I was going to ask your opinion. How do you think they'd go? Could they sustain it? There isn't a major summer sport team down there, is there?Quote:
Originally Posted by belchardo
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I was going to ask your opinion. How do you think they'd go? Could they sustain it? There isn't a major summer sport team down there, is there?Quote:
Originally Posted by belchardo
the sydney teams would have to play the melbourne teams so there wouldn't be derbies every week.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Anything is a derby if you want to market as such. The Distance Derby, ffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by monz6
The Big Blue - SFC vs MV
The not originals derby - WSW vs MC
The Sky Blue vs Sky Blue Wannabe Derby - SFC vs MC
Former Socceroo Centre Back Turned Coach Derby - WSW vs MV
Sorted.
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Originally Posted by Grimario
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Originally Posted by furns
poorly, no and no. I'd love it, but at the moment I don't see it working. plus the investors they had lined up all got jack of waiting and put their money elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
I hear no-one lives there is summer....Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
would a combined Wollongong Canberra team work.....
Not sure what you base those claims on.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Camel
about 100k difference in population if you are to include from the Burgh to Shellharbour.
The Wolves home crowds more often than not were no less than some of the teams playing in the Burbs of other major cities during the old NSL days.
I think you could forecast/budget for a season average of around 8.5k . 7.5k for home matches against inteterstate opp and somewhere in the region of 12k against other NSW based teams.
WIN Stadium is a reasonable place to get to by public transport all hours of the day and early evening.
Maybe i am a little bias being an old Wolves supporter myself but i would rather see the Wolves return in there own right or just as pleased to see a team from Canberra retrurn to the National comp.
All IMO of course.
Why would they?Quote:
Originally Posted by monz6
Geez guys am I the only person thinking outside the damn circle round here?
just get the epl to kickoff at reasonable times and rebadge all the graphics so people think theyre watching Australian football
IMO Gong > Canberra.Quote:
Originally Posted by 380
I just do not believe the regional teams are the best idea for the next phase of expansion. I think IF you COULD figure out how to work a Shire/Gong Hybrid AND get everyone engaged then that is ideal. I think a Wolves team would max average 7k a season and cannot see how this is profitable long term as the region is not going to grow population wise a massive amount. I see the Macarthur/Camden/Campbelltown/Liverpool region as the one to push ahead with. Far enough away from the City and Parra whilst having a large population already and also being the fastest growing population area in Australia.
Agree with the Nix getting the arse though. Unless the NZFA kick in a few million a year and SkyTV do the same we are effectively subsidizing NZ football development
Here's an Idea from left field.
Leave Nix where they are, get the NZ government, Sky TV and NZ Football to start spending a bit of money.
With that money finance Auckland City to join the A-League along with this Southern Sydney club in 2017.
2020 we bring in Western Pride (Ipswich) or Brisbane Strikers with Wollongong Wolves and wallah you have a 14 team competition A-League.
Dubbo
Not as silly as it seems. Pretty sure football followers from Parkes, Forbes , Wello , Mudgee and Orange would make the effort every second week.Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
Teams can stay at Emmo's in laws motel in Dubbo.
Wasn't a joke suggestion.
No national league has a truly regional/country presence.
Would help knock rugby league in arse out in the bush.
Would be hard to get footballers to move to a "remote" town though.
Geelong would be worth considering.
Hunter Hawks, would give the Jets a real derbyQuote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/...k1uvs67fr9drfk
"**** off the lot of you, especially you Arnie. Pay attention to coaching, you twat"
I think that's how it translates.
With a great crowd for the FFA Cup game down in the Gong, there seems to be a groundswell of support for Wolves to get a licence sooner rather than later. Would be nice for either Canberra or a 2nd Brisbane team to get the second new licence as well.
Interesting to see this article pop up today too, although I think it's way too soon for another Perth team
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sp...a-league-team/
Do you think a second Brissy side would get the support? Considering the more recent success of the Roar, they still don't seem to get massive support (unless it just looks that way due to the size of suncorp)Quote:
Originally Posted by furns
Scum need to look over their shoulder if there's a push for the Gong to get a look in...
Yes Suncorp is huge and looks empty with 12 k in. But considering their success to be getting crowds of 10k or so is a worry.Quote:
Originally Posted by halo se7en
FFS they have won 3 GFs lost 2 GF qualifiers and the semis the other year in the last 6 years.
What are their crowds gonna be like when they losing and playing shit football???
The sooner the Capital cities like Perth Brisbane Adelaide are ready for second teams the better. Besides the Derby being a plus for the area having two teams in the media everyday having a game on each week in the city is good for the game.
Regional teams are dead end propositions
NQ failed
Gold Coast failed
Gypos are a basket case
Look at the cluster**** we are
Expansion has to come from the major cities and the regional places are a non goer until the FFA are in a position to subsidise and prop up sides like the AFL has done with GWS and Gold Coast Suns
Interesting angle on this topic Member but I think we'll probably see a 3rd Sydney team (Sutherland/South Sydney) before the other capitals. Wollongong has a decent case but I think FFA are wary of giving a franchise to another regional area. Earlier in the week there was an article that a Chinese consortium was interested in getting a team into the A-League through NSL heavyweight the Melbourne Knights. Will be interesting to see if anything comes from this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
We need to have a 14 team comp by 2020, with only 10 teams it is becoming stale. Probably won't happen for a while but a 2nd division with promotion/relegation needs to eventually come in too.
One problem I have with expansion is population v distance = disproportionate travel costs in comparison to potential fan bases (particularly in the Australian market where football is still not the number one code in any state). Australia is virtually as large as the US with less than one tenth the population. A s'hithole like England is maybe the size of Victoria so travelling anywhere isn't gonna take that long comparatively. The cost v profitability of travelling more frequently around Australia would need the FFA to prop up the smaller regional teams, which isn't gonna happen I don't reckon, so the league would probably end up top heavy with Sydney and Melbourne teams with the other states not being profitable enough to support more than the current team a piece, and the regional teams failing - kind of like the old NSL really... :D
Then theres paytv and if they ever decide to stump up enough cash to cover the travel etc then it may have a small chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by turbojetfireV8
imo crowds are the atmosphere more than revenue.
Opinions on having a team in Tasmania?..... They apparently had 2k last night on a rainy cold night..Would Tasmanians get behind their a-league sukkah team?
Not just 2k, that 2000 was 9.5% of the population!Quote:
Originally Posted by lquiquer
No to tassie. They are years away.
2nd Brisbane team should be located in Logan/Ipswich.
I think Wollongong would be a better option to Sth Sydney, SFC will kick up an absolute stink if it's a possibility of going ahead.
No to second Brisbane team - even their NRL attempt (the Crushers) failed after the honeymoon period. As it is now Roar are a basket case - that needs to be sorted first.
I agree. I don't think you can compare demographics of "Western Brisbane" to those of "Western Sydney", hence a franchise there I think wouldn't be a great success. Also populations of Sydney and Melbourne are both twice the population of Brisbane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
And personally I would prefer an Illawara team to a South Sydney team.
the Daily Football show did a series on expansion.
the demographics or that western Brisbane area seem good.
but sort the roar out first - mind you, WSW help give Syd FC the arse kicking they need.
maybe part of Roar's problem is they are able to be so complacent.
the Daily Football show series was quite good - if you can stand listen to Adrian Horton pretending to know what he's talking about.
I don't think they finished it. THey got through 8 of the 10 episodes they planned. And yes - it can be difficult to listen to. They tend to overall bash any club except the Melbourne and Sydney teams and tend to look at the negative of everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
Welcome to nf.net/fozQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
I was going to add that but I decided not to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
But seriously, they bash us more than people on here.
So why isn't the good Membah host?Quote:
tend to look at the negative of everything.
I love it when George Donikian asks a bloke a question and then gives the bloke his answer.... then moves on to his next question and proceeds to answer it for the bloke as well.
Yeah I'm more inclined to go for the Gong ahead of a 3rd Sydney team. Have heard that SFC are dead against a team from Sutherland/South Sydney as 20% of their fanbase is from this area.Quote:
Originally Posted by furns
it would be fantastic that if, one day, one of these 'football in the future' reports actually had a plan for football in the future.
The Yanks are showing how its done as far as infrastructure etc is concerned. Places like Brisbane should have a purpose built AAMI park sized stadium that they own and control. get a 2nd team to share it and get out from some of these garbage leases that are one of the biggest issues for current clubs.
Problem is in order for teams/owners to invest those sums of money the FFA is going to have to let them in on the power sharing. That was always the issue for Palmer and Tinks, blokes who came from a place that said if you pay the bills, you get a say in how your show is run. FFA aren't down with that. and this is generally where the argument begins and ends.
The federal government with their unlimited spending power in the domestic currency need to step up to the plate and deliver the required infrastructure.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Private sector cannot and will not be able to do it due to their limited spending power and the need to make a profit [which there is nothing wrong with either].
The FFA is the worst of both worlds. It behaves like a government but has the limited spending power of a private enterprise.
The only way I can see this working is if government subsidies someone big enough to take on these types of projects under some kind of a BOOT scheme [ Build - Own - Operate -Transfer].
Therefore, the private sector get a risk free investment, a guaranteed ROI, and kudos from the public for being more efficient than government ... and so on [sic].
The government will also avoid any ridiculous comparisons to a Weimar Republic situation and have the costs removed from its balance sheet.
The fans will hopefully get the stadiums and League they desire and if their really lucky they might even be able to afford to see a game or two.