magic

[YewYew]

Naaaa after reading all these comments I reckon the masos have pulled off a banger. they have sent in a Trojan horse 🤣.
Well played Magic

Truth! Unhappygreek that Trojan.

WHo TF calls themself that name? Wot cos hamilton are greek all the kids there R2? I gonna make a fake name & chat shit about that club. I got jus the name! I calling Bullshit on him.

I ain’t got a dog in this fight but that BS making up some shit about a fake son. He don’t even have the detail right! 6 kids dumped. Wrong !! TD & coach fault who ain’t even there but u know they all wrong cos…… how?

& now all the Tragic riding in chatting about some 10 yr old game they going to to watch hoping kids biff or parents punch on!

I like to stirr the shit but this shit wild. Grubs R Us

[Unhappygreek]

The TD is there has been at training and games before lockdown

[Isthisforreal]

The TD is there has been at training and games before lockdown

Reading and laughing at the latest thread one of two things has certainly happened here

1. Your son wasn’t good enough to be retained once the EOIs were reviewed

Or

2. and the one I’m backing in as a read hot favourite

You failed the parent di*khead policy and regardless of how good your son was he stood no chance if they got additional EOIs to the current side.

There’s a reason the new coach and TD have players wanting to follow them and that’s a show of support and faith in what they do and how they operate and there’s a reason a club is happy to let parents like you go, all pretty self explanatory.

[JustMe]

Reading and laughing at the latest thread one of two things has certainly happened here
1. Your son wasn’t good enough to be retained once the EOIs were reviewed
Or
2. and the one I’m backing in as a read hot favourite
You failed the parent di*khead policy and regardless of how good your son was he stood no chance if they got additional EOIs to the current side.

There’s a reason the new coach and TD have players wanting to follow them and that’s a show of support and faith in what they do and how they operate and there’s a reason a club is happy to let parents like you go, all pretty self explanatory.

Can you not be a moron so this thread doesnt shut down.

Do you know him personally? Chances not. Stop being a cancer on here.

[finzee]

Can you not be a moron so this thread doesnt shut down.

Do you know him personally? Chances not. Stop being a cancer on here.

Exactly. The whole story has been done.

I wish the comp would start again so we can talk football.

[sapdad]

You'll have to start a new account with a new name

:rof:
Although I hope to still be involved on the coaching side so might still qualify!!Just in case ive registered npldad,nl1dad and iddad depending where my son ends up.

[SAP SUPER COACH]

You sound like a clown who is obviously mates with the coach and TD.like member justme says unless you know the guy personally how can you make comment.
You obviously didn’t read the thread of the meeting that the club had where they got rid of both TD and Coach maybe you should go back a few pages.

[YewYew]

Reading and laughing at the latest thread one of two things has certainly happened here

1. Your son wasn’t good enough to be retained once the EOIs were reviewed

Or

2. and the one I’m backing in as a read hot favourite

You failed the parent di*khead policy and regardless of how good your son was he stood no chance if they got additional EOIs to the current side.

There’s a reason the new coach and TD have players wanting to follow them and that’s a show of support and faith in what they do and how they operate and there’s a reason a club is happy to let parents like you go, all pretty self explanatory.

Option 3 he ain’t a dad of a kid who got let go. He just saying it 2 bad mouth hamilton. Read him posts he don’t no any detail but keep talkin about the TD

Worse thing is wot if the TD read this & think it is one of the dads? 2 kids let go so it ain’t hard 2 just think 1 is posting. maybe he just says both and both kids get black balled just cos this dickhead parent or club man trying to throw shit

It ain’t right & I calling him out. Some kids or parents getting black marks cos this guy. That BS.

[BS detecor]

Another thread bites the dust

[Jim]

Ok we've sorted that.

On another note. I heard some info that some u12s have been added to TSP? many?

[Isthisforreal]

Ok we've sorted that.

On another note. I heard some info that some u12s have been added to TSP? many?

I think you’ll find the group grew to 26 but not much chance of it taking place now with the restrictions.

[Jim]

I think you’ll find the group grew to 26 but not much chance of it taking place now with the restrictions.

cheers

[Aegon]

I think you’ll find the group grew to 26 but not much chance of it taking place now with the restrictions.

When do the Jets announce the 2022 U/13’s squads?
If they haven’t already I mean.

[Goatscheese]

When do the Jets announce the 2022 U/13’s squads?
If they haven’t already I mean.

Traditionally thy start their pre-season training after Nationals which is first half of October. Of course it may have all been pushed back but if we say that they still intend on starting mid-October then they really have another month to sort it out

[Aegon]

Traditionally thy start their pre-season training after Nationals which is first half of October. Of course it may have all been pushed back but if we say that they still intend on starting mid-October then they really have another month to sort it out

This is so late in the scheme of things.

Clubs will have announced their squads then have to make late changes to accommodate it.

Shouldn't they already have an idea on selections by mid to late season and get ahead of the process?

[Isthisforreal]

When do the Jets announce the 2022 U/13’s squads?
If they haven’t already I mean.

I’ve heard emails have been going to parents today a friend of mine has received one for their son.

[Goatscheese]

This is so late in the scheme of things.

Clubs will have announced their squads then have to make late changes to accommodate it.

Shouldn't they already have an idea on selections by mid to late season and get ahead of the process?

Trails wouldn't be happening till next week at the earliest so allowing Jeta a couple weeks in September isn't that late. I said end of September maybe I am 1-2 weeks later than they would and should be doing it for.

I did hear something about Jets wanting to do a round robin tournament for U12JDL teams as part of their selection process so would've have to have waited for the JDL season to finish anyway.

[Johnno]

Trails wouldn't be happening till next week at the earliest so allowing Jeta a couple weeks in September isn't that late. I said end of September maybe I am 1-2 weeks later than they would and should be doing it for.

I did hear something about Jets wanting to do a round robin tournament for U12JDL teams as part of their selection process so would've have to have waited for the JDL season to finish anyway.

There will be no trials next week lockdown until 10th September then a staged return similar to return to schools therefore there will probably be no allowance for groups etc. until 25th October at the very earliest.

[Goatscheese]

There will be no trials next week lockdown until 10th September then a staged return similar to return to schools therefore there will probably be no allowance for groups etc. until 25th October at the very earliest.

Yes thank you I know that, the discussion was around normal circumstances hence the words wouldn't and would've used.

[Take it easy]

There will be no trials next week lockdown until 10th September then a staged return similar to return to schools therefore there will probably be no allowance for groups etc. until 25th October at the very earliest.

If you think there will be meaningful trials for the bigger clubs you’ll be disappointed. Most clubs have already made offers to exisiting and new players from EOIs.

The Jets squads have been selected and parents have been contacted.

The few spots that are left will be a very tough battle in the top clubs and it will filter down to the smaller clubs as the players find their way.

Dates these days are irrelevant.

[terry]

The Jets squads have been selected and parents have been contacted.


Wonder if any decline the offer?

[Aegon]

Wonder if any decline the offer?

Several did last year. It's not for everyone. A lot of 12-13 year olds just want to play with their mates and have fun.

The last 2 years of season cancellations, inability to travel etc would have to have put some that were sitting on the fence off as well you would think.

[Goatscheese]

If you think there will be meaningful trials for the bigger clubs you’ll be disappointed. Most clubs have already made offers to exisiting and new players from EOIs.

This is kind of true, most clubs have made offers to existing players. Some clubs have made offers to new players, some have promised new players they will make an offer once the season is over and some haven't


The Jets squads have been selected and parents have been contacted.

This is total bullshit

[Take it easy]

This is total bullshit[/QUOTE]

Sorry to disappoint. I know a number who have accepted their offer for next.

[Goatscheese]

Sorry to disappoint. I know a number who have accepted their offer for next.

Sorry to disappoint but I spoke to the person responsible and he laughed at it considering they have yet to contact parents of current squad members if they are in the teams next year or not.

[Negative Police]

Sorry to disappoint but I spoke to the person responsible and he laughed at it considering they have yet to contact parents of current squad members if they are in the teams next year or not.

Next years 13s Jets doesnt have any current squad members or are you referring to their current clubs?

Sounds like they are requesting that info now from some. Maybe they might still need more time for the full squad.

[Goatscheese]

Next years 13s Jets doesnt have any current squad members or are you referring to their current clubs?

Sounds like they are requesting that info now from some. Maybe they might still need more time for the full squad.

Well when he said Jets squad I thought he meant all Jets teams. But next years Jets 13s yes that wouldn't apply, some have been selected and contacted but the 13s Jets squad hasn't been finalised yet.

[Aegon]

Well when he said Jets squad I thought he meant all Jets teams. But next years Jets 13s yes that wouldn't apply, some have been selected and contacted but the 13s Jets squad hasn't been finalised yet.

I've seen several announcements on club NPL pages showing kids at their clubs selected by the Jets for 2022. I can only assume the jets have now notified kids of their selection and are now finalising squads?

Only seen 1 name in the 13's so far. It will be interesting to see the squad they have selected. Especially how much weight they have given to kids who played 13's NPL rather than JDL in 2021.

[Goatscheese]

I've seen several announcements on club NPL pages showing kids at their clubs selected by the Jets for 2022. I can only assume the jets have now notified kids of their selection and are now finalising squads?

Only seen 1 name in the 13's so far. It will be interesting to see the squad they have selected. Especially how much weight they have given to kids who played 13's NPL rather than JDL in 2021.

Well yes it has been three weeks now and over this month they have filled spots for those that know are going plus contacted players they were also going to offer spots to anyway.

Retention letters were only sent out last week. So any players that don't accept their retention the Jets will then need to fill in further spots. So the squads aren't finalised.


I've seen a couple names for next year's 13s and they were players that had played 13s and also in the TSP program.

[Isthisforreal]

Well yes it has been three weeks now and over this month they have filled spots for those that know are going plus contacted players they were also going to offer spots to anyway.

Retention letters were only sent out last week. So any players that don't accept their retention the Jets will then need to fill in further spots. So the squads aren't finalised.


I've seen a couple names for next year's 13s and they were players that had played 13s and also in the TSP program.

I know of 5 JDL players and 4 NPL sounds like an even mix so far

Magic
Olympic
Valentine
Maitland

Are the clubs I’ve heard they’re from so far I’m sure there are more

[Goatscheese]

I know of 5 JDL players and 4 NPL sounds like an even mix so far

Magic
Olympic
Valentine
Maitland

Are the clubs I’ve heard they’re from so far I’m sure there are more


One of the kids I know was at Edgeworth the other Magic. Good to see it is a good mix of clubs, means more clubs developing players well

[Aegon]

One of the kids I know was at Edgeworth the other Magic. Good to see it is a good mix of clubs, means more clubs developing players well

One of the benefits of the new system I suppose, more clubs getting will get recognition for developing players. Hopefully it shows that you don't have to go to a successful senior NPL club to make the grade and will ensure more even distribution of talent as time goes on.

I'm looking forward to next year to see how the 13's NPL pans out & how the 13's jets perform after being developed through the club SAP instead of the association SAP as one of the criticisms in the past has been that it doesn't develop the kids at the top enough due to dilution of the best players.

[KITZ]

One of the benefits of the new system I suppose, more clubs getting will get recognition for developing players. Hopefully it shows that you don't have to go to a successful senior NPL club to make the grade and will ensure more even distribution of talent as time goes on.

I'm looking forward to next year to see how the 13's NPL pans out & how the 13's jets perform after being developed through the club SAP instead of the association SAP as one of the criticisms in the past has been that it doesn't develop the kids at the top enough due to dilution of the best players.

Its worth taking into account that for the boys in the jets, they are playing in the same division in football in Sydney that teams at the bottom end of the NPL comp in Newcastle were having competitive trial games against pre-season. It makes me wonder if the Jets Youth system is going to develop much of anything over the next few years, they aren't even playing against other a-league academies next season. I think the youth system at the jets is a write off for the next few years and it will be interesting to see how competitive they are against the NPL teams that are dropped down a division as of next season.

[Goatscheese]

Its worth taking into account that for the boys in the jets, they are playing in the same division in football in Sydney that teams at the bottom end of the NPL comp in Newcastle were having competitive trial games against pre-season. It makes me wonder if the Jets Youth system is going to develop much of anything over the next few years, they aren't even playing against other a-league academies next season. I think the youth system at the jets is a write off for the next few years and it will be interesting to see how competitive they are against the NPL teams that are dropped down a division as of next season.

At least there is promotion for them. There were many games where all teams were scoring double figures. If they are able to get promoted it will help them out

[JustMe]

At least there is promotion for them. There were many games where all teams were scoring double figures. If they are able to get promoted it will help them out

This year the youth were promoted for 2nd round based on 1st round results. Not sure if this holds over to next year.

[KITZ]

This year the youth were promoted for 2nd round based on 1st round results. Not sure if this holds over to next year.

Semantics, but it wasn’t promotion they hit split the division into two - the top teams and the bottom teams seperated. There’s a whole division of 18+ teams above where they currently play that they have no contact with. They are the best of the best in NSW.

[Aegon]

Semantics, but it wasn’t promotion they hit split the division into two - the top teams and the bottom teams seperated. There’s a whole division of 18+ teams above where they currently play that they have no contact with. They are the best of the best in NSW.

What's your point? What are they supposed to do? COVID derailed the plans to promote quickly to the appropriate level but it will happen eventually.

At the end of the day we have about 12% the population of Sydney. The Jets youth will find their level bouncing between NPL 1 & 2. Even if next years Jets 13's are in NPL 4 they should hit NPL 2 at least before 16's or 18's where the best of the best kids should be getting the game experience they need.

[Goatscheese]

What's your point? What are they supposed to do? COVID derailed the plans to promote quickly to the appropriate level but it will happen eventually.

At the end of the day we have about 12% the population of Sydney. The Jets youth will find their level bouncing between NPL 1 & 2. Even if next years Jets 13's are in NPL 4 they should hit NPL 2 at least before 16's or 18's where the best of the best kids should be getting the game experience they need.

Jets 13s are in NPL2 as well, all of them are.

FNSW had NPL 1.1, 1.2, 2.1, 2.2 Jets were in 2.1 and dominating all games except for the 15s which at times only just managed to win. All of NPL 1.1 and top half of 1.2 are in NPL1 now. Bottom half of 1.2 and top half of 2.1 are in NPL2 and the rest are in NPL3.

Jets are this year only in NPL2 because they were put in 2.1 and weren't allowed to move out of there. Now they have promotion and relegation Jets have a good chance of moving up to NP1 they will still dominate half of NPL2 but will be interesting to see how they go against these clubs coming from 1.2 and could very well get promoted. U13s aren't counted towards the club championship for promotion

[KITZ]

What's your point? What are they supposed to do? COVID derailed the plans to promote quickly to the appropriate level but it will happen eventually.

At the end of the day we have about 12% the population of Sydney. The Jets youth will find their level bouncing between NPL 1 & 2. Even if next years Jets 13's are in NPL 4 they should hit NPL 2 at least before 16's or 18's where the best of the best kids should be getting the game experience they need.

If you don't get my point I don't think I can help you. If you are only getting the "best" at 16 or 18 then that's a lot of cash to pay out waiting to hit 16 if you are even still in the squad by then. its 3k a season now isn't it? Lots of them are jumping to the mariners when they figure it out...

[BS detecor]

What's your point? What are they supposed to do? COVID derailed the plans to promote quickly to the appropriate level but it will happen eventually.

At the end of the day we have about 12% the population of Sydney. The Jets youth will find their level bouncing between NPL 1 & 2. Even if next years Jets 13's are in NPL 4 they should hit NPL 2 at least before 16's or 18's where the best of the best kids should be getting the game experience they need.

It could be argued that there are a bunch of jets kids sacrificing their own development for future generations of jets players especially as this will be their 3rd year in the bottom division because of covid

[Goatscheese]

It could be argued that there are a bunch of jets kids sacrificing their own development for future generations of jets players especially as this will be their 3rd year in the bottom division because of covid

They will be in the second division next year

[BS detecor]

They will be in the second division next year

They were in 2nd division this year, they may get to play the teams that struggle in the top div if FNSW don’t succumb to the pressure from those relegated clubs.
Seniors will still play NPL4

[terry]

They were in 2nd division this year, they may get to play the teams that struggle in the top div if FNSW don’t succumb to the pressure from those relegated clubs.
Seniors will still play NPL4

3 years of no movement. NSWF is just as cancerous as nnswf.

[Goatscheese]

They were in 2nd division this year, they may get to play the teams that struggle in the top div if FNSW don’t succumb to the pressure from those relegated clubs.
Seniors will still play NPL4

Not really they were in 2.1 there was 1.1 and 1.2 above them

[BS detecor]

Not really they were in 2.1 there was 1.1 and 1.2 above them

No they were in NPL2, they had NPL1 above them, 24 teams. At the start of the season they just had to come top2 and be promoted but half way through the year FNSW changed the rules again so now they just get to play the 8 strugglers from the top24 sides. The seniors stay in NPL4.
It will be season 4 before they even have a chance to play the other A league academy’s and if you factor in the NPL life of the average kid, there are a lot who sacrificed their best years for future kids at 2 - 3 grand a year.
That was the point I was getting at

[Goatscheese]

No they were in NPL2, they had NPL1 above them, 24 teams. At the start of the season they just had to come top2 and be promoted but half way through the year FNSW changed the rules again so now they just get to play the 8 strugglers from the top24 sides. The seniors stay in NPL4.
It will be season 4 before they even have a chance to play the other A league academy’s and if you factor in the NPL life of the average kid, there are a lot who sacrificed their best years for future kids at 2 - 3 grand a year.
That was the point I was getting at

It was really the third tier. Just like League 1 isn't the top league in England

[jim wallis]

It was really the third tier. Just like League 1 isn't the top league in England

I think it's a good improvement.

If they can start there and jump another it puts them into the right company soon enough.

[cobra23]

Geez ,
this thread is getting boring again LOL
Bring back some club talk , fights , arguments etc.

[Doopche]

I’m hearing the Jets youth are changing their name to Newcastle Magic, they have selected so many from Magic over the years LOL.
All jokes aside they should be proud that so many get picked up, shows they are doing things correctly. Credit where credit is due.

[The Magician]

I’m hearing the Jets youth are changing their name to Newcastle Magic, they have selected so many from Magic over the years LOL.
All jokes aside they should be proud that so many get picked up, shows they are doing things correctly. Credit where credit is due.

23 players from Magic have transitioned to the Jets in the last 3 years... Premier Youth Development Club!!!

[Isthisforreal]

I’m hearing the Jets youth are changing their name to Newcastle Magic, they have selected so many from Magic over the years LOL.
All jokes aside they should be proud that so many get picked up, shows they are doing things correctly. Credit where credit is due.

Not wrong but there’s a couple of clubs this year that have supplied the bulk

In the 13s
Magic x 5-6
Olympic x 4
Maitland x 4
Valo x 2

Doesn’t say much for the development programs at other clubs nothing from Jaffas , Edgy, Weston, Charlestown

[Aegon]

Not wrong but there’s a couple of clubs this year that have supplied the bulk

In the 13s
Magic x 5-6
Olympic x 4
Maitland x 4
Valo x 2

Doesn’t say much for the development programs at other clubs nothing from Jaffas , Edgy, Weston, Charlestown

Yes, if the clubs mentioned continually don’t have players progress to the Jets.

It cannot be based solely off the first year of the program where clubs have had control over development.

Charlestown, Edgy & Jaffa’s are all stronger in this years 11’s than this years 12’s so it will be interesting to see if the numbers are consistent at the end of next year.

Hopefully as the program progresses more parents will see that they don’t need to go to the strong NPL clubs to see their kids progress.

[Aegon]

Also, the Jets choose squads of 16?
That’s a lot of bench time for some kids.

[Goatscheese]

Not wrong but there’s a couple of clubs this year that have supplied the bulk

In the 13s
Magic x 5-6
Olympic x 4
Maitland x 4
Valo x 2

Doesn’t say much for the development programs at other clubs nothing from Jaffas , Edgy, Weston, Charlestown

Should look at the numbers taken across all grades before talking about development at other clubs or lack thereof

[Isthisforreal]

Yes, if the clubs mentioned continually don’t have players progress to the Jets.

It cannot be based solely off the first year of the program where clubs have had control over development.

Charlestown, Edgy & Jaffa’s are all stronger in this years 11’s than this years 12’s so it will be interesting to see if the numbers are consistent at the end of next year.

Hopefully as the program progresses more parents will see that they don’t need to go to the strong NPL clubs to see their kids progress.

Fair indication of who got their JDL/SAP programs rights. Jaffas will have a strong 13s next year thanks to other clubs developing players for them. Edgy have made huge strides to improving and developing their program and will be a leader in the space. So all is not lost it’s just an indication.

[Aegon]

Fair indication of who got their JDL/SAP programs rights. Jaffas will have a strong 13s next year thanks to other clubs developing players for them. Edgy have made huge strides to improving and developing their program and will be a leader in the space. So all is not lost it’s just an indication.

I love how you agreed with me but still managed to get an anti-Jaffa’s jab in there. Well done :rof:

[sapdad]

Fair indication of who got their JDL/SAP programs rights. Jaffas will have a strong 13s next year thanks to other clubs developing players for them. Edgy have made huge strides to improving and developing their program and will be a leader in the space. So all is not lost it’s just an indication.

After watching the same kids for 4 years now my opinion is Magic and Olympic consistently played the best football.Maitland has been the biggest improver.Jaffas were the biggest rollercoaster (one of the best,lost the plot,back to some really good football).I never liked how Edgeworth played but their team was successful if wins mattered.New Lambton fell off the earth after being one of the better teams.The rest all had a few really good players but all seem to be relying on recruits from outside their group for 13's onwards.The one constant is that good coaches made good football and as parents thats where we should all be pointing our kids from 13's upward.Wins now matter but development is still primary and the really good coaches in the program know this and preach it.
One other thing regarding the Jets congratulations to the kids that got picked.It sounds like some good ones missed out but its always going to be the case.13's NPL next year should be interesting to see how the first crop of SAP kids go.Hopefully the kids know that there is still a long road ahead and to keep on getting better whether they are in the team coming first or the team coming last.

[JustMe]

I love how you agreed with me but still managed to get an anti-Jaffa’s jab in there. Well done :rof:

Magic dont develop all of those kids either. Many go there from other clubs later so they get seen by the selectors.

[Doopche]

Magic dont develop all of those kids either. Many go there from other clubs later so they get seen by the selectors.

That’s a strange statement. Why do selectors go to magic to see the players then? Maybe it’s because they are good at producing good players? Or is it maybe the kids want to play with other good kids that magic have already developed which in return makes them play better? Wether it’s magic or Olympic, how is it their fault that parents want to take their kids to these teams? People want to take their son/daughter there as they had the best chance of getting noticed like you said the selectors always gravitate to those clubs for talent. Wether they have the better coaches or just have a knack for developing players. Like someone wrote over 20 in last few years compared to jaffas who don’t have so many. Not having a crack at jaffas but just mentioned them as they have a strong seniors but juniors not so good.
I’m just stating the obvious.

[Ghost of Plague]

Doesn’t say much for the development programs at other clubs nothing from Jaffas , Edgy, Weston, Charlestown

For what its worth from what I've been told looks like about 4 or 5 of the Jets 13s started their SAP development at the clubs you've mentioned above (and one other inner city club).

Maybe the bigger question is why such good players felt the need to leave their original clubs in the first place.

[Yaa Yaa]

Olympic coaches quitting in SAP space already. From what I’m hearing it’s shambles, players leaving left right in lower age groups.

[Retired01]

Olympic coaches quitting in SAP space already. From what I’m hearing it’s shambles, players leaving left right in lower age groups.

Friends have told me they had an U9s coach who was not very nice and now gone to Magic

[Yaa Yaa]

9s and 10s coaches I heard. I haven’t heard anything about Magic hiring an Olympic coach. Unless maybe the coaches kid has gone there.

[YewYew]

Friends have told me they had an U9s coach who was not very nice and now gone to Magic

Correct about coach not nice. Screaming at 8 yr olds & touchline tantrums makes u unpopular real quick. Something also about his g/friend son getting axed too.

No loss @ all from what i told.

[The Magician]

Another Magic player to the Jets, this time a player from the U11s being selected in the Jets U13s... Premier Youth Development Club!!!

[Doopche]

Something also about his g/friend son getting axed too.

No loss @ all from what i told.

That’s a bit harsh don’t you think? Let’s not get personal here with kids abilities. This is the problem with this forum. Most of you wouldn’t write the crap you write if real names were attached to it.

[YewYew]

That’s a bit harsh don’t you think? Let’s not get personal here with kids abilities. This is the problem with this forum. Most of you wouldn’t write the crap you write if real names were attached to it.

Werent talking about the kid being no loss. Saying the coach no loss. Dont know the kid but know parents who been around the coach. As i said no loss.

[Doopche]

Another Magic player to the Jets, this time a player from the U11s being selected in the Jets U13s... Premier Youth Development Club!!!

That’s a fair effort. So going off the old posts that age group has lost another talented player. Which team was he from if you don’t mind me asking?

[The Magician]

That’s a fair effort. So going off the old posts that age group has lost another talented player. Which team was he from if you don’t mind me asking?

From the team whose coach wasn't "moved on"...

Now 2 spots available to join the U12s, invitations to trial to be send soon.

[Aegon]

Another Magic player to the Jets, this time a player from the U11s being selected in the Jets U13s... Premier Youth Development Club!!!

I'm amazed at that selection, the lad is a good young player to be sure. You can't fault his or his parents commitment in the amount of travel they do. But did he deserve that spot above kids in their own age group or above kids that have been selected to play up an age group and stand out consistently?

I haven't seen the full selection list but if he was chosen ahead of the lad from Olympic who plays up every week and is an extremely effective player I'll be gob smacked.

There'll be lot's of under 12 kids feeling very hard done by right now.

[Take it easy]

I'm amazed at that selection, the lad is a good young player to be sure. You can't fault his or his parents commitment in the amount of travel they do. But did he deserve that spot above kids in their own age group or above kids that have been selected to play up an age group and stand out consistently?

I haven't seen the full selection list but if he was chosen ahead of the lad from Olympic who plays up every week and is an extremely effective player I'll be gob smacked.

There'll be lot's of under 12 kids feeling very hard done by right now.

The selection process is a disgrace, the kids I’ve heard that have missed for some of those who have gotten in is an embarrassment to those who selected the squad.

Some names I’ve seen are out and out the best kids in the age no question but some are obviously a favour to a person or a club.

Some very good quality players have missed selection.

The boy you refer to from Olympic is one of the most talented kids I have seen for a long time and if anyone was selected from the age below he would easily be number one if it was a genuine selection process.

I have no sour grapes as I’m not affected by it but from the outside looking in the 13s haven’t all been selected on merit.

[Isthisforreal]

I'm amazed at that selection, the lad is a good young player to be sure. You can't fault his or his parents commitment in the amount of travel they do. But did he deserve that spot above kids in their own age group or above kids that have been selected to play up an age group and stand out consistently?

I haven't seen the full selection list but if he was chosen ahead of the lad from Olympic who plays up every week and is an extremely effective player I'll be gob smacked.

There'll be lot's of under 12 kids feeling very hard done by right now.

For once I can finally agree with you. As painful as this is, you are 100% on the money with the comments.

[Doopche]

And here they are, the ugly side of football raises its head again. Salty parents carrying on. I guess you all must know more than a guy that’s played for Holland. Kew should have just asked people in this forum who to pick in the team.

[sapdad]

Parents on here really dont need to be bagging the selection of 12 years old kids who have just achieved something really cool.Heaps of kids will be upset to miss out and thats fine.But some of the unexpected selections i heard are really talented kids and maybe they are there because they fill a specific skill set rather than just picking the best 16 centre mids and strikers.The jets need to be a team,temperament matters,coachability matters and it looks like thats what they tried to do.If you dont agree,ok but bagging out selectors and kids is pathetic.As Doopche said,id trust the selector more than random internet parents.

[KITZ]

Parents on here really dont need to be bagging the selection of 12 years old kids who have just achieved something really cool.Heaps of kids will be upset to miss out and thats fine.But some of the unexpected selections i heard are really talented kids and maybe they are there because they fill a specific skill set rather than just picking the best 16 centre mids and strikers.The jets need to be a team,temperament matters,coachability matters and it looks like thats what they tried to do.If you dont agree,ok but bagging out selectors and kids is pathetic.As Doopche said,id trust the selector more than random internet parents.

Have a year or two in the NPL space before you make your mind up about how you think football works in Newcastle. I can tell you across age groups there's some that have had suspensions and others have been repeatably pulled up on behaviour. It is just best to put no weight on the selections and progress football away from being worried about selections like this. Its nice if it happens but it often doesn't mean someone is a better footballer than someone else. It's just football in Newcastle.

We haemorrhage absolutely great footballers because of the belief that to "make" it they have to be selected by the jets. We need to sell a different story in Newcastle, and we need to start selling it soon with the amount of teams increasing in this space and players dropping out as they get older (even more so in the women's football space).

When people ask I often link it to a 100m race in athletics, you know you lost if you come second or third because simply the other person was faster on the day. In football, you can come first and the person waving from the stands gets selected.

[sapdad]

Have a year or two in the NPL space before you make your mind up about how you think football works in Newcastle. I can tell you across age groups there's some that have had suspensions and others have been repeatably pulled up on behaviour. It is just best to put no weight on the selections and progress football away from being worried about selections like this. Its nice if it happens but it often doesn't mean someone is a better footballer than someone else. It's just football in Newcastle.

We haemorrhage absolutely great footballers because of the belief that to "make" it they have to be selected by the jets. We need to sell a different story in Newcastle, and we need to start selling it soon with the amount of teams increasing in this space and players dropping out as they get older (even more so in the women's football space).

When people ask I often link it to a 100m race in athletics, you know you lost if you come second or third because simply the other person was faster on the day. In football, you can come first and the person waving from the stands gets selected.

I dont think anyone on here is throwing kids in the bin if they didnt make the Jets.Nor should they be writing kids off if they didnt make TSP, NPL or any other desired level.I just find the argument of shitting on kids achievements because others think they know better laughable.If you, Aegon or me get to pick the team from kids we've watched we will come up with 3 completely different teams and people will have a problem with that too.The 13's team has been picked,im happy for the kids that got in.As for hemorrhaging footballers,who are the people trashing kids that dont make it?Id say 90% of them are parents who throw their toys out if their kid doesnt get in,but probably dont take the time to ask why they didnt get in and learn from it.How that can be the fault of NNSW is beyond me.Out of control parents are the biggest cancer in the program,as they are in all sports.How you get rid of them and keep the kids happy and motivated would require a much bigger brain that mine.Your line about "it often doesn't mean someone is a better footballer than someone else" is spot on.The Jets are building a team and different factors need to be taken into account.

[Eastwest]

I dont think anyone on here is throwing kids in the bin if they didnt make the Jets.Nor should they be writing kids off if they didnt make TSP, NPL or any other desired level.I just find the argument of shitting on kids achievements because others think they know better laughable.If you, Aegon or me get to pick the team from kids we've watched we will come up with 3 completely different teams and people will have a problem with that too.The 13's team has been picked,im happy for the kids that got in.As for hemorrhaging footballers,who are the people trashing kids that dont make it?Id say 90% of them are parents who throw their toys out if their kid doesnt get in,but probably dont take the time to ask why they didnt get in and learn from it.How that can be the fault of NNSW is beyond me.Out of control parents are the biggest cancer in the program,as they are in all sports.How you get rid of them and keep the kids happy and motivated would require a much bigger brain that mine.Your line about "it often doesn't mean someone is a better footballer than someone else" is spot on.The Jets are building a team and different factors need to be taken into account.

Rubbish.
I have seen this 11yo he goes good but there are better 12s and better 11s playing up in 12s. Thats not sh*tting on anyone. I have no kids in jdl so that parents call is retarded.

[Ghost of Plague]

Rubbish.
I have seen this 11yo he goes good but there are better 12s and better 11s playing up in 12s. Thats not sh*tting on anyone. I have no kids in jdl so that parents call is retarded.

Hahahaha look at this guy.

"Ive got no kids in JDL but I've certainly seen enough to form opinions on which kids are good enough to be picked."

So you're either a stalker or a groundskeeper then?

[Doopche]

I'm amazed at that selection, the lad is a good young player to be sure. You can't fault his or his parents commitment in the amount of travel they do. But did he deserve that spot above kids in their own age group or above kids that have been selected to play up an age group and stand out consistently?

I haven't seen the full selection list but if he was chosen ahead of the lad from Olympic who plays up every week and is an extremely effective player I'll be gob smacked.

There'll be lot's of under 12 kids feeling very hard done by right now.

You are 100% the guy that runs that SAP page on Facebook. Pretty obvious. Makes sense now you know so much about everything that goes on at other clubs.

[Aegon]

You are 100% the guy that runs that SAP page on Facebook. Pretty obvious. Makes sense now you know so much about everything that goes on at other clubs.

Nope, if you want to know who I am just PM me, I’ll give you mine and my sons names. I’ve got literally no reason to hide who I am. My profile description gives enough hints that if you know even one parent at Jaffa’s 11’s it’s easy to figure out.

[Eastwest]

Nope, if you want to know who I am just PM me, I’ll give you mine and my sons names. I’ve got literally no reason to hide who I am. My profile description gives enough hints that if you know even one parent at Jaffa’s 11’s it’s easy to figure out.

bahaha. He has no idea.

Doopcheschit continues to be a cancer in our junior football. Moron needs to disappear for good.

[Eastwest]

Hahahaha look at this guy.

"Ive got no kids in JDL but I've certainly seen enough to form opinions on which kids are good enough to be picked."

So you're either a stalker or a groundskeeper then?

Lol listen turd who doesnt know anything either.

Ive watch football at all levels but mainly youth. And no kids in the game so more neutral than most here.

[Oldy]

Lol listen turd who doesnt know anything either.

Ive watch football at all levels but mainly youth. And no kids in the game so more neutral than most here.

Just ignore those trolls. they may be mentally challenged and we dont want to confuse them.

IMO no 11s should be there unless they are superstars. There's none they good in 11s.

[jim wallis]

And here they are, the ugly side of football raises its head again. Salty parents carrying on. I guess you all must know more than a guy that’s played for Holland. Kew should have just asked people in this forum who to pick in the team.

Kew didnt pick all the players. Being from the cancer club should know that by now.

[jim wallis]

Another Magic player to the Jets, this time a player from the U11s being selected in the Jets U13s... Premier Youth Development Club!!!

Prove that Magic do dodgy deals to get kids in. Well done to the grubs

[The Magician]

Premier youth development club!!!

[jim wallis]

Premier youth development club!!!

:rof::rof::rof:

[Doopche]

“Let’s all jump for Newcastle, OLE OLE”
“Let’s all jump for Newcastle, OLE OLE”

[Bremsstrahlung]

Head on over to https://viva10.myshopify.com/collections/newcastle-jets-21-22 . For $200 you can get your kids a Jets kit and a training shirt and they can pretend they are in the Jets, for 10% of the price of being in their junior squads. That’s mostly what its about right? 30% better coaching and development, 20% recognition and 50% dickwaving you’re in the Jets.
The gap between Jets and NPL clubs is narrowing.0

Stick to NPL or whatever and enjoy the game, play the game for fun, develop and learn in a different environment and try again.
Selections for anything never please everybody. Use it as motivation to be better or to learn to deal with disappointment.

Feel sorry for the kids if this is the reaction from SOME parents. Sure, be disappointed for your child, or nephew or random kids you watch on weekends, but maybe try setting an example for how they should react to setbacks.

[Goatscheese]

Nope, if you want to know who I am just PM me, I’ll give you mine and my sons names. I’ve got literally no reason to hide who I am. My profile description gives enough hints that if you know even one parent at Jaffa’s 11’s it’s easy to figure out.

If you didn't say you played for Valentines O/35s the rest of your profile matches that bloke lol

[Goatscheese]

Prove that Magic do dodgy deals to get kids in. Well done to the grubs

Who said anything about dodgy deals? Does help that one of the selectors is involved at Magic

[northern_swan]

You are 100% the guy that runs that SAP page on Facebook. Pretty obvious. Makes sense now you know so much about everything that goes on at other clubs.


If you didn't say you played for Valentines O/35s the rest of your profile matches that bloke lol

100% not the same person. Also rest of profile doesn’t match. The only match is where their sons play.

[BS detecor]

Coaching is absolutely no better than most NPL coach’s. Slightly higher profile and free season ticket is about the only benefit. Everyone should experience it if they have the chance but it is by no means the fist step to anywhere special.

[Doopche]

Who said anything about dodgy deals? Does help that one of the selectors is involved at Magic

A Jets selector at Magic? Hahah since when? Pretty sure Magic wouldn’t have a double agent taking their best kids away from the club. Sounds pretty stupid to me. Considering they weren’t happy when Jets took 5 kids from same team only last year.
So who’s the magic coach selector?

[Goatscheese]

A Jets selector at Magic? Hahah since when? Pretty sure Magic wouldn’t have a double agent taking their best kids away from the club. Sounds pretty stupid to me. Considering they weren’t happy when Jets took 5 kids from same team only last year.
So who’s the magic coach selector?

Damian Zane his role is more than just head coach

[Goatscheese]

Coaching is absolutely no better than most NPL coach’s. Slightly higher profile and free season ticket is about the only benefit. Everyone should experience it if they have the chance but it is by no means the ONLY fiRst step to anywhere special.

Fixed that for you

[jim wallis]

Trials up and running again soon

[YerMate]

Why is the NPL youth thread locked.who can reopen it.

[The Magician]

Why is the NPL youth thread locked.who can reopen it.

Someone didn't QR code scan in appropriately when replying to a message.

[KITZ]

Why is the NPL youth thread locked.who can reopen it.

Didn’t you hear? Without the forum it doesn’t exist anymore!

Was closed because of people from the coast breaching covid rules and people complaining about particular players who were doing it. agree it can probably be opened again now, although it might be risky with the coast still classed as Sydney! 🤷🏻*♀️

[Goatscheese]

Didn’t you hear? Without the forum it doesn’t exist anymore!

Was closed because of people from the coast breaching covid rules and people complaining about particular players who were doing it. agree it can probably be opened again now, although it might be risky with the coast still classed as Sydney! 🤷🏻*♀️

Well it was closed because a player from the coast got an exemption from NSW Health to travel and people from Magic started naming and abusing the player on the forum.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Appears lessons were not learnt.

[sapdad]

I heard the thread wasnt double vaxxed yet so isnt allowed back until December 1st.

[YerMate]

#reopen NPL youth feed, we all know Olympic stuffed up the Comp and closed it down due to the breach.

[traffic light]

#reopen NPL youth feed, we all know Olympic stuffed up the Comp and closed it down due to the breach.

Just put Youth info in here.

Olympic publicly announced their Jets recruits.

Oliver Bartrop - U13 Jets
Harry Butcher - U13 Jets
Darcy Goodwin - U13 Jets
Angus Gray - U13 Jets
Tommy Butcher - U15 Jets
Jake Goodwin - U15 Jets
Oliver Steinerts - U15 Mariners
George Tsamouras - U16 Jets
Seth Anderson - U16 Jets

[KITZ]

Trials up and running again soon

Because I generally enjoy being the odd one out, I'm really looking forward to the Girls JDL again this season!

I know there's a lot of focus on the boys, but there was a lot of girls picked up by the Jets and I'm looking forward to seeing how the competition changes with the younger girls now having a pathway through the clubs as well as moving up through football.

What a completely different football experience it is as well compared to boys football in general.

[YewYew]

Just put Youth info in here.

Olympic publicly announced their Jets recruits.

Oliver Bartrop - U13 Jets
Harry Butcher - U13 Jets
Darcy Goodwin - U13 Jets
Angus Gray - U13 Jets
Tommy Butcher - U15 Jets
Jake Goodwin - U15 Jets
Oliver Steinerts - U15 Mariners
George Tsamouras - U16 Jets
Seth Anderson - U16 Jets

Magic FB saying 5 kids picked 4 jets but ppl on here saying 6. 1 said no or ppl on here full of it?

[sapdad]

Magic FB saying 5 kids picked 4 jets but ppl on here saying 6. 1 said no or ppl on here full of it?
l
The Facebook post is correct.4 from the 12's and one from 11's.All good players and just like all the kids from other clubs, they deserve their spot and we should all be happy for them and wish them well.From conversations there are a few kids picked for the 13's that were outside of the TSP.Is it a different selection committee for each program?

[BS detecor]

Magic FB saying 5 kids picked 4 jets but ppl on here saying 6. 1 said no or ppl on here full of it?

At least 1 has said no

[The Magician]

At least 1 has said no

3 said no

[Goatscheese]

Just put Youth info in here.

Olympic publicly announced their Jets recruits.

Oliver Bartrop - U13 Jets
Harry Butcher - U13 Jets
Darcy Goodwin - U13 Jets
Angus Gray - U13 Jets
Tommy Butcher - U15 Jets
Jake Goodwin - U15 Jets
Oliver Steinerts - U15 Mariners
George Tsamouras - U16 Jets
Seth Anderson - U16 Jets

Good for those kids, the Under 15 side at Olympic will be different with all their firepower gone. Getting four into U13s is good too, same with Magic think they had 5 of theirs selected into U13s

[Goatscheese]

l
The Facebook post is correct.4 from the 12's and one from 11's.All good players and just like all the kids from other clubs, they deserve their spot and we should all be happy for them and wish them well.From conversations there are a few kids picked for the 13's that were outside of the TSP.Is it a different selection committee for each program?

Yes that is correct, generally the same selection group at least the person who gets the final say is the same. But you don't need to go through TSP to be selected into the Jets or the Nationals, even if that's how Northern and Jets say it works.

[traffic light]

3 said no

Where else would they go? Mariners?

[traffic light]

Yes that is correct, generally the same selection group at least the person who gets the final say is the same. But you don't need to go through TSP to be selected into the Jets or the Nationals, even if that's how Northern and Jets say it works.

It was stated earlier that the 2022 Jets would be selected from the 12s TSP groups. Did that not happen?

[Goatscheese]

It was stated earlier that the 2022 Jets would be selected from the 12s TSP groups. Did that not happen?

Not all of them, most of them were

[Take it easy]

Not all of them, most of them were

https://northernnswfootball.com.au/high-performance/talent-support-program/


Think you’ll find that they all made the TSP2

[cobra23]

Where else would they go? Mariners?

Ever thought that they might have declined due to the commitment side of things ..
yeah you made the jets but have you thought about travelling to Sydney every weekend , 4 nights training , 3K rego etc.

[terry]

Ever thought that they might have declined due to the commitment side of things ..
yeah you made the jets but have you thought about travelling to Sydney every weekend , 4 nights training , 3K rego etc.

"Ever thought".... can you ever reply without being a ckhead. geez.

Next why would they trial when that is the expectation to start with

[KITZ]

"Ever thought".... can you ever reply without being a ckhead. geez.

Next why would they trial when that is the expectation to start with

I'm not sure what drain you crawled out of, but you are welcome to go back into it - or read back several pages where this has been covered for the umpteenth time.

[Alan]

"Next why would they trial when that is the expectation to start with

Terry,

My understanding is that players didn't "trial", but were selected through observations - good old fashioned scouting if you like. Some trials were held for TSP earlier in the year but not everyone selected in the Jets came from the TSP.

A

[terry]

I'm not sure what drain you crawled out of, but you are welcome to go back into it - or read back several pages where this has been covered for the umpteenth time.

Why stick your grubby nose in for your boyfriend? Cobra being the usual moron you 2 fit well together.

jog on.

[terry]

Terry,

My understanding is that players didn't "trial", but were selected through observations - good old fashioned scouting if you like. Some trials were held for TSP earlier in the year but not everyone selected in the Jets came from the TSP.

A

Cheers Al. Nice to get some info from a normal person.

[cobra23]

Why stick your grubby nose in for your boyfriend? Cobra being the usual moron you 2 fit well together.

jog on.

Sorry TERRY , Who are you..
have not seen you in this thread of late...

I answered a ****en question you Nob ...

How about you read more of my answer and maybe pick up the fact that i was more having ago about the setup of the jets system etc. ,expensive etc., travel etc..
but some how i was having a go at someone :wtf:

[cobra23]

Terry,

My understanding is that players didn't "trial", but were selected through observations - good old fashioned scouting if you like. Some trials were held for TSP earlier in the year but not everyone selected in the Jets came from the TSP.

A

Hi Al,
You don't need to explain to this ring in , he is obviously trying to crawl himself out of his wrong answer that he THOUGHT he knew.. but was wrong

[Aegon]

This week I have watched several games of 11's and 12's lads from various clubs playing in summer comp 7v7.
Lots of good football being played, great to see them back on the field and enjoying themselves.

[terry]

Sorry TERRY , Who are you..
have not seen you in this thread of late...

I answered a ****en question you Nob ...

How about you read more of my answer and maybe pick up the fact that i was more having ago about the setup of the jets system etc. ,expensive etc., travel etc..
but some how i was having a go at someone :wtf:

Who invited this cancer back?

Not sure which hoar were you dropped from but its time to depart.

I know a bit more than what you are capable of. See ya champ.

[terry]

Hi Al,
You don't need to explain to this ring in , he is obviously trying to crawl himself out of his wrong answer that he THOUGHT he knew.. but was wrong

This tryhard still spreading its disease. delete yourself

[KITZ]

This tryhard still spreading its disease. delete yourself

I know there's people in the world that struggle with social interactions, but you seem to have a real problem with being able to read the room. In every forum you have decided to post in you have either insulted or abused people, while the rest of us here can manage a conversation.

Either get better at reading the room, or go somewhere else.

[Daz]

i received an email yesterday "invitation to trial: tsp open trials" im surprised that northern nsw football are asking players to trial shouldnt they be identifying players and inviting them to participate? theyll have 200 boys an girls turn up and then choose up to 40 boys and girls in the group this is a very large number does anyone know if they are starting with 40 but culling numbers over the cycles?

[Goatscheese]

i received an email yesterday "invitation to trial: tsp open trials" im surprised that northern nsw football are asking players to trial shouldnt they be identifying players and inviting them to participate? theyll have 200 boys an girls turn up and then choose up to 40 boys and girls in the group this is a very large number does anyone know if they are starting with 40 but culling numbers over the cycles?

Are they charging for trials?

[JustMe]

i received an email yesterday "invitation to trial: tsp open trials" im surprised that northern nsw football are asking players to trial shouldnt they be identifying players and inviting them to participate? theyll have 200 boys an girls turn up and then choose up to 40 boys and girls in the group this is a very large number does anyone know if they are starting with 40 but culling numbers over the cycles?

Thats a lot of kids. If there's a cost then it's revenue.

Judging from what ive heard from parents with older kids and I'm only guessing here is that some people may have been aggrieved from the last couple of years that their child didnt get a chance to trial due to not being liked by the TDs.
So what was NNSW scouts looking for this year if they are going to start afresh next year anyway?

[onlooker]

i received an email yesterday "invitation to trial: tsp open trials" im surprised that northern nsw football are asking players to trial shouldnt they be identifying players and inviting them to participate? theyll have 200 boys an girls turn up and then choose up to 40 boys and girls in the group this is a very large number does anyone know if they are starting with 40 but culling numbers over the cycles?

I’m surprised that it’s going to be open trials. As a coach of a 13’s girls team we have been asked to nominate who we believe should go to the trials so I thought that would be how it is done all over the board. But maybe due to comments made by another that some weren’t happy because they felt the TD didn’t like them and wasn’t given a fair chance, ( which Unfortunately can be all too true) they are allowing those who don’t get nominated to decide themselves to go and trial.

[Daz]

i thought northern would have the boys and girls contact details at registration why would they need to go through tds? if they are out looking at the kids at all they should know there names and be able to contact the parents with offers. this is from the email it says there is no cost

THE TRIALS AND WHAT TO EXPECT
There is no cost involved to trial. Players are to wear their club training kit and to bring a water bottle.
Each player will need to attend two open trial sessions.

BOYS:
• Monday 17 January, 9.30am -11.30am
• Tuesday 18 January, 3.30pm - 5.30pm
GIRLS:
• Monday 17 January, 3.30pm - 5.30pm
• Tuesday 18 January, 9.30am - 11.30am

[Goatscheese]

i thought northern would have the boys and girls contact details at registration why would they need to go through tds?

I suspect that the selectors will look more closely at those players nominated than those that weren't.

[KITZ]

i thought northern would have the boys and girls contact details at registration why would they need to go through tds? if they are out looking at the kids at all they should know there names and be able to contact the parents with offers. this is from the email it says there is no cost

THE TRIALS AND WHAT TO EXPECT
There is no cost involved to trial. Players are to wear their club training kit and to bring a water bottle.
Each player will need to attend two open trial sessions.

BOYS:
• Monday 17 January, 9.30am -11.30am
• Tuesday 18 January, 3.30pm - 5.30pm
GIRLS:
• Monday 17 January, 3.30pm - 5.30pm
• Tuesday 18 January, 9.30am - 11.30am

What age group?

[Aegon]

What age group?

It’s under 12’s.

[KITZ]

It’s under 12’s.

thanks, makes sense, hard to get around to all the JDL clubs, some move clubs between JDL and NPL etc due to team sizes and selections. Never hurts to go for a run if you are invited it helps to see where your strengths are and where you could improve against other kids.

Go for a run, have some fun, learn something, don't be disheartened if you miss out if theres lots of kids.

[KITZ]

Commenting so people who actually want to participate like normal human beings can find the thread....

[Captain_Carl]

I wonder if next year it will be called the JDL forum?

[KITZ]

:wtf::bs:

[JustMe]

i thought northern would have the boys and girls contact details at registration why would they need to go through tds? if they are out looking at the kids at all they should know there names and be able to contact the parents with offers. this is from the email it says there is no cost

THE TRIALS AND WHAT TO EXPECT
There is no cost involved to trial. Players are to wear their club training kit and to bring a water bottle.
Each player will need to attend two open trial sessions.

BOYS:
• Monday 17 January, 9.30am -11.30am
• Tuesday 18 January, 3.30pm - 5.30pm
GIRLS:
• Monday 17 January, 3.30pm - 5.30pm
• Tuesday 18 January, 9.30am - 11.30am

middle of school hols. hmmmm. Token event?

[KITZ]

middle of school hols. hmmmm. Token event?

Nah, national camp for the older boys and girls is around the same time. Would be before the next TSP cycle starts.

[Goatscheese]

Nah, national camp for the older boys and girls is around the same time. Would be before the next TSP cycle starts.

Yep and they want the cycles to coincide with the school terms so needs to be sorted before schools starts

[Aegon]

Yep and they want the cycles to coincide with the school terms so needs to be sorted before schools starts

Probably should have been sorted this side of Christmas then, a lot of kids will miss the trials due to pre arranged holidays, etc

[KITZ]

Probably should have been sorted this side of Christmas then, a lot of kids will miss the trials due to pre arranged holidays, etc

If kids are serious about their football they won't miss an opportunity to trial for TSP if given it, if they do theres 150 kids waiting behind them to have a go.

Sorry but not sorry? it's a commitment in life like everything else is.

[traffic light]

Probably should have been sorted this side of Christmas then, a lot of kids will miss the trials due to pre arranged holidays, etc

Agree. do it now.

6 weeks wont make any difference. Families with pre made plans to travel shouldnt be a handicap.

[KITZ]

Agree. do it now.

6 weeks wont make any difference. Families with pre made plans to travel shouldnt be a handicap.

Nope, they have given 6 weeks for people to be able to be organised. I believe theres a cycle still going. They aren't going to boot the current kids out so people can stop crying about being too busy in the school holidays to attend.

The current batch of 15's need to finish up before they bring a new cohort in.

BTW once they hit NPL you get two weeks at Christmas and you are back into preseason 2/3 nights a week, there isn't no 6 weeks of holidays then either.

[Aegon]

Nope, they have given 6 weeks for people to be able to be organised. I believe theres a cycle still going. They aren't going to boot the current kids out so people can stop crying about being too busy in the school holidays to attend.

The current batch of 15's need to finish up before they bring a new cohort in.

BTW once they hit NPL you get two weeks at Christmas and you are back into preseason 2/3 nights a week, there isn't no 6 weeks of holidays then either.

Nobody said anything about finishing the current cycle early. Just running trials prior to a holiday period.

6 weeks? It means nothing if you booked a holiday prior to that notification. Lots of people haven’t seen friends, family or taken time off work for an extended amount of time due to covid restrictions.

Expecting people to cancel their plans for under 12 trials is ridiculous.

My son will be at the trial days as we’ll be back from holidays prior, however I guarantee he would have missed out if we had a clash.

[KITZ]

Nobody said anything about finishing the current cycle early. Just running trials prior to a holiday period.

6 weeks? It means nothing if you booked a holiday prior to that notification. Lots of people haven’t seen friends, family or taken time off work for an extended amount of time due to covid restrictions.

Expecting people to cancel their plans for under 12 trials is ridiculous.

My son will be at the trial days as we’ll be back from holidays prior, however I guarantee he would have missed out if we had a clash.

The cycle wouldn't finish until the school holidays which is right before Christmas, so yes it would have to be finished earlier to compensate. They likely have missed some sessions as well due to lockdown.

I know people who travel from the mid-coast to play football down here. I know people who are at the wanderers from up here who travel to Sydney. People choose to make different levels of commitment to football, but there ain't no way a club or the federation is going to rearrange their whole trial period to suit peoples holiday schedules. Theres nothing to say that you've booked a holiday and the borders won't shut again either or travel gets restricted again, thats also another choice that people have to make.

If you don't want to cancel your plans to attend no one is forcing you. There would be kids who are on holidays who would also make the effort to travel back here just to attend. Because thats the commitment they and their families have made to their football.

There would be also people going away before Christmas, should they arrange a special session just to suit every single individual, now that you've just made them cancel all their plans to attend? where does it end? just when it suits you?

[Oldy]

The cycle wouldn't finish until the school holidays which is right before Christmas, so yes it would have to be finished earlier to compensate. They likely have missed some sessions as well due to lockdown.

I know people who travel from the mid-coast to play football down here. I know people who are at the wanderers from up here who travel to Sydney. People choose to make different levels of commitment to football, but there ain't no way a club or the federation is going to rearrange their whole trial period to suit peoples holiday schedules. Theres nothing to say that you've booked a holiday and the borders won't shut again either or travel gets restricted again, thats also another choice that people have to make.

If you don't want to cancel your plans to attend no one is forcing you. There would be kids who are on holidays who would also make the effort to travel back here just to attend. Because thats the commitment they and their families have made to their football.

There would be also people going away before Christmas, should they arrange a special session just to suit every single individual, now that you've just made them cancel all their plans to attend? where does it end? just when it suits you?

Nah. They should do it now before everyone goes.

[Aegon]

The cycle wouldn't finish until the school holidays which is right before Christmas, so yes it would have to be finished earlier to compensate. They likely have missed some sessions as well due to lockdown.

I know people who travel from the mid-coast to play football down here. I know people who are at the wanderers from up here who travel to Sydney. People choose to make different levels of commitment to football, but there ain't no way a club or the federation is going to rearrange their whole trial period to suit peoples holiday schedules. Theres nothing to say that you've booked a holiday and the borders won't shut again either or travel gets restricted again, thats also another choice that people have to make.

If you don't want to cancel your plans to attend no one is forcing you. There would be kids who are on holidays who would also make the effort to travel back here just to attend. Because thats the commitment they and their families have made to their football.

There would be also people going away before Christmas, should they arrange a special session just to suit every single individual, now that you've just made them cancel all their plans to attend? where does it end? just when it suits you?

You’re missing the point entirely. Northern could have run TRIALS for cycle 1 2022 prior to school holidays starting, which wouldn’t affect the current batch of 2021 TSP. It’s also minimising the disruption to the majority of potential participants.
Regardless of yours or anyone else’s level of commitment, Northern could have easily planned this better or even, as someone mentioned earlier, avoided trials altogether by undertaking active scouting & identification which is 100% their remit.

[Goatscheese]

Probably should have been sorted this side of Christmas then, a lot of kids will miss the trials due to pre arranged holidays, etc

Hence why they have asked TDs to nominate players as well

[Take it easy]

Anyone heard how the Jets academy is going ?

Hearing kids are already leaving back to local NPL clubs

[The Berlin Wall]

Anyone heard how the Jets academy is going ?

Hearing kids are already leaving back to local NPL clubs

What ages are u referring to?

What clubs?

Are these players who have gone back to NPL as jets was too much for them?

[KITZ]

Anyone heard how the Jets academy is going ?

Hearing kids are already leaving back to local NPL clubs

15s were smashed 16-0 by Sydney FC. Not sure about other age groups.

Haven't heard about any leaving, I know in past seasons there has been migrations to the mariners.

[The Berlin Wall]

A few of the age groups, 13s,15s and 16s not sure on 14s.

No not because it’s to much just because the NPL is better from one parent I spoke to, said the academy was very poorly run

NPL better than the Jets? Jeez that sucks. If kids walking after being there a couple of months things cannot be good. What is so poorly run about it? Thought Kew was making it professional

[The Berlin Wall]

15s were smashed 16-0 by Sydney FC. Not sure about other age groups.

Haven't heard about any leaving, I know in past seasons there has been migrations to the mariners.

That ain’t good. I know it is early on in the season but

[BS detecor]

Thought Kew was making it professional

😂😂it’s an academy in name only

[The Berlin Wall]

Elsewhere edgy have been picking up some of their rivals best players for 11s and 12s next year. The A team 10s from this year were unbeatable and that won’t change next season with the extra fire power they got.

Good luck everyone else, you will need it

[cobra23]

Wrong about the 10s being unbeatable.
Magic spanked both of the edgy teams

[Ghost of Plague]

An unbeatable team that got spanked?

Surely the only way to settle this is for you guys to post a link to the table or some photos of the kiddies holding grand final trophies or even better how about the parents show us the sheep stations they obviously procured as part of their dominant season.

Seriously, Santa hasn't even turned up yet and we are already on this bullshit.

Gonna be a long season.

[The Berlin Wall]

Wrong about the 10s being unbeatable.
Magic spanked both of the edgy teams

Nuh. You been listening to the Magic telegraph to much. That telegraph will make you dizzy. All spin.

[The Berlin Wall]

An unbeatable team that got spanked?

Surely the only way to settle this is for you guys to post a link to the table or some photos of the kiddies holding grand final trophies or even better how about the parents show us the sheep stations they obviously procured as part of their dominant season.

Seriously, Santa hasn't even turned up yet and we are already on this bullshit.

Gonna be a long season.

Here he is! Casper who can’t help but comment on everything, but he don’t care about it. No really, he doesn’t.

People talk about scores and best teams on every forum. You yourself chat plenty on these topics. Just check your previous self and know we know.

It’s all good though. We just having fun. Keep it interesting and respectful. Onya.

[Ghost of Plague]

Here he is! Casper who can’t help but comment on everything, but he don’t care about it. No really, he doesn’t.

People talk about scores and best teams on every forum. You yourself chat plenty on these topics. Just check your previous self and know we know.

It’s all good though. We just having fun. Keep it interesting and respectful. Onya.

Correct, how else would I know if my u/10 SAP bets got up unless we dissect each game on here. To be fair a few pre match injury reports going into each round would be greatly appreciated too.

Anyway, Merry Christmas Mr Wall and may the big man bless your kiddies with many dominant victories and dish out humiliating defeats for all those who dare to wear a different coloured shirt to you.


Cheers,
Casper.

[The Berlin Wall]

Correct, how else would I know if my u/10 SAP bets got up unless we dissect each game on here. To be fair a few pre match injury reports going into each round would be greatly appreciated too.

Anyway, Merry Christmas Mr Wall and may the big man bless your kiddies with many dominant victories and dish out humiliating defeats for all those who dare to wear a different coloured shirt to you.


Cheers,
Casper.

Love ya Casper. You write loads of words and always try to look clever and sometimes you do OK.

Me and you will have some fun on here. Merry Christmas friend. We will ‘bet with mates’ on New Lambton vs Cooks Hill in ‘22. xx

[finzee]

The competition between most clubs grows closer each year. 9s was a farce 12s much better.

Not sure about overall technical ability though. If the Jets cant get it right what chance the clubs.

[KITZ]

Elsewhere edgy have been picking up some of their rivals best players for 11s and 12s next year. The A team 10s from this year were unbeatable and that won’t change next season with the extra fire power they got.

Good luck everyone else, you will need it

You are either Captain_Carl who's been permabanned or shamed into making a new account, or just really new here and didn't bother to read The MILLION pages where this has been covered to death.

NO ONE CARES. Winning in JDL / SAP means NOTHING. The people that know don't care and thats not what JDL is for. If they are just flogging the ball past midfield all the time then those kids in the back and midfield are literally learning NO SKILLS. Their goalkeeper won't make NPL doing that either.

Do you know why? Because kids that don't do anything don't learn anything. Those that have been working hard against that team end up better skilled and edgy will be wanting them for NPL. Its no different to NPL Youth to Seniors. those top clubs start looking at the kids that have been putting in and working their asses off not walking into wins for seniors. Why? Because they are more resilient against things not always going their way and they know they have to work hard to get the results.

Point in case - Kids leaving the jets after bad trial games. They are likely the new kids selected who are used to having wins handed to them on a plate, Once it gets hard, they bail back to easy wins (If the clubs will take them back).

your comments are like cancer to kids and youth sport.

[Captain_Carl]

You are either Captain_Carl who's been permabanned or shamed into making a new account, or just really new here and didn't bother to read The MILLION pages where this has been covered to death.

NO ONE CARES. Winning in JDL / SAP means NOTHING. The people that know don't care and thats not what JDL is for. If they are just flogging the ball past midfield all the time then those kids in the back and midfield are literally learning NO SKILLS. Their goalkeeper won't make NPL doing that either.

Do you know why? Because kids that don't do anything don't learn anything. Those that have been working hard against that team end up better skilled and edgy will be wanting them for NPL. Its no different to NPL Youth to Seniors. those top clubs start looking at the kids that have been putting in and working their asses off not walking into wins for seniors. Why? Because they are more resilient against things not always going their way and they know they have to work hard to get the results.

Point in case - Kids leaving the jets after bad trial games. They are likely the new kids selected who are used to having wins handed to them on a plate, Once it gets hard, they bail back to easy wins (If the clubs will take them back).

your comments are like cancer to kids and youth sport.

The nasty woman from Lake Macquarie City is back at it again. Leave me out of this you wannabe.

[The Berlin Wall]

You are either Captain_Carl who's been permabanned or shamed into making a new account, or just really new here and didn't bother to read The MILLION pages where this has been covered to death.

NO ONE CARES. Winning in JDL / SAP means NOTHING. The people that know don't care and thats not what JDL is for. If they are just flogging the ball past midfield all the time then those kids in the back and midfield are literally learning NO SKILLS. Their goalkeeper won't make NPL doing that either.

Do you know why? Because kids that don't do anything don't learn anything. Those that have been working hard against that team end up better skilled and edgy will be wanting them for NPL. Its no different to NPL Youth to Seniors. those top clubs start looking at the kids that have been putting in and working their asses off not walking into wins for seniors. Why? Because they are more resilient against things not always going their way and they know they have to work hard to get the results.

Point in case - Kids leaving the jets after bad trial games. They are likely the new kids selected who are used to having wins handed to them on a plate, Once it gets hard, they bail back to easy wins (If the clubs will take them back).

your comments are like cancer to kids and youth sport.

Great, everyone has come out to play!

the point is that Edgy who were already one of the strongest in SAP just got stronger. Youth sport is ALL about competition and if you don’t know that you are in for a hard few years ahead. The players will win and lose but the ones that make it furthest are the ones who mostly win. From they way you talk I guess your kids club mostly loses and I hate to tell you most of the players there have already found their limit.

discuss the strongest clubs out there picking up the best kids from other clubs and then ask those parents why they move. Stop calling people cancer when you don’t like hearing a few home truths.

[W8 WATCHER]

Great, everyone has come out to play!

the point is that Edgy who were already one of the strongest in SAP just got stronger. Youth sport is ALL about competition and if you don’t know that you are in for a hard few years ahead. The players will win and lose but the ones that make it furthest are the ones who mostly win. From they way you talk I guess your kids club mostly loses and I hate to tell you most of the players there have already found their limit.

discuss the strongest clubs out there picking up the best kids from other clubs and then ask those parents why they move. Stop calling people cancer when you don’t like hearing a few home truths.

the real captain carl, please stand up.

[sapdad]

Theres no NPL youth thread but its been interesting being on the trial circuit over the last few months transitioning from JDL to NPL youth.Its going to be interesting to see how some of the better JDL programs go with losing their best kids to the Jets.Ive also seen a lot of kids coming from community and making NPL teams which is good as it means a lot of clubs dont have any preconceived bias towards the JDL program.Clubs are also forming a real identity in the way they recruit and plan on playing which looks like a good short term idea but I worry if the kids will continue to develop through to 16's.Seeing this first generation of JDL kids jump up to the next level should hopefully give clubs some good ideas on how to tweak their JDL programs for the next generation of kids.It will be interesting to see where everyone ends up at the end of the next cycle after 16's.Hopefully a large percentage of them stick with it but to think theres probably 4 teams that will consistently win in that time means theres a fair few hard times ahead for the majority.

[KITZ]

The nasty woman from Lake Macquarie City is back at it again. Leave me out of this you wannabe.

You know what they say about assumptions. #ass. Not sure why you keep bringing City up though, you seem obsessed…

[KITZ]

the real captain carl, please stand up.

#agree.


Great, everyone has come out to play!

the point is that Edgy who were already one of the strongest in SAP just got stronger. Youth sport is ALL about competition and if you don’t know that you are in for a hard few years ahead. The players will win and lose but the ones that make it furthest are the ones who mostly win. From they way you talk I guess your kids club mostly loses and I hate to tell you most of the players there have already found their limit.

discuss the strongest clubs out there picking up the best kids from other clubs and then ask those parents why they move. Stop calling people cancer when you don’t like hearing a few home truths.

Lol. It’s no home truths for me. So many guesses and they are all wrong.

Neither of my kids current clubs (note the “s”) “mostly” lose. But I also educate them to never forget where they come from and how they worked to get where they are now.

One moved to be closer to home and the other is also closer to home but also playing in an older age group. Lol.

[The Berlin Wall]

#agree.



Lol. It’s no home truths for me. So many guesses and they are all wrong.

Neither of my kids current clubs (note the “s”) “mostly” lose. But I also educate them to never forget where they come from and how they worked to get where they are now.

One moved to be closer to home and the other is also closer to home but also playing in an older age group. Lol.

"It's all about the development. I don't care about scores. BUT LISTEN EVERYONE - MY KID PLAYS UP AN AGE GROUP!!!!" Now there is your LOL!!

It's all good Kitz. I'm just playing with ya. Good luck to your kids. Genuinely.

[W8 WATCHER]

"It's all about the development. I don't care about scores. BUT LISTEN EVERYONE - MY KID PLAYS UP AN AGE GROUP!!!!" Now there is your LOL!!

It's all good Kitz. I'm just playing with ya. Good luck to your kids. Genuinely.

CC, sorry TBW
YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BERLIN WALL?
It will finally be brought down. stick to cleaning

[cobra23]

Nuh. You been listening to the Magic telegraph to much. That telegraph will make you dizzy. All spin.

ive been around football a long time and are friends with just about everyone from SAP/JDL to even the jets first grade .. so go back and read your EDGY TELEGRAPH
All grades are strong at magic , there 11s and 12s are better

but i agree , Edgy will be a little bit stronger picking up a few from Olympic

[finzee]

Elsewhere edgy have been picking up some of their rivals best players for 11s and 12s next year. The A team 10s from this year were unbeatable and that won’t change next season with the extra fire power they got.

Good luck everyone else, you will need it

Edgy will be strong but Olympic will have strong 12s next year. Magic a little depleted but still very competitive. Jaffas strong. Adamstown had a very handy team too. Maitland pretty good. didnt see all elevens this year though. And depends if clubs have A & B teams as well.

Not to mention bigger kids on a smallish pitch things get interesting.

Be good to see competition again but I wouldn't pay attention to results. look at technique. Are we getting that right?

[Yaa Yaa]

Elsewhere edgy have been picking up some of their rivals best players for 11s and 12s next year. The A team 10s from this year were unbeatable and that won’t change next season with the extra fire power they got.

Good luck everyone else, you will need it

What a stupid comment. How many kids has your club produced from the JDL into the Jets recently? I can’t remember reading anywhere you have tbh. I’ve seen Magic, Olympic, Maitland, valentine produce kids but none from Edgeworth. That’s how you judge success and not a score line in under 10 you imbecile.
Only reason Edgy might have gotten a tad better now is because Jobe sending kids there.
Stay in your lane over competitive dad. Seems like your 10s might have won a few battles but like ze Germans they lost the war.

[terry]

Listen to these Tragic turds having a cry. It's fantastic.

Yaa Yaa wants to call others imbeciles when he is the cancer. lol.

Cobra, you had one whole team leave because your club are grubs. fact. enjoy your custard. lolol

[cobra23]

Listen to these Tragic turds having a cry. It's fantastic.

Yaa Yaa wants to call others imbeciles when he is the cancer. lol.

Cobra, you had one whole team leave because your club are grubs. fact. enjoy your custard. lolol

shall we go back to the other month when you were proven wrong Terry Toweling, typical no body. FACT.

[The Berlin Wall]

What a stupid comment. How many kids has your club produced from the JDL into the Jets recently? I can’t remember reading anywhere you have tbh. I’ve seen Magic, Olympic, Maitland, valentine produce kids but none from Edgeworth. That’s how you judge success and not a score line in under 10 you imbecile.
Only reason Edgy might have gotten a tad better now is because Jobe sending kids there.
Stay in your lane over competitive dad. Seems like your 10s might have won a few battles but like ze Germans they lost the war.

It's amazing I have managed to bring everyone out of the wood on this forum. It is like a Xmas family gettogether. Everyone arguing and losing their sh*t over nothing. Merry Xmas!

Thanks for trying with the 'Seems like your 10s might have won a few battles but like ze Germans they lost the war' line. It made zero sense but worth a go. What war did these 9 year olds lose? Never mind.

Here is what I think - in 2022 Edgy will have more kids selected for the Jets than Magic. In 2023 Edgy will have more kids selected for the Jets than Magic. I also think, quietly, you know that is going to be the case as well.

Edgy will be the first to say they didn't get things right with SAP when it first started but they are making up for it now.

[The Berlin Wall]

CC, sorry TBW
YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BERLIN WALL?
It will finally be brought down. stick to cleaning

Good grief man. DM me your posts before you click reply and I'll edit them for you so they make sense. No charge.

[Aegon]

It's amazing I have managed to bring everyone out of the wood on this forum. It is like a Xmas family gettogether. Everyone arguing and losing their sh*t over nothing. Merry Xmas!

Thanks for trying with the 'Seems like your 10s might have won a few battles but like ze Germans they lost the war' line. It made zero sense but worth a go. What war did these 9 year olds lose? Never mind.

Here is what I think - in 2022 Edgy will have more kids selected for the Jets than Magic. In 2023 Edgy will have more kids selected for the Jets than Magic. I also think, quietly, you know that is going to be the case as well.

Edgy will be the first to say they didn't get things right with SAP when it first started but they are making up for it now.

On this point, you may be right in 2022, who knows?

Last year Edgy had maybe 5 kids who would be in consideration and has picked up one of the best kids from Jaffa's. Maybe picked up some other kids from elsewhere?

To be fair though I think Magic, Edgy, Jaffa's, Magic & Olympic in next years 12's all have roughly the same amount of kids who stand out. Azzurri and Rosebud also have a couple as well and there may be 1 or 2 from other clubs.
The competition and game quality in last years under 11 boys was great. All the clubs above are capable of coming out on top in any particular game against each other. There is no super team/club which I think helps a lot of these young players in their development.

Hopefully next year is more of the same.

[Captain_Carl]

I want to give a big shout out to all my mates at Valo. Your JDL program is second to none and the amount of talent you produce is amazing. Your new facility will be a game changer and help you to retain more of your talent. When the facility opens I will do a special promotion and sell my horns for half price. Go Valo! Jeepers creepers yeah!

[Doopche]

It's amazing I have managed to bring everyone out of the wood on this forum. It is like a Xmas family gettogether. Everyone arguing and losing their sh*t over nothing. Merry Xmas!

Thanks for trying with the 'Seems like your 10s might have won a few battles but like ze Germans they lost the war' line. It made zero sense but worth a go. What war did these 9 year olds lose? Never mind.

Here is what I think - in 2022 Edgy will have more kids selected for the Jets than Magic. In 2023 Edgy will have more kids selected for the Jets than Magic. I also think, quietly, you know that is going to be the case as well.

Edgy will be the first to say they didn't get things right with SAP when it first started but they are making up for it now.

LOL this won’t happen. You do know Magic have about 6 kids under age playing up in the 11s and they still dominate. Imagine if they played their own age. Trust me I know some of these kids and if they played their own age it would be like the 13s competition this year. Magic 13s was like 20 wins from 20 and I don’t think a team even come within 2 goals of them.
Not sure why you would get excited about JDL results but. Wait till points are up for grabs then you tell your friends little Billy’s team is the best 🤦

[The Berlin Wall]

LOL this won’t happen. You do know Magic have about 6 kids under age playing up in the 11s and they still dominate. Imagine if they played their own age. Trust me I know some of these kids and if they played their own age it would be like the 13s competition this year. Magic 13s was like 20 wins from 20 and I don’t think a team even come within 2 goals of them.
Not sure why you would get excited about JDL results but. Wait till points are up for grabs then you tell your friends little Billy’s team is the best 🤦

I think Doopche spent so long editing his post that he missed my earlier comment about kids ‘playing up’. I love to hear parents talk about their 9 year old playing with the big 10 year olds. Those months, sometimes weeks, age gaps is certainly worth screaming about. Don’t forget to tell everyone your boy is playing up. Oh too late, you already did.

I saw those Magic 13s this year and they were fantastic. Remind me how many U12s ‘played up’ in that squad? The answer is actually none, but the question was rhetorical so, yeah, you know.

[The Berlin Wall]

I want to give a big shout out to all my mates at Valo. Your JDL program is second to none and the amount of talent you produce is amazing. Your new facility will be a game changer and help you to retain more of your talent. When the facility opens I will do a special promotion and sell my horns for half price. Go Valo! Jeepers creepers yeah!

Carl, go to bed. I’ll take it from here.

[Doopche]

I think Doopche spent so long editing his post that he missed my earlier comment about kids ‘playing up’. I love to hear parents talk about their 9 year old playing with the big 10 year olds. Those months, sometimes weeks, age gaps is certainly worth screaming about. Don’t forget to tell everyone your boy is playing up. Oh too late, you already did.

I saw those Magic 13s this year and they were fantastic. Remind me how many U12s ‘played up’ in that squad? The answer is actually none, but the question was rhetorical so, yeah, you know.

No I don’t think you understand what I’m telling you dummy. I didn’t say my son plays up, I’m telling you they have a lot of kids that play up. What’s going to happen if some of those decide to stay in same age and do 12s again and not go NPL yet? Your star team might not look so good then. I couldn’t care less who wins a game of JDL but you have jumped on here to either to stir the pot or you’re a loser dad that lives through his son and come on here to gloat because they won a few games of kick and giggle at 10yrs old. We don’t care if edgy is better than magic under 10s. Next time I see the Jets selectors I’ll tell them a dad on forum said edgy is full of superstars at 10. Can someone let me know when these 2 teams play next season so I can come watch and listen to “Berlin wall” I reckon it would be very amusing if they were to lose and watch him crying in the stands yelling at the poor kids. Grow up.
Now get back into the cave you crawled out of.

[KITZ]

No I don’t think you understand what I’m telling you dummy. I didn’t say my son plays up, I’m telling you they have a lot of kids that play up. What’s going to happen if some of those decide to stay in same age and do 12s again and not go NPL yet? Your star team might not look so good then. I couldn’t care less who wins a game of JDL but you have jumped on here to either to stir the pot or you’re a loser dad that lives through his son and come on here to gloat because they won a few games of kick and giggle at 10yrs old. We don’t care if edgy is better than magic under 10s. Next time I see the Jets selectors I’ll tell them a dad on forum said edgy is full of superstars at 10. Can someone let me know when these 2 teams play next season so I can come watch and listen to “Berlin wall” I reckon it would be very amusing if they were to lose and watch him crying in the stands yelling at the poor kids. Grow up.
Now get back into the cave you crawled out of.

I really don't understand the logic of someone coming on and ranting about a club like this person has with edgy. They either don't realise that it doesn't really do anything positive for the clubs image, or they are actually from another club trying to make them look bad. If they have an awesome training program then tell us all about what they are doing in that space, because thats interesting and relevant.

The "Club or Die" mantra that some people have is great when you are a supporter, but a bit tough for kids who aren't always likely to stay at one club their whole development and probably the worst part of the new system. What happens when all of a sudden your kid isn't part of the clubs plans anymore, quit football? I think it pays to be a bit more pragmatic than that.

[Doopche]

I really don't understand the logic of someone coming on and ranting about a club like this person has with edgy. They either don't realise that it doesn't really do anything positive for the clubs image, or they are actually from another club trying to make them look bad. If they have an awesome training program then tell us all about what they are doing in that space, because thats interesting and relevant.

The "Club or Die" mantra that some people have is great when you are a supporter, but a bit tough for kids who aren't always likely to stay at one club their whole development and probably the worst part of the new system. What happens when all of a sudden your kid isn't part of the clubs plans anymore, quit football? I think it pays to be a bit more pragmatic than that.

Agree. He’s a new member so he’s trying to get a bite it seems. He’s only putting pressure on them now, I just hope he’s not a coach. I hope they are talented and go far in football but it’s a bit early to be crowing about how good a team is at JDL level. I’m not going to say how good or bad a team is. I’m just saying what I know and seen over the last few years being around it. Not sure why there would be any hate towards any club at this level? Keep that chest beating crap for the NPL and let these kids play.

[The Berlin Wall]

I really don't understand the logic of someone coming on and ranting about a club like this person has with edgy. They either don't realise that it doesn't really do anything positive for the clubs image, or they are actually from another club trying to make them look bad. If they have an awesome training program then tell us all about what they are doing in that space, because thats interesting and relevant.

The "Club or Die" mantra that some people have is great when you are a supporter, but a bit tough for kids who aren't always likely to stay at one club their whole development and probably the worst part of the new system. What happens when all of a sudden your kid isn't part of the clubs plans anymore, quit football? I think it pays to be a bit more pragmatic than that.

Oh, Kitz. Me pulling you up on silly statements is going to become a bit of a reoccurring theme I can see.

I haven't "ranted" about Edgy at all. I made informed observations and predictions. But your back was up because it probably dawned on you that the reason most of your conversations with people about soccer go nowhere is because you drop in the "my kid plays up" line every chance you get. No one cares. Honestly. I hope that helps.

[The Berlin Wall]

Agree. He’s a new member so he’s trying to get a bite it seems. He’s only putting pressure on them now, I just hope he’s not a coach. I hope they are talented and go far in football but it’s a bit early to be crowing about how good a team is at JDL level. I’m not going to say how good or bad a team is. I’m just saying what I know and seen over the last few years being around it. Not sure why there would be any hate towards any club at this level? Keep that chest beating crap for the NPL and let these kids play.

Fantastic advice from Mr Doopche! Now, let me scroll back a few pages on this forum and see how consistent this statement is with his previous posts. Oh...

Congratulations on getting the post up first time though. You clearly spent a while with spell check. Onya. :brrr: