Hows Kale Bradbery? How many years did you go on about him, pretty sure he fits everything you just said.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
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Hows Kale Bradbery? How many years did you go on about him, pretty sure he fits everything you just said.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
It's logical if you are prepared to accept mediocrity within the squadQuote:
Originally Posted by PC14
Playing for this club should be a privilege not handed around ightly.
If blokes in our current squad are not deemed good enough why keep them here paying them every week??
Fat load of good it done us keeping Pavicevic Brennan Copper etc
If they ain't wanted get rid of them straight away
Kokko and Brown if they can be released free up a foreigner spot that worth more than cash if utilised well
As for these blokes improving under a new manager.
Yeah I sure Boogaard is gonna stop getting caught out for speed and giving away fouls and pens all because Jones isn't the man any more
Some people live in a world of delusion about the quality of the current squad
Can you imagine....the Foz without the Jets
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Member, how do you propose we pay all these new much better players you are suggesting we get after we blow half our cap terminating everyone's contract? Brown, Boogaard and Kokko would all easily be on well in excess of $100k a year, so are you basically saying "let's burn $300-500k of our cap space and fill it with much better players using the no money we have left because we spent it sacking blokes"?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Talk about living in a world of delusion.
Was just about to say the same thing Grim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
It's all fine to sprout what to fix, but the Member needs to stop pontificating. He has the plan, so give us the nuts and bolts of how to get rid of said players, put a cost on that to come out of the cap and then tell us how to spend the remainder and what sort of players we'll get.
No more "get rid of the deadwood and bring in better players". Just tell us, with figures, how???
By paying them out, you instantly cut your salary cap and the amount of $$$ we can spend on the replacement.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
It's just not as simple as paying them out and getting someone better in. With your logic, they would need to be better but cheaper because a portion of their salary was used up to make room for them.
The point is, you can't do them all at once all you eat your salary cap up paying them out and replacing them. Then you are still trying to fill the gaps left by the guys that haven't had their contract renewed.
Haven't we already burnt the money already by paying them ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
Massive chunks of our salary cap is already gone paying them.amyway
I just of the opinion instead of letting these blokes stay in Newy sucking the mango doing **** all give them their money and send them on their way
They only here taking opportunity from some other bloke who might actually represent us with pride and passion 30 matches in the season rather than the incumbents who don't do the job for their 27 week season
So... you want us to get rid of these 3 players using 15-20% of the salary cap and replace them with absolute nobodies on minimum wage who you think care more? Why not just let them play out their contract instead of signing NPL shit players or, worse, have a 20 man squad because the rest of the cap is already spent?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
If the club can't find a better centre back than Boogs for half of what he's getting paid they should fold the club and hand back the licence.Quote:
Originally Posted by PC14
Paying him out makes a lot of sense as well because as long as he's here his ridiculously high wage becomes the reference point for players negotiating a contract with the Jets.
Why would anyone want to work alongside someone that's inferior to them yet on double their wage ? IT would be morale sapping to say the least.
And this is not an attack on Boogs - Good on him for cutting himself a great deal. My gripe is with the club being piss weak at the negotiation table.
yes and its a wonder what a well classed credentialed manager can do to those players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
there was even a difference in the level of the players under Miller compared to Jones
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Originally Posted by Jeterpool
Ridiculous comment. Miller couldn't manage his own assistant and deservedly was shown the door.Quote:
Originally Posted by white city
he had the team playing boring as bat shit style football as well.
Jones at least had a go for most of the season but in the last ten games or so the team played like shit for reasons unknown. Perhaps Jones got it all wrong, perhaps players started to feel the pressure knowing they could be out of a job and thought throwing the Manager under the bus was the best way to save their jobs.
I'd like to think that neither the players or management / coaches are up to the job and all should be replaced.
I get your point, particularly on Boogs. Jackson and Jonny K would both be on substantially less and dollar for dollar, both were far better than Boogaard. Also part of his shittiness was thinking he was Gerrard half the time. Just ****ing defend and stop pinging balls around.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Yeah, I agree. You have to wonder how differently Miller would have had us playing and whether Kokko would have been as isolated as he was this season. He came in with a great record in Finland, a goal every other game, a bunch of winners medals and I remember his first interview where he was clearly not lacking in confidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by white city
You have no idea how Miller intended to set things up this year though. Last year was clearly a consolidation with FFA squad and he had started to build his squad... what's to say he wasn't going to have them playing attacking football this season as well? Given we scored 21 goals in 8 pre-season games, far exceeding previous years (4 in 5, 20 in 9 which included 8 against Weston), why is your expectation that he would park the bus and play boring as bat shit football?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Wouldn't we be able to payout some of these players using this seasons unused cap space (10%?)?
and move some existing players outside the cap? youth allowances, etc?
How do you know we have 10% unused space? Given we sacked a bunch of blokes mid-season and everyone seems to think BK, BK and Boogs are on half a mill each, where is that 10% figure from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guerny
And we can move out BK and BK if we re-sign either for next season under the Archie Loyalty Rule. Maybe Vujica and Cowburn or whoever qualifies for that youth stuff but all of that requires spending outside the cap to achieve.
Because against quality opposition when it mattered Miller always had the team set up as if they were in damage control rather than to inflict damage upon their opponents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
And if I remember correctly other Jets teams have managed to walk all over their pre-season opponents and yet it never translated into anything positive in the A-league.
If you feel so strongly about Millers departure why do you still support the club ?
Yeah that's exactly the thinking that got Jones sacked. i.e. NFIQuote:
Originally Posted by Cabaye#4
What I do know is that we as fans don't see the books, don't know the salaries and don't know the constraints.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guerny
We can question all we like but we don't have access to the clubs finances.
If we can find clubs for some of these guys but they are offered less money than our wages, can we ship them off and only forfeit the extra amount from their contract with us?
i.e. Boogs contract = X
CCM sign him on contract worth 70% of X
We let him leave and only forfeit 30% of X from our salary cap?
I know that we can terminate by mutual consent but is there ways we push them out the door without paying the rest of their contract?
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Originally Posted by The Dunster
Yeah he was no Jones was he. Kind of disappointed the season ended when it did because I reckon our winless/goalless streak could have stretched another 10 games.
It's a wonder the Jones fanboys can poke the head back up again considering where your credibility on calling anything on what constitutes decent football. Blind Freddy could tell you Jones was going to be an unmitigated disaster
I don't give a shit about Miller's departure... where are you pulling that from? You are just speculating about things so I threw another IF into the mix...Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
And sure, we have had walkover pre-seasons before... against Weston Bears, 5 different NPL sides, an NPL select side, the Jets youth. I can't recall a pre-season where we went on an undefeated tour overseas and scored 6 unanswered goals against two A-league clubs.
The 4 goals in 5 appearances was LAST pre-season, under Miller. What a difference a year made there and then the rest is history because of the great debacle that was Miller's departure and the Jets ever present drama.
PS how much of our good season form was driven by everything Miller had set up in pre-season and Jones is actually the extremely shit coach who trained and drilled that out of them?
We spent the cap and used concessionsQuote:
Originally Posted by Guerny
You want to fix the squad.
Well first thing is you look at all the performances through the season under Jones, and Jones's statements to the press about who was and wasn't performing for him.
Then you laugh your arse off at the rantings of a madman.
Then you employ a decent coach on a 3 year deal and let them decide how they should shape the squad over 2 seasons. Not p*ss away even more money in the hope of a 1 season fix.
Guys like Kokko and Brown could likely be transferred back to Scandinavia. But I would like to see how a decent coach with an actual game plan can use them first.
it wont come out of the cap if both parties agree to terminate the contract
ie: the player finds himself another club and the club agree to release him
anyone who doesn't want to stay would be on the phone to their agent saying find me a better deal elsewhere
anyone whos not wanted should be told tell your agent to find you another club youre not needed
It doesn't really matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
What I and Dunster are calling for is some ruthless decision making from the club.
Instead of letting these over paid blokes suck the mango going through the motions shake things up and send them packing
Send a message to the rest of the squad left behind that performance gets them a new deal, that performance gets them good future wages.
Not this BS where mediocrity and failure to deliver is accepted as we pick up another spoon and these players could not give a **** about it
So why is Jones the only one copping the blame for our failings??Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
This is the bit that gets me.
How so many people negate these players of the responsibility for failure.
Jones may well have been the 2nd worst coach ever behind Muppet but those players screwed us all over
They shafted their manager but more importantly they shafted their fans.
Getting beaten is something we are use to
But those ****s just gave up the last 6 weeks of the season
No excuses for that shit ever
Didn't Jones play Sydney at home, with 5 at the back.. If that wasn't negative play aimed at mitigating damage, then I don't know what is.. I still remember the smug look on Arnie's face when he was chuckling about Jones having lost it before a ball was even kicked..Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
This..Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
The exact same tactic of the 3-4-3 that is actually working quite well and probably where the future is heading permanently??Quote:
Originally Posted by Bon
Like Mourinho is being lauded as a genius for disarming Chelsea with it the other day
It was not 5 at the back Jones played
It was 3-4-3 just we were inept at playing it
You're kidding? We cannot defend with 3. They are not good enough even with 5. Jones is a clown, your his thicker broQuote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
I think you are reading somewhere else. Jones is copping the brunt but people are calling players out everywhere. Boogaard is overpaid and slow, Mullen is shit, our entire midfield went missing, our attackers were non existent for half a season.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
What is solely on Jones though is not changing anything.
Mullen shit at right back? Cool, let's continue with him there ad nauseam whilst your normal right back and an Olyroo right back are out of position or not in the squad.
Hoole and Nabbout forget how to play football? Cool, let's continue playing them there and not see if Brymora or Haliti can change things up.
Strikers not scoring and barely ever getting the ball? Shit, let's continue doing that instead of looking at how we are set up and maybe changing things so they get a touch every now and then in meaningful positions.
That's all on Jones.
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Originally Posted by MFKS
Using a 10 at the back formation to defend him.. :gent:
If your players are inept at playing a certain system, why play it?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
They are professional players allegedlyQuote:
Originally Posted by PC14
If they can't play a 3-4-3 then they ought to give up
But that about right
Most of them need to give up
I do like your analysis on this that Jones didn't change anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
He constantly changed the team.
That probably part of his downfall.
Every week it altered
Bymora isn't good enough anyway but other thing is he been injured recently as well
Cowburn isn't the Olyroo fullback.He actually a CM
Getting selected to a squad means **** all really. He don't get selected for us as he ain't that ****ing good .
If you want to blame anyone for Jones selecting players everywhere
Try blaming the clown before him who accumulated a squad of players not good enough to be able to cement down a starting spot at a club as bad as ours and either no depth in certain spots or 6 options all equally as shit
Ding Ding Ding Logic and facts always wins. Agree 100% GrimQuote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
Jones didnt change the things Grim mentioned. And Brymora not good enough??? Do you watch him at training?? if so then ok ill defer to your judgement but if its off that 10mins away vs glory then WTF. Also I think Gombau knows a hell of alot more about football then Mark Jones and if he thinks a player has potential and what not then Id be backing his views over someone who watched Mullen get rinsed almost every week and didn't change it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Bymora I have seen more than enough of in the Yoof teams at the Jets.Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
I have seen him playing the last 3-5 years
He isn't anything other than a kid with good engines.
I baffled how he got a pro deal but that probably more a reflection on the rest of the EJ
I really couldn't give a **** if some **** called a Jets player into the Olyroo camp. That makes **** all difference to whether they are any good
FFS Blokes like Hoffman and Hoole made it once ouon a time
Also you remember last time we made the Olympics someone selected Kristian Sarkies Trent McLenahan and Mark Bridge in the squad.
**** has NFI if he thinks those blokes are competent footballers
Same clown took Raheem Sterling to Sydney and then said on closer look he is shit have him back.
Same bloke has coached the all conquering Smurfs side
So just because you get selected in a camp for an under age NT doesn't mean you have ****ing made it.
It means **** all
:lulzturtle: mfks fighting a 1 man battle against all common sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bon
Fighting a 1 man battle keeping you amused more like itQuote:
Originally Posted by hawk
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