2024 Zone League 1

[Zonal Marking]

Minmi ZL2. Stockton were a topic of conversation in regard to ZL1.

Stockton or Forster to come up surely

[Jardelsimage]

So if third grade is optional and there?ll be byes from other teams not having a team will Dudley be allowed to keep theirs and play them in this comp? Or is that too sensible an idea for NNSW

Sorry i don't think a standalone 3rd grade Dudley team would work, the idea has some merit, but could you imagine a few of the current reggies/1st players not playing in NPL2 for one reason or another and playing 3rds instead.

We all need to wait until the poll is done, see what happens then.

[MurderOnZidanesFloor]

Sorry i don't think a standalone 3rd grade Dudley team would work, the idea has some merit, but could you imagine a few of the current reggies/1st players not playing in NPL2 for one reason or another and playing 3rds instead.

We all need to wait until the poll is done, see what happens then.

It?s no different to a ZL1 team stacking their third grade? You don?t have to be blind Freddy to know this occurs from time to time.

[Jardelsimage]

It?s no different to a ZL1 team stacking their third grade? You don?t have to be blind Freddy to know this occurs from time to time.

correct, that does happen but not week in, week out.

If your happy with it, fine, i personally don't think it's a good idea.

The reckoning is it gives their 3rds somewhere to play in 2025, and moving forward if that happens do, we just continue putting whoever goes up their 3rds in the comp to fill a hole, still don't think its a good idea.


The ZL comp's will be all ex NPL U20's soon anyway or that's what someone believes will happen....

[Taffy]

So out of the 12 clubs in the league other than Minmi & Westlakes I wonder who would prefer not to have a third grade team?

According to the more vocal members on here all except 1 will keep theirs, without 3rds, football in Australia would not exist.

[Taffy]

I have already heard Mayfield will boycott season if this is true.

They are going to withdraw from the competition if 3rds is optional?

[Taffy]

Unless they want Zone league 1 to be an 11 team competition with a bye round then Minmi will be remaining where they are.

This sounds like the if Dudley or Suns finish top both teams will just refuse to go up.



With all due respect they possibly should look at forfeiting their place to an ambitious team from the division below though. Just my opinion

Minmi already did, Croatia are taking their place.

[The Postman]

What is stopping Dudley from starting a ZL3 Squad? There is already 16 blokes being squeezed out, plus if they sign some of their Kahibah/Highfields mates, there will be another 5-10 without a spot in NewFM.

Grab a few more players and you've suddenly got a very competitive ZL3 Squad. Instead of wallowing away in All Age.

[Taffy]

What is stopping Dudley from starting a ZL3 Squad? There is already 16 blokes being squeezed out, plus if they sign some of their Kahibah/Highfields mates, there will be another 5-10 without a spot in NewFM.

Grab a few more players and you've suddenly got a very competitive ZL3 Squad. Instead of wallowing away in All Age.

Is there room in ZL3? Already 12 teams, are any dropping out?

[Jardelsimage]

Is there room in ZL3? Already 12 teams, are any dropping out?

I think they will go to a 10 team x 4 division comps, with the extra teams supposedly coming in it rounds off to 40 teams nicely.

[The Magician]

I think they will go to a 10 team x 4 division comps, with the extra teams supposedly coming in it rounds off to 40 teams nicely.

In 2026 the U18s will leave the PYL and rejoin the NPL, therefore NPL and NL1 will return to 3 grade match days.

Third grade is being cut just to then bring in U18s for ZPL to change the disrupt the mindset. There is a mentality that third grade is a waste of space and these players should be playing all age, and then their is a responsibility of all tiers of the football spectrum to provide opportunities for u18s players to play at the highest level because one could turn into a Socceroo.

Interesting times ahead for Newcastle Football.

[Taffy]

In 2026 the U18s will leave the PYL and rejoin the NPL, therefore NPL and NL1 will return to 3 grade match days.

Third grade is being cut just to then bring in U18s for ZPL to change the disrupt the mindset.

Even though that is one of the most stupid ideas I've ever heard of and quite frankly the only reason NPL and NL1 clubs push for this is to make more money and nothing to do improving the game for 16-17 year old players.

So in order to help these clubs make money with promotion and relegation is to force all Zone clubs to have 18s as well.


a responsibility of all tiers of the football spectrum to provide opportunities for u18s players to play at the highest level because one could turn into a Socceroo.

Which absolutely won't happen if they do take 18s out of PYL and move it as the game before reserves you're less likely to develop a socceroo. Plus if you're 16 or 17 playing ZL3 you're never going to be a Socceroo anyway

[The Hacker]

Is there room in ZL3? Already 12 teams, are any dropping out?

From all reports they asked and were told there is a waitlist so back to the end of the line. You would think the teams they are forcing up they would be putting some effort in to making the transition easier.
I heard they asked to put an 18?s into the pyl as a stepping stone to adding a junior program and the federation are making it difficult.
You can expect a club to find out they have to go up into NL1 in September then all of a sudden find 5 competitive teams from 13-18 to just add into pyl.
From what I hear they have accepted their fate of having to go up. Even though they weren?t for it and now as they try and build towards it the federation are making it hard for a club trying to build and conform.
By the sounds of it the prize for finishing first isn?t that great

[Jardelsimage]

Even though that is one of the most stupid ideas I've ever heard of and quite frankly the only reason NPL and NL1 clubs push for this is to make more money and nothing to do improving the game for 16-17 year old players.

So in order to help these clubs make money with promotion and relegation is to force all Zone clubs to have 18s as well.



Which absolutely won't happen if they do take 18s out of PYL and move it as the game before reserves you're less likely to develop a socceroo. Plus if you're 16 or 17 playing ZL3 you're never going to be a Socceroo anyway

They tried having a U/23's quite a few years back, that didn't work well, so i would say they would have a similar problem making a U/18's comp aligned with ZL currently.

Since time began U/18's were part of match day in Senior football (or as long as i can remember anyway) and then NNSWFA dropped it, having U/18's on the same day does many things besides money making schemes.
It gives the younger ones a visual on where they will progress to, if good enough.
It gives some parents a better understanding on how clubs are run, some even hang around and join committees if their young ones make it, which as those who have done their fair share, all clubs need more members to join.

There is nothing better than being asked to stand by for reggies or even 1st after playing the 1st game of the day, under the current system in NPL it can't work like that.

But enough about the NPL shit show, lets concentrate on the best comp in town ZL1....as this is the thread for it...

[Taffy]

I heard they asked to put an 18?s into the pyl as a stepping stone to adding a junior program and the federation are making it difficult.

One team and then a bye for 4 others is difficult for every other club.


You can expect a club to find out they have to go up into NL1 in September then all of a sudden find 5 competitive teams from 13-18 to just add into pyl.

They don't have to, PYL is separate from 1st grade, so they have made it easier for clubs to come up not more difficult.


Even though they weren?t for it and now as they try and build towards it the federation are making it hard for a club trying to build and conform.

Conform to what? No requirement to have youth so there is no need to conform on that side of things.

[Taffy]

They tried having a U/23's quite a few years back, that didn't work well, so i would say they would have a similar problem making a U/18's comp aligned with ZL currently.

I agree



Since time began U/18's were part of match day in Senior football (or as long as i can remember anyway) and then NNSWFA dropped it, having U/18's on the same day does many things besides money making schemes.
It gives the younger ones a visual on where they will progress to, if good enough.
It gives some parents a better understanding on how clubs are run, some even hang around and join committees if their young ones make it, which as those who have done their fair share, all clubs need more members to join.

I've gone over all this in the PYL thread and why these are all flimsy excuses (if your 18s don't know they can progress to reserves because they don't play before is a major red flag for the club) and why taking them out of PYL is detrimental to 16 year olds and the improvement of the game in general.

Just to point out though the main reason clubs gave Northern when saying they wanted 18s before reserves was because it would lead to an increase in gate takings and canteen revenue.


There is nothing better than being asked to stand by for reggies or even 1st after playing the 1st game of the day, under the current system in NPL it can't work like that.

You can certainly be asked to play for reserves or 1st grade, plenty of clubs have done it the past two years.

By the way next year at least 3/4 of U18s games will be played before reserves so all these reasons will still be satisfied.

[The Hacker]

One team and then a bye for 4 others is difficult for every other club.



They don't have to, PYL is separate from 1st grade, so they have made it easier for clubs to come up not more difficult.



Conform to what? No requirement to have youth so there is no need to conform on that side of things.

There was a bye in 18?s this year

They have been told if you do not have youth you can?t go from NL1 to NPL. So what it means is if they finish in the top 4 in NL1 they can?t compete in the end of year playoffs. So no youth means 1st grade are playing for nothing cause there is no GF or can?t be promoted.
Tough to keep players interested with no incentive

[Taffy]

There was a bye in 18?s this year

There was two we certainly don't need anymore, however, those two clubs now have 18s for 2025.



They have been told if you do not have youth you can?t go from NL1 to NPL.

That's correct, but there is no requirement for them to go into NL1 and even if they have 18s in 2025 they can't go up anyway still need 4 other age groups, your argument doesn't bear scrutiny

Also let's be honest, they aren't finishing top 4 next year anyway

[Addios]

From all reports they asked and were told there is a waitlist so back to the end of the line. You would think the teams they are forcing up they would be putting some effort in to making the transition easier.
I heard they asked to put an 18?s into the pyl as a stepping stone to adding a junior program and the federation are making it difficult.
You can expect a club to find out they have to go up into NL1 in September then all of a sudden find 5 competitive teams from 13-18 to just add into pyl.
From what I hear they have accepted their fate of having to go up. Even though they weren?t for it and now as they try and build towards it the federation are making it hard for a club trying to build and conform.
By the sounds of it the prize for finishing first isn?t that great

I like the 4th zone league idea. Clubs shouldnt have to wait to join.

ZL4 could have 8 teams, ZL3 could have 10, ZL2 could have 10 or however they can make a fit. And any of those lower clubs should be allowed to enter a 3rd grade into ZL2

[Zonal Marking]

This sounds like the if Dudley or Suns finish top both teams will just refuse to go up.




Minmi already did, Croatia are taking their place.

Dudley are going up and NO ONE is coming down

Croatia are coming up

Therefore if Minmi go down we are currently left with an 11 team comp

If Minmi stay we still have 12 teams

[straightred88]

Dudley are going up and NO ONE is coming down

Croatia are coming up

Therefore if Minmi go down we are currently left with an 11 team comp

If Minmi stay we still have 12 teams

So they survive by the skin of their teeth just like Cardiff did.

[Taffy]

So they survive by the skin of their teeth just like Cardiff did.

I would like to see official confirmation of this from Newcastle Football, their rules clearly state as below. This is why I said it sounded like months ago in this thread that the teams coming first will just refuse to be promoted and stay in ZL1

However, if they want to make it 12-10-12 competition then it would mean Minmi stay where they are.

PROMOTION AND RELEGATION

Club shall be promoted or relegated by the following means:-
a. The last placed Team (based on First Grade Competition Premiership Points)
shall be relegated for the next season; the first placed Team (based on First
Grade Competition Premiership Points) shall be promoted for the next
season.

b. Promotion and Relegation shall be COMPULSORY between Northern
League 1, Zone Leagues 1,2,3.

[Jardelsimage]

When 11 teams was mentioned on Wednesday night, old mate looked a little confused, a bit like he hadn't done his maths properly...

[The Hacker]

When 11 teams was mentioned on Wednesday night, old mate looked a little confused, a bit like he hadn't done his maths properly...

I think there are a lot of things they haven?t thought through fully

[Zonal Marking]

So they survive by the skin of their teeth just like Cardiff did.

Theoretically yes unless NF do the sensible thing and promote either Stockton or Forster.

Cardiff did have a poor year last season but Zone league one is a better competition for having them in it.

[The Hacker]

Theoretically yes unless NF do the sensible thing and promote either Stockton or Forster.

Cardiff did have a poor year last season but Zone league one is a better competition for having them in it.

Cardiff had one bad year but otherwise have been well run and are not normally towards the bottom.
Minmi on the other hand are yet to be competitive in ZL1

[Taffy]

Theoretically yes unless NF do the sensible thing and promote either Stockton or Forster.

Why would it be Southern?

[Zonal Marking]

Why would it be Southern?

I just mentioned two strong teams from the division below who I think would be a positive addition to the competition.

Stockton 2nd in the league
Southern Grand finalists

[anfield]

I like the 4th zone league idea. Clubs shouldnt have to wait to join.

ZL4 could have 8 teams, ZL3 could have 10, ZL2 could have 10 or however they can make a fit. And any of those lower clubs should be allowed to enter a 3rd grade into ZL2

Best post of the day, been saying the same for years. Goal should be 40 teams, Mail is there are 4 either joining or extremely interested.

We can't afford to knock back teams...

[Zonal Marking]

When 11 teams was mentioned on Wednesday night, old mate looked a little confused, a bit like he hadn't done his maths properly...

The other question is should Zone league one even remain a 12 team league or do the federation give Westlakes a polite tap on the shoulder and we go back to 10 teams?

[Lofty]

The other question is should Zone league one even remain a 12 team league or do the federation give Westlakes a polite tap on the shoulder and we go back to 10 teams?

Nothing against Westlakes, but yes.

Newcastle football need to man up, make Zone football as strong as possible. 10 team comps across 4 divisions. ZL1 and ZL2 with 3 grades and ZL3 and 4 (if not 10, then the balance) with two grades.
I think it’s unrealistic to have 24 clubs with 3 grades. Focus on strengthening what we have, help out where it’s needed and push on.

[Zonal Marking]

Nothing against Westlakes, but yes.

Newcastle football need to man up, make Zone football as strong as possible. 10 team comps across 4 divisions. ZL1 and ZL2 with 3 grades and ZL3 and 4 (if not 10, then the balance) with two grades.
I think it?s unrealistic to have 24 clubs with 3 grades. Focus on strengthening what we have, help out where it?s needed and push on.

Agree this is the correct model and I think 40 zone league teams across 4 divisions is the magic number we should be aiming for. I dont mind the 5 team final series however if it does revert back to a 10 team comp the finals series should go back to only consist of the top 4 teams.

[Lofty]

Agree this is the correct model and I think 40 zone league teams across 4 divisions is the magic number we should be aiming for. I dont mind the 5 team final series however if it does revert back to a 10 team comp the finals series should go back to only consist of the top 4 teams.

Yeah I’m torn here, because I also think the 5 team final series is the best to actually reward top finishing teams, especially in thirds and ressies. Because the old system is virtually irrelevant for lower grades.
I still think if it’s a 10 team comp, I’d lean to a 5 team finals series simply due to it rewarding higher finishing teams.

[Toaf]

If its a 10 team comp it has to be top 4 major minor semi format like interdistrict comps, if its top 5 youll have people complaining again that mid table teams get rewarded

[Zonal Marking]

Yeah I?m torn here, because I also think the 5 team final series is the best to actually reward top finishing teams, especially in thirds and ressies. Because the old system is virtually irrelevant for lower grades.
I still think if it?s a 10 team comp, I?d lean to a 5 team finals series simply due to it rewarding higher finishing teams.

I get what you are saying and I am borderline on it as well. However I just feel that a team that finishes 5th in a 10 team comp probably should not be rewarded with the chance to play in or win a grand final. Just my opinion though and I respect the argument for it to remain a top five.

[Builtwithlove18]

Are the suns struggling to find a coach?

Having been knocked back by a few coaches already….be interesting to see who steps up for the job.

[Zone Insider]

Are the suns struggling to find a coach?

Having been knocked back by a few coaches already….be interesting to see who steps up for the job.

I doubt that. A long established powerhouse in zone football. I?m sure they are just looking for the right fit.

[The Hacker]

Are the suns struggling to find a coach?

Having been knocked back by a few coaches already?.be interesting to see who steps up for the job.

I would find that surprising. I would of thought it might of been them knocking back coaches to get the right one

[MurderOnZidanesFloor]

Are the suns struggling to find a coach?

Having been knocked back by a few coaches already….be interesting to see who steps up for the job.

I heard the first grade assistant and reserve grade coach may be taking the reigns.

[Builtwithlove18]

I heard the first grade assistant and reserve grade coach may be taking the reigns.

Plenty of rumours going around?

?From the captains mouth??they have asked a few coaches &
None are interested?.

[YerMate]

Agree this is the correct model and I think 40 zone league teams across 4 divisions is the magic number we should be aiming for. I dont mind the 5 team final series however if it does revert back to a 10 team comp the finals series should go back to only consist of the top 4 teams.

I agree if the comp reverts back to 10 team comp. The final series should be top 4 as followed.

Week 1 - 1 v 2 = winner to GF loser moves to week 2
Week 1 - 3 v 4 = Loser out & winner progresses to week 2

Week 2 - Loser 1/2 v Winner 3/4

Week 3 GF - Winner Wk1 1/2 v Week 2 Winner.

This format rewards you coming 1st or 2nd and a second bite of the cherry.

Just my thoughts. however I'm for a 10 team comp across ZL1 to ZL4.

[Zone Insider]

Interesting times ahead

Allegedly

2 grade model across all tiers

Possible separate comp for clubs who want thirds

Interesting 6 from 12 clubs from this season voted for optional or removal of thirds

19 of 32 clubs in zone football voted for 2 grades only

[The Postman]

Interesting times ahead

Allegedly

2 grade model across all tiers

Possible separate comp for clubs who want thirds

Interesting 6 from 12 clubs from this season voted for optional or removal of thirds

19 of 32 clubs in zone football voted for 2 grades only

I believe there is already a separate comp for thirds - All Age

Wait, so 13 clubs from ZL2 and ZL3 voted for Thirds?

Any idea on the league sizes? - Sticking with 11 for ZL1 & ZL2?

[Fred Devils]

Be interesting to understand if the 19 votes were in support of it being ?non-mandated? (want it but don?t care if a couple of clubs in the division don?t have a 3rds) or if they actually ?don?t want 3rds?.

Draft comp format will be discussed at the ZFL Meeting at NF in a couple of weeks on the 23rd is what was mentioned at the meeting the other week.

[Taffy]

2 grade model across all tiers

Well known for at least 6 months now


Possible separate comp for clubs who want thirds

Really the best way to go about it, wonder if Dudley will be allowed to have their thirds remain and be part of that comp.


Interesting 6 from 12 clubs from this season voted for optional or removal of thirds

I don't believe this, many people on this forum told me that every club they spoke to wanted to keep their thirds.


19 of 32 clubs in zone football voted for 2 grades only

Hardly a shock, it was always a small minority of teams that were insistent that the only reason the game existed and managed to survive in the Hunter Valley was because of thirds.

[Taffy]

Wait, so 13 clubs from ZL2 and ZL3 voted for Thirds?

7 clubs from ZL2 and ZL3 voted for thirds.

[MurderOnZidanesFloor]

Disappointing outcome for ZL, there will be several disgruntled clubs.

Let?s hope those wanting a 3rd grade squad can be catered for effectively.

[samcan]

And any of those lower clubs should be allowed to enter a 3rd grade into ZL2

Picked it. Committee just reading these posts.

If theres a joint 3rd grade comp we need to avoid byes & try to have clubs playing at home with other grades where possible.

[samcan]

Disappointing outcome for ZL, there will be several disgruntled clubs.
Let?s hope those wanting a 3rd grade squad can be catered for effectively.

Still cant believe players will be shattered by missing out on 3rds.
Newcastle has lots of comps. Could put a 2nd team into ZL4 in 2026? I think most are disappointed because many think their too good to play AA.

[Zonal Marking]

Interesting times ahead

Allegedly

2 grade model across all tiers

Possible separate comp for clubs who want thirds

Interesting 6 from 12 clubs from this season voted for optional or removal of thirds

19 of 32 clubs in zone football voted for 2 grades only

Suns
Cardiff
Kotara
Warners Bay
Mayfield
Uni

So that means

Olympic
Swansea
Azzurri
Westlakes
Minmi
Croatia

So this means the latter 3 clubs all voted against having third grade

[ForeverRed]

Disappointing outcome for ZL, there will be several disgruntled clubs.

Let?s hope those wanting a 3rd grade squad can be catered for effectively.
They are already catered for, go play in lower division or all age or o35

[Zone Insider]

Suns
Cardiff
Kotara
Warners Bay
Mayfield
Uni

So that means

Olympic
Swansea
Azzurri
Westlakes
Minmi
Croatia

So this means the latter 3 clubs all voted against having third grade

Clubs from this seasons zone 1

Remove Croatia and Dudley was not counted apparently.

[Taffy]

Clubs from this seasons zone 1

Remove Croatia and Dudley was not counted apparently.

Which means 6 of these clubs voted for it either being optional or to be removed

Olympic
Swansea
Azzurri
Westlakes
Minmi
Suns
Cardiff
Kotara
Warners Bay
Mayfield
Uni

And that 5 of them voted for 3rds to remain

[namwob99]

Draft comp format will be discussed at the ZFL Meeting at NF in a couple of weeks on the 23rd is what was mentioned at the meeting the other week.

Odds of it being another 90 min discussion re: 3rd grade?!

[Zonal Marking]

They are already catered for, go play in lower division or all age or o35

With your ties to Dudley I am not sure you would be so outspoken on this opinion if they were still in the competition.

[Zonal Marking]

Which means 6 of these clubs voted for it either being optional or to be removed

Olympic
Swansea
Azzurri
Westlakes
Minmi
Suns
Cardiff
Kotara
Warners Bay
Mayfield
Uni

And that 5 of them voted for 3rds to remain

Well I can name at least 6 of those teams who would definitely prefer to keep their 3rd grade so Insiders numbers are not adding up.

[Taffy]

Well I can name at least 6 of those teams who would definitely prefer to keep their 3rd grade so Insiders numbers are not adding up.

Prefer to keep or would have voted that it must remain? You could still prefer to keep your 3rds but have voted to make it an optional competition.

[ForeverRed]

With your ties to Dudley I am not sure you would be so outspoken on this opinion if they were still in the competition.
I don?t have an opinion, I wasn?t outspoken, murder hoped they were catered for and I gave some options, couldn?t care less to be honest

[Zonal Marking]

I don?t have an opinion, I wasn?t outspoken, murder hoped they were catered for and I gave some options, couldn?t care less to be honest

Asking those guys to go and play for another club is not exactly catering for them

[Taffy]

Asking those guys to go and play for another club is not exactly catering for them

Don't all these clubs have AA and O35 teams already?

[Nou Camp]

Suns
Cardiff
Kotara
Warners Bay
Mayfield
Uni

So that means

Olympic
Swansea
Azzurri
Westlakes
Minmi
Croatia

So this means the latter 3 clubs all voted against having third grade

interestingly most of the clubs wanting to keep thirds usually end up playing finals more consistently in firsts over the last 10 years or so and have been long term ZL1 teams
olympic only small window of measurement
croatia nothing to go off
azzurri used to be all about thirds
swansea were for thirds in the meeting i was told

heard a lot from people that want to keep thirds
would like to hear from more people as to why they dont want it?

[ForeverRed]

Asking those guys to go and play for another club is not exactly catering for them

🤦*♂️🤷*♂️

[Buddha]

interestingly most of the clubs wanting to keep thirds usually end up playing finals more consistently in firsts over the last 10 years or so and have been long term ZL1 teams
olympic only small window of measurement
croatia nothing to go off
azzurri used to be all about thirds
swansea were for thirds in the meeting i was told

heard a lot from people that want to keep thirds
would like to hear from more people as to why they dont want it?

I am genuinely curious as well. Would love to hear the reasons why people do not want 3rds in the comp anymore. A proper serious question to those here

Also, All Age has enough teams in the comp as it is. Removing 3rds to force them into All Age just compounds that problem imo.

[Lofty]

Giving clubs an option was a mistake. There will be a third grade, but it's going to be a mess. And I think that it will be that much of a nuisance that the following year clubs will get the shits with it and not do it and then players will be lost.

Clubs needed to be helped out and those with numbers low could have assistance in getting players across. There should be a minimum requirement of registered players. I can't see how clubs can get through a season with anything less than 45 at the start as an absolute minimum.
The sweet spot is a 10-team comp across the board. I'm sure if you told clubs they'd need to drop down to ZL3 that they would ensure they get the required numbers signed. sand maybe dropping to ZL3 is the reset some clubs might need to build a bit of club morale with getting more wins on the board.

It's no secret that the clubs who focus on a stronger third grade team that they tend to have better results across the board. It's difficult to build a strong squad over time with only two grades and this will be proven now if this new third grade can stick around. Clubs with a third grade will be stronger and the divide in clubs will be bigger.

[Taffy]

I am genuinely curious as well. Would love to hear the reasons why people do not want 3rds in the comp anymore. A proper serious question to those here

One of the reasons club presidents and other committee members told me was the difficulty in getting enough players to make a viable thirds team that didn't rely on needed reserves players to be able to field enough players to put on thirds which then impacted their reserves and 1st grade teams.

With that in mind it is no wonder that nearly 2/3rds of the zone teams (and 1/2 of ZL1) voted to either abolish it entirely or make it an optional grade.

[Taffy]

Giving clubs an option was a mistake.

Yeah should've just abolished it rather than doing what 1/3 of the clubs want.



Clubs needed to be helped out and those with numbers low could have assistance in getting players across.

And what assistance would help them get more players in to play thirds?



The sweet spot is a 10-team comp across the board.

Would certainly help teams get players if you get rid of a couple of clubs.


I'm sure if you told clubs they'd need to drop down to ZL3

May find you have a 16 team ZL2 comp


It's difficult to build a strong squad over time with only two grades and this will be proven now if this new third grade can stick around. Clubs with a third grade will be stronger and the divide in clubs will be bigger.

Considering they are going to then bring in U18s for all zone teams too from 2026 that will alleviate any issue with building strong teams

[Zone Insider]

Giving clubs an option was a mistake. There will be a third grade, but it's going to be a mess. And I think that it will be that much of a nuisance that the following year clubs will get the shits with it and not do it and then players will be lost.

Clubs needed to be helped out and those with numbers low could have assistance in getting players across. There should be a minimum requirement of registered players. I can't see how clubs can get through a season with anything less than 45 at the start as an absolute minimum.
The sweet spot is a 10-team comp across the board. I'm sure if you told clubs they'd need to drop down to ZL3 that they would ensure they get the required numbers signed. sand maybe dropping to ZL3 is the reset some clubs might need to build a bit of club morale with getting more wins on the board.

It's no secret that the clubs who focus on a stronger third grade team that they tend to have better results across the board. It's difficult to build a strong squad over time with only two grades and this will be proven now if this new third grade can stick around. Clubs with a third grade will be stronger and the divide in clubs will be bigger.


I think you will find even clubs who want thirds will pull out next season.

There is no way it can work 100% in having the separate thirds comp play before Reserves and Firsts each weekend.

Basically will be an all age Saturday comp that won?t align with zone squads as clubs would need.

[Zonal Marking]

I am genuinely curious as well. Would love to hear the reasons why people do not want 3rds in the comp anymore. A proper serious question to those here

Also, All Age has enough teams in the comp as it is. Removing 3rds to force them into All Age just compounds that problem imo.

I think it is a risky move eliminating any teams from playing football. If the average zone league squad consists of 45 players well that has now been cut down to roughly 30 playing members

Just going off Zone league One and its 12 teams that has now left approx 180 players shafted and looking for a new club or competition to play in for next season.

I think it would be naive to assume that majority of these players would stick around for all age or move clubs and if I had to bet I would assume a large number of these will be lost to the game completely.

[The Hacker]

I think it is a risky move eliminating any teams from playing football. If the average zone league squad consists of 45 players well that has now been cut down to roughly 30 playing members

Just going off Zone league One and its 12 teams that has now left approx 180 players shafted and looking for a new club or competition to play in for next season.

I think it would be naive to assume that majority of these players would stick around for all age or move clubs and if I had to bet I would assume a large number of these will be lost to the game completely.

Totally agree they will be lost and if the federation takes for instance $200 per player (I?m not sure the figure) that means they loss $36k in revenue. I?m not sure many businesses that would think that?s a smart idea

[Taffy]

Newcastle Football gets about $80/player so significantly less, though if it means they get to start a ZL3 comp then we will see a much higher increase in revenue.

[Zonal Marking]

Newcastle Football gets about $80/player so significantly less, though if it means they get to start a ZL3 comp then we will see a much higher increase in revenue.

But the point we are making is that those players might not be around to start a ZL3 comp

[Taffy]

But the point we are making is that those players might not be around to start a ZL3 comp

When it comes to $$ the association probably doesn't care if it is those players or new players, their $ is worth the same

[Zonal Marking]

When it comes to $$ the association probably doesn't care if it is those players or new players, their $ is worth the same

But where are these new players coming from?

[Jardelsimage]

In the end old mate worded his poll well, 4 choices for a simple question, that's how the pollies do it, give him that, confuse and divide.

He spoke about having less AA and 35's on the night as we can't get enough refs etc and if you want refs play ZL he said, in the end he has or will push more players back to AA or even out of the game, taking away 3rds does not guarantee they stay and make another ZL side.

Bottom line is his/there (being NNSWFA) push to have younger players (ex NPL/NPL1) playing ZL football, after the NPL clubs dump them after realizing they are not good enough and the cash cow of youth football runs out, most clubs in ZL if not all clubs already, have some younger ones coming through the system from the NPL, some might be playing 1st's but majority are playing 3rds and reggies.

Thought process of dropping older players to make way for these younger players (sunset clause??) is another idea destined to fail, i can see the suns telling their players to go back and play where???? AA as you are too old for ZL and you can't play reggies either...

For those who have been around this comp as long as me, we all know that over the years especially the last 15, we have had the discussion to drop or change 3rds to fit in the younger players, the best one being U23's with 4 senior players only, lasted 1 year i think, then back to a normal 3rd grade.

Last one, we all could throw this around all day, some will agree, some will disagree, but in the end, people get remembered for certain things they do, let's all hope for the future of ZL football someone gets remembered for making the right choice....

Sorry one more, i hear Dudley want to put a team in ZL3 and have been told they have to go on a list?? and wait their turn...any truth to this?

[Taffy]

Bottom line is his/there (being NNSWFA) push to have younger players (ex NPL/NPL1) playing ZL football, after the NPL clubs dump them after realizing they are not good enough and the cash cow of youth football runs out, most clubs in ZL if not all clubs already, have some younger ones coming through the system from the NPL, some might be playing 1st's but majority are playing 3rds and reggies.

May find it is some older young ones rather than young ones. From 2026 an NPL 1st grade team sheet will need 3 players under 23 and 2 players under 20. So there will be a need to move out some players in their mid to late 20s from NPL.

End of the day the main reason they are wanting to remove thirds is to allow for easy promotion/relegation between all tiers, ZL2 no longer have to now find a thirds when going up, NL1 don't have to find one when going down, ZL1 don't have to get rid of one when going up and ZL2 don't have to get rid of one when going down.

I also suspect long term plan is to bring in U18s for Zone League as well to also help teams be promoted and relegated.

[Zonal Marking]

May find it is some older young ones rather than young ones. From 2026 an NPL 1st grade team sheet will need 3 players under 23 and 2 players under 20. So there will be a need to move out some players in their mid to late 20s from NPL.

End of the day the main reason they are wanting to remove thirds is to allow for easy promotion/relegation between all tiers, ZL2 no longer have to now find a thirds when going up, NL1 don't have to find one when going down, ZL1 don't have to get rid of one when going up and ZL2 don't have to get rid of one when going down.

I also suspect long term plan is to bring in U18s for Zone League as well to also help teams be promoted and relegated.

Look in the long run it may work and might be the way forward. However in the short term it is going to cause a lot of damage and unrest and the successful clubs in particular are going to be punished for these changes.

I will use Suns third grade this year as an example. Quite a young team who had a very successful season and were probably good enough to have finished mid table in the reserve grade competition.

So what happens to those 15 players now? You send them back to an all age competition? That to me seems like a big step back and does not sit right at all.

Maybe they try and move to another club in the league however spots are now at a premium. I just feel a lot of players are being left out to dry.

This applies for probably half a dozen clubs as well. Im just using Suns as an example.

[Zone Insider]

For transparency NF should have detailed each club and their vote on thirds.

What is there to hide ?

I don?t believe the numbers they posted.

[Taffy]

I'm not advocating for or against getting rid of or retaining thirds, do I do think some of the discourse as to why they must stay has been exaggerated. No doubt some of those young thirds players are good enough to be in reserves and potentially looking to take those spots, perhaps some reserves are ready to go into 1sts as well and hopefully be able to score more than 1 goal in open play against 8 players for 40 mins. Shouldn't be a case of going you were in thirds this year so you later.

[Zonal Marking]

I'm not advocating for or against getting rid of or retaining thirds, do I do think some of the discourse as to why they must stay has been exaggerated. No doubt some of those young thirds players are good enough to be in reserves and potentially looking to take those spots, perhaps some reserves are ready to go into 1sts as well and hopefully be able to score more than 1 goal in open play against 8 players for 40 mins. Shouldn't be a case of going you were in thirds this year so you later.

Well some of those young players might hang around but you can only have roughly a squad of 30 so either way 15 current players are being politely told their services are no longer required

[anfield]

May find it is some older young ones rather than young ones. From 2026 an NPL 1st grade team sheet will need 3 players under 23 and 2 players under 20. So there will be a need to move out some players in their mid to late 20s from NPL.

End of the day the main reason they are wanting to remove thirds is to allow for easy promotion/relegation between all tiers, ZL2 no longer have to now find a thirds when going up, NL1 don't have to find one when going down, ZL1 don't have to get rid of one when going up and ZL2 don't have to get rid of one when going down.

I also suspect long term plan is to bring in U18s for Zone League as well to also help teams be promoted and relegated.

Surely NPL isn't going towards an age restrictions for First Grade match days? That would be ridiculous and a disaster.

In any other walk of life discrimination rules prevent alot of decisions based on factors that include age. Why prevent players older then 23 from playing first grade. I know it's the wrong forum but that post made me concerned and frustrated. Nothing wrong with the post, but the topic is concerning.

[Nou Camp]

May find it is some older young ones rather than young ones. From 2026 an NPL 1st grade team sheet will need 3 players under 23 and 2 players under 20. So there will be a need to move out some players in their mid to late 20s from NPL.

End of the day the main reason they are wanting to remove thirds is to allow for easy promotion/relegation between all tiers, ZL2 no longer have to now find a thirds when going up, NL1 don't have to find one when going down, ZL1 don't have to get rid of one when going up and ZL2 don't have to get rid of one when going down.

I also suspect long term plan is to bring in U18s for Zone League as well to also help teams be promoted and relegated.

NNSWF and FFA constantly making changes over the last 20 years and for what???? have they made the game any better in that time
game is more expensive to play than ever
a league on life support
hardly any aussies playing in top 5 leagues in europe let alone dominating
NPL crowds are terrible
NNSWF have hardly produced any decent players
football executives getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars
Junior national teams losing to minnows and only made 1 out of last 4 olympics
i could go on for a while
but yeh lets make more and more changes

[Nou Camp]

I'm not advocating for or against getting rid of or retaining thirds, do I do think some of the discourse as to why they must stay has been exaggerated. No doubt some of those young thirds players are good enough to be in reserves and potentially looking to take those spots, perhaps some reserves are ready to go into 1sts as well and hopefully be able to score more than 1 goal in open play against 8 players for 40 mins. Shouldn't be a case of going you were in thirds this year so you later.

Lol just worry about Croatia,
spending saudi money to scrape through comps against people just playing for the shirt
we have done pretty good for ourselves over the years (without paying a cent)

[Kicktheball]

Absolute comical decision if they plan on removing third grade. What actually goes through these peoples minds. You are playing the best version of Zone League, suck it up and find a team for 3rd grade.

Diminishing club culture by tapping 15 blokes on the shoulder and telling them that sorry we don't have a spot for you this season.

Reevaluate your decision and think of how many people this will affect. I also do not believe the survey/poll results, we had such a great year in ZPL this year and now they backflip to align this grade with the top grades.

Zone football is in a perfect spot, keep third grade, and move on with it.

I will be attending the meeting that is being held in the coming weeks.

[Mr Beautiful 2.0]

What happened to the Zone league cup? The idea got floated years ago by me and like all great ideas it seems to have fallen upon deaf ears.
A single leg knockout competition for all first-grade teams across zone league divisions. Hosted by Suns & Dudley over summer, 60 min games that go straight to penalties.
R1 32 teams, R2 16 teams, R3 8 teams R4 4 teams R5 Grand final.

As for ex npl youth coming to zone league, sadly often not good enough for 3rds, you will see better football played on the streets of Brazil by 8 year olds than the stuff we witness on npl pitches.

[Jardelsimage]

May find it is some older young ones rather than young ones. From 2026 an NPL 1st grade team sheet will need 3 players under 23 and 2 players under 20. So there will be a need to move out some players in their mid to late 20s from NPL.

End of the day the main reason they are wanting to remove thirds is to allow for easy promotion/relegation between all tiers, ZL2 no longer have to now find a thirds when going up, NL1 don't have to find one when going down, ZL1 don't have to get rid of one when going up and ZL2 don't have to get rid of one when going down.

I also suspect long term plan is to bring in U18s for Zone League as well to also help teams be promoted and relegated.

If this is true, it shows how disillusioned Northern are and also shows how much of a lacky for Northern is NF.
We had Edgy train at our ground this year, 90% were under 20.

Imagine it happening in the EPL if Man City says see ya Hagland, to old we have to a couple of 20 year olds play, that's the rules...

Football around here and the country needs to get back to basics, if a kid is good enough, he plays, if not he doesn't, giving spots based on age is the catalyst for disaster, what's next colour or race, maybe you have to be the 2nd born of a worn torn country in the middle east. FMD

[Bremsstrahlung]

Stipulations on first grade is ridiculous.

All clubs should be aiming to put out their best teams regardless of age. Playing first grade should be because you’re one of the best 11 players in your club that week. Not because you need to tick a box and you’re of a particular age.

Leave all the stipulations for lesser grades.

If somebody 20-23 needs this age restriction business to get a gig in first grade, they shouldn’t be there.


Our NPL first grade should be the best players week in week out. If you are good enough, you are young or old enough.

[prawnhead]

May find it is some older young ones rather than young ones. From 2026 an NPL 1st grade team sheet will need 3 players under 23 and 2 players under 20. So there will be a need to move out some players in their mid to late 20s from NPL.

End of the day the main reason they are wanting to remove thirds is to allow for easy promotion/relegation between all tiers, ZL2 no longer have to now find a thirds when going up, NL1 don't have to find one when going down, ZL1 don't have to get rid of one when going up and ZL2 don't have to get rid of one when going down.

I also suspect long term plan is to bring in U18s for Zone League as well to also help teams be promoted and relegated.

For someone who?s just a player at Croatia Taffy, you sure know a heck of a lot about off the park stuff. Croatia are lucky to have you.

I?ve heard same about age changes in NPL season 2026 with younger player rules. As an add on, I?ve heard that some of these younger players will have to have come through the club?s junior system. I?m mates with a couple of current NPL 1st team coaches, and both have said 2025 will be their last season due to said changes for 2026.

[northern_swan]

Surely NPL isn't going towards an age restrictions for First Grade match days? That would be ridiculous and a disaster.

In any other walk of life discrimination rules prevent alot of decisions based on factors that include age. Why prevent players older then 23 from playing first grade. I know it's the wrong forum but that post made me concerned and frustrated. Nothing wrong with the post, but the topic is concerning.

I?m not going in to bat for Northern here, but are these changes being pushed down from FA? If I?m not mistaken, these kind of rules are present in other NPLs around the country, so are Northern being ?mandated? to implement the same here?

[Two tone]

I?m not going in to bat for Northern here, but are these changes being pushed down from FA? If I?m not mistaken, these kind of rules are present in other NPLs around the country, so are Northern being ?mandated? to implement the same here?

Yep it?s coming down from the top.
Now a saying comes to mind.
That the fish rots from the head.

[samcan]

Stipulations on first grade is ridiculous.

All clubs should be aiming to put out their best teams regardless of age. Playing first grade should be because you’re one of the best 11 players in your club that week. Not because you need to tick a box and you’re of a particular age.

Totally agree. Making 1st grade at 17 because its fully deserved is awesome. As a token, its a false commodity.


Absolute comical decision if they plan on removing third grade. What actually goes through these peoples minds. You are playing the best version of Zone League, suck it up and find a team for 3rd grade.
Diminishing club culture by tapping 15 blokes on the shoulder and telling them that sorry we don't have a spot for you this season.

But at this point 3rds is still there right? So do they need to cut anyone?

We need a ZL4

[Builtwithlove18]

Croatia would love to know who taffy is….

[Zonal Marking]

Croatia would love to know who taffy is?.

I thought he was their first grade coach?

[Builtwithlove18]

I thought he was their first grade coach?

Big fella hates this forum?.his too busy making Croatia great

[Taffy]

(without paying a cent)

Bullshit

[Taffy]

If this is true, it shows how disillusioned Northern are and also shows how much of a lacky for Northern is NF.
We had Edgy train at our ground this year, 90% were under 20.

That's because you had their U18s there.

Though since their 1st grade squad is published by Northern it is not that hard to see that 16 of their 20 players were over the age of 20. Half were born in the 90s. For those who can't believe it the 90s ended 25 years ago.



Imagine it happening in the EPL if Man City says see ya Hagland, to old we have to a couple of 20 year olds play, that's the rules...

EPL doesn't nor does the A-League, though you will find various restrictions in place including age as you go down the English Football Pyramid.

[Taffy]

I?ve heard same about age changes in NPL season 2026 with younger player rules. As an add on, I?ve heard that some of these younger players will have to have come through the club?s junior system. I?m mates with a couple of current NPL 1st team coaches, and both have said 2025 will be their last season due to said changes for 2026.

Yes that is true, need 3 home grown players that spent 3 years at the club before turning 21. Jason Hoffman meets this criteria at Olympic for example.


a couple of current NPL 1st team coaches, and both have said 2025 will be their last season due to said changes for 2026.

Good, we get to see some fresh blood (I doubt they will be quitting), most clubs wouldn't be that far away from meeting the requirements anyway.

It's all here for those interested https://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news/new-player-roster-principles-be-introduced-npl-senior-mens-competitions


I?m not going in to bat for Northern here, but are these changes being pushed down from FA? If I?m not mistaken, these kind of rules are present in other NPLs around the country, so are Northern being ?mandated? to implement the same here?

Yes it is an FA requirement for all NPL competitions from 2026

[Taffy]

Stipulations on first grade is ridiculous.

All clubs should be aiming to put out their best teams regardless of age. Playing first grade should be because you?re one of the best 11 players in your club that week. Not because you need to tick a box and you?re of a particular age.

Of course then you get comments like this


NNSWF have hardly produced any decent players

And we wonder why youth players aren't getting time when we can just fill the league with ex a-league players.

Anyway this is better for a discussion on the NPL thread since that's the only league this affects

[Jardelsimage]

That's because you had their U18s there.

Though since their 1st grade squad is published by Northern it is not that hard to see that 16 of their 20 players were over the age of 20. Half were born in the 90s. For those who can't believe it the 90s ended 25 years ago.


It was defiantly their 1st and reggies mate...sorry Chris, you weren't there.


EPL doesn't nor does the A-League, though you will find various restrictions in place including age as you go down the English Football Pyramid.

This was an example of how stupid it would sound like if the EPL had it...that's all...

[Taffy]

This was an example of how stupid it would sound like if the EPL had it...that's all...

I think you missed a quote mark, but regardless the player roster is published by Northern for everyone to see, 16 of their 20 players on their 1st grade roster were 20+

[Jardelsimage]

I think you missed a quote mark, but regardless the player roster is published by Northern for everyone to see, 16 of their 20 players on their 1st grade roster were 20+

wouldn't be by much, can you give me a break down?

[Taffy]

wouldn't be by much, can you give me a break down?

https://www.northernnswfootball.com.au/sites/nnswf/files/2024-05/approved_edgeworth_fc_phase_2_-_17.05.2024.pdf

Here you go, Average age is 23.7 which is one of the younger 2024 squads, I think Lakes were the only younger one at 21 years. 9 from 20 were born in the 90s.

The new rules won't be affecting Edgeworth too much except of course some of these players will be 2 years older.

[The Magician]

https://www.northernnswfootball.com.au/sites/nnswf/files/2024-05/approved_edgeworth_fc_phase_2_-_17.05.2024.pdf

Here you go, Average age is 23.7 which is one of the younger 2024 squads, I think Lakes were the only younger one at 21 years. 9 from 20 were born in the 90s.

The new rules won't be affecting Edgeworth too much except of course some of these players will be 2 years older.

Lakes were 21.5, Magic were the next youngest at 23.1... then Adamstown 23.5.. then Edgeworth

[Nou Camp]

Bullshit

happy for you to go through the books with a forensic accountant to put the rumour to bed once and for all

[Taffy]

Lakes were 21.5, Magic were the next youngest at 23.1... then Adamstown 23.5.. then Edgeworth

Thanks for that. Not that I am sure what the point was, bad that FA are bringing in these rules for 2026 and that Edgeworth already meet these regulations, or it was good that they they already met them.

[Builtwithlove18]

Not sure if you guys didn’t notice this is a zone league chat, we don’t care about NPL

[Bulldogs 1962]

happy for you to go through the books with a forensic accountant to put the rumour to bed once and for all

Why would anyone look at your books for payments. Everyone knows that the player payments aren't recorded. Just because you don't write them down doesn't mean they all of a sudden don't happen

[Nou Camp]

Why would anyone look at your books for payments. Everyone knows that the player payments aren't recorded. Just because you don't write them down doesn't mean they all of a sudden don't happen

What are you writing it in your books as an expense if you pay a player? did you pay buy $30000 worth of toilet paper for the year, $45k of miscellaneous?
as a not for profit you dont pay tax but you keep detailed financials as you must show them at AGM where members can ask questions of them
By NSW law youre required to hold an AGM every year and show financials and submit those to the nsw government (cant remember which body atm)

[Mr Beautiful 2.0]

Not sure if you guys didn’t notice this is a zone league chat, we don’t care about NPL

Couldn’t agree more looks like the npl is at a new all time low in terms of interest and they’re trying to bring its ugly head to zone league fans. We should be discussing the exciting signings taking place in the league not focusing on npl. Latest rumours Olympic have captured the lanky bearded centre back from its NPL first team. Hopefully he can add some experience to their backline and blood some of the squad’s youngsters to improve their defensive prowess. Will be a remarkable signing if the rumours are true, they will soon no longer be the dark horses of the competition but potentially the stallion leading the pack with Croatia closely behind them. Very exciting times ahead

[Bulldogs 1962]

What are you writing it in your books as an expense if you pay a player? did you pay buy $30000 worth of toilet paper for the year, $45k of miscellaneous?
as a not for profit you dont pay tax but you keep detailed financials as you must show them at AGM where members can ask questions of them
By NSW law youre required to hold an AGM every year and show financials and submit those to the nsw government (cant remember which body atm)

Haha, yes I'm sure every single dollar is recorded in your books, you keep telling us that. And if it makes you happy keep thinking we're all stupid enough to not know that the cash in hand payments happen

[Lofty]

Haha, yes I'm sure every single dollar is recorded in your books, you keep telling us that. And if it makes you happy keep thinking we're all stupid enough to not know that the cash in hand payments happen

It's actually hilarious that people like you still genuinely think we have ever paid a player a single dollar. Stop wasting space on the forum with utter nonsense.
The fact you think it and believe it, is a massive compliment - so thank you.
You can sit at home repeatedly writing what you want, I can't stop you. But I'm really sorry to burst your bubble buddy, the facts are we have never and still don't.

[Bulldogs 1962]

It's actually hilarious that people like you still genuinely think we have ever paid a player a single dollar. Stop wasting space on the forum with utter nonsense.
The fact you think it and believe it, is a massive compliment - so thank you.
You can sit at home repeatedly writing what you want, I can't stop you. But I'm really sorry to burst your bubble buddy, the facts are we have never and still don't.

Don't have to "think" it happens, when I know factually it's true. And I couldn't care less that you do it. Only part that annoys me is the bullshit claims that you don't. If everyone just admitted to it, then it wouldn't be a topic.

If it done officially or of the books ( golden handshakes in the shed) who cares, just don't lie about it

[Lofty]

Don't have to "think" it happens, when I know factually it's true. And I couldn't care less that you do it. Only part that annoys me is the bullshit claims that you don't. If everyone just admitted to it, then it wouldn't be a topic.

If it done officially or of the books ( golden handshakes in the shed) who cares, just don't lie about it

You are delusional mate. Living in some fantasy world if you think that.
Much like our players play for free, happy to keep living in your head rent free. You can make all the claims you like, but it's just boring for everyone else to listen to this regurgitated drivel now.
I think many of clubs have proven that player payments isn't sustainable, it's a slippery slope once you start.
Enjoy the rest of your day.

[Taffy]

Much like our players play for free

Admission

[Addios]

NO CASH. Driveways, kitchens, gifts can be an alternative. If players can make a deal good for them.

[Lofty]

You guys know how stupid you sound, right?

A club that has fought to retain a community status, that has fought and values third grade for a pathway through our club to ensure we build on longevity of players throughout our club.
There's now a clear path for clubs that want to progress through the tiers of football. Do you not think if we were a club prepared to pay for players that we would be pushing to take our club to a higher level rather than the opposite?
That's just not where we sit, we value being a community club. We value the culture and connection to why our club was formed.

It's great that clubs are ambitious and have the backing to progress, it's certainly needed in Newcastle.

Community level football is just as important as premier football in Newcastle.

[Bulldogs 1962]

You are delusional mate. Living in some fantasy world if you think that.
Much like our players play for free, happy to keep living in your head rent free. You can make all the claims you like, but it's just boring for everyone else to listen to this regurgitated drivel now.
I think many of clubs have proven that player payments isn't sustainable, it's a slippery slope once you start.
Enjoy the rest of your day.

Can't help but feel like I've struck a nerve here with you. It's alright if you never got paid like the others did. We won't judge you for that.

I'll make my mind up from my own sources, instead of taking you're word for it. I found yours to not always be correct.

[Lofty]

Can't help but feel like I've struck a nerve here with you. It's alright if you never got paid like the others did. We won't judge you for that.

I'll make my mind up from my own sources, instead of taking you're word for it. I found yours to not always be correct.

No nerves hit, I literally think it's hilarious.

[Nou Camp]

Admission

why is it that we are suppose to believe you about everything croatia related you say but anything we say about the suns isnt believable?


Can't help but feel like I've struck a nerve here with you. It's alright if you never got paid like the others did. We won't judge you for that.

I'll make my mind up from my own sources, instead of taking you're word for it. I found yours to not always be correct.

have a think about it about everything you have heard about anything around football (goes on just about anything really not just football) in newcastle you havent seen with your own 2 eyes turning out to be true, let alone everything you have read on here actually turning out to be real
Id say out of everything ive read on here about 30% of would actually be correct as for the rest of things ive heard geeez anyones guess

it may strike a nerve for anyone when youre accused of doing something you arnt doing, you would defend yourself if you heard incorrect things about you? would be easier to just keep quiet if we were and go about our days
Would happily admit it if we were paying, its not illegal, unethical, something others arnt doing etc etc
the club has struggled to find a full time first grade keeper for years now, if we were paying players could probably solve that issue in 5 minutes

Ever considered those sources of yours could be wrong? all chinese whispers and rumours going round and youre taking them as factual

[Builtwithlove18]

You guys know how stupid you sound, right?

A club that has fought to retain a community status, that has fought and values third grade for a pathway through our club to ensure we build on longevity of players throughout our club.
There's now a clear path for clubs that want to progress through the tiers of football. Do you not think if we were a club prepared to pay for players that we would be pushing to take our club to a higher level rather than the opposite?
That's just not where we sit, we value being a community club. We value the culture and connection to why our club was formed.

It's great that clubs are ambitious and have the backing to progress, it's certainly needed in Newcastle.

Community level football is just as important as premier football in Newcastle.

According to your president you guys are pushing to go to a higher level ?

[Builtwithlove18]

why is it that we are suppose to believe you about everything croatia related you say but anything we say about the suns isnt believable?



have a think about it about everything you have heard about anything around football (goes on just about anything really not just football) in newcastle you havent seen with your own 2 eyes turning out to be true, let alone everything you have read on here actually turning out to be real
Id say out of everything ive read on here about 30% of would actually be correct as for the rest of things ive heard geeez anyones guess

it may strike a nerve for anyone when youre accused of doing something you arnt doing, you would defend yourself if you heard incorrect things about you? would be easier to just keep quiet if we were and go about our days
Would happily admit it if we were paying, its not illegal, unethical, something others arnt doing etc etc
the club has struggled to find a full time first grade keeper for years now, if we were paying players could probably solve that issue in 5 minutes

Ever considered those sources of yours could be wrong? all chinese whispers and rumours going round and youre taking them as factual


May I ask….what club are you associated with ?

[WOW2.0]

If this is true, it shows how disillusioned Northern are and also shows how much of a lacky for Northern is NF.
We had Edgy train at our ground this year, 90% were under 20.

Imagine it happening in the EPL if Man City says see ya Hagland, to old we have to a couple of 20 year olds play, that's the rules...

Football around here and the country needs to get back to basics, if a kid is good enough, he plays, if not he doesn't, giving spots based on age is the catalyst for disaster, what's next colour or race, maybe you have to be the 2nd born of a worn torn country in the middle east. FMD

EPL does have some restrictions to squad lists (so doubtless some good players do have to be moved on)

Talking about the Home Grown Player (HGP) criteria

8 of the 25 squad members must meet this requirement (32% of every squad)

The aim of that is to also improve the development opportunities within the football system

[Buddha]

EPL does have some restrictions to squad lists (so doubtless some good players do have to be moved on)

Talking about the Home Grown Player (HGP) criteria

8 of the 25 squad members must meet this requirement (32% of every squad)

The aim of that is to also improve the development opportunities within the football system

There is a huge difference between Squad Lists and Team Sheets though.

Putting HG players on a list is fine. Having to include 3 players under 23 and 2 players under 20 in your matchday team sheet just to fill a quota is nonsense and an argument can be made it ruins the integrity of the competition in doing so.

Getting the call up to 1sts as a youngster was an amazing feeling because it felt like you were rewarded for your efforts in 3rds/Ressies over the season.

Having it handed to me simply because I was required to fill a silly quota would make it feel unworthy and a false commodity.

[WOW2.0]

There is a huge difference between Squad Lists and Team Sheets though.

Putting HG players on a list is fine. Having to include 3 players under 23 and 2 players under 20 in your matchday team sheet just to fill a quota is nonsense and an argument can be made it ruins the integrity of the competition in doing so.

Getting the call up to 1sts as a youngster was an amazing feeling because it felt like you were rewarded for your efforts in 3rds/Ressies over the season.

Having it handed to me simply because I was required to fill a silly quota would make it feel unworthy and a false commodity.

Oh, absolutely...was just pointing out that there are indeed applicable restrictions in the EPL (I'm not saying it was good, or bad) :)

[Zonal Marking]

May I ask?.what club are you associated with ?

He is from the Suns

[Builtwithlove18]

According to the president, really. hahahahahahaha

Nice to know you are on the forum mate….congratulations on revealing yourself.

[Zone Insider]

New management at NF but seems nothing has changed.

Clubs waiting days on end for a simple email reply on basic matters.

Nearly 4 weeks post GFs and some clubs still have not received their bonuses.

What do they get paid for ?

[Nou Camp]

New management at NF but seems nothing has changed.

Clubs waiting days on end for a simple email reply on basic matters.

Nearly 4 weeks post GFs and some clubs still have not received their bonuses.

What do they get paid for ?

i heard the person at NF who handled all the payments and invoicing left a while back and they have been late with everything since

only what ive heard, may not be true

[Jardelsimage]

i heard the person at NF who handled all the payments and invoicing left a while back and they have been late with everything since

only what ive heard, may not be true

we've been paid

[ZLWB]

It's no secret that the clubs who focus on a stronger third grade team that they tend to have better results across the board. It's difficult to build a strong squad over time with only two grades and this will be proven now if this new third grade can stick around. Clubs with a third grade will be stronger and the divide in clubs will be bigger.

Hear hear !

[Zone Insider]

Hearing separate third grade comp with 2 conferences ?

2 grades across all zone comps?

[Fred Devils]

4 clubs in ZL1 this season didn't nominate 3rds for next year, only 1 from ZL2 this season didn't nominate but 3 clubs ZL3 did nominate. Looks like those ZL1 clubs are the ones letting down 3rds, not NF!

[Jardelsimage]

4 clubs in ZL1 this season didn't nominate 3rds for next year, only 1 from ZL2 this season didn't nominate but 3 clubs ZL3 did nominate. Looks like those ZL1 clubs are the ones letting down 3rds, not NF!

Westlakes(expected) they said last night they will be back with 3rds hopefully the year after.
Olympic ran 3rd, 6th, 6th not sure why they wouldn't go for having a 3rds, the club had a good year, only 1 win away from all 3 grades in the semis.
Azzurri ran 10th, 7th, 8th the peoples club, struggled a bit this year, is dropping 3rds from their roster the answer??
Who was the 4th team???

[Zone Insider]

Westlakes(expected) they said last night they will be back with 3rds hopefully the year after.
Olympic ran 3rd, 6th, 6th not sure why they wouldn't go for having a 3rds, the club had a good year, only 1 win away from all 3 grades in the semis.
Azzurri ran 10th, 7th, 8th the peoples club, struggled a bit this year, is dropping 3rds from their roster the answer??
Who was the 4th team???

Sounds like Azzurri and Olympic are taking the easy way out and can?t be bothered with 3rds.

Surprising from the so called peoples in Azzurri. You would think now that they are moving to Smith Park it will be easier to attract players.

[Fred Devils]

Westlakes(expected) they said last night they will be back with 3rds hopefully the year after.
Olympic ran 3rd, 6th, 6th not sure why they wouldn't go for having a 3rds, the club had a good year, only 1 win away from all 3 grades in the semis.
Azzurri ran 10th, 7th, 8th the peoples club, struggled a bit this year, is dropping 3rds from their roster the answer??
Who was the 4th team???

Azzuri, Olympic, Westlakes and Minmi from this season's ZL1, Southern from ZL2 and then from ZL3 this season we've got Kurri, Merewether United and Nelson Bay nominating a 3rds.

[Jardelsimage]

Sounds like Azzurri and Olympic are taking the easy way out and can?t be bothered with 3rds.

Surprising from the so called peoples in Azzurri. You would think now that they are moving to Smith Park it will be easier to attract players.

New lights and drainage at Smith Park, what about facilities are they getting upgraded also?

[Zone Insider]

New lights and drainage at Smith Park, what about facilities are they getting upgraded also?

Eventually yes according to the council plans.

[Buddha]

New lights and drainage at Smith Park, what about facilities are they getting upgraded also?

Honestly the drainage was fine there. IMO the lights (literally only one lightpole) and the facilities should have been the priority.

[MCG_1997]

Has Stocko got promoted to ZL1?
Who has voluntary gone down?

[Jardelsimage]

Has Stocko got promoted to ZL1?
Who has voluntary gone down?

Minmi down, Dudley up left ZL1 with 11, Stocko filled the spot.

[Zone Insider]

Minmi down, Dudley up left ZL1 with 11, Stocko filled the spot.

Surprised Stockton accepted. From what I heard is they never wanted to go up.

Also another club with no coach atm

[Builtwithlove18]

Surprised Stockton accepted. From what I heard is they never wanted to go up.

Also another club with no coach atm



They seemed very interested in going up when they were 7 points clear of Croatia?.

[Mr Beautiful 2.0]

I wonder if Stockton will face the similar criticism Croatia did when they were promoted without winning minor premiership. I guess no since majority of Zl 1 teams welcome easy competition and are afraid of any club that might challenge their position as a mid tier zl1 club.

[Lofty]

I wonder if Stockton will face the similar criticism Croatia did when they were promoted without winning minor premiership. I guess no since majority of Zl 1 teams welcome easy competition and are afraid of any club that might challenge their position as a mid tier zl1 club.

You’re going to have to do some research and find who they were and ask them for yourself. I’ve always thought Croatia will be a great addition to ZL1 and I feel them same about Stockton. Should be a good season.

[MCG_1997]

As a neutral to this league, I predict a stronger and more exciting season is ahead in 2025. Can't wait to watch a few games next year.

[Zone Insider]

As a neutral to this league, I predict a stronger and more exciting season is ahead in 2025. Can't wait to watch a few games next year.

Opening round should be good if what I?m hearing of a magic round for first grade goes ahead

[riverboy]

Opening round should be good if what I?m hearing of a magic round for first grade goes ahead

It will be as popular as unite round in the A League.

[straightred88]

It will be as popular as unite round in the A League.

Do people still watch that Z League ?

[Jardelsimage]

Opening round should be good if what I?m hearing of a magic round for first grade goes ahead

More info please, have heard some talk about this, no details supplied, what's the good part?

[Alton]

More info please, have heard some talk about this, no details supplied, what's the good part?

Have to be at your ground Mario

[Jardelsimage]

Have to be at your ground Mario

not sure what the go with it is, no details given unless i missed the email....or i turned off a bit at the meeting..

[Builtwithlove18]

Have to be at your ground Mario

Apparently magic round is being played at number 2 sports ground

[Jardelsimage]

Apparently magic round is being played at number 2 sports ground

Isn't it only an idea from the meeting, that was thrown out there.

Love to see how this will be run...

[Zone Insider]

Isn't it only an idea from the meeting, that was thrown out there.

Love to see how this will be run...

Simple - all first grade fixtures on the Saturday at the same venue back to back

You would assume the day will be run by NF

[Jardelsimage]

Simple - all first grade fixtures on the Saturday at the same venue back to back

You would assume the day will be run by NF

what 6 games on the one day?
start at 9am, finish at 9pm

[Zone Insider]

what 6 games on the one day?
start at 9am, finish at 9pm

I?m hearing that was the plan lol

Unless they split it over the weekend with 3 Saturday and 3 Sunday

Who knows for sure with NF

[Taffy]

And what about reserves? And the Conference teams?

[Addios]

And what about reserves? And the Conference teams?

I don't about this. Sounds like sh*t fight.

Lets not pander to the social construct of other national sports and stick to getting our own game improved starting with better & more facilities etc.

[Zone Insider]

And what about reserves? And the Conference teams?

Everyone?s favorite - mid week

[Builtwithlove18]

Isn't it only an idea from the meeting, that was thrown out there.

Love to see how this will be run...

Not sure as I wasn?t at the meeting?but that?s what the rumour is.

I think it?s a great idea

[Jardelsimage]

Not sure as I wasn?t at the meeting?but that?s what the rumour is.

I think it?s a great idea

you would...

[Builtwithlove18]

you would...


Don?t you think it?s a good idea ?

[Jardelsimage]

Don?t you think it?s a good idea ?

not really, how about we get the season up and running and maybe look into the year after, if its needed.

Remember, there is no plan as such currently, unless it's in his head just waiting to pop out.

Will we get to vote on this or will it just be said it's happening?

Basic questions?

1. Where at?
2. Times? games on 1 day or 2?
3. What happens to lower grades?
4. Canteen?
5. What benefit to individual clubs does it give.
6. Clubs loss of revenue, who will want to give up a home game?
7. Do we really need a Magic round?

Probably a few more to throw in...if your thought about it..

Run at me...

[Builtwithlove18]

not really, how about we get the season up and running and maybe look into the year after, if its needed.

Remember, there is no plan as such currently, unless it's in his head just waiting to pop out.

Will we get to vote on this or will it just be said it's happening?

Basic questions?

1. Where at?
2. Times? games on 1 day or 2?
3. What happens to lower grades?
4. Canteen?
5. What benefit to individual clubs does it give.
6. Clubs loss of revenue, who will want to give up a home game?
7. Do we really need a Magic round?

Probably a few more to throw in...if your thought about it..

Run at me...


I?m sure all those questions will be answered when it?s all set in stone?.

[Taffy]

Will we get to vote on this or will it just be said it's happening?

The worst idea is to give clubs a vote



6. Clubs loss of revenue, who will want to give up a home game?
7. Do we really need a Magic round?

Very valid questions.

[MCG_1997]

Any news regarding to coaching announcements? There are a few teams that yet to find one.

[straightred88]

Any news regarding to coaching announcements? There are a few teams that yet to find one.

Heard Ben Kantarovski taking over at Suns.

[stopper2]

not really, how about we get the season up and running and maybe look into the year after, if its needed.

Remember, there is no plan as such currently, unless it's in his head just waiting to pop out.

Will we get to vote on this or will it just be said it's happening?


Basic questions?

1. Where at?
2. Times? games on 1 day or 2?
3. What happens to lower grades?
4. Canteen?
5. What benefit to individual clubs does it give.
6. Clubs loss of revenue, who will want to give up a home game?
7. Do we really need a Magic round?

Probably a few more to throw in...if your thought about it..

Run at me...

No. 3 regarding when do the Lower grades get scheduled to play is going to be a pain in the arse with these games most likely having to be played on a Sunday or possibly even midweek.
Also I imagine that the clubs (and players) who get the early games in the morning aren't going to be overly impressed.

Another factor to consider is the pitch.
Will it hold up to 6 games on the same day?

[Bremsstrahlung]

Jardel makes some good points.

When I think about it, it gives me images of a grand final day with all the players and staff and supporters there, maybe set up for the day. Maybe not.
I agree the sentiment and the idea of having a day or weekend to showcase all the games would be a good draw card - especially if NPL have a weekend off or something on the scheduled day.


But, the more I think about it, what are the benefits to clubs? What does a “Magic round” do for the league or clubs?

The idea of a sparkly Magic round is great, don’t get me wrong, but do the logistics and actual implementation serve a purpose?

[Lofty]

If you are a Cardiff supporter or fan, you aren't going to hang around to watch a Suns v Swansea round 3 fixture. I doubt it's going to bring many extra eyes to any games. For all the work that would be involved and sacrifices to make this happen, I don't see where the benefits are and who the benefits would be for.

[Alton]

If you are a Cardiff supporter or fan, you aren't going to hang around to watch a Suns v Swansea round 3 fixture. I doubt it's going to bring many extra eyes to any games. For all the work that would be involved and sacrifices to make this happen, I don't see where the benefits are and who the benefits would be for.

It?s all about the TV rights

[Addios]

If you are a Cardiff supporter or fan, you aren't going to hang around to watch a Suns v Swansea round 3 fixture. I doubt it's going to bring many extra eyes to any games. For all the work that would be involved and sacrifices to make this happen, I don't see where the benefits are and who the benefits would be for.

Someone is ticking boxes for their CV or to "look good" in the community. anyone who's worked in govt institutions puts up with this daily.

[Nou Camp]

people look at the crowd on grand final days (people from a lot of different clubs) and ask themselves how can we get that for a normal round game

[Jardelsimage]

people look at the crowd on grand final days (people from a lot of different clubs) and ask themselves how can we get that for a normal round game

Can't compare GF to a normal round, GF is the last game, has shit loads of meaning, usually between the best 2 teams in the comp, winner takes all.

Magic round could be 12v11, 10v9 or even go the other way 12v1....sounds magical...

[Nou Camp]

Can't compare GF to a normal round, GF is the last game, has shit loads of meaning, usually between the best 2 teams in the comp, winner takes all.

Magic round could be 12v11, 10v9 or even go the other way 12v1....sounds magical...

i know you cant compare it, im just saying thats what people are looking at and saying how can we get that for a normal round

[The Postman]

Nothing wrong with promoting the League! By the sounds of it there could be some sponsorship opportunities for the League itself. Plus, games on BarTV, highlights on Youtube, TikTok etc.

Has Zone League ever had a sponsor? If the money is spread around the clubs, it can only help!