You miss the point, it was unfair they had to play midweek in kiwi land,Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
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You miss the point, it was unfair they had to play midweek in kiwi land,Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
GVE MIDDLEBY - Bitching about something that directly relates to their club is completely different to
You complaining about what line up the Jets Yoof put out against a rival to Southy.
If GVE and Middleby start whinging about how something is benefiting a rival such as Smurfs/Gypos/WSW then you would have some common ground
Maybe you need to ponder that for a bit
As an addition to the Honorable Member's comment, how is it fair for the Jaffas to be with a player for the first few games and another player for half the season? (Just an example) Is it fair on teams who don't play them during this time? As the Member said, it's the perks of the draw. Did I hate playing up at Dungog (sorry Ack0) at 9am? Yes. Did I get over it? Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
I went to the two Jets vs Olympic games last year, which were my first NBN games.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
If a club miss out on the finals or the premiership, or get relegated, they obviously weren't good enough to make the cut throughout the season, not just in the two games against the Jets. And basically yeah, I reckon they are. They still want to win, but they want to win and play in a certain style, and if that means they stick to the passing game as opposed to hoofing it up the field when they're chasing the game, so be it. Is it fair on the others clubs? Maybe, maybe not, but life isn't fair. But I'm sure if Magic or Cardiff come up against the Jets when they're missing Hoole, Kale, Pepz, Chapz, Duncan etc, they won't be complaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zico
And there's not much anyone in NBN can do if they want it to NNSWF sanctioned, due to the directive from the FFA, which will see the Sydney teams playing in the NSWPL etc.
The issue with the Jets Youth has nothing to do with them winning too many games. If they played their best NYL side each week they would finish in the top 2-3 most years. The other NBN clubs know this and don't have any issue with them winning games if they're the better side.
The issues surrounding the Jets youth are purely regarding relegation from NBN. For me, the frustration surrounding their inability to play their best side each week, which can directly influence the final league positions of those sides down the foot end of the table, is quite valid.
For example, last year there was only 1 point separating last and 2nd last heading into the final round. With such fine margins separating relegation and safety, points gained by teams battling relegation against considerably weaker opposition one week, while other teams battling relegation get beaten by facing a full strength version of the same opponent a week later is not right. These points can easily be the difference between staying in NBN or being relegated.
If you consider that so far this season Valentine Phoenix, who are tipped to be one of the relegation candidates, gained a point in Round 1 against a very young Jets side, yet teams like Lakes, Jaffas etc in a few weeks time may have to face a full strength Jets team, then it's easy to see how people believe that the integrity of the NBN State League is being jeopardised.
If players are genuinely unavailable due to suspension or injury etc then that just comes down to luck of the draw, however players being rested at the discretion of the Jets, which severely weakens there side should not be allowed to happen. It's not ok for teams like Magic to do it, so why is it ok for the Jets?
If they want to participate in the competition then they should be required, like all other clubs, to play their strongest available line-up each week. If players are required to take a certain amount of holiday each year (which is fine), then they should rotate that schedule all year round and not just rest 6-7 players throughout the course of the NBN State League season. There is no reason why Oxborrow, Remmington etc could not have been given 2 weeks off during the NYL season.
99% are all for the Jets participating in the NBN State League, 99% are all for players having better development opportunities. However, these opportunities can be provided whilst still keeping the integrity of the competition in tact. That's all the NBN clubs want, some respect and for the integrity of the competition to be retained.
get them out of the comp stuff them.
as for everybody that says they'd win the comp easy with full squad? well u'd ****ing hope so. There on professional contracts versing businesman and tradies that go to work each day not train for soccer all day.
But the laughable thing is they probably wouldnt win the comp even fielding there best side each week. Either Jets youth are useless for what they should be or people highly under-estimate the quality in the top few sides in the nbn league. Which one is it. Take your pick.
Well I can answer that easily enough, the NYL season is during the A-League season, and what if GvE had to call upon Oxborrow or Remington for a HAL game? Plus, having two weeks off wouldn't have helped their fitness. And I'm sure Zane would rather them have their holiday at the start of the NBN season, opposed to having it midway through the season, plus when you've got Young Socceroos camps as well, it's easier to say have you holidays now.Quote:
Originally Posted by FaroeMassive
And as you said, it's the luck of the draw. Phoenix had them just coming off the back of the HAL season, so those players were on holidays, it could have been any one of the other teams, just like any other team could have had to play Magic. And who's to say that what you or I think is the best squad isn't playing each week? What if Zane simply plays those that show up to training, as most clubs would, seems reasonable to me.
As for last years points, yes 1-2 points is a fine margin. But if (for example) Magic had beaten Sout Cardiff in round 5, they would have won by 2 points, as opposed to Olympic by 1. If teams are consistent, then they will end up at their deserved place, 2 games against a variable Youth side won't change that.
I understand where you're coming from, but I honestly think that 2 games will not affect a clubs result over the course of 18 games, the consistently worse team, apart from the Youth, will be relegated, and the constantly better teams will rise.
Last season Jets Yoof Thumped Lake Macquare 3-0 and 8-1 and West Wallsend 4-0 and 5-0 if I rmember rightly. So neiither team picked up any cheap points against them and the only damaged done was to Lakes GD.Quote:
Originally Posted by FaroeMassive
I would also like to point how how laughable I find the suggestion that Jets should rest players during the HAL/NYL seasons to ensure the fairest competition in the NBN by them playing their best side EVERY WEEK in the NBN League. Yep GVE(Or the competent manager we hope to get) is not gonna have Oxborrow Hoole Pepper etc training with the HAL side for a chance to play in the A League coz he is gonna give them a few weeks off in the middle of the HAL season where they will miss the opportunity to play ADP Shinji Broich Rojas etc because they are REQUIRED to front at some suburban NBN ground every week of the NBN season to keep you blokes happy.
FMD:blush:
HAL>>> DAYLIGHT more DAYLIGHT >>> NYL >>> THEN A BIT MORE DAYLIGHT>>> NBN LEAGUE.
Without being condescending to the NNSW Fed or the NBN Clubs in anyway but that is the PRIORITIES for Newcastle Jets FC point blank. Despite all the criticisms levelled at GVE/Middleby HSG etc they at least are getting that one right.
Mate I don't dispute the Jets should be doing more to assist the NBN clubs and need to put a bit more effort in with helping them out and the NNSW Fed out rather than taking all the time. But FFS:blush:
For **** sake MFKS, I know you are a die hard Jets fan and fail to see anytrhing other than the best interest of the Jets but come on! We all love the Jets and want to see them prosper but the point I'm trying get across to you is to look at this from the clubs in the NBN perspective and try to understand why there is a uproar regarding massive different qualities in squad for different Jets teams put on the park. All I'm saying is keep the side settled throughout the season rather than having 6 or more changes from the side that starts to the one that finishes the comp. I had no problems last season when the Jets won most games and played a regular strong side without mass changes with no cheap 3 points being given away.
While everybody is on about the Jets Youth, the Bears are hosting them today and it's also Old Boys Day with a Golden Oldies match being played between the 1989/90 and 1995/96 Grand Final winning squads. Take the half hour drive to beautiful Weston and enjoy some great football in what will be a fantastic atmosphere.
In my opinion, a way to nullify this is if Jets Youth were playing for the same thing. E.g if Jets finish last, they get relegated. Then NBN clubs do not really have a leg to stand on. If they want to mix up their first team, go for it, but if you finish last, you're out. I think the issue at the moment is, that Jets Youth have nothing to lose.
With this solution, the Jets Youth/FFA realistically, don't really have anything to whinge about. If they aren't competitive in a Federation State League Level, they don't stand much of a chance in the NYL.
Again, my opinion is that NBN clubs feel like there are two sets of rules: one for the Jets, one for the rest. Which I'm sure you can agree is frustrating. Some of the club officials (daresay MOST) put so much of their time and effort into running their club, seeking sponsorship, upgrading facilities, man-managing, developing young footballers. In most cases the renumeration, if any, is miniscule and rarely would account for 1/10 of a reasonable salary for doing such a job. So, then a new club comes in, with professional (arguable) administrators, hand selected group of players, basically unlimited funds and very little effort on their part with no repercussions if they fail. E.g. They don't really have to worry about how many pies they will sell, if their ground is in good nick, or if they lose every game.
Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
Mason Campbell is a perfect example of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by RANGER09
So true.
mason campbell was playing first grade before he went to jets youthQuote:
Originally Posted by stopper2
The experience the likes of Chapman, Virgili, Hoole and Gallaway gained playing NBN last year benefited them greatly in making the step up to the HAL last season....without question. That is the bigger picture that we need to focus on here. It's not about the Jets being treated differently or being favoured by NNSW, it's about exposing young players (hopefully local) to matches against adults and giving them much more matches then in previous years so that they are better prepared to step up into the HAL by the time they are 20/21. I can't see negatives in this, only positives. It's just a small-minded metality being spread that NBN clubs are disadvantaged or will suffer etc. etc.
Yes that's correct.....and the point is?Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
Got no problem if you want to have the Jets yoof open to relegation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
That being said I don't think many believe even with their poor start results wise that the Jets Yoof have had will even be at the base of the table come seasons end even if they were to field these under performing kids all season long.
Regardless of how much time and effort is put in by these local volunteers if your club finishes 8th in the NBN over the course of the season you will definitely be in the comp next year. If you finish 9th you are still a big possibility of staying up assuming that this team with professional admin staff quality selected players and unlimited resources haven't finished stone motherless last.
So basically in a ten team comp you can have a coach do to a club what GVE done to the Jets HAL side and still stay in the NBN. Most would agree GVE should be punted for his failings at the Jets for the levels of mediocrity and shit they have put on the people of Newy
If one of these suburban NBN teams has a farcial season like the Jets HAL side did they are still in the NBN comp next year. I think the finish in the top 8 is a more than fair target for the NBN sides to achieve.
If you can't achieve that in a ten team comp do you really deserve to be there next year??
Probably not.
Just like GVE doesn't deserve to be continuing his employment at the Jets.
Cry me a river about all the hard work volunteers/committee do at clubs in the NBN League. This is done at clubs all over Newy Australia and the World. All the hard work in the world guarantees no level of success or entitlement to a place in the comp
Man Utd chop and change their side all the time in the EPL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zico
I don't ever here clubs complain that SAF rested Rooney RVP Ferdinand and Nani and played Welbeck Chicarito Johnny Evans and Cleverly who are in most opinions deemed lesser players.
Squad rotation and changes in personnell occur at all clubs throughout the season.
If I remember right the two teams in the HAL GF played in Rd 1. I imagine the line ups in Rd 1 were completely different with numerous changes to what the coaches put on the park for the GF
Weston 3 jets youth 5
Olympic 3 phoenix 0
Jets field all their star players tonight Forever Red or did they leave them out and the kids won??