2020 Premier Club SAP

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Originally Posted by plague

nah, the uniform stuff is just about setting standards. all kids need to have that shit drummed into them at one stage in their lives.

on field its a different story. our coach absolutely encourages the kids to be themselves, he wants their personalities to shine, and to express themselves on their field with their skills. our kids do pretty much zero 'team' setup. he wants them to think what they should do with the ball and where they should be without the ball. the best coaches in the program actually say very little during the games because they trust the kids to figure it out, and theres no value in yelling at the if they do something 'wrong'.

there are def kids in the program who look like they hate being there and who look scared they will be hit with a tyre iron if they do something wrong. however talented these kids are i doubt they will ever stick with it as it just looks like a miserable existence.

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Sounds like a great place for kids to develop their skills.

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

Sounds like a great place for kids to develop their skills.

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yeah ive got a huge amount of respect for my kids coach and make no mistake, there are plenty of other coaches at other clubs who do just as good a job. after a few years in the program now you can really see the clubs that understand not just football, but the kids themselves.

my kid has improved out of sight and his team play really good football and can hold their own with anyone in the program. but my first priority is the well being of my son. if coaches or teammates were treating him like shit he'd be out of there in a flash. no amount of winning is worth it.

Northern have announced the u10 TSP squad for 2020. not sure on how many kids got a Guernsey. wud b interesting to know which clubs the kids came.

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Originally Posted by YewYew

Northern have announced the u10 TSP squad for 2020. not sure on how many kids got a Guernsey. wud b interesting to know which clubs the kids came.

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Announced it? Haven’t seen anything? What about other age groups?

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Originally Posted by Aegon

Announced it? Haven’t seen anything? What about other age groups?

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Yeah, Northern told clubs yesterday. I think clubs would have told the picked kids direct. I was told only bout u10s (9s from last year). I was told most kids from last yrs groups are staying on.

Northern say they will review through the season but it’s BS. Once kids are in they in for the stay

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Originally Posted by YewYew

Yeah, Northern told clubs yesterday. I think clubs would have told the picked kids direct. I was told only bout u10s (9s from last year). I was told most kids from last yrs groups are staying on.

Northern say they will review through the season but it’s BS. Once kids are in they in for the stay

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Fair enough, as someone who watched an awful lot of SAP last year I'm extremely cynical about NNSWF's selections. The top end clubs played at speers point less than any of the others due to having their own field for hub days. Even when they were at speers point the Northern officials who did turn up spent more time on their phone or laying down in the shade then actually paying attention to the games.

I reckon there were about 5 or so boys from Magic, 3ish from Olympic, New Lambton & Jaffas, 1-2 from Edgy, Lake Mac, Azzuri & Maitland, 1 from valentine and maybe 1-2 others from the rest of the clubs who stood out enough to make it.

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Originally Posted by Aegon

Fair enough, as someone who watched an awful lot of SAP last year I'm extremely cynical about NNSWF's selections. The top end clubs played at speers point less than any of the others due to having their own field for hub days. Even when they were at speers point the Northern officials who did turn up spent more time on their phone or laying down in the shade then actually paying attention to the games.

I reckon there were about 5 or so boys from Magic, 3ish from Olympic, New Lambton & Jaffas, 1-2 from Edgy, Lake Mac, Azzuri & Maitland, 1 from valentine and maybe 1-2 others from the rest of the clubs who stood out enough to make it.

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the TSP concept will be interesting this year as one kid who was playing 10's last year has been 'forced' back to play 10's again (he'd been playing up since day 1). He is outstanding on the ball and has pretty good vision and runs all day. Hes a proper star in the making, but because he was playing 10's last year and prob hasnt even started training with 9's, i doubt theres any chance hes made this TSP squad.
Hopefully once he plays against kids his own age and maintains his standards they will find a spot for him.

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Originally Posted by plague

the TSP concept will be interesting this year as one kid who was playing 10's last year has been 'forced' back to play 10's again (he'd been playing up since day 1). He is outstanding on the ball and has pretty good vision and runs all day. Hes a proper star in the making, but because he was playing 10's last year and prob hasnt even started training with 9's, i doubt theres any chance hes made this TSP squad.
Hopefully once he plays against kids his own age and maintains his standards they will find a spot for him.

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Magic have three boys selected in the U10 TSP for 2020 - two from last years U9s and one who had been playing up in the U10s. On that basis I assume NNSWF have considered all age-eligible kids?

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Originally Posted by Barry Dawson

If fees are reduced, who pays for the ridiculous payments some of these first grade players are receiving?
It is crazy what players are being paid in a competition that is at best NPL4 in Sydney.
How many NPL clubs actually embody their SAP players in their Club? Or are they just a necessary part of being an NPL Club and an additional revenue stream?

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Hahaha at best NPL4 hey.
how many of those NPL 4 clubs ever made it to last 32 or 16 of FFA cup?

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Originally Posted by londonboy

Magic have three boys selected in the U10 TSP for 2020 - two from last years U9s and one who had been playing up in the U10s. On that basis I assume NNSWF have considered all age-eligible kids?

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There’s some questionable selections might I say.
Like Ageon mentioned and I agree with him but only 3 from magic boys is a big question mark. Think a few from Olympic might have been thrown in by Leo to keep his mates there happy 😐 the kid that plague speaks of from lambton also made it I believe which I agree with but didn’t see the blonde kid up front name get picked who was very good also in that group. Not sure if there’s a quota they have to select a kid from every team but from what I seen last year there should have been more than 3 magic kids go out of the 15 or so selected 🤷*♂️

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Originally Posted by Yaa Yaa

There’s some questionable selections might I say.
Like Ageon mentioned and I agree with him but only 3 from magic boys is a big question mark. Think a few from Olympic might have been thrown in by Leo to keep his mates there happy �� the kid that plague speaks of from lambton also made it I believe which I agree with but didn’t see the blonde kid up front name get picked who was very good also in that group. Not sure if there’s a quota they have to select a kid from every team but from what I seen last year there should have been more than 3 magic kids go out of the 15 or so selected ��*♂️

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Did your club send out the list of players selected? Did the names have clubs against them?

From Jaffas, one boy selected in U10’s, three selected in U11’s.

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Originally Posted by Aegon

Did your club send out the list of players selected? Did the names have clubs against them?

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No the coach informed us parents on who was selected. He mentioned a few kids names he recognised from other clubs and showed me the list.
Knew a few names as some kids go to school with each other.

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Originally Posted by Yaa Yaa

the kid that plague speaks of from lambton also made it I believe which I agree with but didn’t see the blonde kid up front name get picked who was very good also in that group.

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the kid i spoke of in my recent post doesnt play for NL. but i think i know the 2 kids youre talking about but it wouldnt shock me if they only picked one of them.

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Originally Posted by Yaa Yaa

There’s some questionable selections might I say.
Like Ageon mentioned and I agree with him but only 3 from magic boys is a big question mark. Think a few from Olympic might have been thrown in by Leo to keep his mates there happy 😐 the kid that plague speaks of from lambton also made it I believe which I agree with but didn’t see the blonde kid up front name get picked who was very good also in that group. Not sure if there’s a quota they have to select a kid from every team but from what I seen last year there should have been more than 3 magic kids go out of the 15 or so selected 🤷*♂️

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So people on here saying some of the best kids ain’t got picked & im told that list has a few SAP coach and SAP TDs kids names on it. Not saying they ain’t good enough but it’s a bad look if some best kids are being left out.

What are Northern picking kids on anyway? If I want my u9 kid in next yr what does he have to do?

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Originally Posted by YewYew

What are Northern picking kids on anyway? If I want my u9 kid in next yr what does he have to do?

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at that age (and realistically every age up til 12) id not sweat too much on not being in those type of squads. the skills they teach at SAP are more than enough to deal with your kid is better off perfecting those core skills and by the time he gets to 13 he'll be getting chased by the good NPL clubs anyway.

as we've seen from the Jets and FFA cup, coming through A-League youth is no bigger advantage than being in a good NPL setup.

Any1 got a opinion on the Newcastle Jets Skills Program? 20 wks but $500 sounds exy.

Any1 done it? Is the coaching up to scratch?

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Originally Posted by YewYew

Any1 got a opinion on the Newcastle Jets Skills Program? 20 wks but $500 sounds exy.

Any1 done it? Is the coaching up to scratch?

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"The Newcastle Jets Skills Program (NJSP) is open to all players, no matter their playing experience or skill level."

Seems for the $$ and not so much identification

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Originally Posted by traffic light

"The Newcastle Jets Skills Program (NJSP) is open to all players, no matter their playing experience or skill level."

Seems for the $$ and not so much identification

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100% about the $$$

There are already ample means of talent identification for young players. This is quite simply designed to make parents think if their child is enrolled it is their way of being scouted for the Jets. Or to go further, if their child is not enrolled they will miss out on being scouted. The Jets need every dollar they can get. It is a club in trouble on and off the pitch.

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Originally Posted by YewYew

Any1 got a opinion on the Newcastle Jets Skills Program? 20 wks but $500 sounds exy.

Any1 done it? Is the coaching up to scratch?

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From what I have heard, it’d be good for 7-8 year old to develop their skills heading into SAP.

After that? Pretty much pointless unless your child wants more training.

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Originally Posted by Aegon

I reckon there were about 5 or so boys from Magic, 3ish from Olympic, New Lambton & Jaffas, 1-2 from Edgy, Lake Mac, Azzuri & Maitland, 1 from valentine and maybe 1-2 others from the rest of the clubs who stood out enough to make it.

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So there was 12 TSP kids picked in all for the 10s. Of the Big clubs 3 from Olympic, 3 from Magic, 1 from Jaffas. Other 5 frm New Lambton, Lake Mac, Weston, Edgy and Valentine. I was told no goalkeepers and that kids picked are similar type - small & skillful. Also got told that that clubs were involved in selecting kids by telling Northern who to look at. Northern would then only go and watch those kids. So if your club ain't told Northern about your kid then your kid ain't getting a look.

In 11s there was some changes from last year so Northern do change things a bit but not a lot.

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Originally Posted by Negative Police

Anyone heard any info about formats for next year yet? We're almost sure it's going to be 1 game instead of 2.

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Defo 1 game per week 30 mins halves.

Any one know who coaches the tsp kids? Leo bertos wud be one, but are others Northern coaches or people brought in from clubs?

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Originally Posted by YewYew

So there was 12 TSP kids picked in all for the 10s. Of the Big clubs 3 from Olympic, 3 from Magic, 1 from Jaffas. Other 5 frm New Lambton, Lake Mac, Weston, Edgy and Valentine. I was told no goalkeepers and that kids picked are similar type - small & skillful. Also got told that that clubs were involved in selecting kids by telling Northern who to look at. Northern would then only go and watch those kids. So if your club ain't told Northern about your kid then your kid ain't getting a look.

In 11s there was some changes from last year so Northern do change things a bit but not a lot.

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Seems a very strange way to go about it. The young boy from Jaffas who got in is a very handy kid in exactly the mold you described above. However there are a couple other boys at the exact same level of ability and one boy who is slightly different in that he is a slightly bigger kid who is strong on the ball but is an outstanding defender, I honestly thought if anyone got in TSP it would have been him.

TBF though. Trying to pick 12 out of 200+ SAP kids in each age group would be a nightmare. Especially when there is so many kids very close in ability.

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Originally Posted by Aegon

Seems a very strange way to go about it. The young boy from Jaffas who got in is a very handy kid in exactly the mold you described above. However there are a couple other boys at the exact same level of ability and one boy who is slightly different in that he is a slightly bigger kid who is strong on the ball but is an outstanding defender, I honestly thought if anyone got in TSP it would have been him.

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I was told that jets are always looking for that no.10 player, so if a kid ain't Messi sized he might not get a fair go. Problem is that when you watch jets youth they are all the same players and they don't have any size or strength. And they get flogged most weeks.

if jets ain't looking to develop kids of different strength & positions then the future ain't gonna be very bright is it.

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Originally Posted by YewYew

I was told that jets are always looking for that no.10 player, so if a kid ain't Messi sized he might not get a fair go. Problem is that when you watch jets youth they are all the same players and they don't have any size or strength. And they get flogged most weeks.

if jets ain't looking to develop kids of different strength & positions then the future ain't gonna be very bright is it.

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Seems a ridiculous way of working. Why not just select the best player for every position you need to field. Not everyone is destined to be an attacking player.

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Originally Posted by YewYew

I was told that jets are always looking for that no.10 player, so if a kid ain't Messi sized he might not get a fair go. Problem is that when you watch jets youth they are all the same players and they don't have any size or strength. And they get flogged most weeks.

if jets ain't looking to develop kids of different strength & positions then the future ain't gonna be very bright is it.

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The sad thing is that the Jets have always selected kids with great skill and after they enter the program they proceed to de-skill them and have them playing like robots.

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Originally Posted by YewYew

I was told that jets are always looking for that no.10 player, so if a kid ain't Messi sized he might not get a fair go.

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I would be really surprised (and really concerned for the future of the game in this region) if this were true. Just look at the kids coming through at Chelsea at the moment - you have a 6ft 6" striker (Abraham), a 5ft 4" fullback (Lamptey) and the likes of Mount, James, Tomori around the 6ft mark. Size doesn't determine a good player, and it no longer determines the position you play either. There are plenty of 6ft 5" defensive midfielders and 6ft 3" wingers and full backs out there these days.

It would make very little sense for NNSW Football to only select a certain size/type of player on the off-chance they might become a 10 in the future. The whole point of these talented player pathways is to hopefully produce players that might be able to play for the Jets and beyond, so there would have to be a bigger picture. They have people like Neil Orr and Leo Bertos working there who have played at the highest level, so they'd understand the need for variety and different skill-sets.

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Originally Posted by londonboy

I would be really surprised (and really concerned for the future of the game in this region) if this were true. Just look at the kids coming through at Chelsea at the moment - you have a 6ft 6" striker (Abraham), a 5ft 4" fullback (Lamptey) and the likes of Mount, James, Tomori around the 6ft mark. Size doesn't determine a good player, and it no longer determines the position you play either. There are plenty of 6ft 5" defensive midfielders and 6ft 3" wingers and full backs out there these days.

It would make very little sense for NNSW Football to only select a certain size/type of player on the off-chance they might become a 10 in the future. The whole point of these talented player pathways is to hopefully produce players that might be able to play for the Jets and beyond, so there would have to be a bigger picture. They have people like Neil Orr and Leo Bertos working there who have played at the highest level, so they'd understand the need for variety and different skill-sets.

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Hopefully those 2 have some input into the selections going forward, from what I have seen so far NNSWF have very little interest in being proactive with this.

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Originally Posted by Aegon

Hopefully those 2 have some input into the selections going forward, from what I have seen so far NNSWF have very little interest in being proactive with this.

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Bertos gone now.

Is it true that when kids reach NPL U12 they must play in there own age? So kids playing up ages will get held back down the track?

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Originally Posted by YewYew

Is it true that when kids reach NPL U12 they must play in there own age? So kids playing up ages will get held back down the track?

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Well there isn't an NPL U12 comp but it is true that kids U12 or below can't play in an NPL/NewFm comp U13 and above. So a kid playing up every year will have to do two years of U12 and then can go into U13 once they are Under 13.

Nothing stops them from playing up to U16 again though and once they turn 15 can play first grade. See if you can work out Northern's logic.

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Originally Posted by Goatscheese

Well there isn't an NPL U12 comp but it is true that kids U12 or below can't play in an NPL/NewFm comp U13 and above. So a kid playing up every year will have to do two years of U12 and then can go into U13 once they are Under 13.

Nothing stops them from playing up to U16 again though and once they turn 15 can play first grade. See if you can work out Northern's logic.

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https://footballnsw.com.au/biological-maturation/

The ‘biological maturation’ rule means it can work the other way, i.e. kids can play down a year if they are assessed as being physically immature for their age.

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Originally Posted by YewYew

Bertos gone now.

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Why would Bertos be gone? Coaching an NPL club isn't a full time role

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Originally Posted by Retired01

Why would Bertos be gone? Coaching an NPL club isn't a full time role

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Probably a conflict of interest though.

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Originally Posted by Aegon

Probably a conflict of interest though.

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Yep. People on here already say he has selected kids from Olympic because of relationship with club, imagine a load of Weston kids start making TSP or train-on squads!

HAHAHAHAHA You think anyone on here actually has any connection or influence at clubs? I really hope not. Trying to work out a lot of the comments on here is like an episode of the Simpsons. The Olympic and Magic kids get picked because they flog everyone each week and play better soccer. Have you seen their 11s play against each other last year was like watching 14s at some clubs. How can anyone question any selections from those clubs. Apologies for the rant but I really dislike people who make comments about things they have no idea. Just look at the finger pointing by the public the last few weeks around the fires. (Greenies, Sco Mo, Global Warming)

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Originally Posted by Retired01

HAHAHAHAHA You think anyone on here actually has any connection or influence at clubs? I really hope not. Trying to work out a lot of the comments on here is like an episode of the Simpsons. The Olympic and Magic kids get picked because they flog everyone each week and play better soccer. Have you seen their 11s play against each other last year was like watching 14s at some clubs. How can anyone question any selections from those clubs. Apologies for the rant but I really dislike people who make comments about things they have no idea. Just look at the finger pointing by the public the last few weeks around the fires. (Greenies, Sco Mo, Global Warming)

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I don’t even know who was selected anywhere except Magic.
From what I know the best kid in last years 9’s at Magic was selected + a kid in last years 10’s who played up a year. The other boy was probably middle of the range at the club but his father has some NNSWF connections.
When it comes to last years 9’s Olympic squad they were nowhere near as strong as their 10’s group, there were definitely a couple of boys who were strong enough to be selected but they are definitely not head and shoulders above other boys at Magic, Jaffa’s, New Lambton, etc.

I can’t say whether they selected the best 12 kids in this age group or not because I don’t know who they selected 100%. What I do think is that the selection process is murky at best and I reckon I saw more SAP games last year than anyone at Northern did.

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Originally Posted by Retired01

Why would Bertos be gone? Coaching an NPL club isn't a full time role

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Bertos gone: https://www.seek.com.au/job/40707454

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Originally Posted by YewYew

Bertos gone: https://www.seek.com.au/job/40707454

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Wasn’t that Clayton Zane’s role? What was Bertos a technical advisor or something similar?