Bit ironic if this weeks games in NBN get called off, as looking likely, poor Lambton would lose without getting to play, and Azzuri go through to play them next week ... hhhhm interesting
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Bit ironic if this weeks games in NBN get called off, as looking likely, poor Lambton would lose without getting to play, and Azzuri go through to play them next week ... hhhhm interesting
I see the irony but it is more distressing that a city our size struggles to have one ground capable of being played this weekend after a few days of rain.Quote:
Originally Posted by GO AWAY
Lets face it the rain hasn't reached any epic levels the last few days and despite having over 100 years to get suitable facilities to cope with wet weather we are praying it fines up to get some games played. Not really good enough
the chicken sheds availableQuote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
:popcorn:
Have to agree to some degree as a few years ago when my son went through the rep program the coach told him who he should play for and even introduced him to the club, along with a few other players.
I'll bite.Quote:
Originally Posted by mother theresa
What's the problem?
Should they be distributed evenly to all the NPL teams?
Everyone has a choice. Just because Jack Black's coach is coaching at Red/black, doesn't mean jack black HAS to go there, but if he wants to he can.
Foley is a great youth coach. Why wouldn't you want to play for him if he is going to develop your game the best?
Think that has more to do with them scheduling trials after the NPL season has finished for possible prospects for the EJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by mother theresa
If they scheduled them during the season everyone would be up in arms about that
Unless it's improved since 3-4 week ago when we had that other bout of rain, it shouldn't be played on, was all mud and wasn't up to amateur all age standard, let alone NPL. Not your guys fault, but the games should have been called off.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
Also, FFS, the kids are 12-13 years old.
Beats me why they need trials also.Quote:
Originally Posted by mother theresa
End of the day they should have all the best kids already in their system.
As you say maybe they need to actually get off their arses and get to the NPL Youth games to actually identify them early.
What exactly does the Head of the Emerging Jets actually do??
I feel like we just went around in one big circle.
In my opinion, while it is a bit dodgy, I don't see a problem with an NPL Club, scouting out a U/12 Development team coach and giving him the U/13s coach position, and that said coach bringing in majority of his U/12s development team. This looks like a natural progression for both coach and players. This is not sustainable though. These development teams are supposedly the best ~15 players in the area, so it appears to me to be a big coup to whoever can ascertain the services of these players. The problem would occur if these players were blackmailed there by coach.
I'll use Foley at Charlestown --> Edgy as an example. Not privy to all the details, not pretending I am. But on face value, Foley, had a falling out at Charlestown and was offered a position at Edgeworth. Accepted said position as Edgeworth coach. Now I've heard the majority of his Charlestown team, followed him to Edgy. Can I ask in all seriousness what about this scenario, do you not agree with?
Interchangeably, a U/12 development team coach is offered a U/13s coaching gig at an NPL club. U/12 players enjoyed playing with said coach and see this as a good opportunity to join a NPL club. So they join him. For me, this is a clever way to get a group of promising young footballers into your NPL club. I'm sure all clubs would appreciate that this is not sustainable in the long term but in a competition where you are competing with other clubs, it will be seen as justified. There's nothing stopping other clubs from trying to do this?
This years selections a being run and controlled by NNSWF because they believe the process was floored last year, please give be strength, pot kettle black glass houses
With that, these development teams could well be obsolete soon as the NPL Youth starts to effect.
I take it you are talking about the Emerging Jets???Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
Yep
thoughts on this issue??????Quote:
Originally Posted by mother theresa
Fark!! $750. That's farken ridiculous!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mother theresa
$750 :|
That's robbery.
I was playing seniors and never paid more than $400. All the training kits, rego, warm up, match stuff, dress stuff, everything included.
You get shit like this happening and it it hard to justify any reason to pay players in first gradeQuote:
Originally Posted by mother theresa
Give some benefit of the doubt as teething problems for the time being.Quote:
Originally Posted by mother theresa
Be ridiculous though if the same thing happens this year and they ain't getting closer to getting the best kids available in the system.
Pretty sure if you check your history you will find that azzurri were stripped of their nyl teams years ago for doing the same shit back then.Getting the kids regos a year in advance to pay out the first grade squad from the season just playedQuote:
Originally Posted by mother theresa
$750 For what players get now... bargain... Accredited Coaches... Winter Training facilities... special training nights... Ref fees per week... player equipment: polos, tracksuits, warm up gear, winter training gear, summer training gear, match day kit... club functions... Nothing is for free these days, if you want a value for money pastime go to the beach and swim in and out of rips... Sydney regos for U13-U17 NPL ranges from $2000-$2700... Talking at a Jaffas NPL youth fixture to a Magic manager they did a budget check before the implementation of the NPL and found that players from U19's to First grade alone cost the club just over $1300 per player in "football related" expenses, excluding senior match payments... That is only considering the expenses listed above... Clubs reply on sponsors and match takings to cover the shortfall and senior player payments... most clubs dont have a licensed club to give them a fat check from pokie revenue each year to top up the kitty like most eggball clubs do, its very hard for most...
Clubs desperate for that extra income stream will inevitably call on contributions from its members... some clubs may include youth players as those members of the club as well... in the end... most in newcastle football determine a clubs credibility as it revolves around the success of their first grade team anyways... what about all the effort to put NPL programs in place for Lakes to have first grade fail and the whole club suffer, programs down the drain, all that gear, strips etc purchased for 7 grades? what happens to it? but i agree either directly or indirectly rego payments must be budgeted within clubs to provide football services for players not pay exorbitant first grade fees.
This $1300 per player in expenses where is this money going?? This seems a little excessiveQuote:
Originally Posted by The Magician
The club unable to negotiate a good deal on polos and tracksuits in bulk??
I think u'll find most regos will just cover the cost of their gear and the NNSWF rego with $100-150 left over for the rest of the expenses... half of all gear costing is the printing and embroidery. NNSWF should start open up a printing and logo service aligned to their First Touch supplies... they got cheap gear on their webpage... Nike shirts $20... but add logo... $8... player intial... $5... thats 33 for a training shirt... players might get 2 or 3 over the course of the year. hard to wash a shirt 3 times in the week for 3 sessions of training, plus maybe a weekend warm up. Couple of hundred grand is peanuts for NNSWF to get set up... no one would looks for strips anywhere elseQuote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Yes in sydney you can pay up to $3000 in some clubs , $750 for CCB is cheap when you inc match fees etc some clubs you had to pay more then $750 in Newcastle.
So when you look at what sydney pay we have got it good dont you think !! A lot of people would not be able to pay $3000 for one child let alone if they have two or more playing NPL .
Are you implying the reason the NPL Yoof comp is here is just to give clubs an avenue to subsidize trying to buy first grade premierships??Quote:
Originally Posted by mother theresa
:fright:
Even if you develop the players... congratulations!!! doesn't mean the player is going to play for free because you so called "developed" them, if they think they are first grade materials they will chase the guaranteed start and the cash... Soccer costs thats what you can guarentee... no if or buts about it... garnish... $20 per player for the first team... 64 NPL YTH players thats $1280... @ $50 $3200.... @$100 thats $6400... on a $60-$80K player and coaching bonus budget over all 7 squads its not really impacting... Add them totals up and it probably doesn't even equal what Jobe has been paid to play at Jaffas over the past 2 years and you get perspective... i dont think clubs can be garnishing more than $100 per NPL SNR player rego... lets be serious...
Clubs don't develop players overnight... club honestly wont be able to see fruits of their NPL programs for years to come yet... Youth development isnt something new because we have branded it NPL... clubs have been doing it since year dot... most players when they get to 19-22 just dont cut it at a first grade level, and players that do make the cut you want to keep at all costs and experience in a squad can be like an extra player on the field in itself... players and parents have to understand that, but if a club is forced to play yth.. and get relegated after the fact, thats a sad state.. sure the E Jets will corner the market on the best of the regions talent... but what is left over? are they upto scratch... How would the yth right now (19-22) cut it against 19-20 year old, Cresnars? Halpins? Burts? Wilsons? Coopers? Austins? Haynes?
But i also agree... clubs in debt? that have not been developing a facility or some type of asset needs to be addressed
To say Football costs is an absolute farce. The only reason it costs is the over the top spending by players on things like wages to players and excessive levels of uniform provided.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Magician
Seriously does it really require clubs to supply players with all these items of clothing??
Does it really matter if Magic u23's are training in 3 x personalised Magic shirts with the players initials on them 3 nights a week when no one is actually watching?? Surely the players can wear their own shirts like 95% of the other clubs in this country do at training. They ain't a professional club who can justify the expense
It to me is an unneeded luxury that is being funded by imposing EXCESSIVE fees on juniors to pay for it.
As for wages being pissed away to fund players it is a joke. It is an amateur competition and to pay players is farcical when it can not be afforded or sustained. To then have to fleece kids playing the game to fund this is almost a crime. Maybe if less money was being frittered away we may have a couple of clubs with a venue with suitable drainage that this weekends semis are not a concern with the weather
People say there isn't enough money in the game in this country to be a real football nation. The reality is there is plenty of money floating about and it just ends up in the wrong areas.
Any justification on the fees being acceptable cause they are less than Sydney is complete crap. What goes on there is just a bigger disgrace.
The game should be kept as cheap as possible FOR ALL to enjoy and should not be the domain of those that can afford to have their parents find large sums of money just so some first grade player can get a couple of grand to play a game 18 weeks a year
Totally agree with this. The whole 'it's more expensive in Sydney' argument is wearing thin. There's no way that what these parents pay for is worth $700-800. That's ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
But as stated earlier the parents are backed into a corner and have to pay it or else risk missing out on a spot at a big club.
I'd love to see nnswf put a cap on the prices of junior football rego, force clubs to chase more sponsorship dollars or don't have the luxuries of three personalised training shirts, track suits etc because quite frankly $700 is too much when the aim of the game at the moment is to be getting as many people as possible to play our game.
I don't see why the Sydney argument holds any weight at all. Just because somewhere does it this way, does that mean it automatically becomes a role model for us to base our relevant thing on? It's ridiculous. But to be fair, if parents are that gullible to pay said costs when there's a good chance the kids won't make NBN first grade, let alone professionally, then I suppose it's good business for the clubs.
That being said, in my opinion, NNSWF should impose a cap for NPL youth fees.
Sorry no SBS being watched in my house, not even fox.Quote:
Originally Posted by mother theresa
And were did I say I had paid the money ????
I am well aware of the rumours going around about monies owed. As I am aware of some of the origins of said rumours
As for dragging other clubs into it, I am lucky enough to be able to talk with a lot of parents from a lot of different clubs and guess what ?? every one I spoke with has been asked to put $$$ down to secure position next year.So not just blue and red/black sorry.
As for smelling roses........well my son signed and returned his letter because he is happy in his team, they play well, they are coached well and they get on well as a team. If other crap is going on with in the club it certainly isn't filtering down to my sons team.
So many hidden costs not being mentioned here, referees come to approximately $1000 when both senior and youth play at home, times that by ten, medical / first aid, strapping tape, qualified physio on the side lines, coaching courses time seven, affiliation fees around $7000 etc etc, south Cardiff charge every player $600 , that's every player senior and youth and out of that there's not much change, try joining a committee and help out if you have all the answers, it ain't easy but it is enjoyable
Please never speak poorly of Foley in a public way again.Quote:
Originally Posted by mother theresa
This may be a silly question, or it may be one you prefer not to answer, but that $600 - do players who get paid to play in first grade have to pay that (either upfront or it gets taken out of their final wage)? Or do they get free rego?Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
Which mol club are you referring to ??Quote:
Originally Posted by mother theresa
Shite.......dont tell CCB but I only paid $650.Quote:
Originally Posted by mother theresa
I know it is a lot but to be honest I thought it was fair, certainly when compared to other local NPL clubs ( with out dragging Sydney into it )
Now at season end I can sit back and say it was more that fair, our $650 got us, Accredited coach, who is undertaking further accreditation, the coach is well organised and plans every session, as such every time my son got in the car after training he would say "great sesh", he never said that once after training last year with EJ's. Technical director who was at every game taking notes and would talk with team & coach at 1/2 time and game end. Great training facilities with the use of the cage at club azzurie and charlestown oval. I can only recall two sessions being missed due to rain. He also got the obligatory Training shirt ( only one ) training shorts, socks, game shorts & training jacket.
Maybe we are getting ripped blind, but and I can only talk for my son's team, when compared to others and what they paid at other clubs I am more than happy with my spend.
Indirectly they do... Ejets charge $900 plus camp costs and they travel all over newcastle looking for training ground... clubs shouldn't be charging more than the Ejets... And if these are our elite kids the best of the best and NNSWF can justify charging this much all other arguments about excessive rego in the NPL are rendered null and void.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas477
If Barcelona can't not afford to not charge what chance does Levante and Getaffe have in not having too?
I believe they pay (either up front or out of payments) if you are talking about Southy. Other clubs are different though, each club has a particular negotiating/payment philosophy.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
I think there will be some interesting times ahead. All these additional expenses to meet the NPL standard many of which the lay person may not appreciate. As FR says, referees come to $1000, so thats essentially gate takings to pay referees.
Sure, NNSW subsidise some of the coaching programs occasionally, but thats an added expense.
Unless the sponsorship value increases (clubs should be flogging the FFA Cup to sponsors, national exposure) some clubs may find themselves in a bit of trouble.
I actually said i speak with a lot of parents from a lot of clubs..........never claimed allQuote:
Originally Posted by mother theresa
Also great points ForeverRed, forgot about ref's and linesmen at all games even trials, physio available for strapping and then on sideline for every game.
Rumor had it that the fee at Lakes was 950. Adamstown was 690.Quote:
Originally Posted by namwob99