2022 Zone Premier League thread

[The Hacker]

Some guys have been doubling up midweek too, a handful will be playing their 5th game in 7 days tomorrow night.

For whatever reason, when it rains, it pours and we seem to either have 40 or 20 blokes available.

Dudley apparently back in form just in time to play us this week, good result for them over the weekend. Looking forward to see how the top 4 ends up and who can put it together in the finals.

When do first grade play Dudley

[WWFC25]

Great explanation. With make up games midweek how’s tha effect your numbers

This week with the illnesses still not great but we can call on our multi registers and U17s as they aren’t playing their own catch-ups on Thursday (we couldn’t use them Sunday due to their own catch-up games) so we should be able to get 3 teams without too many double ups against Dudley.

But hopefully everyone back on deck for Old Boys Day and next midweek against Warners Bay.

[WWFC25]

When do first grade play Dudley

Tuesday 6.30pm

[Kicktheball]

Based on what you have seen from each club, how do you think the top 4 of each grade will end up.

For me personally:

1st- Suns/Dudley/mayfield/ and Cardiff and warners battling for the 4th

2nds- Warners/cardiff/mayfield/suns

3rds- Dudley/Azzuri/cardiff/suns

[Negative Police]

Based on what you have seen from each club, how do you think the top 4 of each grade will end up.

For me personally:

1st- Suns/Dudley/mayfield/ and Cardiff and warners battling for the 4th

1st Suns Dudley Mayfield Wbay or Azzurri. Cardiff overhyped

[The Hacker]

Based on what you have seen from each club, how do you think the top 4 of each grade will end up.

For me personally:

1st- Suns/Dudley/mayfield/ and Cardiff and warners battling for the 4th

2nds- Warners/cardiff/mayfield/suns

3rds- Dudley/Azzuri/cardiff/suns

In Reserves the wheels are falling off the Suns I think Dudley might sneak in.

In first you could throw Cookers and Azzurri into the mix

[Lofty]

In Reserves the wheels are falling off the Suns I think Dudley might sneak in.

In first you could throw Cookers and Azzurri into the mix

Injuries killing us at the moment and it affects ressies the worst unfortunately. 10 first/ressie boys missing on the weekend. Can't seem to catch a break at the moment. Still enough points to play for though!

[WWFC25]

Westlakes vs Dudley 1st Grade
0-4

Suns again this weekend so should be able to give an honest opinion of where everyone will end up come finals after that.

[HAFC_ZL]

Suns vs. Azzurri (Lower grades catch-up)

Res: 3-2
3rds: 0-1

[The Hacker]

Suns vs. Azzurri (Lower grades catch-up)

Res: 3-2
3rds: 0-1

I spoke to soon on the Suns reserves wheels falling off

[Buddha]

I spoke to soon on the Suns reserves wheels falling off

It was a story of missed chances for Azzurri, had plenty of the ball, had plenty of chances, but couldn't convert.

3rds was Suns having a good chunk of possession but not creating any clear cut chances after conceding early. Azzurri GK spent most of the time picking up errant long passes or taking goal kicks. I dont recall him having to make any difficult saves of note, apart from one that hit him clean in the face late on

No referees last night either as they were legitimately watching the Australia Cup tie at No.2. An absolute shambles. Cheers to the Suns clubman for doing both games. Did a pretty good job as well let the game flow as much as he could in both games

[Lofty]

It was a story of missed chances for Azzurri, had plenty of the ball, had plenty of chances, but couldn't convert.

3rds was Suns having a good chunk of possession but not creating any clear cut chances after conceding early. Azzurri GK spent most of the time picking up errant long passes or taking goal kicks. I dont recall him having to make any difficult saves of note, apart from one that hit him clean in the face late on

No referees last night either as they were legitimately watching the Australia Cup tie at No.2. An absolute shambles. Cheers to the Suns clubman for doing both games. Did a pretty good job as well let the game flow as much as he could in both games

Twice in a week having no referees. Shambles is putting it nicely. All clubs are going through a hectic schedule with games every few days and we can't get referees for games that have been in place for a number of weeks! No club volunteers want to have the burden of having to referee games.

[2ndclasscitizen]

No refs for Cooks Hill last night either.

[The Hacker]

No refs for Cooks Hill last night either.

What were the results

[2ndclasscitizen]

4-3 win Cooks Hill (3rds only, Res and 1st tonight).

[The Hacker]

4-3 win Cooks Hill (3rds only, Res and 1st tonight).

Who against

[HAFC_ZL]

Suns vs. Azzurri First Grade
3-4

[gtg]

Suns vs. Azzurri First Grade
3-4
Wow looks like the hacker was right. The wheels are falling off at the suns!

[Buddha]

Suns were down 3-0 at HT as well. The wheels on the bus have fallen from possibly? Lucky they have a massive gap

[Buddha]

Wow looks like the hacker was right. The wheels are falling off at the suns!

They were poor in all 3 grades if I am honest. The excuse that they played a handful of matches in the space of a week doesn’t fly with me considering the players they have at their disposal. Ego’s will only take you so far. Azzurri 1sts wanted t it more on the night

[The Hacker]

4-3 win Cooks Hill (3rds only, Res and 1st tonight).

Results here?

[AwayDay Views]

1st
Cooks Hill 2 - W Bay 6
Res
Cooks Hill 3 - W Bay 2

[The Hacker]

1st
Cooks Hill 2 - W Bay 6
Res
Cooks Hill 3 - W Bay 2

Geez that’s a result in firsts. It’s as tight as ever in firsts

[Kicktheball]

Geez that’s a result in firsts. It’s as tight as ever in firsts

All grades are so close. Ressies is anyones for the top 4. Next few matches are crucial

[WWFC25]

Westlakes vs Dudley
Thirds and Ressies playing tonight.

We will do our best to make the ladders even more interesting.

[The Hacker]

Westlakes vs Dudley
Thirds and Ressies playing tonight.

We will do our best to make the ladders even more interesting.

How are numbers looking after the weekend

[WWFC25]

Much better now we have the U17 and Multi Registers to use. 15 fresh in 3rds 11 fresh in Res with 3 backing up from thirds.

[The Hacker]

Much better now we have the U17 and Multi Registers to use. 15 fresh in 3rds 11 fresh in Res with 3 backing up from thirds.

It’s good to see with the late call up from ZL1 that Westlakes have been competitive cause it’s a bigger jump than some clubs think and if they survive the first year they can build on that

[mge61]

Bit more rain now to throw a spanner in the works.

[Jardelsimage]

Westlakes vs Dudley
Thirds and Ressies playing tonight.

We will do our best to make the ladders even more interesting.

scores???

[The Hacker]

Bit more rain now to throw a spanner in the works.

Everyone should get on. One day of rain in 2 weeks shouldn’t wash out a ground

[WWFC25]

scores???

Westlakes vs Dudley
3rds 1-7
Res 0-6

Far too good and adapted well to the conditions.

Ressies called off with 5 to go as the pitch was waterlogged and people were sliding everywhere.

Looking unlikely to get on this weekend but will assess tomorrow.

[Lofty]

Suns v Westlakes, all grades washed out.

[HAFC_ZL]

Suns v Westlakes, all grades washed out.

Hexham Park is on tomorrow.

[Lofty]

Hexham Park is on tomorrow.

Myer was offered..

[WWFC25]

Myer was offered..

Yes for Sunday 😬 which with our track record anyone on here could tell you was never going to work.

If it was Myer Park tomorrow we would have been there with bells on. Sadly we will just have to wait for the big first grade clash.

[The Debt Collector]

Azzuri vs Swansea

1sts - Match abandoned 30 minutes in by referees due to the state of the pitch. Azzuri were up 2-0

Reserves and Thirds also postponed.

Just like Covid being man made and the Governments creating a New World Order there’s a new conspiracy theory in town.

Azzuri asked for 1st grade to be played first at 11am and Swansea obliged. Whilst the rest of their squads turned up in outfits sinking some tins for old boys day. Maybe it was an inside job and they already knew they’d call the games off after firsts…

P.S. Good to see Azzuri haven’t learned as a club with their first grade centreback calling a Swansea player another homophobic slur. Excellent work from the Azzuri Sea Eagles.

[Jim]

P.S. Good to see Azzuri haven’t learned as a club with their first grade centreback calling a Swansea player another homophobic slur. Excellent work from the Azzuri Sea Eagles.
yes. Slurs need to be stamped out for good, but Many? thats quite different

The ignorant Woke pride supporter/religion basher generalizing right and wrong about Sea oogles. Nah.
Acceptance and promotion are vey different things, I love kolas but not ever gunna waste a minute on wearing a save the Koalas shirt while kickin goals. Anyway ignore fair reason and forget about the NRL sookfest.

[HAFC_ZL]

Azzuri vs Swansea

1sts - Match abandoned 30 minutes in by referees due to the state of the pitch. Azzuri were up 2-0

Reserves and Thirds also postponed.

Just like Covid being man made and the Governments creating a New World Order there’s a new conspiracy theory in town.

Azzuri asked for 1st grade to be played first at 11am and Swansea obliged. Whilst the rest of their squads turned up in outfits sinking some tins for old boys day. Maybe it was an inside job and they already knew they’d call the games off after firsts…

P.S. Good to see Azzuri haven’t learned as a club with their first grade centreback calling a Swansea player another homophobic slur. Excellent work from the Azzuri Sea Eagles.

To be fair mate, and this is no dig at Cardiff if anything it’s a compliment to them and the referees getting games played, we played 3 games on Evans Park the other week in way worse condition.

Games should have continued. Referee didn’t want to be there from the start and was emotionally compromised by the sad passing of a member of the referee community.

P.S. good to see Swansea still haven’t dealt with a certain individual and allow him to strip up each week, even though he throws xenophobic and sexist slurs himself every time we’ve played them. Genuinely top shelf stuff from the club.

[jandysardine]

Azzuri vs Swansea

1sts - Match abandoned 30 minutes in by referees due to the state of the pitch. Azzuri were up 2-0

Reserves and Thirds also postponed.

Just like Covid being man made and the Governments creating a New World Order there’s a new conspiracy theory in town.

Azzuri asked for 1st grade to be played first at 11am and Swansea obliged. Whilst the rest of their squads turned up in outfits sinking some tins for old boys day. Maybe it was an inside job and they already knew they’d call the games off after firsts…

P.S. Good to see Azzuri haven’t learned as a club with their first grade centreback calling a Swansea player another homophobic slur. Excellent work from the Azzuri Sea Eagles.

Mate this post is about as good as Swansea's form this year - total rubbish.
Like it or not games need to be played and Azzurri tried everything possible to achieve that yesterday.
It was obvious the ref's weren't keen from the start. To call it off after 30 minutes as Swansea were setting up a free kick and the linesman starts waving his flag, calls the ref over and then he just blows the whistle. Why even start the game?

[WWFC25]

If Hexham Park was in such good condition ( way better than Cardiff the previous week as you claim, that had 3 grades played on it)

Why was the kickoff times changed around at all? Why not just business as usual?


Looking forward to see what Hexham looks like this coming Saturday 🤔

[HAFC_ZL]

If Hexham Park was in such good condition ( way better than Cardiff the previous week as you claim, that had 3 grades played on it)

Why was the kickoff times changed around at all? Why not just business as usual?


Looking forward to see what Hexham looks like this coming Saturday 🤔

Simply in order to give both clubs first grade teams the best of the pitch. NF had suggested to us previously that it is an option we should consider and we decided to act upon it, in conjunction with Swansea. I’m sure other clubs could also do the same if they so pleased.

Unusual yes, but not unprecedented and also nothing about this season has played out as per usual really.

Women’s games got played on Hexham Park today no dramas.

Games yesterday shouldn’t have been abandoned by ref.

[Jardelsimage]

If Hexham Park was in such good condition ( way better than Cardiff the previous week as you claim, that had 3 grades played on it)

Why was the kickoff times changed around at all? Why not just business as usual?


Looking forward to see what Hexham looks like this coming Saturday ��

I acknowledge you said no disrespect to Cardiff but.

we actually had 5 games at Cardiff the previous week, so please do not bring us into this discussion of comparing fields.

If your ground was better than ours, there is no way the game would have been called off and we played Friday night x 2 games and yesterday x 2 games again.

the easiest question is to Swansea, should the ground been called off by the refs????

[Jardelsimage]

Dudley v Cardiff

3rds 0--1
reg 1--0
1st 1--1

[terry]

Dudley v Cardiff

3rds 0--1
reg 1--0
1st 1--1

tight day

[Lofty]

Swansea v Suns catch ups this week.

Wednesday - first grade only
Thursday - ressies & thirds

[WWFC25]

Warners Bay vs Westlakes
Res 3-0
3rd 2-1

1st grade tomorrow 7pm

[AwayDay Views]

1sts
Warners Bay 6 V West Lakes 1

[Lofty]

Swansea v Suns
First grade 1-2

[jandysardine]

how good will Hexham be this week if we get. any decent rain

[The Hacker]

how good will Hexham be this week if we get. any decent rain

With 6 games in 14 days unless it’s a swimming pool I imagine they will have to play no matter what

[Buddha]

Heard it has been moved to Westlake.

[The Hacker]

Heard it has been moved to Westlake.

They might have to move all their home games

[WWFC25]

Heard it has been moved to Westlake.

Yeah it was moved to our ground earlier this afternoon

[The Hacker]

What games are on this weekend. I know Dudley has Swansea.

[mge61]

What games are on this weekend. I know Dudley has Swansea.

Westlakes v Azzurri is off

[Jardelsimage]

What games are on this weekend. I know Dudley has Swansea.

Cardiff v Mayfield is OFF

[The Hacker]

Azzurri and Cardiff are going to have a busy period with 6 and 5 games in a 12 or less day period

[jandysardine]

Azzurri and Cardiff are going to have a busy period with 6 and 5 games in a 12 or less day period

could be both their seasons gone

[mge61]

Any scores from Dudley v W Bay today.

[AwayDay Views]

I believe first grade got on on the original date. 3rds & Res on tomorrow

[mge61]

I believe first grade got on on the original date. 3rds & Res on tomorrow

My bad got the dates mixed up

[The Hacker]

I believe first grade got on on the original date. 3rds & Res on tomorrow

Dudley has Swansea tomorrow. I think the Suns have w/Bay in lower grades possibly

[Kicktheball]

Azzurri and Cardiff are going to have a busy period with 6 and 5 games in a 12 or less day period

Pretty silly from cardiff not getting their games on Saturday. Busy schedule ahead as a result

[The Hacker]

Dudley v Swansea
1st 6-0
Res 8-0
3rds 5-0

Got there half way through first grade and somehow Swansea didn’t concede but after the break it was like Dudley took it serious and put the foot down and slotted 6 in the half

Swansea have always been such a strong club in all grades it’s a shame to see them this way and hopefully they bounce straight back

[FairPlay2022]

Anyone know the rule in regards to first graders dropping down to play in a lower grades match on a seperate day?

I was under the impression that if a player started the first grade fixture they were than ineligible to start in the ressies match and at best had to come off the bench.

Apparently in the Warners Bay vs Newcastle Suns reserve grade catch-up game today I’ve heard the Suns had two players in the starting lineup who also started in the first grade fixture a couple of weeks earlier. One of them scoring the winner an absolute worldie from 30 yards out. This could have ramifications for several teams in the competition with both the minor premiership and top four race blown wide open.

Doesn’t seem fair if there is one rule for the Suns and another for all of the other teams competing. Hopefully I’ve misinterpreted this because im sure they wouldn’t do anything shady.

[The Hacker]

Anyone know the rule in regards to first graders dropping down to play in a lower grades match on a seperate day?

I was under the impression that if a player started the first grade fixture they were than ineligible to start in the ressies match and at best had to come off the bench.

Apparently in the Warners Bay vs Newcastle Suns reserve grade catch-up game today I’ve heard the Suns had two players in the starting lineup who also started in the first grade fixture a couple of weeks earlier. One of them scoring the winner an absolute worldie from 30 yards out. This could have ramifications for several teams in the competition with both the minor premiership and top four race blown wide open.

Doesn’t seem fair if there is one rule for the Suns and another for all of the other teams competing. Hopefully I’ve misinterpreted this because im sure they wouldn’t do anything shady.

Is it the same as someone starting third grade then starting Reserve grade. Just it rarely happens in first grade and reserve grade.
Also very rare that first grade play before reserve grade

[magician]

Is it the same as someone starting third grade then starting Reserve grade. Just it rarely happens in first grade and reserve grade.
Also very rare that first grade play before reserve grade

You can’t be serious? How is starting 3rd grade then reserve grade making your team stronger?

[FairPlay2022]

Theres no limit going up. You’re correct you can start 3rds, than ressies, than firsts if it’s in that order. However you can’t do it the other way around. I was under the impression that if the first grade fixture is played prior to any lower grades all starting players are ineligible for the lower grades (unless they start from the bench).

And that makes sense because it stops teams from stacking their lower grades something the Suns have seemingly chosen to ignore today.

[MisplacedPasses]

Typical of suns trying to recoup all that money they fork out for players 'wages'

[The Hacker]

Typical of suns trying to recoup all that money they fork out for players 'wages'

I’d say trying to cling on to a semi spot

[FairPlay2022]

Just had a look at the ZPL reserve grade table. Pretty tough on the likes of Mayfield, Cooks Hill & Cardiff who all would have been hoping for the front runners Warners Bay to win today to boost their own chances of getting a top 4 finish.

[oneeye]

Doesn’t that mean you back up 3rd graders ? Like everyone else

[FairPlay2022]

The right thing to do would be to follow the rules that are in place for the competition. You have injuries but so do many other clubs. How many times have Westlakes had to forfeit in 3rd grade this season? What gives you the right to start 2 first graders today while Warners Bay played by the rules? I bet they would have loved to bring a couple of their top players into the starting lineup. As far as I’m aware your club has cheated. Will be interesting to see what happens.

[Inside left]

Yeah first grade captains always play reserve grade when there are injuries 😂😂

[The Hacker]

Yeah first grade captains always play reserve grade when there are injuries 😂😂

I remember watching him playing a 3rd grade semi one year 😂😂

[Inside left]

Must have been a heap of injuries that year too

[oneeye]

He might of had too
Looking at 3rd grade table then the score today they probably needed some reserve graders in thirds to ensure points in semis race.

[Nou Camp]

We didn’t have many players available for the day plain and simple
Including 1 fully fit keeper out of 3 which happened to be the first grade keeper who played on the field in thirds then in goals for ressies
Third grade had a few 35s players needed to fill gaps and the reserve grade centre back who isn’t a keeper played in goals then played ressies
It’s easy to say everyone who played thirds can back up for ressies but they all played on Thursday night with more catch up game to go
The club hasn’t had a single training session since late June (not even joking) with wash outs and catch ups, I would’ve rather we didn’t require not one first grader and have them rested as they arnt playing anywhere near their ability at the moment

[FairPlay2022]

We didn’t have many players available for the day plain and simple
Including 1 fully fit keeper out of 3 which happened to be the first grade keeper who played on the field in thirds then in goals for ressies
Third grade had a few 35s players needed to fill gaps and the reserve grade centre back who isn’t a keeper played in goals then played ressies
It’s easy to say everyone who played thirds can back up for ressies but they all played on Thursday night with more catch up game to go
The club hasn’t had a single training session since late June (not even joking) with wash outs and catch ups, I would’ve rather we didn’t require not one first grader and have them rested as they arnt playing anywhere near their ability at the moment

You don’t get it mate. You still have to follow the rules like everyone else. Every club this season have had availability issues. You are nothing special in that department. If you couldn’t legally field a team then as unfortunate as it is you should have forfeited 3rd grade as teams like Westlakes have had to do several times this season. Instead you have played two ineligible players that have given you an unfair advantage over all the other teams around you who have been playing by the rules. I think people are quite right to be upset with your actions to be honest.

[Nou Camp]

You don’t get it mate. You still have to follow the rules like everyone else. Every club this season have had availability issues. You are nothing special in that department. If you couldn’t legally field a team then as unfortunate as it is you should have forfeited 3rd grade as teams like Westlakes have had to do several times this season. Instead you have played two ineligible players that have given you an unfair advantage over all the other teams around you who have been playing by the rules. I think people are quite right to be upset with your actions to be honest.

We clarified the rules after the same thing happened to us earlier in the year
But no one jumps up and down when other people do it

[Shere Khan]

Silly how?
Don’t you think Cardiff know the situation?
Ground was terrible. Puddles and very soft in the best areas.
It was also called off today.
Asked to delay kick off times. No.
Asked to change grounds yesterday and today. No.
Asked to swap round with Kotara but theyÂ’re ground is worse than ours we were told. No.
Nnsw Speers Pt as usual have no connection to the local football scene whatsoever. Numbties!
We are now fully booked weekends and midweek to seasons end plus one round.
Even called off Old Boys day two weeks ago.
Best day of the year for the club socially and financially.
Any more options?

[FairPlay2022]

We clarified the rules after the same thing happened to us earlier in the year
But no one jumps up and down when other people do it
So the rule about a first grader not being allowed to start a lower grade is false?

[MisplacedPasses]

In my opinion suns should be docked points.... Looking time coming tbh

[The Hacker]

Silly how?
Don’t you think Cardiff know the situation?
Ground was terrible. Puddles and very soft in the best areas.
It was also called off today.
Asked to delay kick off times. No.
Asked to change grounds yesterday and today. No.
Asked to swap round with Kotara but theyÂ’re ground is worse than ours we were told. No.
Nnsw Speers Pt as usual have no connection to the local football scene whatsoever. Numbties!
We are now fully booked weekends and midweek to seasons end plus one round.
Even called off Old Boys day two weeks ago.
Best day of the year for the club socially and financially.
Any more options?

Agree that was a silly comment. Every club moving heaven and earth to play. Why would you want a week of playing tue, thurs and Sat if you could avoid it.

[MisplacedPasses]

In my opinion suns should be docked points.

[MisplacedPasses]

In my opinion suns should be docked points..... Long time coming tbh!

[FairPlay2022]

In my opinion suns should be docked points..... Long time coming tbh!
If it is proven they have played an ineligible player which judging by the responses of some Suns posters seems quite likely than yes surely they will have to be docked points. Can imagine there will be 4-5 other clubs issuing a ‘please explain’ if no action is taken by the competition administrators and rightfully so.

[The Hacker]

If it is proven they have played an ineligible player which judging by the responses of some Suns posters seems quite likely than yes surely they will have to be docked points. Can imagine there will be 4-5 other clubs issuing a ‘please explain’ if no action is taken by the competition administrators and rightfully so.

If they have broken the rules then yes dock them point and if it’s not braking the rule well they can’t lose points but we all can see they aren’t playing in the spirit of the rule

[Kicktheball]

If they have broken the rules then yes dock them point and if it’s not braking the rule well they can’t lose points but we all can see they aren’t playing in the spirit of the rule

They have clearly broken the rules and it’s amusing how the first grader apparently scored the winner. They have just ruined any chances of making the finals..

[gtg]

gotta love whenever people from a certain club come on here to complain about how special they are for having not trained or having multiple players out. Newsflash: nearly everyone is in the same boat across most zone league competitions at the moment.

Even funnier when the narrative shifts from having no players available to being able to drop one of the best goal scorers in the comp down to play a reserve grade match.

“It’s ok when we do it” right?

[FairPlay2022]

So by my understanding of the rules Suns could have started the game with 9 players on the field (or just gotten two 3rds lads to back up). And once the match kicked off put the ball out of play and then bring the two first graders into the game as substitutes. (Actually they did do this with one of the leading goal scorers in ZPL first grade being brought on after 10 minutes). If they repeated this shady but legal tactic with the other two first graders than they wouldn’t have broken any rules. Sounds to me like they just got arrogant and thought they could get away with it.

I’ve noticed the regular Suns posters have gone eerily quiet as well. Looks like Lofty even deleted one of his posts!

[Nou Camp]

gotta love whenever people from a certain club come on here to complain about how special they are for having not trained or having multiple players out. Newsflash: nearly everyone is in the same boat across most zone league competitions at the moment.

Even funnier when the narrative shifts from having no players available to being able to drop one of the best goal scorers in the comp down to play a reserve grade match.

“It’s ok when we do it” right?

Completely skipped over the part where I said it happened to us this year
He’s not even in the top 3 goalscorers at the club let alone the competition
When we played warners bay at home they played their top goal scorer in ressies and first grade over different days

Maybe they shouldn’t have called their ressies and thirds off because they had players at splendour.

Call ZPL off on the Sunday but play WNPL on Saturday night with less time for drainage to work

[Nou Camp]

So by my understanding of the rules Suns could have started the game with 9 players on the field (or just gotten two 3rds lads to back up). And once the match kicked off put the ball out of play and then bring the two first graders into the game as substitutes. (Actually they did do this with one of the leading goal scorers in ZPL first grade being brought on after 10 minutes). If they repeated this shady but legal tactic with the other two first graders than they wouldn’t have broken any rules. Sounds to me like they just got arrogant and thought they could get away with it.

I’ve noticed the regular Suns posters have gone eerily quiet as well. Looks like Lofty even deleted one of his posts!

He’s away on holidays but I’m sure he’ll come back to you when he can

[WeekendWarrior]

So by my understanding of the rules Suns could have started the game with 9 players on the field (or just gotten two 3rds lads to back up). And once the match kicked off put the ball out of play and then bring the two first graders into the game as substitutes. (Actually they did do this with one of the leading goal scorers in ZPL first grade being brought on after 10 minutes). If they repeated this shady but legal tactic with the other two first graders than they wouldn’t have broken any rules. Sounds to me like they just got arrogant and thought they could get away with it.

I’ve noticed the regular Suns posters have gone eerily quiet as well. Looks like Lofty even deleted one of his posts!

Yeah seen this tactic enough in my time. Especially when it comes to finals, seen a few clubs in ZPL do awfully early substitutions in lower grades when their first grade haven't gone the distance.

[BlackPanther]

Completely skipped over the part where I said it happened to us this year
He’s not even in the top 3 goalscorers at the club let alone the competition
When we played warners bay at home they played their top goal scorer in ressies and first grade over different days

Maybe they shouldn’t have called their ressies and thirds off because they had players at splendour.

Call ZPL off on the Sunday but play WNPL on Saturday night with less time for drainage to work

Just want to clarify with facts yes a 1st grade player did play the Tuesday night catch up game as he was unavailable the following night there for a ressies player filled that void and didn’t play Tuesday the 1st grade player then has NOT been involved in either 1st grade fixture nor yesterday’s game (even though he technically was allowed)
With the ressies player your talking about played ressies yes then backed up the following night as arguably our best player came down with Covid on game day so played 2 games in 2 nights which probably was an advantage to you guys (with what score ended up I’d say it was)
With the grounds being called off I’m not even going to engage in arguing if they were good enough or not we made a judgment call that if lower grades played 1st grade might not have gotten on
Your comment about splendor doesn’t make sense as it was 4 1st graders that were away for it so would have suited us better to call 1st off but we didn’t so 4 ressies stepped up and played and in turn were ineligible to play yesterday
(That’s what we thought the rules were)

[Kingofthemiddle]

From what I witnessed suns are in a world of hurt and won’t make finals.they were outplayed and if it wasn’t for poor finishing from w/bay would of been dusted early and no amount of top grades would of helped them.
A good old saying that a cheetah never changes its spots???

[The Hacker]

Any midweek games this week. Surely Azzurri and Cardiff do

[Buddha]

Azzurri Res & 1sts playing The Bay tonight

[The Hacker]

Azzurri Res & 1sts playing The Bay tonight

Big game. Mayfield and Dudley play in 1sts

[Jardelsimage]

Any midweek games this week. Surely Azzurri and Cardiff do

Playing Kotara tonight and tomorrow

[The Hacker]

Playing Kotara tonight and tomorrow

Which grades tonight

[Shere Khan]

1st

[The Hacker]

Dudley 3-0 over Mayfield in 1st

[FairPlay2022]

Warners Bay vs Azzurri
1st 3-0
Ressies 2-0

Also a few murmurs at John Street tonight that the Newcastle Suns have officially been found guilty of breaching the competition rules by playing an ineligible player in Sundays reserve grade fixture against Warners Bay. WB have now been credited with a 3-0 win.

I’ve heard nothing concrete though. Maybe one of the Suns posters can confirm?

[Jardelsimage]

Which grades tonight

Only 1st and down 5-2....they just wanted it more than us....

[Jardelsimage]

Warners Bay vs Azzurri
1st 3-0
Ressies 2-0

Also a few murmurs at John Street tonight that the Newcastle Suns have officially been found guilty of breaching the competition rules by playing an ineligible player in Sundays reserve grade fixture against Warners Bay. WB have now been credited with a 3-0 win.

I’ve heard nothing concrete though. Maybe one of the Suns posters can confirm?

table and results still show a Suns win....

[BuzzRothfield]

Disappointing decision to cancel the first leg of the semis

[The Hacker]

Disappointing decision to cancel the first leg of the semis

They could of waited till next week to see if it was needed now they have changed the finals and it looks like the top 4 is cemented after last night so all those teams will have a week off so 5th and 6th can catch up. The top 4 clubs should all get together snd push the federation to go back to 2 legs

[Zonal Marking]

table and results still show a Suns win....

Just had a quick glance at the table and you’re right it still says they won. I found out today though from someone in the know and they said Newy Suns have definitely been docked 3 points for playing an ineligible first grader last weekend. I hope it was an honest mistake otherwise that’s pretty ordinary from them.

Good news for our guys though! We might still be able to sneak into the finals in the reserve grade comp. Hopefully seen the last of this bloody rain and we can play some footy to end this frustrating season.

[WWFC25]

Just had a quick glance at the table and you’re right it still says they won. I found out today though from someone in the know and they said Newy Suns have definitely been docked 3 points for playing an ineligible first grader last weekend. I hope it was an honest mistake otherwise that’s pretty ordinary from them.

Good news for our guys though! We might still be able to sneak into the finals in the reserve grade comp. Hopefully seen the last of this bloody rain and we can play some footy to end this frustrating season.

Funny since I was told by a key member of their committee that it was currently being dealt with by Newcastle Football and a decision was yet to come…… amazing how much drama one little player is bringing to the competition.

That borrowed player rule and who you can use to make an entire team and starting vs bench player is so convoluted and vague that many teams actually mess it up. Of course nobody notices when that team loses, they only notice when someone scores an important goal.


Anyway moving forward….. where is everyone with catch-ups? Over at the Cats we have 2 catch-ups and the normal round left.

[Zonal Marking]

Funny since I was told by a key member of their committee that it was currently being dealt with by Newcastle Football and a decision was yet to come…… amazing how much drama one little player is bringing to the competition.

That borrowed player rule and who you can use to make an entire team and starting vs bench player is so convoluted and vague that many teams actually mess it up. Of course nobody notices when that team loses, they only notice when someone scores an important goal.


Anyway moving forward….. where is everyone with catch-ups? Over at the Cats we have 2 catch-ups and the normal round left.

I think your information is outdated bud. They have definitely been found guilty of breaching the rules and stripped of their points. If your club was in the running for finals footy you might be a little bit more invested in the ‘drama’ even more so if it was your team who missed out the finals by 1 or 2 points.

Convoluted? It’s actually quite simple if you start a bloke in firsts don’t start them in one of the lower grades. Seems pretty basic to me. I’m happy to give Suns benefit of the doubt I’m sure it was just a judgement error but I also see why they had to be punished. The right call and decision has definitely been made though.

I know Cardiff have got Swansea this weekend and Azzurri midweek. I’m sure there are quite a few more midweek fixtures though. Like I said in my earlier post I just hope we actually get these games played.

[Buddha]

Rumours of Azzurri & Westlakes having a catch up game on Sunday?

[Kicktheball]

Kotara v Cardiff
3rds 0-4
2nds 1-4

Cardiff wanted it more

[Goatscheese]

Just had a quick glance at the table and you’re right it still says they won. I found out today though from someone in the know and they said Newy Suns have definitely been docked 3 points for playing an ineligible first grader last weekend. I hope it was an honest mistake otherwise that’s pretty ordinary from them.

Good news for our guys though! We might still be able to sneak into the finals in the reserve grade comp. Hopefully seen the last of this bloody rain and we can play some footy to end this frustrating season.

The ladder still has them at 34 points, which matches the 11 wins and 1 draw. And no game is showing as a forfeit.

[MisplacedPasses]

The ladder still has them at 34 points, which matches the 11 wins and 1 draw. And no game is showing as a forfeit.

If only there were some members of the forum who could clear this up for everyone. Lofty and Nou Camp are awefully quiet at the moment???

I remember not too long ago there were posts about suns being one of the most well behaved clubs in the competition, I beg to differ :rof:

[The Hacker]

Rumours of Azzurri & Westlakes having a catch up game on Sunday?

Are Azzurri playing Saturday also

[FlatScreen]

Well, my predictions we're a bit of a stinker. Cooks Hill certainly had massive improvement though!

Can anyone explain how and why Azzurri has been allowed to get away with playing 12 games when everyone else has played a minimum of 14?

Although this is semi-rhetorical, seriously HOW?! How has everyone else got it done?

[Zonal Marking]

Well, my predictions we're a bit of a stinker. Cooks Hill certainly had massive improvement though!

Can anyone explain how and why Azzurri has been allowed to get away with playing 12 games when everyone else has played a minimum of 14?

Although this is semi-rhetorical, seriously HOW?! How has everyone else got it done?

Everyone else doesn’t play at Hexham park would be the most likely answer

[Zonal Marking]

If only there were some members of the forum who could clear this up for everyone. Lofty and Nou Camp are awefully quiet at the moment???

I remember not too long ago there were posts about suns being one of the most well behaved clubs in the competition, I beg to differ :rof:

Solid wins for Cardiff in both Thirds and Reserves last night. Puts ressies right back in with a shot at the top 4. We would also like to know if we can expect the table to be updated soon?

[The Hacker]

Well, my predictions we're a bit of a stinker. Cooks Hill certainly had massive improvement though!

Can anyone explain how and why Azzurri has been allowed to get away with playing 12 games when everyone else has played a minimum of 14?

Although this is semi-rhetorical, seriously HOW?! How has everyone else got it done?

Now the semis are 1 leg cause they couldn’t get a game on. Worst part is they will likely miss them in first so the teams that made effort got on and won now get punished

[Buddha]

Well, my predictions we're a bit of a stinker. Cooks Hill certainly had massive improvement though!

Can anyone explain how and why Azzurri has been allowed to get away with playing 12 games when everyone else has played a minimum of 14?

Although this is semi-rhetorical, seriously HOW?! How has everyone else got it done?
Because the other teams dont play at Hexham Park. Pretty simple answer.

[Buddha]

Are Azzurri playing Saturday also

Yes. Against Cooks Hill

Res & Firsts at Fearnley-Dawes 10.45 & 12.45, 3rds at No.6 3pm

[mge61]

Well, my predictions we're a bit of a stinker. Cooks Hill certainly had massive improvement though!

Can anyone explain how and why Azzurri has been allowed to get away with playing 12 games when everyone else has played a minimum of 14?


Although this is semi-rhetorical, seriously HOW?! How has everyone else got it done?

Wouldn’t imagine they’re getting away with anything by having to try and play 6 matches in two weeks. If it was their plan it’s a pretty dumb one.

[The Hacker]

Yes. Against Cooks Hill

Res & Firsts at Fearnley-Dawes 10.45 & 12.45, 3rds at No.6 3pm

So who does that leave them with the following week

[Jardelsimage]

So who does that leave them with the following week

sorry westlakes sunday?????cardiff at Evans midweek, then mayfield, then swansea to finish off.

[Buddha]

sorry westlakes sunday?????cardiff at Evans midweek, then mayfield, then swansea to finish off.

Sounds like that is the plan. Can see a few injuries coming up. I might have to come out of retirement

[The Hacker]

sorry westlakes sunday?????cardiff at Evans midweek, then mayfield, then swansea to finish off.

So everyone could be wrapped up by next weekend and then we all have a week off before a 1 leg semi. the federation jumped the gun here. Hopefully common sense prevails snd they reverse the decision back in ZPL at least. It’s easy to do as semis are organized on a Monday after the last round so not like they need months to plan
I get other divisions might struggle to get games in by why punish ZPL is ZL1 or ZL2 still have outstanding games.

[Jardelsimage]

So everyone could be wrapped up by next weekend and then we all have a week off before a 1 leg semi. the federation jumped the gun here. Hopefully common sense prevails snd they reverse the decision back in ZPL at least. It’s easy to do as semis are organized on a Monday after the last round so not like they need months to plan
I get other divisions might struggle to get games in by why punish ZPL is ZL1 or ZL2 still have outstanding games.

ZL1 is a shambles, most teams are worse off than Azzurri, ZL2 & ZL3 are ok.

We have Mayfield that additional weekend also, just letting you all know, that its not all Azzurri's fault either.

We were planned to play this Sat v Swansea, Mon/Tues v Mayfield, Wed/Thu v azzurri and finish off with Westlakes Sat.
That was the plan before they changed it, so it really involves 4 teams not just Azzurri.

[FlatScreen]

Everyone else doesn’t play at Hexham park would be the most likely answer

So it's just hands-on heads and make everyone else wait? Seems ridiculous to me. But by the looks of things here currently, it fits right in!

[The Hacker]

ZL1 is a shambles, most teams are worse off than Azzurri, ZL2 & ZL3 are ok.

We have Mayfield that additional weekend also, just letting you all know, that its not all Azzurri's fault either.

We were planned to play this Sat v Swansea, Mon/Tues v Mayfield, Wed/Thu v azzurri and finish off with Westlakes Sat.
That was the plan before they changed it, so it really involves 4 teams not just Azzurri.

Why not stick with that plan and we all have 2 leg semis. Cardiff 1st are long odds after the Kotara loss so it’s really Reggies and thirds that it’s can effect

[Jardelsimage]

Why not stick with that plan and we all have 2 leg semis. Cardiff 1st are long odds after the Kotara loss so it’s really Reggies and thirds that it’s can effect

we didn't ask for it, but when they made decision we were still tracking ok and changed it as soon as they did, no-one in their right mind would stick to that plan if you could avoid it.

Anyways its ok to for all to point and blame and suggest things should have been different, but take a walk in Azzurrri's shoes currently because if it was your club you would be welcoming the changes with open arms, i still cant see how they will do this physically anyway and come out the other side, with fit players and the dreaded quals all intact.
Last one on this though is, if games are set they should be played regardless of how the result affects the table, as this will make it an even bigger mockery than it is now.


Merewether have 8 games to catch up in ZL1.

[Buddha]

There has been an unprecedented amount of rain this year, certainly i have never seen such a wet year in my life. There's not much clubs can do apart from pray for less rain. It's not an ideal situation for anybody involved.

[mge61]

Bear in mind two weeks ago Azzurri were playing Swansea and had A grade first to get best use of the field. 30 minutes played and the ref calls it off. Hardly Azzurri’s fault. Last week v Westlakes they arranged to a field swap and Rathmines was washed out. 2 games out of their control and there would have been 4 catch ups not 6. Twelve games in and they have had 2 home games. Shit field it is what it is. Unprecedented season.

[The Hacker]

Bear in mind two weeks ago Azzurri were playing Swansea and had A grade first to get best use of the field. 30 minutes played and the ref calls it off. Hardly Azzurri’s fault. Last week v Westlakes they arranged to a field swap and Rathmines was washed out. 2 games out of their control and there would have been 4 catch ups not 6. Twelve games in and they have had 2 home games. Shit field it is what it is. Unprecedented season.

Or the washouts from earlier in the year try to get played earlier instead of planning them for the spare weekend hoping it wasn’t going to rain again

[Buddha]

Or the washouts from earlier in the year try to get played earlier instead of planning them for the spare weekend hoping it wasn’t going to rain again
Except you try and organise it during the week but Tarro booked out because Hexham still not in good enough condition. Plus away games not in the club's control. Easy to point the finger and say "should have done this" when the club is attempting to explore avenues to get games played.

[WWFC25]

ZL1 is a shambles, most teams are worse off than Azzurri, ZL2 & ZL3 are ok.

We have Mayfield that additional weekend also, just letting you all know, that its not all Azzurri's fault either.

We were planned to play this Sat v Swansea, Mon/Tues v Mayfield, Wed/Thu v azzurri and finish off with Westlakes Sat.
That was the plan before they changed it, so it really involves 4 teams not just Azzurri.

We have our Westlakes vs Suns catch-up on that extra weekend instead of midweek next week now.

[Jardelsimage]

Could we have all done better earlier on getting games organized, YES
Could the associations have done better, YES
Could the councils do better, YES
Could clubs try and fix there grounds so it doesn't happen again without a grant, NO, (Drainage is around 90K alone i think.)

Could we tweak the system that if a game is called out, there is always a ground swap option on that day. YES (this would also fix the call that a team had players out, injured, splendour etc, so didn't want to play the game, so we just called it off because it's wet)
Should the associations give us a bit more flexability, F*#K YES

We moved into Evans last year, i cant count how many grant applications our treasurer has done, from the little 2-3K ones to 200k plus, add this to all the ones we have done over the years before, wish i had a dollar for everyone.
Time consuming for generally no result.

All up folks, clubs do there best most times, so how about we stop carrying on and blaming others, start working together to either fix or make a system that works better than it does currently for next year.

cheers

[The Hacker]

Could we tweak the system that if a game is called out, there is always a ground swap option on that day. YES (this would also fix the call that a team had players out, injured, splendour etc, so didn't want to play the game, so we just called it off because it's wet)
cheers

I like this idea

[Macca]

I like this idea

Not a bad idea, can be difficult though. I think our ground is often full of juniors games on our away games, so wouldn't be available at times for a ground swap. I'm sure other clubs would have similar situations.

[WWFC25]

Could we have all done better earlier on getting games organized, YES
Could the associations have done better, YES
Could the councils do better, YES
Could clubs try and fix there grounds so it doesn't happen again without a grant, NO, (Drainage is around 90K alone i think.)

Could we tweak the system that if a game is called out, there is always a ground swap option on that day. YES (this would also fix the call that a team had players out, injured, splendour etc, so didn't want to play the game, so we just called it off because it's wet)
Should the associations give us a bit more flexability, F*#K YES

We moved into Evans last year, i cant count how many grant applications our treasurer has done, from the little 2-3K ones to 200k plus, add this to all the ones we have done over the years before, wish i had a dollar for everyone.
Time consuming for generally no result.

All up folks, clubs do there best most times, so how about we stop carrying on and blaming others, start working together to either fix or make a system that works better than it does currently for next year.

cheers


It took us over a decade of chasing grants and sponsorship and anywhere else we could get funds in order to get the $$$$$ to fix the drainage issues we had (and that was only on 1 of our 2 grounds).

Since then we have been a bit luckier in gaining grants allowing us to build our grandstand and electronic scoreboard.

But applying and monitoring these grants are a massive slog to the point we were paying someone to continually apply and monitor all the grants he could and without him we never would have got 75% of the ones we did.

So it isn’t easy at all to simply fix the drainage but I highly recommend getting someone in place to continually chase grants because it really benefits you in the long run.

[Kicktheball]

Why are the suns still on 25 points in ressies? Hasn’t this been confirmed as a loss? Lots of finals implications if this does not get resolved

[The Hacker]

Why are the suns still on 25 points in ressies? Hasn’t this been confirmed as a loss? Lots of finals implications if this does not get resolved

Maybe the federation didn’t see it as breaking the rules

[MurderOnZidanesFloor]

Why are the suns still on 25 points in ressies? Hasn’t this been confirmed as a loss? Lots of finals implications if this does not get resolved

It is pretty average on Suns behalf. Teams are going to exploit grey areas where they can. Morally not the right thing to do. There will be some unhappy teams if they sneak in to semi final football.

[Zonal Marking]

If the Suns forum posters cleared this up we could all move on but Lofty &Nou Camp have inconveniently disappeared. As it stands WBay vs Dudley in reserve grade tomorrow is a minor premiership decider!

[Lofty]

I’ve been trying so hard to enjoy a holiday. I can’t believe out of everyone, you peanuts are the ones who missed me the most.

I’ll keep it as short and sweet as possible and will start with the rules.


Ruling change for Players being Utilised / ‘Borrowed’ up a Grade – ( 3rd to Res) (Res to 1st)

Players listed in the Starting Eleven from the previous match (that round) 3rds and Res’s; will have the ‘Borrowed Player Rule E47’ applied when moving up grades.
Four Borrowed Players are permitted from 3rd to Res, from Res to 1st; and must start on the bench (unless the team (Res / 1st ) is short of a starting Eleven.
Borrowed Players must be identified on the Team Sheet as being borrowed from the grade below. (B)

Last Sunday, we did not have enough players to have two fresh starting elevens. Our third grade team featured over 35s.
Our reserve grade team had 8 fresh starters. Our ressies CB filled in keeper for thirds as we only had one keeper available who played in goals in ressies along with playing on the field in thirds due to our player shortage.
We had therefor used 2 starters from third grade backed up in ressies and then two further third graders on the bench and two additional players who played in the first grade fixture.
Now unless you guys are reading the rules in a different language. It clearly states that you cannot start in two starting elevens in a regular round fixture, UNLESS YOU ARE SHORT OF A STARTING ELEVEN.

So I’m not sure what was expected of us. Should we have stated with 8 players, kicked the ball out and brought on players? Should have have asked warners bay if we could borrow a couple of their players? Or maybe just some ransoms from the crowd?

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realise that maybe, just maybe the reason why the Suns results have been all over the place as of late. I’ll give you a hint, we have a heavily injury depleted squad.

Don’t get me wrong, I can see exactly why Warners Bay put in an appeal for the result. Without knowing the facts, I’m sure there were questions to be raised. But we had no alternate option. We had over 35s playing in third grade backing up from two nights earlier. We had on field players playing in goal. We had keepers on the field. It was a shit show trying to put a team together.
The fact that the thirds and ressies games were not played prior to first grade as scheduled was a joke in itself. We were told that there would be a field inspection in the morning to determine early grades. We had no correspondence from Warners Bay until we contacted them around 9am. Little did we know that they had already posted on their Facebook page at 7am that the games were off.
However, that day there were games from 10am onwards on the next field, all day. Splendour weekend? How convenient..

So now we are left in a situation where the games are being played in a mixed order, we have an injury hit squad, we do our best to back up after the backlog of games (understand all clubs in the same boat) yet, with the rules clearly stating that players can start two grades when short, we are being penalised for it. WHAT WAS THE ALTERANTIVE?!

You can hate the Suns all you like. But any educated persons after seeing the facts, seeing the rules, you cannot say that we have broken any rules.
There are multiple clubs that have been in the exact situation that we have and have had players start in multiple grades, yet there has been no penalty enforced.

It’s actually embarrassing the number of people who have not only come onto this forum to have a whinge and moan, but also create new accounts to do this.

Now we are in the same situation tomorrow against Mayfield (you’re welcome, here’s the heads up). So what do we do, shall we just forfeit third grade? Shall we double up players and hope Mayfield don’t complain?
I don’t have any answers, but it seems all you guys do.

Further to this, Warners Bay openly admitted that in our first round fixture, one of their players not only started in both first grade and reserve grade. He scored in both games and started the game while having a fresh player on the bench.

So not only are the Suns well within the rules in the most recent game, but we have been absolutely done by what Warners Bay have claimed against us.
I’ll be happy to provide team sheets to any person that wants to investigate further. It’s all there in black and white.

Sorry for not keeping it short and sweet.

[mge61]

Good response Lofty. Put it to bed. What’s that old saying about glass houses and throwing stones.

[The Hacker]

Further to this, Warners Bay openly admitted that in our first round fixture, one of their players not only started in both first grade and reserve grade. He scored in both games and started the game while having a fresh player on the bench.

So not only are the Suns well within the rules in the most recent game, but we have been absolutely done by what Warners Bay have claimed against us.
I’ll be happy to provide team sheets to any person that wants to investigate further. It’s all there in black and white.

.

Excellent post to explain the situation at the Suns. If that’s the case I have no problem not your fault the game order. What is more disturbing is Warner’s Bay did the same thing but with fresh players so do they lose the 3 points from beating the Suns in the first round. Keyboard warriors go

[Lofty]

The worst part is that despite all of this information which was given to the federation with all points along with team sheets (for both fixtures against WB home and away). They have ruled that we breached the rules and the points will be going to WB. Now I have no idea how they came to this decision despite the rules being very clear and our evidence.
The email to us after we gave all of this took two full business days to decide, it was then sent right on close of business finished with “I am now on leave and cannot be reached”.
During the week we had every call of ours to them ignored. We were refused to be spoken to.

Secondly, they said the other fixtures will not be reversed to us because they said too much time has passed.
Well let me tell you, that’s not in the rules anywhere! They’ve literally made that rule up to suit the agenda!

We, the Suns following all of this sent an email to all ZPL clubs to find support in the matter. The only club the replied was Warners Bay, standing by their complaint on us (despite said evidence). And then - admitted to what I mentioned in the earlier point. A full admission of guilt.

I don’t know if all clubs have seen the email or not. And if any club would like the information formally sent to them with the team sheets and all the facts, please email newcastlesuns@live.com

This is something that’s probably not done very often, but for the integrity of the competition and the Zone Football panel, we have asked all clubs to either support us on this matter. Whether you agree with us or not, I think it’s fair that all clubs are aware and have their say.
The federation with their refute to speak and unbiased ruling gave us no option but to go public with this.

[Two tone]

Back in the day, now I’m saying many years ago. If you didn’t sign the back of the team sheet (on the day). It had a place for a dispute, be it cards, results or ineligible player and you didn’t sign. It was your fault and you had no appeal.
Now I haven’t seen a team sheet in years so don’t have a go at me.

[Lofty]

Back in the day, now I’m saying many years ago. If you didn’t sign the back of the team sheet (on the day). It had a place for a dispute, be it cards, results or ineligible player and you didn’t sign. It was your fault and you had no appeal.
Now I haven’t seen a team sheet in years so don’t have a go at me.

Mate, we just want the decision to penalise us despite being within the rules to be overturned.

We know the old fixture won’t be changed. I’m just highlighting the arrogance of Warners Bay to up hold their complaint and admit they did it, despite a fresh player available on the bench, all in the one email.

It’s hypocrisy and bias at its absolute finest.

We have nothing to hide. We are an open book with this whole situation.

[Raymond019]

Doesn't rule E47 talk about borrowed players playing up a grade, not players playing down a grade or am I reading it wrong.

[Lofty]

Doesn't rule E47 talk about borrowed players playing up a grade, not players playing down a grade or am I reading it wrong.

It uses the assumption that fixtures are played; thirds > reserves > firsts.
Irrespective. No player belongs to a grade until finals.
The fact the games were played in a different order doesn’t change anything. Players that started third grade had to start reserve grade also. Players that started reserve grade had to start first grade also. This was in order to full fill a starting eleven.
I’m not sure it can be spelled out any clearer.

You can’t penalise a club for having injured players and having to play a singular fixture weeks apart.

[jim wallis]

We had on field players playing in goal. We had keepers on the field.

Just wondering if you could have swapped these guys into correct position.

Also, do we have any confidence that the fed will make the correct decision?

[Lofty]

Just wondering if you could have swapped these guys into correct position.

Also, do we have any confidence that the fed will make the correct decision?

Doing so would have meant that one of those would be playing two full games on the field. This way allowed them each to have a game on the field and one in goals. Much easier to get through for the boys who had played two nights earlier.

To be honest, unless other clubs are prepared to voice their opinion, I doubt it.

[Lofty]

Warners Bay finishing their team song with “**** the Suns” just confirms the classless club that they are. Embarrassing to say the least.
Hahahaha absolute losers.

[FairPlay2022]

Sounds like someone is a bit rattled 😂

[FairPlay2022]

Warners Bay finishing their team song with “**** the Suns” just confirms the classless club that they are. Embarrassing to say the least.
Hahahaha absolute losers.

Sounds like someone is a bit rattled 😂

[FairPlay2022]

Ok I’ve been trying to avoid this thread but obviously a few things need to be cleared up. Firstly Lofty is talking an absolute load of waffle he’s actually embarrassed himself with some of the comments he has come out with.

The main rule in question here is simple. If your first grade fixture is played BEFORE the reserve grade fixture you CAN NOT start any player who was in the first grade starting lineup. The suns broke this rule by putting their first grade captain who STARTED in the first grade fixture into the reserve grade starting line up. Now remember it was a game the Suns needed to win to make the semi finals.

By illegally winning that game not only did you almost cost Warners bay a minor premiership you also had an unfair advantage at trying to grab a top 4 spot over the likes of Cooks Hill, Mayfield & Cardiff and that is why none of the clubs have come to your aid.

How about you try and retain a bit of integrity for your club lofty. Put your hand up admit you did the wrong thing and then we can all move on. Instead you’ve done the opposite and tried to make excuses that honestly are just making you look like a daft fool.

Ps congrats to Warners Bay reserve grade on wrapping up the minor premiership. Well deserved 👏🏼

[The Hacker]

Ok I’ve been trying to avoid this thread but obviously a few things need to be cleared up. Firstly Lofty is talking an absolute load of waffle he’s actually embarrassed himself with some of the comments he has come out with.

The main rule in question here is simple. If your first grade fixture is played BEFORE the reserve grade fixture you CAN’T start any player who was in the first grade starting lineup. The suns broke this rule by putting their first grade captain who STARTED in the first grade fixture into the reserve grade starting line up. Now remember it was a game the Suns needed to win to make the semi finals.

By illegally winning that game not only did you almost cost Warners bay a minor premiership you also had an unfair advantage at trying to grab a top 4 spot over the likes of Cooks Hill, Mayfield & Cardiff and that is why none of the clubs have come to your aid.

How about you try and retain a bit of integrity for your club lofty. Put your hand up admit you did the wrong thing and then we can all move on. Instead you’ve done the opposite and tried to make excuses that honestly are just making you look like a daft fool.

Ps congrats to Warners Bay reserve grade on wrapping up the minor premiership. Well deserved 👏🏼

What were the other results Vs Dudley

[Lofty]

Ok I’ve been trying to avoid this thread but obviously a few things need to be cleared up. Firstly Lofty is talking an absolute load of waffle he’s actually embarrassed himself with some of the comments he has come out with.

The main rule in question here is simple. If your first grade fixture is played BEFORE the reserve grade fixture you CAN’T start any player who was in the first grade starting lineup. The suns broke this rule by putting their first grade captain who STARTED in the first grade fixture into the reserve grade starting line up. Now remember it was a game the Suns needed to win to make the semi finals.

By illegally winning that game not only did you almost cost Warners bay a minor premiership you also had an unfair advantage at trying to grab a top 4 spot over the likes of Cooks Hill, Mayfield & Cardiff and that is why none of the clubs have come to your aid.

How about you try and retain a bit of integrity for your club lofty. Put your hand up admit you did the wrong thing and then we can all move on. Instead you’ve done the opposite and tried to make excuses that honestly are just making you look like a daft fool.

Ps congrats to Warners Bay reserve grade on wrapping up the minor premiership. Well deserved ����

You are literally making up rules to suit. I pulled the rules on and they are in this thread.

Show me this rule you speak of?

Zero embarrassment on my end. I’m fully aware of the rules. Take the time to read them. Educate yourself.

[FairPlay2022]

I have read the rules and I know that if the first grade fixture is played FiRST than any one who started in that match CANNOT start in the reserve grade fixture at a later date. It’s so simple and you blew it and you have rightfully been docked 3 points. Stop playing the victim. Apologise for bringing the integrity of the competition into question and than we can all move on and enjoy the season.

[Lofty]

I have read the rules and I know that if the first grade fixture is played FiRST than any one who started in that match CANNOT start in the reserve grade fixture at a later date. It’s so simple and you blew it and you have rightfully been docked 3 points. Stop playing the victim. Apologise for bringing a the integrity of the competition into question and than we can all move on and enjoy the season.

You find this rule that you’re talking about and I’ll put my hand up.

I’ve posted the extraction of the rules. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

[FairPlay2022]

So basically you’re saying Newcastle Football have stripped you of 3 points for no reason?? Yet I’m the one who has no idea what he is talking about. Should both clubs have just put out their first grade squads that day? According to you that would have been ok 🤦🏻*♂️

[mge61]

Meanwhile back on the field Cookers v Azzurri
3rds 3-1
Res 2-3
1sts 1-2

[Zonal Marking]

Excellent post to explain the situation at the Suns. If that’s the case I have no problem not your fault the game order. What is more disturbing is Warner’s Bay did the same thing but with fresh players so do they lose the 3 points from beating the Suns in the first round. Keyboard warriors go

This might be unpopular but I’m just gonna come out and say it. In my opinion the Newcastle Suns are the dodgiest club in town.

[Lofty]

It’s quite simple lads. I posted the rules in here, as long as you can read, you can’t get it wrong.

You keep bringing up this mysterious rule. I’ll be the first one to accept it if you can pop it in here. Until then, all you are doing is dribbling. Surely I’m not asking anything to difficult?

Our boys played today doubling up again between geades. We simply don’t have enough players to have fresh teams. What is the alternate option? Play with 7, 8, 9 players??

[Raymond019]

If Newcastle Football have docked you points you must have done something wrong. Accept it and move on.

[FairPlay2022]

It’s quite simple lads. I posted the rules in here, as long as you can read, you can’t get it wrong.

You keep bringing up this mysterious rule. I’ll be the first one to accept it if you can pop it in here. Until then, all you are doing is dribbling. Surely I’m not asking anything to difficult?

Our boys played today doubling up again between geades. We simply don’t have enough players to have fresh teams. What is the alternate option? Play with 7, 8, 9 players??

It’s unfortunate but if you can’t field a team you forfeit. As clubs like Westlakes have had to do this season.

You keep calling it a mysterious rule yet Warners Bay were aware of it and that is why they didn’t start any players who started the first grade fixture. And Newcastle football have correctly punished you for breaking it. So yes it DOES exist. The ignorance you are displaying is next level. All clubs have had availability problems this season. You are no different from anyone else in that regard.

How can you possibly think it’s fair that the players of Cooks Hill, Cardiff or Mayfield potentially miss out on a finals place because you’ve illegally won a game?

[JasonKonjarski]

Shut up about it now on another note
Any one need a Goalkeeper for next season I’m back hit me up if interested cheers guys

[MurderOnZidanesFloor]

It’s unfortunate but if you can’t field a team you forfeit. As clubs like Westlakes have had to do this season.

You keep calling it a mysterious rule yet Warners Bay were aware of it and that is why they didn’t start any players who started the first grade fixture. And Newcastle football have correctly punished you for breaking it. So yes it DOES exist. The ignorance you are displaying is next level. All clubs have had availability problems this season. You are no different from anyone else in that regard.

How can you possibly think it’s fair that the players of Cooks Hill, Cardiff or Mayfield potentially miss out on a finals place because you’ve illegally won a game?

Maybe clubs wouldn’t be so sceptical if Suns didn’t coincidentally drop their first grade captain to play a game which they needed to win to keep in touch with the semi final race. But thanks for the clarity Lofty.

[Inside left]

Warners Bay finishing their team song with “**** the Suns” just confirms the classless club that they are. Embarrassing to say the least.
Hahahaha absolute losers.

Ironic from the team who cheated and are so famous for being the victims

[The Hacker]

Let’s talk football. Swansea taking a point from Cardiff has finished off the tigers and the Swans cling to hope of survival.
Dudley beating Warner’s bay pretty much seals a home final for them.
Azzurri winning and Mayfield having a draw opens up 4th spot

[riverboy]

Could we have all done better earlier on getting games organized, YES
Could the associations have done better, YES
Could the councils do better, YES
Could clubs try and fix there grounds so it doesn't happen again without a grant, NO, (Drainage is around 90K alone i think.)

Could we tweak the system that if a game is called out, there is always a ground swap option on that day. YES (this would also fix the call that a team had players out, injured, splendour etc, so didn't want to play the game, so we just called it off because it's wet)
Should the associations give us a bit more flexability, F*#K YES

We moved into Evans last year, i cant count how many grant applications our treasurer has done, from the little 2-3K ones to 200k plus, add this to all the ones we have done over the years before, wish i had a dollar for everyone.
Time consuming for generally no result.

All up folks, clubs do there best most times, so how about we stop carrying on and blaming others, start working together to either fix or make a system that works better than it does currently for next year.

cheers

At any time over the years did Cardiff city look at going to the athletics ground at Macquarie Hills? Could have been a decent backup plus a home ground for some of their all age teams.

[Jardelsimage]

At any time over the years did Cardiff city look at going to the athletics ground at Macquarie Hills? Could have been a decent backup plus a home ground for some of their all age teams.
a very long time ago we looked at it, when we were still at No2

1: its not big enough
2: has long jump inside it
3: the athletics are extremely protective of there patch
4: we already have 2 grounds, im sure that is enough, for the amount of teams we have

[Jardelsimage]

cardiff v swansea
3rds 5-1
res 3-2
1st 1-1

[MisplacedPasses]

Christ! Teams would be better of just putting a witches hat in the goal mouth.

[MisplacedPasses]

Shut up about it now on another note
Any one need a Goalkeeper for next season I’m back hit me up if interested cheers guys

Christ! Teams would be better off putting a witches hat in the goal mouth.

[Hurricane]

Or a scarecrow

[prawnhead]

Christ! Teams would be better off putting a witches hat in the goal mouth.

He’s obviously just deflecting and taking a bit of heat off his old club. Couldn’t keep a clean sheet with a thousand prawn scoops.

[JasonKonjarski]

He’s obviously just deflecting and taking a bit of heat off his old club. Couldn’t keep a clean sheet with a thousand prawn scoops.

My old teammates called me worse come on guys bring a bit more heat my way I miss it

[MisplacedPasses]

My old teammates called me worse come on guys bring a bit more heat my way I miss it

You're about as good as your failed goal keeping glove brand (I seen the Facebook market place adds).

[JasonKonjarski]

You're about as good as your failed goal keeping glove brand (I seen the Facebook market place adds).

They are selling quite quickly and thanks for bringing awareness to my brand
I’m going to be bringing out a range for next season where I’m going to donate $5 per pair sold towards a charity that deals with mens mental health would be good for all clubs to jump on board and get there keepers to buy some good priced quality gloves

But I’m sure you can come up with something better then that insult think harder next time

[Jardelsimage]

Did azzurri play westlakes yesterday?

[mge61]

Westlakes wouldn’t play due to lack of numbers

[Bremsstrahlung]

A gripe of mine on this foz is the barrage that some foz members cop.
I’m talking about the members whose identity or at least official capacity at a club is known.
Lofty, Jardel, ForeverRed, Jason to name a few.

These types of members are usually great value for a place like the foz. They offer insight into the runnings of their club and competition and experiences. Not saying they are perfect or their comments can’t be argued or refuted, sometimes the comments can be heavily biased. But I think they cop a fair bit unnecessarily. Usually from anonymous accounts with the sole intention of trolling or taking personal shots.

Last week we saw a number of new members with no previous posts join to drive their agenda against Suns. (Both sides have now had their say and Newcastle football can deal with it).
We’ve just seen a few people take some shots at ‘Jason’.
We’ve also seen Lofty respond to a few comments in a rather professional manner stating the clubs position and interpretation. Sure you’re entitled to disagree with the premise of the post. But at least acknowledge it with respect.
We’ve just seen Jardel take time to answer numerous questions about Cardiff and always answers those questions directed his way.
There’s many other foz members with committee roles or affiliations with clubs that do similarly.


By all means, this foz is designed to have a variety of ideas and opinions on various things, and opinions will definitely differ and clash from time to time. But respect goes a long way. The foz had issues in the past with defaming posts. If you’re targeting an individual or a club with your posts, I’d be double checking prior to posting that you would be happy to post the same thing on Facebook/or even here if your real name and identity were attached. Anonymity on the foz is a responsibility not a right.

[Jardelsimage]

A gripe of mine on this foz is the barrage that some foz members cop.
I’m talking about the members whose identity or at least official capacity at a club is known.
Lofty, Jardel, ForeverRed, Jason to name a few.

These types of members are usually great value for a place like the foz. They offer insight into the runnings of their club and competition and experiences. Not saying they are perfect or their comments can’t be argued or refuted, sometimes the comments can be heavily biased. But I think they cop a fair bit unnecessarily. Usually from anonymous accounts with the sole intention of trolling or taking personal shots.

Last week we saw a number of new members with no previous posts join to drive their agenda against Suns. (Both sides have now had their say and Newcastle football can deal with it).
We’ve just seen a few people take some shots at ‘Jason’.
We’ve also seen Lofty respond to a few comments in a rather professional manner stating the clubs position and interpretation. Sure you’re entitled to disagree with the premise of the post. But at least acknowledge it with respect.
We’ve just seen Jardel take time to answer numerous questions about Cardiff and always answers those questions directed his way.
There’s many other foz members with committee roles or affiliations with clubs that do similarly.


By all means, this foz is designed to have a variety of ideas and opinions on various things, and opinions will definitely differ and clash from time to time. But respect goes a long way. The foz had issues in the past with defaming posts. If you’re targeting an individual or a club with your posts, I’d be double checking prior to posting that you would be happy to post the same thing on Facebook/or even here if your real name and identity were attached. Anonymity on the foz is a responsibility not a right.

Well said Brem.

[Kicktheball]

Do semi finals grounds for all grades still go off first grade ladder results?

[Jardelsimage]

Do semi finals grounds for all grades still go off first grade ladder results?

yes

[Lofty]

Great post mate. It’s no secret who I am. I don’t try and hide that and all my views are pretty open. I’ll never try and bring a club or individual down (except maybe now with a few bad truths). I’ve been involved in a committee role at my club since I was 19 when it was at the brink of folding. I know what it takes to get a club to the level that it is now and change the perception that it had over 20 years ago.

The last week has been embarrassing from a number of individuals who have created accounts just to try and slander my club. We were getting kicked left, right and centre until I spilled the facts.
And then, a number of anonymous individuals with the combined IQ of Warners Bays points tally still try and put the boot in. Throw around outlandish comments and seriously making up rules that suit their agenda.

I stopped replying as I felt dumber after reading each comment. And I apologise for the rubbish people have had to read with this ordeal and it taking up so much space in the forum when it’s a topic that doesn’t need to be spoken about in one of the best seasons in reason memory. But let just say, it’s not the end of it.
We as a club have been through the rules from top to bottom and we know where we stand. Our ressies team won’t even be making semi finals and Warners Bay already securing the premiership. But the integrity of the competition and the responsibility of the federation is just as important to me.
I’m certainly not going to sit down to a bunch of clowns that hide behind a screen name on here, make up some nonsense rules and refuse to put them in here for everyone to see.

Newcastle Suns are an open book, we have offered everyone to take a look at all the evidence of both sagas involving Warners Bay.
I’m my eyes, Warners Bay are the only ones letting themselves down. Had their been anyone involved in and around my club creating accounts and posting things like they have, I’d be all over that quick smart. The fact that after winning the minor premiership on the weekend against Dudley and then to chant “f**k the Suns” says everything you need to know about that club from the top down. Classless.
The arrogance of their president to send the email he sent admitting what they did in the first round against us (started a player in firsts and ressies who in fact scored in both those games) and up hold their decision to claim a forfeit against us in a match that didn’t just have one played doubling up, there were multiple.
They are completely ignoring the fact that players played thirds and then played ressies after in the game they are whinging about.

Sorry again for the long winded post, but people need to clean up their own backyard and stop throwing stones from glasshouses.

The federations have a lot to answer for with the way they have handled this so far also.

[jim wallis]

A gripe of mine on this foz is the barrage that some foz members cop.


Correct up to a point.

There are some on here, mainly in other threads, who vouch for a few grubs in the football community.

Ill correct these lies, not vilify, when ever needed.

Bowing to Woke cancel culture at the expense of truth will never happen from me.

[Villians]

The federation committee member that handles this sort've stuff is Macquarie, and the panel is made-up of the Warners Bay president. Not surprised they decided to dock the three points and refused to be held accountable for the decision.

[The Hacker]

A gripe of mine on this foz is the barrage that some foz members cop.
I’m talking about the members whose identity or at least official capacity at a club is known.
Lofty, Jardel, ForeverRed, Jason to name a few.

These types of members are usually great value for a place like the foz. They offer insight into the runnings of their club and competition and experiences. Not saying they are perfect or their comments can’t be argued or refuted, sometimes the comments can be heavily biased. But I think they cop a fair bit unnecessarily. Usually from anonymous accounts with the sole intention of trolling or taking personal shots.

Last week we saw a number of new members with no previous posts join to drive their agenda against Suns. (Both sides have now had their say and Newcastle football can deal with it).
We’ve just seen a few people take some shots at ‘Jason’.
We’ve also seen Lofty respond to a few comments in a rather professional manner stating the clubs position and interpretation. Sure you’re entitled to disagree with the premise of the post. But at least acknowledge it with respect.
We’ve just seen Jardel take time to answer numerous questions about Cardiff and always answers those questions directed his way.
There’s many other foz members with committee roles or affiliations with clubs that do similarly.


By all means, this foz is designed to have a variety of ideas and opinions on various things, and opinions will definitely differ and clash from time to time. But respect goes a long way. The foz had issues in the past with defaming posts. If you’re targeting an individual or a club with your posts, I’d be double checking prior to posting that you would be happy to post the same thing on Facebook/or even here if your real name and identity were attached. Anonymity on the foz is a responsibility not a right.

Really well said

[Villians]

As senior clubs, this might be as good time to reflect on the role of the federation and how they work in utter isolation when it comes to the governance of said clubs and the zone competitions. From the structure, to the rules, to the management. Zone has so much potential, but the bottom is being hollowed-out year after year. Time to reassess.

[gtg]

With the exception of a few standout teams, the quality across most zone leagues this season has dropped IMO. With yet another disrupted year (how many is this now?), I expect more players to stop playing next year and, more than likely, some clubs folding entirely.

Taking that into consideration, how do clubs weigh up promotion/relegation? If you come last in ZPL is it automatic relegation or do they weigh up the options and if another club wants to go down, they allow them to do so instead? Same goes for promotion. I know that a lot of clubs reject the promotion offer, hence why Westlakes got promoted without winning the league or winning the final series.

[travellingman]

As senior clubs, this might be as good time to reflect on the role of the federation and how they work in utter isolation when it comes to the governance of said clubs and the zone competitions. From the structure, to the rules, to the management. Zone has so much potential, but the bottom is being hollowed-out year after year. Time to reassess.

WHY would the associations allow NNSW football to take over.
NNSW would only put the entrance fee to registered a team up and how many ZL clubs can afford that. NNSW have destroyed the youth development pathway, why destroy community football as well

[Jardelsimage]

The federation committee member that handles this sort've stuff is Macquarie, and the panel is made-up of the Warners Bay president. Not surprised they decided to dock the three points and refused to be held accountable for the decision.

sorry but i think you will find that this decision would have been made by RH only, as he runs the ZL comps.
He might have made a few calls but generally he does this on his lonesome.
Macquarie do all the teamsheets, but this would have went straight to him.

[WWFC25]

Westlakes wouldn’t play due to lack of numbers

Couldn’t*
You used the wrong letter at the start of one of your words :)

[Zonal Marking]

Great post mate. It’s no secret who I am. I don’t try and hide that and all my views are pretty open. I’ll never try and bring a club or individual down (except maybe now with a few bad truths). I’ve been involved in a committee role at my club since I was 19 when it was at the brink of folding. I know what it takes to get a club to the level that it is now and change the perception that it had over 20 years ago.

The last week has been embarrassing from a number of individuals who have created accounts just to try and slander my club. We were getting kicked left, right and centre until I spilled the facts.
And then, a number of anonymous individuals with the combined IQ of Warners Bays points tally still try and put the boot in. Throw around outlandish comments and seriously making up rules that suit their agenda.

I stopped replying as I felt dumber after reading each comment. And I apologise for the rubbish people have had to read with this ordeal and it taking up so much space in the forum when it’s a topic that doesn’t need to be spoken about in one of the best seasons in reason memory. But let just say, it’s not the end of it.
We as a club have been through the rules from top to bottom and we know where we stand. Our ressies team won’t even be making semi finals and Warners Bay already securing the premiership. But the integrity of the competition and the responsibility of the federation is just as important to me.
I’m certainly not going to sit down to a bunch of clowns that hide behind a screen name on here, make up some nonsense rules and refuse to put them in here for everyone to see.

Newcastle Suns are an open book, we have offered everyone to take a look at all the evidence of both sagas involving Warners Bay.
I’m my eyes, Warners Bay are the only ones letting themselves down. Had their been anyone involved in and around my club creating accounts and posting things like they have, I’d be all over that quick smart. The fact that after winning the minor premiership on the weekend against Dudley and then to chant “f**k the Suns” says everything you need to know about that club from the top down. Classless.
The arrogance of their president to send the email he sent admitting what they did in the first round against us (started a player in firsts and ressies who in fact scored in both those games) and up hold their decision to claim a forfeit against us in a match that didn’t just have one played doubling up, there were multiple.
They are completely ignoring the fact that players played thirds and then played ressies after in the game they are whinging about.

Sorry again for the long winded post, but people need to clean up their own backyard and stop throwing stones from glasshouses.

The federations have a lot to answer for with the way they have handled this so far also.

With your first round fixture were the matches played in the correct order ie 3rds, Ressies, 1sts? Just asking because if a player started reserve grade and then also started the next game would that not be disadvantaging your 1st grade team? At the end of the day we probably all agree that first grade is the priority so I can’t imagine why they would voluntarily want to not start with 11 fresh players?

The second round fixture first grade was the only game played yeah? So really this is all about the order of the matches being played. The lower grades were played at a later date? I think it basically comes down to whether this rule exists that you can’t start any player who started first grade. If it doesn’t exist and the federation have just made it up you might have a point but if it does you probably do deserve to be docked points. Just my opinion though.

[Kingofthemiddle]

Speaking of rules...
A new one emerged for myself as I didn’t know it.
A player was shadowing the ball out for a goal kick when the attacker wrapped his arm around him and basically rugby tackled him down.
When the players questioned the decisions of the ref and touchy the reply was it happened outside of the field so get on with it.this being said anyone taking a throw or corner outside the lines are potentially free for foul play????loop hole???

[Giges]

Speaking of rules...
A new one emerged for myself as I didn’t know it.
A player was shadowing the ball out for a goal kick when the attacker wrapped his arm around him and basically rugby tackled him down.
When the players questioned the decisions of the ref and touchy the reply was it happened outside of the field so get on with it.this being said anyone taking a throw or corner outside the lines are potentially free for foul play????loop hole???

Seems pretty odd. Particularly given a referee can issue a card when the game is over.

I had an strange one a few weeks back. We were up 1-0 with 2 minutes to go. I scramble to clear a ball that was centre field in the middle of my own half, the ball goes well out of play but not too far (I hit it with my weak foot) and the receive a yellow for time wasting. Up until this point the referee had hardly used his whistle.

[Lofty]

With your first round fixture were the matches played in the correct order ie 3rds, Ressies, 1sts? Just asking because if a player started reserve grade and then also started the next game would that not be disadvantaging your 1st grade team? At the end of the day we probably all agree that first grade is the priority so I can’t imagine why they would voluntarily want to not start with 11 fresh players?

The second round fixture first grade was the only game played yeah? So really this is all about the order of the matches being played. The lower grades were played at a later date? I think it basically comes down to whether this rule exists that you can’t start any player who started first grade. If it doesn’t exist and the federation have just made it up you might have a point but if it does you probably do deserve to be docked points. Just my opinion though.

You and I are different. You are trying to justify with opinion, whereas I’m substantiating my version with facts and the rules.
Honestly, if you can read, it’s very very easy to understand.

The rules state that you cannot be in two starting elevens in the one round, UNLESS you do not have enough players to field a team.
You seem to be very selective in complaining about one of the numerous players that doubled up. We didn’t have enough players, so there were players used within the club including third grade that played that day who also played consecutive games.
1. There is nothing in the rules regarding the order of games played within a round. That is one rule you have made up to put a spin on your story.
Furthermore, the fact we didn’t play three grades on that scheduled day is utter bullshit from Warners Bay as the next field had games from morning to afternoon. There was at least four matches played on that pitch. Splendour or not, the games should have just been played!
2. No player is allocated to any grade until finals commence. It doesn’t matter what your opinion is, all players are able to start any grade, those are the rules and that’s facts.
I’m summary, what we did was 100% within the rules. Whether your opinion is that it’s right or wrong is no fault of ours. There are rules in place. We don’t make the rules and we abided by them.

Let me touch on the earlier game against you guys.
1. You had a player who started in both reserve grade and first grade. Just so happened to score in both grades, although that doesn’t change anything.
2. There’s no issue having a player start two grades as I mentioned earlier, when you do not have enough players. However, this was not the case with you guys. You had a player on the bench, fresh that had not played in any other grades.
So in fact, as per the rules and regulations, Warners Bay breached them in this instance.

Again, you can spin this whichever way you want with your OPINION. Just because you think your opinion is right, it doesn’t stand up against facts.

I find it really difficult to continually dumb down the way I post in the hope that you and your mates can get a grasp on the situation but it’s getting beyond a joke.
If you don’t understand any of this, I suggest you get someone else who does to read it out to you.

[Zonal Marking]

You and I are different. You are trying to justify with opinion, whereas I’m substantiating my version with facts and the rules.
Honestly, if you can read, it’s very very easy to understand.

The rules state that you cannot be in two starting elevens in the one round, UNLESS you do not have enough players to field a team.
You seem to be very selective in complaining about one of the numerous players that doubled up. We didn’t have enough players, so there were players used within the club including third grade that played that day who also played consecutive games.
1. There is nothing in the rules regarding the order of games played within a round. That is one rule you have made up to put a spin on your story.
Furthermore, the fact we didn’t play three grades on that scheduled day is utter bullshit from Warners Bay as the next field had games from morning to afternoon. There was at least four matches played on that pitch. Splendour or not, the games should have just been played!
2. No player is allocated to any grade until finals commence. It doesn’t matter what your opinion is, all players are able to start any grade, those are the rules and that’s facts.
I’m summary, what we did was 100% within the rules. Whether your opinion is that it’s right or wrong is no fault of ours. There are rules in place. We don’t make the rules and we abided by them.

Let me touch on the earlier game against you guys.
1. You had a player who started in both reserve grade and first grade. Just so happened to score in both grades, although that doesn’t change anything.
2. There’s no issue having a player start two grades as I mentioned earlier, when you do not have enough players. However, this was not the case with you guys. You had a player on the bench, fresh that had not played in any other grades.
So in fact, as per the rules and regulations, Warners Bay breached them in this instance.

Again, you can spin this whichever way you want with your OPINION. Just because you think your opinion is right, it doesn’t stand up against facts.

I find it really difficult to continually dumb down the way I post in the hope that you and your mates can get a grasp on the situation but it’s getting beyond a joke.
If you don’t understand any of this, I suggest you get someone else who does to read it out to you.

Firstly I have no affiliation with Wbay but I have been following this thread closely because the ruling has/had potential implications on my team playing finals footy. So forget about them for a minute.

If you were allowed to start the first grade player in that match then I agree you shouldn’t be punished. You might not like the federation but I’m sure they didn’t just wake up one morning and think they’ll punish the Suns because they feel like it. So I kind of assume on that basis that you have done something wrong and a couple of other posters have made some solid points supporting that view.

Are you able to at least acknowledge that from an opposition point of view it does look like you started an ineligible player in a must win lower grade game? A view that the federation have obviously agreed with. Maybe everyone else is wrong and you will get this rightfully overruled but it’s not a great look. If you had that many players doubling up you probably should have forfeited 3rd grade? It sounds like you basically only had enough players to fill one team anyway?

[Lofty]

Firstly I have no affiliation with Wbay but I have been following this thread closely because the ruling has/had potential implications on my team playing finals footy. So forget about them for a minute.

If you were allowed to start the first grade player in that match then I agree you shouldn’t be punished. You might not like the federation but I’m sure they didn’t just wake up one morning and think they’ll punish the Suns because they feel like it. So I kind of assume on that basis that you have done something wrong and a couple of other posters have made some solid points supporting that view.

Are you able to at least acknowledge that from an opposition point of view it does look like you started an ineligible player in a must win lower grade game? A view that the federation have obviously agreed with. Maybe everyone else is wrong and you will get this rightfully overruled but it’s not a great look. If you had that many players doubling up you probably should have forfeited 3rd grade? It sounds like you basically only had enough players to fill one team anyway?

Apologies, I didn’t realise you weren’t affiliated with WB.

I’m not going to air the federations dirty laundry out here, but the rules are there for all to see.

As I’ve said previously, I can understand from an outsiders point of view of how it may look. But the reality is that there are rules and what happened is clearly within those rules.
No club is ever forced to forfeit. We haven’t forfeited third grade since 2008. We have had countless occasions where multiple players have doubled up in grades. Two seasons ago we played Dudley in three grades with a total of 23 players. We had nothing on the line either other than fulfilling our fixtures. I can understand why teams do forfeit, but that’s not in our nature. We will always do what we can to field three sides. As we did on the weekend.

The fact that these games were played in a mixed order is absolutely no fault of ours. You cannot punish a club for being forced to play fixtures in a reverse order, nor can you punish a team for having too many injuries.

If you are lucky enough as a club to no have to have players doubling up in a season which has been stop start from preseason, early rounds, and to now going through a period where we were playing 6 games in 19 days in order to get our games played before the end of the season. Then that’s a luxury we would bite your hand off for.

We are essentially out of finals now and Warners Bay have already secured top spot. But that doesn’t take away the principle of this whole situation. The fairness and integrity of the competition and the federation all comes into this.
Just because the result may have no impact, does not mean the right outcome should be applied.

There are numerous clubs that have already admitted to having players start in multiple grades. Is this now something that every opposing club is just going to be able to dispute? You cannot pick and chose which clubs have certain rules enforced and not others.

[Kingofthemiddle]

While lofty and his rule book are getting no love.
Where has the the love for bad boy will gone??
Did he leave with the super coach mid season?
Did he get a haircut,new shoes and smarten up or
Did he simply run out of toys to throw out of the cot??
We need answers where has the bad boy gone???

[ha'way the lads]

While lofty and his rule book are getting no love.
Where has the the love for bad boy will gone??
Did he leave with the super coach mid season?
Did he get a haircut,new shoes and smarten up or
Did he simply run out of toys to throw out of the cot??
We need answers where has the bad boy gone???

Last seen at fulltime on Chapman Oval calling opposition homophobic slurs and threatening fights in the carpark. If he's gone then good riddance, if not, I look forward to frustrating him to that point again next season

[The Hacker]

What teams have mid week games

[Jardelsimage]

What teams have mid week games

Azzurri v Cardiff at Evans

last night

3rds 0--1 we played to beat the upcoming weather tonight.

reggies and 1st will either play tonight, tomorrow or Thursday, weather depending.

cheers

[The Hacker]

Azzurri v Cardiff at Evans

last night

3rds 0--1 we played to beat the upcoming weather tonight.

reggies and 1st will either play tonight, tomorrow or Thursday, weather depending.

cheers

This was clever

[Jardelsimage]

This was clever

wanted 2 grades, at short notice we got one played at least.

[Zonal Marking]

So who is looking most likely to wrap up a finals position in firsts? Looks like Dudley & Suns are already locked in. Wbay also seem all but there so that leaves Mayfield & Azzurri to fight for that 4th spot. They play each other this coming weekend yeah?

[The Hacker]

So who is looking most likely to wrap up a finals position in firsts? Looks like Dudley & Suns are already locked in. Wbay also seem all but there so that leaves Mayfield & Azzurri to fight for that 4th spot. They play each other this coming weekend yeah?

I think Mayfield are in trouble. Azzurri has Westlakes, Swansea, Cardiff and Mayfield. Saturday is a huge game will decide 4th spot

[Jardelsimage]

Azzurri v Cardiff at Evans again.

res 2-4
1st 2-3

[Kicktheball]

Azzurri v Cardiff at Evans again.

res 2-4
1st 2-3

Well that result makes things interesting in firsts

[Buddha]

Jardel any plans to upgrade lights at Evans Park? Not sure how the players saw it but gee whiz the Road End goal mouth was pretty dark where i was sitting on about halfway

[The Hacker]

Azzurri v Cardiff at Evans again.

res 2-4
1st 2-3

Makes Azzurri v Mayfield on Saturday a massive game

[Lofty]

A mayfield win on Saturday would all but end things.
A win for Azzurri will make all remaining fixtures massive.
Exciting to follow..

[Jardelsimage]

Jardel any plans to upgrade lights at Evans Park? Not sure how the players saw it but gee whiz the Road End goal mouth was pretty dark where i was sitting on about halfway

yeh, as said on another page, we have been putting in for grants left, right and centre for two years now, hopefully we get something end of this year.
they were going to adjust them but as per usual havent actually gotten around to it yet.

It's hard coming from No2 with great lights to the shitty ones we have, but it is what it is currently.

[Zonal Marking]

An exciting weekend coming up in the best football comp in newy. Dudley should deal with Kotara which will put a bit of pressure on Suns but I fully expect them to win at least one of their two remaining matches which will secure the minor premiership.

Westlakes only have a 3 point lead on Swansea who have a superior GD so they’ll be nervously looking over their shoulder. I’m sure they would take a point against Cardiff right now if offered. Swansea meanwhile are at home against Wbay who have already wrapped up a finals spot so who knows what their mindset will be like.

Match of the round is definitely Mayfield vs Azzurri though. I think the winner will take the 4th finals place. Azzurri have played a lot of football lately and maybe it’s starting to catch-up with them. Mayfield are always a tough team team to break down especially at Mayfield Park. I think it will be a tight low scoring game but the home team will come out on top. And if the top 4 is set after this weekend the federation immediately reverses their decision to play 1 leg semis. I wish!

[Jardelsimage]

An exciting weekend coming up in the best football comp in newy. Dudley should deal with Kotara which will put a bit of pressure on Suns but I fully expect them to win at least one of their two remaining matches which will secure the minor premiership.

. And if the top 4 is set after this weekend the federation immediately reverses their decision to play 1 leg semis. I wish!

Sorry for one, it's not the Federation, how about we get this right for once, Newcastle, Macquarie and Hunter run our comp, which is Zone, which in turn is overseen by Russel Henry out of Newcastle, the federation have nothing to do with us basically except for taking a fee out of our rego.

What about the lowers grades, they are definitely not set in stone for the final four?
Do we just say that's it, comp over you lower grade teams, lets play some finals now?

[Lofty]

It shouldn't have gotten to this point, but here we are. It won't change, zero chance.
Suns game for the final round is againt Westalkes which could possibly be their grand final to ensure stay up, so you can't be chopping and changing anymore.

I don't think a single club is happy to have just one leg, but it is what it is now.

Still no confirmation of which days the semi finals will be scheduled for and the GF venue..

[Zonal Marking]

Sorry for one, it's not the Federation, how about we get this right for once, Newcastle, Macquarie and Hunter run our comp, which is Zone, which in turn is overseen by Russel Henry out of Newcastle, the federation have nothing to do with us basically except for taking a fee out of our rego.

What about the lowers grades, they are definitely not set in stone for the final four?
Do we just say that's it, comp over you lower grade teams, lets play some finals now?

No I don’t think the lower grades should be disregarded at all however why not revert the first grade competition back to two legs? And keep the lower grade fixtures as is? Yes I also acknowledge Loftys point about the relegation battle still potentially in play but if it’s also decided this weekend let’s have the two first grade semi final first legs played next Sunday!

[Jardelsimage]

No I don’t think the lower grades should be disregarded at all however why not revert the first grade competition back to two legs? And keep the lower grade fixtures as is? Yes I also acknowledge Loftys point about the relegation battle still potentially in play but if it’s also decided this weekend let’s have the two first grade semi final first legs played next Sunday!

sorry but step back and think about what you just wrote....

so lets have the 1st grade sides start there semi finals series without the back and support up of there lower grades as they will be off playing somewhere else???? because there finals game dosent start for another week.....

this is probably the worst(i was going to say dumbest, but i thought i offend someone) idea i have ever seen put on this forum, logistically impossible 1st off to start with, i dont think i have to continue.

[Zonal Marking]

sorry but step back and think about what you just wrote....

so lets have the 1st grade sides start there semi finals series without the back and support up of there lower grades as they will be off playing somewhere else???? because there finals game dosent start for another week.....

this is probably the worst(i was going to say dumbest, but i thought i offend someone) idea i have ever seen put on this forum, logistically impossible 1st off to start with, i dont think i have to continue.

You do realise that during a finals series there are often lower grades who play that same weekend but on a different day to first grade? I suggested Sunday because I assumed by the Saturday all lower grade fixtures would have had the chance to be wrapped up. It’s a unique season and I’ve put forward a unique idea. Of course there could be possible flaws but that’s the whole point of a forum to discuss these things. No need for you to ride in on your high horse and dismiss it while insulting me in the process.

[terry]

Minor major is the best and fairest semi final contest. for 3rd or fourth to win they need to beat the other 3 teams. End of.

[The Hacker]

Minor major is the best and fairest semi final contest. for 3rd or fourth to win they need to beat the other 3 teams. End of.

I agree It rewards the teams that finish 1st and 2nd. Currently there is no difference in finishing 1st or 4th

[Buddha]

On the subject of lower grades....the premier grade 3rd Grade looks so damn tight in the race for finals

Mayfield & Azzurri sitting 5th & 6th on 26 points behind Suns & Cookers in 3rd & 4th on 28pts. Mayfield 2 games in hand to Azzurri's 3 (of which they are Mayfield, Westlake & Swansea), Cookers play Suns to decide which of them will play finals as well.

[Lofty]

The closeness of this comp is highlighted every year. There's next to no reward for finishing first or second, compared to those who might scrape in for fourth. Although with one leg this year it will mean only first and second will get a home semi, it's still just one game of football. No second chances.

I don't know if it will change, but it's definitely something that should be discussed at seasons end, in preparation for next season and beyond.

Furthermore, it would bring back a fairer playing field for the lower grades. Currently it all just goes off first grade, so home and away legs are irrelevant. Sometimes they are in reverse due to finishing positions of other grades, which is just confusing. Going to minor/major finals series again makes it a lot more rewarding for finishing top 2.

[Jardelsimage]

You do realise that during a finals series there are often lower grades who play that same weekend but on a different day to first grade? I suggested Sunday because I assumed by the Saturday all lower grade fixtures would have had the chance to be wrapped up. It’s a unique season and I’ve put forward a unique idea. Of course there could be possible flaws but that’s the whole point of a forum to discuss these things. No need for you to ride in on your high horse and dismiss it while insulting me in the process.

Yeh realize that, been in a few over the years.
yep different days, different grounds etc, etc.

The idea your saying is basically play 1st as our normal final series, then play lower grades as a different type of final series, is that an insult to the lower graders?

look no insult

[The Hacker]

The closeness of this comp is highlighted every year. There's next to no reward for finishing first or second, compared to those who might scrape in for fourth. Although with one leg this year it will mean only first and second will get a home semi, it's still just one game of football. No second chances.

I don't know if it will change, but it's definitely something that should be discussed at seasons end, in preparation for next season and beyond.

Furthermore, it would bring back a fairer playing field for the lower grades. Currently it all just goes off first grade, so home and away legs are irrelevant. Sometimes they are in reverse due to finishing positions of other grades, which is just confusing. Going to minor/major finals series again makes it a lot more rewarding for finishing top 2.

Real good point Lofty. In the lower grades there is absolutely no advantage cause you may not even play a home game. That’s why 1v2 and 3v4 rewards the lower grades more

[WWFC25]

Real good point Lofty. In the lower grades there is absolutely no advantage cause you may not even play a home game. That’s why 1v2 and 3v4 rewards the lower grades more

Maybe I’m reading this wrong but since the final series is 1v4 and 2v3…. How are 3rd and 4th getting rewarded except to have to verse the 2 best teams over the season?

[WWFC25]

It shouldn't have gotten to this point, but here we are. It won't change, zero chance.
Suns game for the final round is againt Westalkes which could possibly be their grand final to ensure stay up, so you can't be chopping and changing anymore.

I don't think a single club is happy to have just one leg, but it is what it is now.

Still no confirmation of which days the semi finals will be scheduled for and the GF venue..

Not going to lie Lofty we do plan to lose the our other 2 matches, just so when we beat you lads next weekend it means we avoid relegation 😇

[Lofty]

Maybe I’m reading this wrong but since the final series is 1v4 and 2v3…. How are 3rd and 4th getting rewarded except to have to verse the 2 best teams over the season?

A minor/major finals system gives the top two sides a second chance. In the current set up, one bad game and your whole season can disappear. There's obviously pros and cons for both options. But for a team that finishes 3rd or 4th really have to earn a spot in the GF.

There's arguments for both for sure. I know that some people dislike the idea of winning the major and then having a week off, whereas some like that.

I just think especially for the lower grades that minor/major is a better set up.

[Lofty]

Not going to lie Lofty we do plan to lose the our other 2 matches, just so when we beat you lads next weekend it means we avoid relegation ��

Haha looking forward to it! Would be a great story is you boys did the Suns double. Not so good for us! ��

[Zonal Marking]

Yeh realize that, been in a few over the years.
yep different days, different grounds etc, etc.

The idea your saying is basically play 1st as our normal final series, then play lower grades as a different type of final series, is that an insult to the lower graders?

look no insult

How have you jumped to the conclusion that it is an insult to the lower grades? We’ve already determined there are too many remaining fixtures that will have an impact on the lower grades final standings. There is however a slight chance that first grades final standings will be set by Sunday evening and if plans were put in place I believe two first leg matches could be played next weekend.

Even if there are some flaws it’s not as far fetched an idea as you dramatically tried to make out. You have actually come out of this looking quite foolish to be honest.

[Zonal Marking]

As a matter of fact ignoring logistics, potential flaws etc i ask any committee members, managers or players on here. Hypothetically If you were offered the chance to proceed with the usual finals format but only for first grade (the other grades continue with 1 leg for this season) would you be on board with that? Like I said it is a hypothetical question and is assuming that it would work?

[The Hacker]

Was Mayfield playing mid week

[Jardelsimage]

How have you jumped to the conclusion that it is an insult to the lower grades? We’ve already determined there are too many remaining fixtures that will have an impact on the lower grades final standings. There is however a slight chance that first grades final standings will be set by Sunday evening and if plans were put in place I believe two first leg matches could be played next weekend.

Even if there are some flaws it’s not as far fetched an idea as you dramatically tried to make out. You have actually come out of this looking quite foolish to be honest.

would you like Big Rus's number and you can convince him your idea is better than his....and i've around long enough to bounce out the other side.

last one, so who is your club or do you like to keep it a secret.....you say your not the Bay, so???

[Zonal Marking]

would you like Big Rus's number and you can convince him your idea is better than his....and i've around long enough to bounce out the other side.

last one, so who is your club or do you like to keep it a secret.....you say your not the Bay, so???

I’m sure I can find a contact number for NF on my own just fine thanks. I also think they deserve a bit of credit for making the early call to throw in an extra washout weekend so quite a lot of clubs including my own can get all their catch up matchs in.

As for my club let’s just say that first grade probably won’t be playing finals football but the lower grades are very much alive. You’re the most intelligent person on this forum so I’m sure you can narrow it down from there. Also makes your comment about the lower grades feeling disrespected if only the FG finals format changes look like absolute nonsense.

[gtg]

Maybe I’m reading this wrong but since the final series is 1v4 and 2v3…. How are 3rd and 4th getting rewarded except to have to verse the 2 best teams over the season?

100% agree with this. We get too hung up on chopping and changing things to make it fair but ultimately two legs home and away is a dead simple and fair way to do it.

Slipping into fourth, you then have to verse the top team twice. If you can be the best team over two legs, you deserve to be there.

It's tricky with ZPL because there is no promotion so the final series is a bit more important than for the lower zone league competitions so I do understand the desire to craft the finals in a way to make it more "fair" but I still think home/away leg semi finals makes the most sense.

[Jardelsimage]

I’m sure I can find a contact number for NF on my own just fine thanks. I also think they deserve a bit of credit for making the early call to throw in an extra washout weekend so quite a lot of clubs including my own can get all their catch up matchs in.

As for my club let’s just say that first grade probably won’t be playing finals football but the lower grades are very much alive. You’re the most intelligent person on this forum so I’m sure you can narrow it down from there. Also makes your comment about the lower grades feeling disrespected if only the FG finals format changes look like absolute nonsense.

geez thanks for that, "most intelligent on the forum" you sound so eloquent with your praise. I should tell my missus what you wrote, she says I'm a dumb arse, all the time.

Correct, its not hard to work out, especially if you are telling the truth, but why are you so scared to say which club you support?

[gtg]

I should tell my missus what you wrote, she says I'm a dumb arse, all the time.

Shouldn't let people speak to you like that, mate. It's not very nice.

[Lofty]

I’m sure I can find a contact number for NF on my own just fine thanks. I also think they deserve a bit of credit for making the early call to throw in an extra washout weekend so quite a lot of clubs including my own can get all their catch up matchs in.

As for my club let’s just say that first grade probably won’t be playing finals football but the lower grades are very much alive. You’re the most intelligent person on this forum so I’m sure you can narrow it down from there. Also makes your comment about the lower grades feeling disrespected if only the FG finals format changes look like absolute nonsense.

If your first grade is out of finals, why were you so hung up on taking it back to two legs?

Don't know why people hide who they are affiliated to in here. Well I do know why, but that's just how it is I guess for some. The most credible people in here do not hide who they are.

Ps. I'm from the Suns. Thought I better come out and stop hiding.....

[Zonal Marking]

If your first grade is out of finals, why were you so hung up on taking it back to two legs?

Don't know why people hide who they are affiliated to in here. Well I do know why, but that's just how it is I guess for some. The most credible people in here do not hide who they are.

Ps. I'm from the Suns. Thought I better come out and stop hiding.....

If my club made the finals a one off game would probably give us a far better chance of advancing to the GF but that’s not the point. I like many others follow the rest of the competition and I was merely pointing out that if there was a chance to at least maintain the original format for first grade maybe it should be looked at. I can’t believe the backlash I’ve received from Jardel. You would have thought I had run over his dog with how animated and defensive he got.

Also you wonder why people hide who they are affiliated with? Im surprised you of all people would question that lofty. The heat you’ve copped on here recently for the player ineligibility saga and basically having to defend your whole clubs actions as a one man band. Respect to you for being ok with being in that position but I’m sure it’s one that many others would rather not be in.

[Lofty]

If my club made the finals a one off game would probably give us a far better chance of advancing to the GF but that’s not the point. I like many others follow the rest of the competition and I was merely pointing out that if there was a chance to at least maintain the original format for first grade maybe it should be looked at. I can’t believe the backlash I’ve received from Jardel. You would have thought I had run over his dog with how animated and defensive he got.

Also you wonder why people hide who they are affiliated with? Im surprised you of all people would question that lofty. The heat you’ve copped on here recently for the player ineligibility saga and basically having to defend your whole clubs actions as a one man band. Respect to you for being ok with being in that position but I’m sure it’s one that many others would rather not be in.

I understand where you are coming from with wanting to keep to the original format and as I have said previously, I think most wanted it to stay as two legs. Not only for the fairness of competetion, but also the extra cream you get from canteen on a finals day. It is what it is now and with everything that's happened the last few seasons, I think everyone just wants to get on with it without anymore changes.

Yes I have copped heat from everyone. I think the majority was coming from annonymous people. Everyone that actually represents who they are were understanding once the facts were laid out. At the end of the day, it's much easier to be a keyboard warrior and hide your identity than it is to be proud of who you represent and back yourself even when the chips are down. I think I was pretty tolerant considering some of the imbiciles that wanted to have their 2 cents worth of something they didn't know the full story of.

We are mostly all here for the right reasons and the same reason. To play and enjoy football. I've been around long enough now to not let the small percentage get to me. People that know me personally, know the character that I am and that's all that matters. There will forever be people that hate the Suns and that doesn't bother me at all. It would be better if there was less hate, but that's just how some people are.

Enough of the dribble from me anyway. I'm thoroughly looking forward to seeing how the rest of the season pans out and to finally be able to enjoy a finals series for the first time in 3 years!

[terry]

Correct, its not hard to work out, especially if you are telling the truth, but why are you so scared to say which club you support?

Truth on forums, thats tricky. The amount of home turf bias makes that almost impossible.

[prawnhead]

If my club made the finals a one off game would probably give us a far better chance of advancing to the GF but that’s not the point. I like many others follow the rest of the competition and I was merely pointing out that if there was a chance to at least maintain the original format for first grade maybe it should be looked at. I can’t believe the backlash I’ve received from Jardel. You would have thought I had run over his dog with how animated and defensive he got.

Also you wonder why people hide who they are affiliated with? Im surprised you of all people would question that lofty. The heat you’ve copped on here recently for the player ineligibility saga and basically having to defend your whole clubs actions as a one man band. Respect to you for being ok with being in that position but I’m sure it’s one that many others would rather not be in.

It’s because he coaches 3rd grade.

[The Hacker]

Any grounds in danger of a wash out tomorrow

[terry]

Any grounds in danger of a wash out tomorrow

most of them in danger. the few usuals will play. anyone up the bay? youre on

[Jardelsimage]

It’s because he coaches 3rd grade.

so why does it matter who i coach, never hid that, most know who i am.

My 1st grade more than likely will not be in the finals, a hundred results need to go our way, just like zonals wont be.

To me its all about keep the comps consistent, across the grades and across the divisions, in the end i didn't like his idea, some might i don't, its a forum for christ sake.