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I thought the reference was to where they played more so than their nationality. WSW have signed a bloke with La Liga experience who has played against some of the top teams in the world and scored in the last 12 months or so against them. Admittedly he's not banging in goals like Messi - but if he's fit the blokes going to own this league.
Mario Jardel won the European Golden Boot - twice. Only winners since him are park players - Henry, Forlan, Makaay, Toni, Totti, Ronaldo, Messi and Suarez.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
The guy might be good, he might not. Why's he coming to Australia at only 31 if he can still compete in La Liga? His goal scoring record over the last 3-4 years is terrible. He could be the next Castro, he could also be the next Piovaccari. If he signed for the Jets, I could guarantee MFKS would be protesting because we're signing some overpaid hack to have a holiday. But because he signs elsewhere, we automatically expect him to be a superstar and criticise our own for no other reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
My frustration comes with this 'grass is always greener' outlook that a few on here have no matter what. Other clubs sign different coaches/players and we automatically rubbish our own and want what the other teams have got. Adelaide and Wellington's coaches are automatically better than Merrick because they're foreign and have been around some decent leagues - I could probably name 20+ managers that once managed in the EPL, only to be proven as absolute duds. Let's ignore that Merrick has actually achieved something in Australia.
Now this Spaniard is automatically better than whoever Merrick is looking for, despite none of us having a clue who he's actually looking at, or going to sign. All of a sudden Spain is a better option than a Brazilian, just because of Castro.
WSW signed a guy who had recent experience against La Liga sides and more goals in the last year against them than Riera did. He was a huge marquee flop.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Riera has also only had TWO seasons in his his glamorous career where he has broken double figures and one of them was in the 2nd div. Take those two double figure years out and he has 50 career goals in 250 appearances. We'd be slating our management if we signed this bloke on $1m a year or whatever it's taken to get him to sign here.
Berisha was playing intermittently and awfully in 2.Bundesliga, Fornaroli was playing Uruguayan Primera and had hugely unsuccessful spells in Italy, Spain, Argentina and Brazil. Going back to before those two, Van Dijk was playing in Dutch 2nd Div scoring once every four games, half as efficient as the goal every other game he had over four seasons in Australia.
I don't think where they play is relevant.
Def my fav part of the off season.
Blokes on here going "he'll boss this league" are currently at a zero win %.
The only blokes that have ever 'bossed this League' are ones that no one ever heard of.
Even when we get a half decent one everyone wants him gone because his goals weren't proper enough or didn't have enough assists.
Face it, you sockah fans have no real idea what you're talking about, and I love it.
Makes the foz way more entertaining.
Ok carry on.
Example to debunk your theory - we all said David Gallop would boss this league.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Plz provide evidence of these proclamations.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
What about that Italian bloke that played for Sydney FC a few seasons back? He did ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
But Mario had been injured and not done anything for years when we got him. This lad for WSW is fit and has been playing good football recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
Yet blokes here are fapping about signing a bloke who played 180 or so times for less than 40 career goals in the best part of 10 years for club and NTQuote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
Let's not even get into taking out his only season of note where he scored 13 ****ing those figures up more
This the same bloke who has been unable to settle anywhere Greece Korea Japan Australia NZ for any period of time before ****ing off to a new club ala Devon Head
Yet no we should look to sign Burns but ignore blokes who played in LaLiga last season ??
What are you basing this on?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Noting that I'm not and never have been one of those 'fapping' over Burns, he at least won A-league player of the year not that long ago. Is anyone here saying he should be getting paid what Riera is on? Not to mention his Oz status which is somewhat favourable in a league with a restricted number of foreigners allowed. He'd be a useful addition to our squad, keeping a marquee spot open.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
I think you've missed the point. You've instantly had a go at the club because WSW signed Riera and we're going to sign some 4th rate guy, because you know the inner workings of Merrick and his Sth American contacts.
Personally I think we've had one of the better off-seasons so far of any club in the league. That could change over the coming month but so far we don't have a lot to complain about, unless of course you're MFKS.
Wait till our as yet unsigned South American marquee player loses his leg following a bad latte on the beach incident and Merrick is sacked for forcing haggis, blood sausage and deep fried mars bars on players as part of pre-season training.Quote:
Originally Posted by halo se7en
You've spoken too soon and jinxed it all.
Carbone?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
:brrr:Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
:rof: I didn't say it will translate to a finals appearance. I just don't think we've got much to complain about considering we potentially have two more influential signings still to come.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
Adelaide have withdrawn all 5 of their Olyroo call ups.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/footbal...0f6205359bb940
Since when has anyone had to back anything up with evidence on the foz ?Quote:
Originally Posted by halo se7en
But if you look at the guys recent record he's been playing in a much stronger comp than the a-league and he's scored goals.
Jardel had done nothing for years, had a well known drug and injury problem, and was known to be a lost cause on the pitch.
facts have no place in this house of lies and hubris
It's there. You just have to lookQuote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Big, harsh call. Would have disrupted their preparation for the FFA Cup even further.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
Just don't reference CNN.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
#fakenews
#CNNisISIS
#hillaryforprison
Did I mention your name in relation to Burns??Quote:
Originally Posted by halo se7en
There is plenty of requests on the Foz for the club to sign the bloke ASAP if you care to look
No I never mentioned anything about wages at all
I couldn't give a **** what WSW are paying this bloke and nor am I upset they signed him and we didn't
What gives me the hump is that I watch the La Liga and Segunda Liga highlights on Foxtel each week and there are plenty of quality players there on **** all really when you consider what we pay foreigners and marquees in wages
But no our dumb **** club is once again looking for a 4th rate Brazillian
Who let's face it have been notoriously poor at our club and in the league in general
Yet we have this Diego Castro bloke killing it in this league
Corona killing it when he was here
Yet we not even looking there for something
FFS we should be tapping Iniesta up now
I also disagree we have had that good of a pre season
We usually wait to the last couple of weeks before we sack the coach so hold your horses
On another note Weak Ankles just got out of his contract with his Thai Club
So the bloke is a free agent
..... What price Kokko swapped for Bridge??
NBN said he'd going to WSW
Ah...is that where Jonesy went?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
no chance anyone will take Brown off our hands as well?? :wink:
but you've strangley assumed that the Jets are serious about winning something. They're still only fking around with 6th/7th at best with this motley crewQuote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Possible to have both? Koko leaves burns and foreigner in, obviously the wrong nationality for you but if we get a good 10 with burns, and already having Odonovan, Petratos and Nabbout we are looking pretty sharp in top third!Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
only 2/3 of the pitch to go.........Quote:
Originally Posted by leftrightout
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It's like talking to a 6yr old..Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Please name these 4th rate Brazilians that Merrick is looking at signing.
Castro kills it in this league = all Spaniards are good.
Fred kills it in this league = forget that, Brazilians suck.
Maybe we should be checking out more Albanians because of Berisha?
Are you the anti-Membah? Your statements are becoming more bizarre by the day and equally as ludicrous. You both break your arguments down into the most simplistic polar opposites without any depth to it. As shallow as a puddle.Quote:
Originally Posted by halo se7en
Ernie has been using his Sth American connection for years, originally through the player agent from Melbourne that died a year or two back (whose name escapes me). When Ernie recruited Fred he wasn't the number 1 recruitment choice. Ernie was quoted that he got lucky with Fred who was an after thought in recruiting Allesandro. Who was diabolically bad. Then there was his marquee signing Ricardinho. 2 year deal....didn't last long. Then there is Claudinho, Ney Fabiano, Marvin Angulo, Josey 'Puppy' Lopez. Thats a lot of misses for 2 hits.
Then not many will remember the Jets used the very same contacts in 2007 when GVE went to Brazil on a 'scouting trip'. Went there to see a particular player, met 2 to 3 agents all claiming to represent this player and was taken to a game to find out he was playing or attending. We ended up signing Denni and Drovandi.
At the same time we have 1-2 agents actively offering players from the Segunda to HAL clubs over the last 2-3 years due to the now comparative wages/economic decline in Spain. The hit rate from here is far higher. To suggest that a striker who has played in the La Liga just last season is somehow deficient because he is not scoring regularly in one of the top 4 leagues in the world.......wow thats some blinkers on right there.
But, as Lawrie openly stated on the Jetstream podcast, we do not have any systems in place to scout and recruit players. Just Lawrie and Ernie.
Let's look at your Brazilian footballers out there
First level you have your Neymar's your Willian you David Luiz etc
Blokes playing and doing well at elite Champions League level
Second Level you have your other Brazilians clogging up Euro clubs that are nowhere near thee guys level
Third level Brazillians you have these blokes playing in Japan and Korea and the Gulf etc that when you watch in the ACL are still a shit load better than anything in this country
4th level you have blokes like Denni and Ribiero and Leonardo and every other Brazillian failure in the league.
Yes this is the lot we are signing from
As for your point on Fred . Yes had 1 good year 10 years ago but done nothing at Heart .
As for the rest of them in this country very few have been successful at all
But no let's keep banging our heads against a wall signing no name Brazilians
Wow, my statements are bizarre yet you side with one of the most contradictory and confusing posters on this forum?Quote:
Originally Posted by borat
We've got MFKS claiming he knows exactly who Merrick is going to sign, and how said player is going to fare in our league, while at the same time criticising the club because we didn't sign this Spanish striker who's record is hardly inspiring. And if you're a striker and can't score regularly - 11 goals in his last 78 matches - then yeah, it's possible that he is somewhat deficient, and maybe he's coming to Australia for money that he possibly isn't worth elsewhere. But unlike you two, I actually see both sides of the coin - he may do well here, but I'm not going to slit my wrists that we haven't signed him. Are you telling me you'd be happy to sign this guy for two years on marquee wages? Like **** you would.
If we were offered a player, we'd see complaints from the same boring posters that we can't scout players and would just take whatever player is looking for a cosy holiday and to boost their retirement fund.
If you actually read my initial post about this, you'd realise I have nothing against Spanish players. My problem comes with forum members automatically thinking other's team signings are going to tear up the league and ours are going to automatically suck.
I am not siding with either of you, you are both as bad as each other at opposite ends of the scale. You both have credible arguments, to some extent, but instead of explaining your point you go straight for the jugular. Maybe the Membah has worn you down to this point but you come across as an apologist now whereas you used to have a reasonable sound arguments that was worth listening to.Quote:
Originally Posted by halo se7en
Although MFKS opinion was delivered with the usual sledgehammer, behind that there is some proven fact to it. That in the history of the HAL that players recruited from Spanish teams or with a Spanish background have performed better than the recruits from South America. Go back and look at the press from 2007 where the league went crazy for South American players. Every team wanted them regardless of their background or resume.
Please point out where I am "splitting my wrists" on O'riel. You seem to be the one talking him down for some reason. Oriel has a good resume and has scored goals in top leagues. Hopefully for WSW they looked past this, maybe talked his past clubs or contacts and more importantly that he has a lot more fitness and press than Piovicari did.
Take 10 seconds and look at the scoring records of pretty much every visa striker that comes to the HAL. The only striker can think of that came here with a good record is Kokko and look how that turned out. O'Donnovan spent the majority of his career not scoring goals until he took the step down to Brunei. The A-League is and always will be a step down. My point being that goal scoring record is a marker, but not an overly good one for recruiting strikers to this league.
Why you's talking about Brazil when all we know is South American? More to South America then Brazil
I don't see any mention of the failed Spanish players in the league...
Arana, Guardiola and Borda from last season alone. Luzardo, Palanca and Hervas and likely a bunch more who were so forgettable that I forgot them.
Who gives a **** where the players are from? It's irrelevant.
I don't think I mentioned Brazil, but that is where the agents that Ernie has contacts with previously and Ernie has said he is using his contacts. Most of his Visa signings at Victory were Brazilian. Anyway, hopefully we use a little more than just agent recommendations because we can't afford to screw up a marquee signing.
Carlos Hernandez was definitely Brazilian.........Quote:
Originally Posted by borat
On completely different news, Mariners are signing Daniel De Silva. No big surprise as its been mooted for sometime. What is a surprise is that Dom Bossi is saying its a marquee signing. Some very murky business going on there