2015 NPL Youth

[MFKS]

I believe they pay (either up front or out of payments) if you are talking about Southy. Other clubs are different though, each club has a particular negotiating/payment philosophy.


I think there will be some interesting times ahead. All these additional expenses to meet the NPL standard many of which the lay person may not appreciate. As FR says, referees come to $1000, so thats essentially gate takings to pay referees.
Sure, NNSW subsidise some of the coaching programs occasionally, but thats an added expense.
Unless the sponsorship value increases (clubs should be flogging the FFA Cup to sponsors, national exposure) some clubs may find themselves in a bit of trouble.

Well cut your cloth accordingly.

Get rid of the free 3x training shirts etc. get rid of the payments to players or start by severely reducing them with the intent to eradicate them.


With all these hidden expenses how can you justify paying players at all when it requires charging large sums to juniors to balance the books??

[Bremsstrahlung]

Well cut your cloth accordingly.

Get rid of the free 3x training shirts etc. get rid of the payments to players or start by severely reducing them with the intent to eradicate them.


With all these hidden expenses how can you justify paying players at all when it requires charging large sums to juniors to balance the books??

I would love to see the state of the competition if players were not paid. Look at West Wallsend (no disrespect to those playing, as they essentially saved the club).

[The Magician]

I would love to see the state of the competition if players were not paid. Look at West Wallsend (no disrespect to those playing, as they essentially saved the club).

Not going to happen... Time is money.. players playing in first grade deservingly think their time needs to be remunerated... the only such case ive heard of players not paying for money in first grade was Jimi Cresnar who used to donate his first grade payments back to the club at the end of the season.

As for reducing rego payments... as the NPL gets into full swing expect to see rego fees exceed $1000- $1200 in the next 3 years... clubs will be expected to have a proper physio not just a prac student from the uni for all fixtures youth and senior... who is going to pay for that... Senior clubs are expected to have a doctor on hand at first grade fixtures... who is going to pay for that? Clubs are expected to have externally audited finances... who is going to pay for that? clubs are expected to have qualified coaches in all grades, minimum c-license... who is going to pay for that... and these coaches are going to expect a handsome payment in return... who is going to pay for that?

As this discussion progresses its becoming more obvious that all players of a club have a responsibility to help cover the costs of running the club to meet minimum standards... you cant simply segregate running costs for seniors vs running costs for the juniors... to think that if the juniors (13's-17's) had a little left over income that it wouldn't be used to support the senior side (19-first) of the npl if they were in need is totally naive.

Speak to some of the ID and over 35 clubs around the place... they are paying over $400-$500 per year plus chipping in to pay the refs each week... and you barely get shorts, socks, and a polo shirt. Speak to the Jets players that have represented Australia overseas in junior tournaments... they have to fund raise to get themselves over there? and they are representing Australia... how much do the jets players pay to go to the NTC and Japan trips etc... after they have paid their rego?.

[MFKS]

I would love to see the state of the competition if players were not paid. Look at West Wallsend (no disrespect to those playing, as they essentially saved the club).

It would be an amateur comp with no players being paid.

As opposed to what it is now an amateur comp with players being paid.

If blokes wouldn't play because they ain't being paid then why have pay them now. They ain't good enough to justify it.

After all the NNSW NPL is the what 7th strongest comp in the land behind (HAL NNSWPL VPL QPL WA and SA Leagues etc )


Also I highly doubt the game would come to a standstill as blokes aren't being paid. Thousands of amateur comps in the world are testament to that

[Why Blue]

. Speak to the Jets players that have represented Australia overseas in junior tournaments... they have to fund raise to get themselves over there? and they are representing Australia... how much do the jets players pay to go to the NTC and Japan trips etc... after they have paid their rego?.

National title this year $1300 per player, its a "championship participation fee" x 32 kids going from NNSWF $41600.00 for what a bus, 4/5 to a room and a tracksuit. BUT parents are lining up to throw their money at NNSWF

Japan, that's a different story, was worth every cent for the experience. Not just the football but the culture, the home stays, competing in the tournament, eating Japanese food, going to a Reds game. That was a life experience that my son will have forever

[The Magician]

national title this year $1300 per player, its a "championship participation fee" x 32 kids going from nnswf $41600.00 for what a bus, 4/5 to a room and a tracksuit. But parents are lining up to throw their money at nnswf

japan, that's a different story, was worth every cent for the experience. Not just the football but the culture, the home stays, competing in the tournament, eating japanese food, going to a reds game. That was a life experience that my son will have forever

$900 + $1300... Cha ching!!!

[Why Blue]

$900 + $1300... Cha ching!!!

for sure....................plus endless travel to "test the kids"

There's gold in them there kids you know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! just how can we exploit it

[sancho_theswan]

Ok well what about this……. those players who are making a bit of pocket money thru player payments seem to be looked upon as mercenaries (not all are), many use payments to assist whilst undertaking training e.g. Uni after to "football dream" has past, which I think is unfair . Most would have gone thru a similar development system like the now defunct "FYL" competition, which I didn't think wasn't a bad concept (at least some 1 div. clubs were trying to develop youth) until the Associations got their hands on it. These players paid well above what was considered "normal" registration fees at the time (around $350 - 400 from memory). It's just their turn to get a little something back for the efforts and I guess sacrifices they made growing up thru youth development programs. I don't begrudge these guys being paid at all, remember in 5-10 years down the track it will be the current youth players in the same situation. But player payments shouldn't be funded by junior development programs FFS. Welcome to the Newcastle Football round-a-bout!

[late_to_the_game]

Good mix of clubs, only Lakes and Southy missing....
Some good games in there too.

[The Magician]

Should be a good weekend... looking at the prospective rain gauge mm's predicted each day over the weekend its less than 5mm... Speaking to a referee today he said that the Ref's were told by the Fed's to play all games at all costs and for them to make the calls on ground playability not the clubs... interesting...

[GO AWAY]

Should be a good weekend... looking at the prospective rain gauge mm's predicted each day over the weekend its less than 5mm... Speaking to a referee today he said that the Ref's were told by the Fed's to play all games at all costs and for them to make the calls on ground playability not the clubs... interesting...

shouldve done that last week, wonder if top team go through if washed out.

[ForeverRed]

Should be a good weekend... looking at the prospective rain gauge mm's predicted each day over the weekend its less than 5mm... Speaking to a referee today he said that the Ref's were told by the Fed's to play all games at all costs and for them to make the calls on ground playability not the clubs... interesting...

Silly statement, refs have no control over grounds, if the club says it's out, it's out

[MFKS]

Silly statement, refs have no control over grounds, if the club says it's out, it's out

So VOLUNTEERS are somehow NOW EXPERTS and qualified to make these types of decisions without any self interest coming into the equation???


OK

[outsider]

Silly statement, refs have no control over grounds, if the club says it's out, it's out

Shouldn't worry South too much-how many teams did you say were in the play offs?

[ForeverRed]

One more then magic,

[late_to_the_game]

So VOLUNTEERS are somehow NOW EXPERTS and qualified to make these types of decisions without any self interest coming into the equation???


OK

Usually the same guy(s) who mows, feeds, waters, rolls, top dresses the field during the year......

[Bremsstrahlung]

Shouldn't worry South too much-how many teams did you say were in the play offs?

1 more than some...

[The Magician]

One more then magic,

Last time I looked at the finals fixtures Magic were represented in 3 of the 7 NPL grades... South Cardiff the solitary 1...

[MFKS]

Last time I looked at the finals fixtures Magic were represented in 3 of the 7 NPL grades... South Cardiff the solitary 1...

FR Not letting the facts get in the way of big noting Southy

[terryk]

FR Not letting the facts get in the way of big noting Southy

FR too busy working on Northerns, sorry i mean the Jets EJets WJets new $11M facility. Maybe he can advise them how to build a chicken coup so there are fresh eggs for the break rolls that will be sold at the new Northern NSW Cafe, and seeing though South Cardiff did such a fantastic job on their drainage and ground maintenance he could also help them out with that.