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Well cut your cloth accordingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
Get rid of the free 3x training shirts etc. get rid of the payments to players or start by severely reducing them with the intent to eradicate them.
With all these hidden expenses how can you justify paying players at all when it requires charging large sums to juniors to balance the books??
I would love to see the state of the competition if players were not paid. Look at West Wallsend (no disrespect to those playing, as they essentially saved the club).Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Not going to happen... Time is money.. players playing in first grade deservingly think their time needs to be remunerated... the only such case ive heard of players not paying for money in first grade was Jimi Cresnar who used to donate his first grade payments back to the club at the end of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
As for reducing rego payments... as the NPL gets into full swing expect to see rego fees exceed $1000- $1200 in the next 3 years... clubs will be expected to have a proper physio not just a prac student from the uni for all fixtures youth and senior... who is going to pay for that... Senior clubs are expected to have a doctor on hand at first grade fixtures... who is going to pay for that? Clubs are expected to have externally audited finances... who is going to pay for that? clubs are expected to have qualified coaches in all grades, minimum c-license... who is going to pay for that... and these coaches are going to expect a handsome payment in return... who is going to pay for that?
As this discussion progresses its becoming more obvious that all players of a club have a responsibility to help cover the costs of running the club to meet minimum standards... you cant simply segregate running costs for seniors vs running costs for the juniors... to think that if the juniors (13's-17's) had a little left over income that it wouldn't be used to support the senior side (19-first) of the npl if they were in need is totally naive.
Speak to some of the ID and over 35 clubs around the place... they are paying over $400-$500 per year plus chipping in to pay the refs each week... and you barely get shorts, socks, and a polo shirt. Speak to the Jets players that have represented Australia overseas in junior tournaments... they have to fund raise to get themselves over there? and they are representing Australia... how much do the jets players pay to go to the NTC and Japan trips etc... after they have paid their rego?.
It would be an amateur comp with no players being paid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
As opposed to what it is now an amateur comp with players being paid.
If blokes wouldn't play because they ain't being paid then why have pay them now. They ain't good enough to justify it.
After all the NNSW NPL is the what 7th strongest comp in the land behind (HAL NNSWPL VPL QPL WA and SA Leagues etc )
Also I highly doubt the game would come to a standstill as blokes aren't being paid. Thousands of amateur comps in the world are testament to that
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Originally Posted by The Magician
National title this year $1300 per player, its a "championship participation fee" x 32 kids going from NNSWF $41600.00 for what a bus, 4/5 to a room and a tracksuit. BUT parents are lining up to throw their money at NNSWF
Japan, that's a different story, was worth every cent for the experience. Not just the football but the culture, the home stays, competing in the tournament, eating Japanese food, going to a Reds game. That was a life experience that my son will have forever
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Originally Posted by why blue
$900 + $1300... Cha ching!!!
for sure....................plus endless travel to "test the kids"Quote:
Originally Posted by The Magician
There's gold in them there kids you know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! just how can we exploit it
Ok well what about this……. those players who are making a bit of pocket money thru player payments seem to be looked upon as mercenaries (not all are), many use payments to assist whilst undertaking training e.g. Uni after to "football dream" has past, which I think is unfair . Most would have gone thru a similar development system like the now defunct "FYL" competition, which I didn't think wasn't a bad concept (at least some 1 div. clubs were trying to develop youth) until the Associations got their hands on it. These players paid well above what was considered "normal" registration fees at the time (around $350 - 400 from memory). It's just their turn to get a little something back for the efforts and I guess sacrifices they made growing up thru youth development programs. I don't begrudge these guys being paid at all, remember in 5-10 years down the track it will be the current youth players in the same situation. But player payments shouldn't be funded by junior development programs FFS. Welcome to the Newcastle Football round-a-bout!
Good mix of clubs, only Lakes and Southy missing....
Some good games in there too.
Should be a good weekend... looking at the prospective rain gauge mm's predicted each day over the weekend its less than 5mm... Speaking to a referee today he said that the Ref's were told by the Fed's to play all games at all costs and for them to make the calls on ground playability not the clubs... interesting...
shouldve done that last week, wonder if top team go through if washed out.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Magician
Silly statement, refs have no control over grounds, if the club says it's out, it's outQuote:
Originally Posted by The Magician
So VOLUNTEERS are somehow NOW EXPERTS and qualified to make these types of decisions without any self interest coming into the equation???Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
OK
Shouldn't worry South too much-how many teams did you say were in the play offs?Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
One more then magic,
Usually the same guy(s) who mows, feeds, waters, rolls, top dresses the field during the year......Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
1 more than some...Quote:
Originally Posted by outsider
Last time I looked at the finals fixtures Magic were represented in 3 of the 7 NPL grades... South Cardiff the solitary 1...Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
FR Not letting the facts get in the way of big noting Southy :rof:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Magician
FR too busy working on Northerns, sorry i mean the Jets EJets WJets new $11M facility. Maybe he can advise them how to build a chicken coup so there are fresh eggs for the break rolls that will be sold at the new Northern NSW Cafe, and seeing though South Cardiff did such a fantastic job on their drainage and ground maintenance he could also help them out with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Or does it just mean that the 4 youth grades don't come into consideration at Southy?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Hope you having fun having a go at kids football hero, Local kids learning mate, how far do you travel to get to training, rep teams joining certain clubs , **** me what a disgrace some parents are, enjoy paying your senior clubs way buddy, and when your kid turns 17 and can't make the cut, who you going to blame, haha, what a joke , enjoy living your kids life for him, bahahahaha 😃😃😃Quote:
Originally Posted by mother theresa
You obviously have no idea, no more comment
It is stupid statements like some of the above that perfectly illustrate why youth competitions should not have finals or if we want to go a step further even play for points. Too many parents and coaches at these levels worry about winning trophies when the real focus needs to be on making the kids the best possible player they can be.
Keep working hard up there, Forever Red.
Gee, you are certainly on a mission! Is there anyone in Newcastle Football you like? Clearly just on here to insult people!Quote:
Originally Posted by mother theresa
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Keep fighting the good fight Mother Theresa.Quote:
Originally Posted by mother theresa
There is a lot wrong in this neck of the woods with the game that needs improving dramatically
Geez your hard to follow MT. here you are into Southy for poor performance in 2014 season. Really Southy buggered up by trialling late, many kids were already gone to other clubs. This year they have rectified that and are trialling at same time as other clubs. Lesson learnt.Quote:
Originally Posted by mother theresa
But only a few days ago you were critical of clubs for being on the front foot and approaching/been approached by development coaches/parents and bringing whole teams
"hovering around the SAP 12's games, like pedo's promising coaching roles for Macquarie coaches, on the condition they bring there best whole teams over- didnt Chocky do that this year at Edgy in the 13's, after he was rejected at 5 clubs 1st, it was a great success, now we hear the green and red team, promising coaching roles, and player positions , so are the blue grekos team, as well as Foley FC."
So what are clubs to do ??? accept talent early and continue development of kids/team or trial and accept kids left, get hammered all season, either way they get bagged by you.
Brilliant. Broadmeadow are just best at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Why Blue
Youth teams gloating over big wins having a wack. Lets just just see where they end up when they mature. Havent seem too many make it to the big leagues
1 v 4 washed out 1 goes to GF now
Ohhhhhhhh so Lambton miss out on there chance of making the 17s GF because of rain, thats no good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Newsfeed
Disapointing mother theresa !! for Charlestown City Blues Under 17s who never got to play their final game to make the semis because of Jaffas incompetence in not rescheduling the fixture. Karma's a bitch
I argee !!! Karma is a B**** now Lambton 17's know how the CCB 17's boys felt the other today !!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by White line fever
The ones to feel sorry for are the Weston 15s, finished 3rd, beat FMC on Saturday, but will now miss GF as it reverts to 1v2....
Or does it????
Weston 15's in GFQuote:
Originally Posted by late_to_the_game
No. Weston (3rd) beat FMNC (2nd), which left Edgeworth (1st) & Emerging Jets (4th) to play midweek. The wash out means 1st goes through and 4th misses out. Your statement would be correct in the event 2nd v 3rd was washed out also. Regulation 28.Quote:
Originally Posted by late_to_the_game
Fair point - what is your solution though? Can you think of a ground or two capable of staging the mid week matches given the rain?Quote:
Originally Posted by mother theresa
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Right, because all the 17s are groundskeepers at Edden oval and it was their fault that the game didn't get played? FFS.Quote:
Originally Posted by FMC
Results of todays grand finals anyone ?