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Originally Posted by Skirt Boy
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What. A. Gumnut.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skirt Boy
SB plz
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Spurs are right.
It's about glory!
Dial Square hasn't had spurs score against us in the last three.
:rof: Jan Vertonghen has said that the top four has improved but Sp*rs have stayed still. He also said the most fitting & brilliantly hilarious line I've read from a Sp*rs fan/player in a long time.
There's three words that I know need to go here, SB. Can you help me out with them? SB plzQuote:
"I do not want to look at the table any more because the gap (to the top four) is very big," said Vertonghen.
Please wait till st totteringhams day.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
I don't fully understand this title race tbh.
I can't look past Man Citeh personally, but I'm not fully understanding the Liverpool/Arsenal race and how everyone views it. They're both on equal points, equal games played. But if you ask anyone, Liverpool are in the title race whilst Arsenal are in a decent position to finish top four.
Their respective fixtures are fairly similar. They both play Chels, City, Wham, Newcastle & Norwich. Arsenal also play Swansea, Everton, Hull & Wbrom whereas Pool play Cardiff (away), Sunderland, Sp*rs & Palace. But it's worth noting all of Pools "big" games are at home. With Arsenal having 1, and assumingly 2 FA Cup games in there also. But I would say Pool have the harder run home.
TAB has Liverpool at $3.75 to win the title, and Arsenal at $11.
Yes, Arsenal seem to not have squad depth (particularly if Giroud is injured) but they've had the same issues the whole season and have still gotten here. And Jan/Feb are notoriously their bad months, and that is past now. They've got Ramsey coming back in, who (even though he has missed a lot of the season) has a chance of getting in Team of the Season he was so brilliant (and for all those "nope, no way" guys out there - Sturridge has only played 1.5-2 games worth of minutes more than Ramsey so think about that).
I don't know. I personally can't see anyone but Citeh or Chelsea winning it - but I can't understand the Liverpool/Arsenal comparisons and how much it just doesn't make sense to me.
Yeah maybe. But also look at the way Liverpool played on the weekend compared to Arsenal?Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Just look at the weekend. All dick waving aside, if you were a gunners fan you would have to be concerned with the way they played on Sunday coming towards the end of the season.
Liverpool's GD is much better than ours right? That's the only reason I can see for everyone jerking off about 'Pool being in line for the title and completely disregarding us.
FW was doing it in the latest pod as well.
If we don't win I hope City do.
odds are manipulated based on the betting activity for the events. these odds indicate that either big money is going in for liverpool (relative to arsenal) and/or that the TAB consider liverpool to be a more likely winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
if you read about betting behaviour, especially to live in-play betting, you will see thast many people also over-react to match events. for instance, see the swing in odds in response to a goal scored early or a sending off. the swing in (betting) odds is often over-exaggerated compared to the change in (statistical) odds. human beings are emotional and subjective. the statasticians at the bookies are non-emotional and objective. the disposal of man utd at old trafford is one of those events which will bring about a large shift in betting behaviour.
furthermore, as SB says, consider how liverpool have played against Man utd (and recently, arsenal, everton, spurs, even southampton) and compare that to how arsenal have performed. chalk and cheese atm.
again, consider how liverpool have performed at anfield against big teams, compared to how arsenal have performed against big teams. based on form, i think you'd agree one of the two are more likely to pick up more points against their rivals.
the current betting odds are reflected in the above (and perhaps more i haven't thought of / am unaware of / have neglected)
Out of curiosity what is the Win Loss record in the North Londen Derby in say the last 20 years ie since the EPL started???
Spuds would have about as good a record in these games as the Jets do in games vs Wellington Phoenix
Last time the teams played Arsenal went through 2-1 winners.
Pool also scraped by Swansea and Fulham and drew with WBA a team in the relegation scrap.
They also drew with Villa and lost to both Chelsea and City.
Yes their current form is way better than Arsenal's but looking back at our fixtures the real stand-out is the loss to Stoke, this was shocking.
Other than that we've only recently dropped points against Pool and Utd.
Our season will be defined by our coming games against City and Chelsea.
since the EPL started....
played 44,
Gunners 74 Goals
Spurs 52 Goals
Gunners 17 wins, Spurs 9 wins, Draws 18.
Intriguing, what can we read from those stats?
SPUDS ARE SHIT:sup:Quote:
Originally Posted by russjaybee
I am surprised Spuds have won that many. With the exception of about 3-4 years ago where Spuds had a spell where they beat Arsenal a few times my perception would be spuds have been Arsenals bitchesQuote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
its been 20 years since they last finished above us.
Yeah but remember that on the weekend we played a team contesting top 4, whereas pool played a mid table teamQuote:
Originally Posted by Skirt Boy
#yep
imo liverpool are playing well but i think that history and hype are clouding the betting odds for this. city and chelks still have it. Arse and pool have to prove their consistency. at least its worth following this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Yep, all understood.Quote:
Originally Posted by snake
But $8 difference in odds? I just don't really see THAT much difference tbh. Especially when Pool are within $1 of Citeh & Chelsea
I'll give you that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
At least we can be in agreement..............Manure are absolutely dog
i hope spurs win it
All the Liverpool fans coming out of the woodwork and putting money on them hoping they win... Delusions of grandeurQuote:
Originally Posted by pv4
All the arsenal fans shifting bricks we choke and not wanting to jinx it by putting money on it.... Realism
Rambo, Santi & Zelalem all signed contract extensions. So did Rosicky & BFG the other week.
How good is retaining good players as opposed to selling them?
So much <3
Yer, what Snake said is spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Odds are derived from money invested more so than a teams actual 'chance'. Arsenal are $11 because bookies are begging people to take them on. It decreases the hit to the bottom line if the favourites (City/Chelsea) do indeed win.
Best way to look at it is if some degenerate gamblers do indeed load up on that $11 today, Arsenals odds will slash without a ball being kicked because the betting houses' exposure to loss is now greater.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/26680514
Good piece on wengers start at highbury
That was a good read. As much as I hate Arsenal, I've always liked how they go about things.Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
Was interesting to read into the psychology of the bloke and how he won the players over.
Tony Adams openly admits Wenger added years to his career...... and his life, by changing the culture at the club.
I remember as a kid reading player profiles.... Favorite meal? Was always steak and chips, then Wenger turned up, and every player in squad answered, steamed veggies with steamed chicken and steamed rice.
no way, havent placed a bet. the bookmakers are pulling themselves sick to think that arse and pool havent got the same chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
2-0 after 7 mins FFS:deadhorse:
It's like Anfield all over again
only $11 for the title? and this against a chelsea who cant score ffs :rof:
we know you you're a gazillionaire but no-one's accusing you of manipulating the odds to that extent ffsQuote:
Originally Posted by hawk
Just letting you know GI Joe:Retaliation just started on channel 402.
Just sayin'
Sanogo to come on at half time.
Ref to red card him for re-entering the game .
Fabianski!
Hope he gets the final.
Thank fxxx for that :rof:
I headed down to The Armoury (Commercial Pub in Parra) for this to hang with the Arsenal Australia guys, was heaps of fun. There were probably 60-100 Arsenal fans there, pretty much all in colours. Place went ballistic when Per scored, but probably moreso when Fab made his first save.
Will def be attempting to get down there again for the final. They do pretty well there, banners hung on the balconies, a big memorabilia thing hanging under the bigscreen, they also had a "special guest" in David Jack's grandson who lives in Sydney, and he was formally introduced pre-game and had a little talk.
When's the final pv4? Might join you for it.
If my quick google is correct, Sunday 18 May at 2am Sydney time.Quote:
Originally Posted by russjaybee
The race to St Totteringhams Day:
Both Arsenal & Sp*rs have 4 games left. Arsenal currently on 67 points, Sp*rs on 60 points. Sp*rs can only technically afford to lose 1 more game, assuming Arsenal were to lose all of their remaining games. If Arsenal win 2 more games (regardless of what Sp*rs do), Happy St Totteringhams Day. If Arsenal win their next game and Sp*rs lose theirs (Arsenal away to Hull, Sp*rs home to Fulham - Sp*rs the day before), Happy St Totteringhams Day.
All those scenarios are correct, yeah SB?
this is exactly the kind of attitude that has your players celebrating a win over championship team wigan. celebrating like they'd won the thing ffs. no really, they came from behind to win on penos :rof:Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
if you don't win your 4th place cup wenger must be sacked, surely.