Do you think a second Brissy side would get the support? Considering the more recent success of the Roar, they still don't seem to get massive support (unless it just looks that way due to the size of suncorp)Originally Posted by furns
Do you think a second Brissy side would get the support? Considering the more recent success of the Roar, they still don't seem to get massive support (unless it just looks that way due to the size of suncorp)
Scum need to look over their shoulder if there's a push for the Gong to get a look in...
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Yes Suncorp is huge and looks empty with 12 k in. But considering their success to be getting crowds of 10k or so is a worry.
FFS they have won 3 GFs lost 2 GF qualifiers and the semis the other year in the last 6 years.
What are their crowds gonna be like when they losing and playing shit football???
The sooner the Capital cities like Perth Brisbane Adelaide are ready for second teams the better. Besides the Derby being a plus for the area having two teams in the media everyday having a game on each week in the city is good for the game.
Regional teams are dead end propositions
NQ failed
Gold Coast failed
Gypos are a basket case
Look at the cluster**** we are
Expansion has to come from the major cities and the regional places are a non goer until the FFA are in a position to subsidise and prop up sides like the AFL has done with GWS and Gold Coast Suns
Interesting angle on this topic Member but I think we'll probably see a 3rd Sydney team (Sutherland/South Sydney) before the other capitals. Wollongong has a decent case but I think FFA are wary of giving a franchise to another regional area. Earlier in the week there was an article that a Chinese consortium was interested in getting a team into the A-League through NSL heavyweight the Melbourne Knights. Will be interesting to see if anything comes from this one.
We need to have a 14 team comp by 2020, with only 10 teams it is becoming stale. Probably won't happen for a while but a 2nd division with promotion/relegation needs to eventually come in too.
One problem I have with expansion is population v distance = disproportionate travel costs in comparison to potential fan bases (particularly in the Australian market where football is still not the number one code in any state). Australia is virtually as large as the US with less than one tenth the population. A s'hithole like England is maybe the size of Victoria so travelling anywhere isn't gonna take that long comparatively. The cost v profitability of travelling more frequently around Australia would need the FFA to prop up the smaller regional teams, which isn't gonna happen I don't reckon, so the league would probably end up top heavy with Sydney and Melbourne teams with the other states not being profitable enough to support more than the current team a piece, and the regional teams failing - kind of like the old NSL really...
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Then theres paytv and if they ever decide to stump up enough cash to cover the travel etc then it may have a small chance.One problem I have with expansion is population v distance = disproportionate travel costs in comparison to potential fan bases (particularly in the Australian market where football is still not the number one code in any state). Australia is virtually as large as the US with less than one tenth the population. A s'hithole like England is maybe the size of Victoria so travelling anywhere isn't gonna take that long comparatively. The cost v profitability of travelling more frequently around Australia would need the FFA to prop up the smaller regional teams, which isn't gonna happen I don't reckon, so the league would probably end up top heavy with Sydney and Melbourne teams with the other states not being profitable enough to support more than the current team a piece, and the regional teams failing - kind of like the old NSL really...
imo crowds are the atmosphere more than revenue.
Opinions on having a team in Tasmania?..... They apparently had 2k last night on a rainy cold night..Would Tasmanians get behind their a-league sukkah team?
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Originally Posted by Grimario
He won't make that mistake at Newcastle since our team is full of number 2's.
Not just 2k, that 2000 was 9.5% of the population!
No to tassie. They are years away.
2nd Brisbane team should be located in Logan/Ipswich.
I think Wollongong would be a better option to Sth Sydney, SFC will kick up an absolute stink if it's a possibility of going ahead.
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No to second Brisbane team - even their NRL attempt (the Crushers) failed after the honeymoon period. As it is now Roar are a basket case - that needs to be sorted first.
I agree. I don't think you can compare demographics of "Western Brisbane" to those of "Western Sydney", hence a franchise there I think wouldn't be a great success. Also populations of Sydney and Melbourne are both twice the population of Brisbane.
And personally I would prefer an Illawara team to a South Sydney team.
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Originally Posted by Grimario
He won't make that mistake at Newcastle since our team is full of number 2's.
the Daily Football show did a series on expansion.
the demographics or that western Brisbane area seem good.
but sort the roar out first - mind you, WSW help give Syd FC the arse kicking they need.
maybe part of Roar's problem is they are able to be so complacent.
the Daily Football show series was quite good - if you can stand listen to Adrian Horton pretending to know what he's talking about.
I don't think they finished it. THey got through 8 of the 10 episodes they planned. And yes - it can be difficult to listen to. They tend to overall bash any club except the Melbourne and Sydney teams and tend to look at the negative of everything.
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I was going to add that but I decided not to.
But seriously, they bash us more than people on here.
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So why isn't the good Membah host?tend to look at the negative of everything.
I love it when George Donikian asks a bloke a question and then gives the bloke his answer.... then moves on to his next question and proceeds to answer it for the bloke as well.
Yeah I'm more inclined to go for the Gong ahead of a 3rd Sydney team. Have heard that SFC are dead against a team from Sutherland/South Sydney as 20% of their fanbase is from this area.
it would be fantastic that if, one day, one of these 'football in the future' reports actually had a plan for football in the future.
The Yanks are showing how its done as far as infrastructure etc is concerned. Places like Brisbane should have a purpose built AAMI park sized stadium that they own and control. get a 2nd team to share it and get out from some of these garbage leases that are one of the biggest issues for current clubs.
Problem is in order for teams/owners to invest those sums of money the FFA is going to have to let them in on the power sharing. That was always the issue for Palmer and Tinks, blokes who came from a place that said if you pay the bills, you get a say in how your show is run. FFA aren't down with that. and this is generally where the argument begins and ends.
The federal government with their unlimited spending power in the domestic currency need to step up to the plate and deliver the required infrastructure.
Private sector cannot and will not be able to do it due to their limited spending power and the need to make a profit [which there is nothing wrong with either].
The FFA is the worst of both worlds. It behaves like a government but has the limited spending power of a private enterprise.
The only way I can see this working is if government subsidies someone big enough to take on these types of projects under some kind of a BOOT scheme [ Build - Own - Operate -Transfer].
Therefore, the private sector get a risk free investment, a guaranteed ROI, and kudos from the public for being more efficient than government ... and so on [sic].
The government will also avoid any ridiculous comparisons to a Weimar Republic situation and have the costs removed from its balance sheet.
The fans will hopefully get the stadiums and League they desire and if their really lucky they might even be able to afford to see a game or two.
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