2016/17 Squad Thread

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Originally Posted by halo se7en

You've just described Miller's season to a tee, except the cluster**** he was following was ****ing worse than what 'poor Jones' has had to follow. Miller also had the FFA as owners, not a rich Chinese businessman. Miller's signings so far, especially Nabbout, which puzzled most of us at the time, have proven to be quite useful to Jones. I've said it before, I don't want him to fail so I can say I told you so, just stop pretending that he's worked miracles while simultaneously acting like Miller was Stubbins v2 when in reality they've both served up fairly identical results so far.

On another day, Perth would have killed us. Castro missed a sitter, and hit the bar two other times, Taggart should have scored if it wasn't for Duncan, and our penalty was a gift. I don't remember too many instance where we seriously threatened their goal.

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Originally Posted by halo se7en

You've just described Miller's season to a tee, except the cluster**** he was following was ****ing worse than what 'poor Jones' has had to follow. Miller also had the FFA as owners, not a rich Chinese businessman. Miller's signings so far, especially Nabbout, which puzzled most of us at the time, have proven to be quite useful to Jones. I've said it before, I don't want him to fail so I can say I told you so, just stop pretending that he's worked miracles while simultaneously acting like Miller was Stubbins v2 when in reality they've both served up fairly identical results so far.

On another day, Perth would have killed us. Castro missed a sitter, and hit the bar two other times, Taggart should have scored if it wasn't for Duncan, and our penalty was a gift. I don't remember too many instance where we seriously threatened their goal.

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Results are not the issue.


Miller got his results parking the bus and playing negative football hoping the opposition had an off day and he cashed in.
Basically short term thinking

Jones is getting his results going toe to toe with opposition
Basically long term thinking

To say Miller had a hard gig is a massive over statement.

The two easiest gigs in the HAL recently are Millertime taking over after Muppet was here and Okon taking over at Gypos from Walmsley.

Basically expectation is low and being semi competitive and getting the occasional win keeps the plebs happy

What Jones has done is take a shit side and go about changing the mentality of the squad. We are now having a go and not playing like cowards like we have for the last 8 years.

We ain't getting the results right now. But we are going to be getting them in the future.

On most days Perth would have beaten us. That being said in future we will have the confidence and the ability to carve them up and beat them.


If you want to compare the two blokes I point something out to you right now.

This year we are a legitimate playoff prospect. Whether we get there or not isn't the issue. We are a legitimate chance as the way we play will see us pick up points as the season progresses.

Last year under Miller we were never a realistic chance of making the playoffs. Sure as shit the club talked about it as they usually do nut noone actually believed them.


This year they have people starting to believe in them.

BTW that Harry kid from brisbane roar youth who was trialing signed a youth team contract and scored a hattrick on the weekend.

he could be a better and cheaper option than Kokko

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Originally Posted by evanhayes5

BTW that Harry kid from brisbane roar youth who was trialing signed a youth team contract and scored a hattrick on the weekend.

he could be a better and cheaper option than Kokko

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A lot of roar fans that have watched him played are very annoyed Brisbane lost him.

Are we in the mix at all anyone know? This at least would be a more useful addition than wankles:
http://www.a-league.com.au/article/a...016nserom3hbek

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Results are not the issue.


Miller got his results parking the bus and playing negative football hoping the opposition had an off day and he cashed in.
Basically short term thinking

Jones is getting his results going toe to toe with opposition
Basically long term thinking

To say Miller had a hard gig is a massive over statement.

The two easiest gigs in the HAL recently are Millertime taking over after Muppet was here and Okon taking over at Gypos from Walmsley.

Basically expectation is low and being semi competitive and getting the occasional win keeps the plebs happy

What Jones has done is take a shit side and go about changing the mentality of the squad. We are now having a go and not playing like cowards like we have for the last 8 years.

We ain't getting the results right now. But we are going to be getting them in the future.

On most days Perth would have beaten us. That being said in future we will have the confidence and the ability to carve them up and beat them.


If you want to compare the two blokes I point something out to you right now.

This year we are a legitimate playoff prospect. Whether we get there or not isn't the issue. We are a legitimate chance as the way we play will see us pick up points as the season progresses.

Last year under Miller we were never a realistic chance of making the playoffs. Sure as shit the club talked about it as they usually do nut noone actually believed them.


This year they have people starting to believe in them.

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Righto. Well when you see Uncle Mark at the family BBQ this wknd, tell him he's doing a superb job.

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Originally Posted by halo se7en

Righto. Well when you see Uncle Mark at the family BBQ this wknd, tell him he's doing a superb job.

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I was hoping I would get an eloquent and measured response.

All I got was you sucking lemons again

Ohh well maybe some day you will be able to offer something to the debate

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Originally Posted by Roundball Enthusiast

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And the Aleague article.

http://www.a-league.com.au/article/t...81x7vnocdtod4c

Nothing from the club yet though... Interesting.

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Originally Posted by Roundball Enthusiast

And the Aleague article.

http://www.a-league.com.au/article/t...81x7vnocdtod4c

Nothing from the club yet though... Interesting.

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hmmm 28yo rookie to save the day. :sigh:

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Originally Posted by MFKS

I was hoping I would get an eloquent and measured response.

All I got was you sucking lemons again

Ohh well maybe some day you will be able to offer something to the debate

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Your ability to argue on the internet better than others doesn't make you right.

You have every right to be happy that we are playing more enjoyable football this year. We pay money to be entertained.

But to think that Miller had little to do with it and somehow Jones has changed the personality of the team in a few months is borderline delusional.

Jones has done well and has them attacking teams much better than last year. But he couldn't defend Alcatraz from an old lady with a broom.

Miller may have been a rubbish coach in the long-term, we will never know unless he gets another HAL job, but he definitely didn't drag the club down. He steadied the ship that Stubbs has been poking holes in for awhile. Made some astute signings, and some less astute ones. Got a bit of fight in the team and then smacked himself in the face and got sacked like a petulant child.

I think you need to deal with the fact that last year we played simple football and improved slightly from the year before. This year we are being more adventurous and it's paying off. Both of those facts are good and have lead us into the top 6.



Also, it has helped that many other teams have dropped down to our level this year. WSW/Adelaide/Roar were playing much better last year.

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Results are not the issue.


Miller got his results parking the bus and playing negative football hoping the opposition had an off day and he cashed in.
Basically short term thinking

Jones is getting his results going toe to toe with opposition
Basically long term thinking

To say Miller had a hard gig is a massive over statement.

The two easiest gigs in the HAL recently are Millertime taking over after Muppet was here and Okon taking over at Gypos from Walmsley.

Basically expectation is low and being semi competitive and getting the occasional win keeps the plebs happy

What Jones has done is take a shit side and go about changing the mentality of the squad. We are now having a go and not playing like cowards like we have for the last 8 years.

We ain't getting the results right now. But we are going to be getting them in the future.

On most days Perth would have beaten us. That being said in future we will have the confidence and the ability to carve them up and beat them.


If you want to compare the two blokes I point something out to you right now.

This year we are a legitimate playoff prospect. Whether we get there or not isn't the issue. We are a legitimate chance as the way we play will see us pick up points as the season progresses.

Last year under Miller we were never a realistic chance of making the playoffs. Sure as shit the club talked about it as they usually do nut noone actually believed them.


This year they have people starting to believe in them.

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We could also look at it like this.


Miller came in, when we had conceded the most amount of goals in our history and wanted to sort out and strengthen our defense. Which lead to us lacking in the final third (as we still do now).

Jones has come in after Miller has done all the hard work, working on the defense, which now allows him to focus more on the midfield and final third (which is still lacking, but is better overall).

Miller did all the hard work, with no cash, copped all the shit for it, but is the only reason we're in the position we are now.

I don't even know where to start when critiquing what Member said..
Basically...

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Results are not the issue.


Miller got his results parking the bus and playing negative football hoping the opposition had an off day and he cashed in.
Basically short term thinking

Jones is getting his results going toe to toe with opposition
Basically long term thinking

To say Miller had a hard gig is a massive over statement.

The two easiest gigs in the HAL recently are Millertime taking over after Muppet was here and Okon taking over at Gypos from Walmsley.

Basically expectation is low and being semi competitive and getting the occasional win keeps the plebs happy

What Jones has done is take a shit side and go about changing the mentality of the squad. We are now having a go and not playing like cowards like we have for the last 8 years.

We ain't getting the results right now. But we are going to be getting them in the future.

On most days Perth would have beaten us. That being said in future we will have the confidence and the ability to carve them up and beat them.


If you want to compare the two blokes I point something out to you right now.

This year we are a legitimate playoff prospect. Whether we get there or not isn't the issue. We are a legitimate chance as the way we play will see us pick up points as the season progresses.

Last year under Miller we were never a realistic chance of making the playoffs. Sure as shit the club talked about it as they usually do nut noone actually believed them.


This year they have people starting to believe in them.

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Gotta agree with the member here. Miller for almost 2 thirds of lasts season played park the bus, hope other team makes a mistake. He also spent most games bringing on defensive players regardless of the score or time of the game. Yes he gets credit for some of his signings. But end of the day he wanted to park the bus with lazy ass players like Triffo Leonardo and Carney. not to mention that 10 game run where we didnt score a goal. Jones however has our players digging deap and fighting for 90 mins as well as occasionally actually looking up and passing the ball around. You have to wonder if Miller would get out of this squad what Mr Jones is and frankly im not so sure.

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Originally Posted by Roundball Enthusiast

We could also look at it like this.


Miller came in, when we had conceded the most amount of goals in our history and wanted to sort out and strengthen our defense. Which lead to us lacking in the final third (as we still do now).

Jones has come in after Miller has done all the hard work, working on the defense, which now allows him to focus more on the midfield and final third (which is still lacking, but is better overall).

Miller did all the hard work, with no cash, copped all the shit for it, but is the only reason we're in the position we are now.

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Spot on. I've said this a dozen times yet it won't get through. MFKS had it in for Miller the moment he got here and bagged the guy relentlessly the entire season. Despite two wins on the coast, despite the away comeback win to City, and despite racking up 8 wins and getting our club off the bottom. Apparently getting stability and some pride back didn't mean anything if we didn't have ambition to reach top 4. This season, the results don't seem to matter and MFKS is happy we're in 7th. Anyone with common sense could see what sort of a battle Miller faced last year and he was far from perfect but made a good fist of it. I have zero doubt that he would have improved on it this year. The guy knew exactly what sort of players and team he wanted. Coincidentally, as soon as Jones strayed away from what the tactics/formation were in the off-season, the results went downhill. p.s He still hasn't beaten the coasties.

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Jones however has our players digging deap and fighting for 90 mins as well as occasionally actually looking up and passing the ball around. You have to wonder if Miller would get out of this squad what Mr Jones is and frankly im not so sure.

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Gee, its almost like Millers legacy of having the players fit, and actually running an entire pre-season, got the players fit enough to outrun other teams.

Astonishing.

I agree, Jones has us looking dangerous going forward, but it all comes from the hard work in pre-season and Millers work/signings in defense.

This has allowed Jones to walk in and get them looking forward.

BK vs Birra

Miller Vs Jones

FMD just start another thread

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Originally Posted by Wilso8948

BK vs Birra

Miller Vs Jones

FMD just start another thread

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Jones just signed a 28y/o who couldn't get a decent run at Adelaide (Given they won the comp, probably pretty hard) for the next 4-5 months.

Quality signing though. Can't wait to see him not get picked.

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Originally Posted by Roundball Enthusiast

Jones just signed a 28y/o who couldn't get a decent run at Adelaide (Given they won the comp, probably pretty hard) for the next 4-5 months.

Quality signing though. Can't wait to see him not get picked.

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And your point? He also signed an 18yo kid who showed up both our 'Senior" starting CBs in his non preferred position.

Miller signed that Alivodic bloke who was absolutely puss.

Where do we stop with all this? FFS just accept it and move on. We going ok. Celebrate that

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Originally Posted by Wilso8948

Where do we stop with all this? FFS just accept it and move on. We going ok. Celebrate that

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You are right..
All this back and forth "he is shit", "no, he is shit".. Its as pointless as the GK debate, will never be solved..

Be a Miller-boy or a Jones-kid, lets just enjoy not being as shit as the gypos.. (or as inbred as Matt Simon)