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Please stay Hoole
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Please sign for SFC Carney
Please stay Hoole
+1,000,000Quote:
Originally Posted by joel31
Hoole is such a raw talent and with the right coaching could become a great player. Honestly for his own good and the good of a possible future socceroo i would like to see him go.
Definitely agree. Have heard that the squad is extremely top heavy salary wise with a few players on big big money and I would guess that Carney is one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by joel31
If we were in the top 2 and shedding players it would be something to worry about. Shedding players in the bottom 2 is a godsend
How is it advantageous for us to free up wage space? We don't pay players salaries - the FFA do. And if we use less of the allocated funds available, the FFA doesn't give us that money.
Surely it would be better for him to play every week at Newy then to never play at SydneyQuote:
Originally Posted by Imyourhero
That isn't how I thought it workedQuote:
Originally Posted by pv4
What is your source for that?
The money from the FFA to the clubs, which is from the TV money, is enough for the club to pay the salary cap to players.Quote:
Originally Posted by joel31
Yeah, but the TV money doesn't sit in a kitty at FFA HQ and can only be drawn on by salary, surely? If Tinks & co slash everyone, that money still goes to the Jerks, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
Problem is the salary floor which neither FFA or PFA will answer me about on twitter.
nah. stay and face the hard facts and be a hero when fortunes turn*Quote:
Originally Posted by Imyourhero
*hopefully within 10
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Originally Posted by Grimario
The TV deal money is only for the salary cap. Clubs don't receive the leftover money if they don't fully use the cap. And also, it's not just one big lump sum given to each club that they can spend however - it is specifically for player payments.
That's why the month or two back when we weren't paying our staff, there was no mention of players not getting their wage and it was only backroom staff that were the worry - because the backroom staff are the operating costs the club actually have to fork out for themselves.
If I'm led to believe correctly, the FFA work in yearly-quarters as to when they review the amount of salary cap each club has used (as it obviously changes all the time, with contract terminations, injury replacements, squad additions, etc). So I assume that the clubs get a payment each quarter from the FFA for player wages.
Salary floor is 85% of the salary cap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
That's awesome then.
Still doesn't solve the "how ****ed are the Jets if they don't pay the salary floor" question though.
And I know it is 85%... but if we bin off 4-5 players and our total salary is less than that, how ****ed are we?
If my maths is correct, the difference between 85% of the cap and 100% is $380,250. So that's 2-3 higher paid players, or a heap of squaddies, that we can offload no worries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
If we do drop below the salary floor, what I would imagine would happen is we give a raise to some of our existing players - some of which we'd be in negotiations to re-sign already as they'll be out of contract at the end of this year.
Just asked Lowey how the negotiations with Mullen are going. Things have stalled because we can't agree with WSW about the % of his wage they'll pay.
Interesting!
WSW are probably trying to crunch the numbers to see how many of their new signings for ACL-only they can fit into the HAL squad, and adjust their cap accordingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
I know when CCM had Flores, MV were paying 60% of his wage still. This kind of thing (split salaries across two clubs) isn't uncommon in the league.
So I read into that we're still paying for Gallaway's salary. :gent:Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
And of course you'd know the books of the gypos Pv4. ;)
Just wanted to put this one out there again, I still haven't washed since that fateful day..Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
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Yeah I could smell you from my seat in Bay 10 on Tuesday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bon
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh so that was you!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
I kept going "man, that bloke looks familiar" but I was sober at the stadium for once and couldn't put my finger on it..
Hover hand or no hover hand?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bon
Thats not correct. The FFA still provide central grants as they have always done, its just that the amount the clubs receive since last season now exceeds the salary cap. As pointed out there is an 85% cap floor that must be spent meaning that funds in excess of 85% can be spent by the club as they see fit. FFA pays the clubs quarterly and clubs pay the players.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
[Edit] The CEO/chairman of every club is required to provide a signed undertaking that the club distributions will only go towards player salaries. Any additional funds remaining after player payments are are met can be used for "other purposes" providing all other obligations have been met.
Out of interest the difference now between salary floor and grant is this year $382, 500. [Edit]
What is different is how the penalties are enforced now for non-payment of players. Non payment of players is and has always been a breach of licence meaning its grounds for stripping the licence as what happened to Con. When the grants were increased clubs were told the enforcement would be non conditional and any non-payment would result in a stripping of the licence. Thats why Tinks has always maintained the players are paid on time although there has been instances of late payment of super.
They could potentially only slash players to the 20 player squad minimum and 85% of the cap. We are reportedly already well under cap but as both Flores and Galloway were min wage players its unlikely to have any effect to the cap. Any other players sold from this point will have to be replaced to the same value at least to keep within A-league regulationsQuote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
We would be in breach of the regs for clubs and the licence could be revoked. That won't happen while Tinks wants to keep/sell the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
The CBA covers all this
ah ok. that solves that. i was thinking after earlier posts that if FFA covers the full salary cap, and the money can only be used for the salary cap, then why the hell wouldn't a club use the full salary cap? your "other purposes" makes it abundantly clear. FFA subsidising tinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by borat
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/artic...ts-house-order
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Tinkler, who took over as chairman after the resignation last week of Ray Baartz, said he is working with the governing body to ease its anxieties and 'take the club forward'.
The Singapore-based businessman also insisted that a new CEO would be appointed within weeks to replace Robbie Middleby, who left the club along with Baartz, a move which prompted Tinkler into taking the reins.
"There are things we need to fix like our relationship with Northern NSW Football. But I don’t think you would walk into any A-League club and say everything is perfect," said Tinkler.
"Those outstanding debts will get tidied up. We have now got our heads around things and are working on fixing them in the next couple of weeks.
"I’m still getting my feet under the desk (as chairman) and I have spoken to just about everybody involved with the club now.
"There are definitely things to work on and we need to improve our performance off the paddock as well as on it."
The Jets owe $140,000 to Northern NSW Football for the Emerging Jets and W-League programs and are $30,000 in arrears in rent at their university training base.
A-League chief Damien De Bohun and the FFA's chief operating officer John Kelly journeyed to the Hunter on Monday to meet Jets staff and assess the club’s operations, with De Bohun subsequently expressing his concerns over its sustainability but also stating he was pleased to see Tinkler pledging to inject capital and taking a more hands on role.
"There’s no magic bullet in turning the place around,” added Tinkler. "Acknowledging issues and dealing with them is the first step forward - and we are doing that.
"We are working with FFA to make them comfortable. They have our full cooperation."
Tinker reiterated his desire to swiftly appoint a new CEO, adding: “The process is going ahead. Some candidates should be shortlisted in the next week or two and then we’ll conduct some interviews and we’ll get somebody fit for purpose that can be there day-to-day and take things forward."
He also lashed out at those he believes have questioned the club’s commitment to its 10,000-plus members.
"There’s a perception out there put forward by certain sections of the media that we don’t have a deep relationship with our member base,” he said.
"We have built that member base and getting results for our members and fans is our primary aim ... it narks me when people say we aren’t focused on membership or community engagement.
"That’s the top priority for everybody involved at club. One thing we all have in common is that we want the club to win and unfortunately injuries haven’t helped us this year."
While young defender Sam Gallaway and playmaker Marcos Flores have left the club within days of each other, Tinkler insisted he is working to keep the core of the team together and revealed that Andrew Hoole – one of the bright sparks in a disappointing first half of the season – has been offered a new contract in a bid to stave off a raid from Sydney FC.
"(Jets coach) Phil (Stubbins) is looking forward to working with him and watching him develop over the next few years," he said.
"We’ve tabled a new offer and are very keen to retain him. He is a great young prospect and we want to retain our best juniors, starting with him.
"He’s been a standout and one of the best under 23 year olds in the competition."
On the exit of Flores to North American Soccer League side Jacksonville Armada, Tinkler said: "It would have been silly to stand in his way after he was offered a three-year contract. He had some fitness issues with us and was limited in the amount of games he played."
Tinkler said he was heartened that David Carney had committed himself to the club despite interest from Sydney FC, adding: “He has been one of our best this season.
"He’s happy to stay and is a winner who wants to be a part of what we’re trying to build here."
Tinkler is also hoping to see the best of creative midfielder Billy Celeski in the second half of the season after he too was beset by injuries.
"We haven’t seen much of him yet but he was one of the better players in the competition a year or so back and hopefully there will be an upside in the second half of the season when we get guys like him and Jeronimo more involved and up to peak form."
Tinkler shrugged off on-going criticism of his methods in the Newcastle press, declaring: “A few bloggers doesn't ruin anybody’s day.
"I’d like to think the FFA is a bit smarter and looks at the 10,000-plus members and not the three or so different names that login and blog the same stupid comments every day. That's effectively what they call the Newcastle Herald isn't it?
"Whether it’s a Jets coach, a Knights coach, a Jets CEO or a Knights chairman ... once you take on that role in Newcastle you are there to be vilified.
"Every time the team gets beat it’s your fault. Every player indiscretion is your fault – that's just how it is.
"I have spent lot of time in Newcastle and I don’t think everybody is like that. Just one small portion of the media, unfortunately.
"It’s nice to get into club in a more hands on way, build some relationships, tackle some issues – hopefully people are appreciating dealing with a decision maker."
Fans?Quote:
"I’m still getting my feet under the desk (as chairman) and I have spoken to just about everybody involved with the club now.
This is good.Quote:
Tinkler insisted he is working to keep the core of the team together and revealed that Andrew Hoole – one of the bright sparks in a disappointing first half of the season – has been offered a new contract in a bid to stave off a raid from Sydney FC.
As much as this made me laugh, insulting the paper isn't a great move.Quote:
"I’d like to think the FFA is a bit smarter and looks at the 10,000-plus members and not the three or so different names that login and blog the same stupid comments every day. That's effectively what they call the Newcastle Herald isn't it?
All up, a decent positive outlook.
Could be smoke and mirrors, time will tell.
Makes a great point about Newcastle's tall poppy syndrome, it is one thing we need to shake off if we are ever going to progress.
Also just saw our favourite pieman is no longer required
https://twitter.com/socstoppagetime/...14722379657216
Surprised how he actually knows who the guys in the club are - a very lucid interview, interesting.
Worst case is it is all baloney and we'll be taken over by FFA or fold.
Best case is Tinks has seen the light, told RM and RB to jump or be pushed and will bring better people in.
I'm 50/50 at this stage - as above, time will tell.
**** me. I bet Tinks throws him a contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty
What price he signs for us??Quote:
Originally Posted by matty
Things are already hard enough to swallow as it is.
We are desperate for players and he is available.
This just keeps getting worse :facepalm:
Love how Tinks is using the " No babe I won't blow in your mouth" approach to getting the fans on side.
what is this?
Tinkler speaking sense
One way of destroying the club from the inside.Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
I think it's fantastic that the bloke writing the cheques finally is interested in the players. Whatever the endgameQuote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
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Originally Posted by Jetmaster
Issue is at this stage it is all talk.
Talk may lead to action and all that
Talk may also be bullshit being blown up our arses.
Not wishing to be a cynical **** but we have years of talk from the club about sticking with us we will turn it around and all the other bullshit clichés spat out.
Actions speak louder than words.
I think we need to see some action in the next week and I am not talking about signing some nobody we have never heard of.
Tinks need to deliver something that says he is to be believed until then the jury is out
I agree, though will give him till the end of the transfer windowQuote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
We have 2 foreign spots in the roster. If he was serious we would use them
In my opinion he's saying all the right things but behind the scenes it's far from what he's portraying and is running the club into the ground and asset stripping so he can make himself out to be the good guy when all hell breaks loose and the FFA step in.
:lulz:Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
It's been a week, what were you expecting? And what assets has he stripped?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
I don't particularly beleive the guy either but there has been nothing this week that suggests what you say. It's the previous 18 months he has to answer for.