Given, or chosen?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Regardless of the setup he had to use, McKinna and co always said the incoming coach had to be happy and stand by the squad. And IMO it is a better squad than Miller had to work with.
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Given, or chosen?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Regardless of the setup he had to use, McKinna and co always said the incoming coach had to be happy and stand by the squad. And IMO it is a better squad than Miller had to work with.
Ok Justify why Hoff is playing LB Mullen is playing RB and Cowburn and Vujica are riding the pine when towards December and January when we had Fullbacks who were on their right sides and positions our defense was much more stable. Also justify why Poijak was dropped for no reason several weeks back and around this time our midfield and in particular Stevie U turned to the shittest its been all season. Also why has an attack that was to a level firing around this time suddenly become non existent. These players were performing then and we were a massive maybe of making the six and since then we've gone backwards by a mile. Are the players turning to shit all down to them or Does Jones changing it up or possibly changing his tactics not play a massive part in our downfall. (In b4 you blame no resources and lack of pre season lalalala)Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
qftQuote:
Originally Posted by pv4
The Jets dominated the wanderers for large portions of the game and yet lost 3-0 due to a few individual errors - and not by any of the players you have mentioned either.Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
In front of goal the Jets lacked composure and failed to capitalise - had the done so it would have been an entirely different result.
The problem is we don't have a genuine goal scorer. Kokko hasn't worker out, Nobby lacks the engines, and Labi has never really had the strike rate in front to be a genuine starting striker.
The tactics themselves have been fine - it's simply the lack of goals killing the team.
I admittedly don't have the football knowledge of a lot of people here but I don't believe this seasons squad is stronger than last seasons - and it's certainly nowhere near as good as we had when Heskey, Taggs, Ryu, Zads.. and so on were playing.
Lee's can take 50% offault as well.
If he didnt skitz out and sack Miller for no reason we would have been a little better off in the short term and lot better in the long term.
We havent been creating anything for weeks. Even against WSW when we created a few chances we looked nowhere near scoring. Labi may lack scoring rate but he has alot of work rate and passion something this team needs in abundance.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Better squad??Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Please please enlighten me who is better this season than last??
It a serious question because
Birraz
LeakyG
Devon Head
Leonardo
Milos
Are easily 5 superior players than their replacements
I think you completely miss Dunsters point.Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
When we get into a position the blokes we have don't have the ability to consistently put it away.
Have a look at what we butchering
Nordstrand tries giving it to Nabbout instead of pulling the trigger
We also butchered one v Heart the other week before they score or the one where Nordstrand miss from under the bar v Heart
All simple chances we take and we 1-0 up
Whose fault is this??
It the players inability to execute
Has nothing to do with Ledman
Has nothing to do with McKinna
Has nothing to do with Jones
It up to the players to execute. We create chances and then don't take them again and again and again
And this, people, is the truth bomb. Regardless of what led up to the decision, if Miller hadn't been sacked we would have had some stability for the first time in ages.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawk
I had a thought about the number of people stating they won't be back next season and why there is a fondness for Miller, even now. Even though his man management at times was apparently indifferent and he had an ego, Scott Miller marked a move away from the same-old people involved in the club for the last 7 years that have been unsuccessful - like Deans, Zane, Jones. He brought an expectation of European professionalism to the team, a youthful energy and fresh ideas. He was someone external to the club who was coming in without pre-conceived ideas or perceptions.
The move back to Jones and Zane, perhaps for some, marked the return to the old ways of the club. People are just fed up with the medocrity. Last season marked progress both on and off the field - sponsors, an improved table position and some good wins late in the year. That's all that we can say about Miller's time.
Maybe in the end it would have all turned to shit as it has this season, but we will never know.
What you mean he sacked Miller for no reason??Quote:
Originally Posted by hawk
Miller had the insanity to try being insubordinate to his superior
Asians it all about "FACE"
Maybe he wasn't such an ego he would have known this
totally agree with the above!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
in other news Jones have been given the full support of the board on the news, hehehe this quite often means the opposite :p
if Lee is serious about this club, then i really think there will be some action taken by him this off-season. I also do wonder what information does the Chinese assistant pass on to him if any? or is he more of just extra hands?
Chinese assistant noticeably absent on saturday.
Oooo ok. didnt watch weekends game, to be honest there are alot of other things which are more exciting these daysQuote:
Originally Posted by &1gest
The old ways, like publicly stating they don't care about the Derby.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
Dont be a douche now, dont even try counter this. Lee fkd right up. Now get back to jones' ****Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
For stability reasons yes we should have kept MillerQuote:
Originally Posted by hawk
Issue is Miller was the one who stood up to Lee
Might well wash in some places but when you dealing with an Asian male who controls your employmemt and your pay check being an arrogant **** who thinks you can tell him how it is is a pretty ****ing stupid idea.
Dont under estimate the power of Asian men and face.
They can be quite tolerant to western insensitiveness but they do not tolerate having someone they considee below them try and challenge or show them up
Yeah Lee could have left Miller in the role but he wasnt ever going to.
Milker got himself fired
Exactly, McKinna was sprouting off everywhere on his phone calls that whoever took the head coach roll would not be able to use the squad as an excuse for not making the top 6. If the coach didnt think the squad could do it, they weren't up to the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Fast forward to the end of the season and the blame has been put squarely non the players and Jones has gotten a free pass to next season.
100% agree. It also sounds like McKinna and Griff both tried to stop him as they knew what the consequences of telling Lee how it was would go down.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Miller shot himself.
That precisely why the sympathy for this bloke from fans is ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by sammydog
The bloke got himself fired by being arrogant and self righteous and totally ****ed us all.
Yet some would give the bloke a tickertape parade for it
****ing crazy
Lee should have taken Miller at his word. If someone was being a twat within the camp then high chance there was. And if there was a disagreement between the top guys ffs work it out. Lee wouldnt know sh1t about what was going on and was in no position to sack a decent coach chosen by the ffa. Asian boss is no better than any other twat. Yep common sense and club betterment is fking crazy.
Geez i now hope we stay shit just to please these peeps who think jonelee is the almighty team.
if the Double-Eff-Aye just loaned Con the cash for his super bill none of this would have happened and we'd be celebrating our 5 title by now.
i blame Frank Lowy
Member is right - we know what Lee should have done, according to our own culture.
But this is China, and how they operate is another world entirely. Miller would have been seen as dispensable and he questioned his new overlord.
I'm doing business in China now and this is nothing compared to some of the hijinx I'm hearing about.
Miller got the sack because he had a punch up in China with his assistant coach. Miller arrived late in China and told his assistant not to train the first day. The assistant puts on a training session anyway. Kokko gets a soft tissue injury in the game the next day and Miller and the forgettable assistant end up in blows. Miller gets the sack, the players refuse to train for Trani? and he gets sacked the next day.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Yeah yeah yeahQuote:
Originally Posted by Onehunglow
That part of the story
Don't forget the bit where he was told to shut up and pull his head in when dealing with someone and chose to keep running his mouth
We not talking about a spur of the moment outburst here
Time was there to allow sanity to enter the equation
Where did you hear this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Onehunglow
But evidently it didn'tQuote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Someone in the know.Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
Don't you know the story??Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
It pretty well known what went down in China that got him the arse.
I heard a few different things, Only thing I knew for certain was that Miller wasnt being told who to sign and playQuote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
I remember reading about that event in the media as the major part of his demise.Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
The final nail after he questioned the Chinese overlords as it were
Have you had any experience in South Korea ? That was an eye opener for me - I'd imagine China is similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
Interviewer: So Scot why did you leave your last job ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Onehunglow
Scott Miller: I punched a Tranni.
Interviewer: Next.
:lulzturtle:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
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Originally Posted by Onehunglow
There was no punch on, lol.
The first part is true with regards to training, Miller said not to have training after the long travel. Despite this Trani takes a session, Kokko injured in game.
Second game was the team sheet debacle, someone didnt fill it out properly, the team ended up copping a goal (not sure if its one or 2). Miller feels like that Trani is trying to undermine him and sends him home.
The whole issue about challenging the boss is Scott is to have said that it was either him or Trani, thinking that he would be fine. Lee gives Scott the flick. From what I have been told Martin lee wanted to sack Scott anyway when he took over the club and bring in his own coach and start a completely a fresh, Lawrie talked him out of this
Players all refused to train under Trani as they could probably tell what was going on. They all wanted Scott back, but Lee didnt want him and I dont think Scott wanted the job anyway
Wow did Mr Lee not watch us the season before. Sounds were gonna have a Chelsea style ownership with lots of Manager changes without the success.Quote:
Originally Posted by evanhayes5
What would be harder:
- being the media guys at the jerks trying to hype the derby up after Jones just smothers the hell out of it
- being Trump's media people and trying to contain his Twitter
I don't envy either tbh
I love the talk of Lee 'saving face' because he's Asian or some shit. So something that happens behind closed doors that a handful of people knew about was too embarassing to let slide. But letting your football team embarrass themselves in public is perfectly cool.
international diplomacy 101 with the membah
Asian males are an interesting breed.Quote:
Originally Posted by halo se7en
Learn something here and realise that face is an over riding concept with Asians.
Something Miller wasn't smart enough to acknowledge
Maybe if he was smarter he could have saved you from the horrors Jones has inflicted on you with the shit footballers left behind by Miller
So in your opinion what coaching wise does Jones need to change or improve next year (tactics/subs etc)????Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS