Kalac has left Sydney FC even though he has a year to run on his contract.
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Kalac has left Sydney FC even though he has a year to run on his contract.
Have the Double FA signed him up for us?
Hes going to the wanderersQuote:
Originally Posted by Swifts
Nope. WSW. I believe they let Covic and their goalkeeping coach go as a result of this according to those on social mediaQuote:
Originally Posted by Swifts
It's been quite a poorly kept secret for a while now that he's heading to WSW. Basically he's returning home to Western Sydney, to punt on the Parra races and sip Rakija from his bar @ Edensor all day erry day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swifts
How many Eurosnobs do you think there are in Newcastle? 500? 1000?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
How do you know that the grassroots football people aren't also the people who increased the crowd from 14000 to 21000 on 1/1/07? Most of the mums and dads from the team I coach are simply giving their kids an opportunity to play sport with their friends. They aren't on any kind of football mission. What they do outside of the 60 minutes they spend at the football oval is not determined by the 60 minutes that they spend on it.
I can tell you that my kids (to my dismay) have very little interest in the Jets, because they think they are boring. My son may very well be a eurosnob because he really likes Barcelona. Both my boys think that the Asian Cup Final was the most exciting event they have ever been at.
My point is, I don't think we need to dissect the community to death. Work out what works. We know what works from what worked in the past. Why do we insist on reinventing the wheel? Just to meet our own beliefs that we need to appeal to the right type of people in the right way?
Just be humble, friendly, open and honest.
That's what that tv ad was. It simply showed people what they would see at a game. No emotional blackmail, no lies, no PR bullshit.
Win the kids over and you see crowds in the 15,000 every week and secure the future. There needs to be an individual in the roal of community engagement and marketing, someone to connect the club and the people, Someone who represents the club culture.Quote:
Originally Posted by tha_hauss
this I think is an initiative worth replicating - kids under 15 get free entry to all Melbourne matches.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-12-18/sunday-fun-day
How many Eurosnobs in Newy??Quote:
Originally Posted by tha_hauss
That's a great question. I would estimate there are thousands of them.
Quite happy to watch the EPL and proclaim that Australia football is shit and not the best into he world when quite happy to ignore that the EPL gets shit on by SerieA Bundesliga Series A sides all the time
Then add in the rest who follow big name Euro sides with no affinity to the region whatsoever and then add in those who were originally from Europe who have moved here and won't embrace the local game cause they deem it inferior.
I reckon the tally would be close to 10k
As for grassroots kids and parents I can go off what we get at Jets games to indicate that out of the thousands and thousands of kids and adults that turn up to suburban grounds each weekend to be involved in football that only a fraction of them are following the Jets at Hunter Stadium. There is a massive area there for engagement.
Both these lots have an understanding of football and an involvement already that can be encouraged and harnessed. Football doesn't worry about getting them on board cause that makes too much sense. They would rather target families and casual sports fans with a variety of brain dead promotions offering a free lunch to them.
As for dissecting the community to death I am all for not doing it. My belief is we should focus on football orientated people first second third choice and not worry about chasing some magical mythical fans to drop every thing and adopt our code. They will turn up and jump on bandwagons when there is a bandwagon. In the meantime stop wasting resources on them and work on those with an involvement
I think the thinking is alittle off.. It should be less how to do we get people on board with our plan and more how can the people become the club... instead of saying "we need the football euro's or we need the families" we have to say how do all of these groups become Newcastles football club.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Yep more ticket give aways never goes astray but it has to be coupled with actually making those people apart of the club... otherwise it looks like begging people to come to the game, no one likes pitty tickets. People want to be excited to go to a game not begged. Handing out tickets wont help unless that ticket is valuable!
Well said there Member.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Variations of this theme were discussed in the fans rep committee thread and to their credit Mr Fish and Mr J.Pool put it to the boffins.
It is not about that. My thinking is focus on football people and **** the rest of them attitude. This is a football club and we should focus on appealing to people with an interest in football not to appeal to anyone elseQuote:
Originally Posted by Opinionated
Most of this shit about community engagement is complete crock of shit anyway. It isn't a case of the Jets have not engaged the community as a cause for our problems. It is a case of those running the club have been lying arrogant egotistical ****wits who promise everything and deliver nothing and people have just got ****ing jack of their attitude and constant failure to see the blatantly ****ing obvious
What proportion of rugby league fans do you think played rugby league? It has quite a small participation base.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Ok so i get what your saying, what is the how? as in how to you capture the "football people" of our city. I agree these people need to be captured but what does that look like falling short of getting Con to call the greeks in newcastle?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Participation does not just involve playing. Spectating is also a form of participation.Quote:
Originally Posted by tha_hauss
Ie plenty of women passionately support league yet have never made a tackle or thrown a pass in their life.
Plenty of people also follow the NRL yet never played it except for in the backyard or at the local park after school as kids
Many sports out there have massive interest yet don't have many people actively participating as players.
Exactly, this what the Knights have always done well in Newy.Quote:
Originally Posted by tha_hauss
A lot of your fans would have turned up in loyalty more to your Chiefs, your Mad Dogs and your Joeys than the team itself.
Football here has never done a good job of engaging their players the same way.
Aside from Griff no Jet has ever really embraced being a public figure.
That attitude sells a lot of shirts/seats and sponsors.
Good news for potential investors....
http://www.a-league.com.au/article/f...41ptgbl6glirv4
Look out, you just expanded your demographic.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Difference being that all these Knights were either local products or in the case of Doogs attending Newcastle University and was known and liked by a lot of people . As such, they already had a connection with the locals before they even stepped onto the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Add to that the fact they were each world class or in the case of Johns possibly the best of all time and it would be pretty hard not to get it right from a marketing perspective.
So all the jets need to do is field a world class team in the a-league for under $3m a season and make sure they have a few local kids in the mix as well.
Not so easy.
I take your point about more 'locals' but as for world class I don't reackon it made a heap of difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Even the 'Knight-Ryder' had a cult following and he was a mangy ginger in headgear and fairly hopeless at that.
Id say more it was the fact your Chiefs etc were on the telly being themselves (boofheads) which made them far more engaging than your current crop of media trained robots.
Remember there was s bit of a run on TV where Topor was taking the piss out of himself about not scoring.
People related to that.
Nowadays from the top down they don't give any time or respect to the media and sadly that's the window to the fans.
At the end of the day it is about the product and do people want to be a part of it. This year was the low point, it seemed every decision the club made was aimed at disenchanting people more and more from the club to the point where not even Members were bothering to turn up. The Newcastle Jets as a product had nothing going for it, it's obvious that if the status quo remained that the club was heading towards disaster next season with crowds possibly in the vicinity of 5,000.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Under Tinkler/HSG when they tried to form that "Team Newcastle" shit with the Knights I think we started losing our identity and "feel" of a Football club that we had under Con. Now is our chance to get that back and become a real Football club again with a real football culture about it.
Good post PlagueQuote:
Originally Posted by plague
I never realised you were so intelligent. I now see you in a new light
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geez mate ive been telling you for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
good to see you finally catch on.
Only ForeverRed left on the list now....................
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/30...-coach/?cs=306Quote:
SOCCEROOS boss Ange Postecoglou will be involved in determining who will coach the Newcastle Jets.
However, it appears highly unlikely that Phil Stubbins will remain at the helm.
Football Federation Australia took control of the club on Wednesday after owner Nathan Tinkler was stripped of his A-League licence.
The 15 players on the club's books for next season have been offered contracts identical to the deals they were on at the Jets.
Administrative staff, headed by chief executive officer Mitchell Murphy, have also been brought across to ensure continuity while their positions are reviewed.
But Stubbins and assistants James Pascoe, Mark Jones and Jesse Van Strattan have been left aside.
Their futures now hinge on a review.
That analysis, which is expected to begin next week, will be done in consultation with Postecoglou, national technical director Eric Abrams and head of national performance Luke Casserly.
It is hoped that the coaching situation will be finalised in the next fortnight. The Jets assemble for pre-season training on June 22.
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Sydney United coach and Fox Sports analyst Mark Rudan, former championship-winning Brisbane boss Mike Mulvey and and other high-profile identities Tony Vidmar, John Aloisi and Paul Okon are possible candidates.
The Jets' first coach, Jean-Paul de Marigny, who led the team in the inaugural A-League pre-season before Richard Money took over, resigned on Friday as assistant coach at A-League champions Melbourne Victory.
In announcing that FFA had taken over the club, chief executive David Gallop stressed the importance of re-engaging the local community.
Newcastle-born former Socceroo Clayton Zane, one of three support staff sacked by Tinkler and Stubbins in January, guided the Jets for the final 12 games of the 2013-14 season.
Since his axing, Zane has been completing a Masters in Sports Coaching as well as working with the Emerging Jets and other junior programs.
"It would be great if local people were involved," said Zane, who is yet to have his contract and entitlements finalised. If that does not involve me, I'd still be happy.
"I am undertaking a pro licence next month.
"I met with FFA previously and they are trying to help me with my professional development. Eric Abrams and Luke Casserly know where I'm at with my coaching.
"I'm sure they will have a plan in place."
Former coaches Gary van Egmond, who has had two stints in charge, and Craig Deans are also involved with the Emerging Jets.
Pascoe and Jones, who was the Jets' assistant under van Egmond in the 2008 championship campaign, are keen to continue.
A teacher at Hunter Sports High, Pascoe was promoted from youth team coach to assist Stubbins after the sackings in January.
Jones, who was assistant coach in 2008 when the Jets won the championship, joined the staff at the same time.
As well as assisting Stubbins, Jones was the strength and conditioning coach and video analyst.
"Jimmy Pascoe and Mark Jones came in and steadied the ship," former defender Taylor Regan said.
"They did a great job, so I'd hope they were rewarded for their work."
Stubbins, who aligned himself closely with Tinkler, returns on Monday from a scouting mission in Europe and remains "100 per cent committed" to Newcastle.
"I think we've now got a chance to rebuild well," he said on Wednesday.
Under the 52-year-old Englishman, the Jets finished last with three wins from 27 games, the club's worst season in history.
In a tumultuous campaign, Stubbins and Tinkler sacked senior players Kew Jaliens, Joel Griffiths, Billy Celeski and Adrian Madaschi and support staff Zane, Neil Young and Andrew Packer.
The coach also had a major falling out with several other players.
Don't know who is pushing this stuff.Quote:
DISCARDED home-grown players Taylor Regan and James Virgili have welcomed Football Federation Australia's takeover of the Jets and are hopeful it could lead to a second chance for them at the club.
Jets coach Phil Stubbins cut Regan and Virgili on April 28, sparking an outcry from many supporters.
Regan, 26, captained the side after the mid-season sacking of five senior players and was named the members club player of the year.
Virgili, 22, started and was among the Jets’ best in rounds 11 to 14 before a training-ground accident left him with a season-ending broken ankle.
Both were gutted at the decisions, especially given Regan was assured he would be given a deal and Virgili made multiple attempts while sidelined to gain clarity on his future with the club.
Both are yet to make a commitment for next season and hope this week’s event at the Jets could open the door for a return, especially given Stubbins, who presided over just three wins in 27 games, is unlikely to remain coach.
Regan, who is getting married this weekend, said he was looking home and abroad for a new club but was open to a return at the Jets.
‘‘Now that this has officially happened and I haven’t made a decision as to what I’m going to do yet, that potentially could become an option,’’ Regan said.
‘‘Again, I love Newcastle and I’d love to be at the club, but that’s a decision obviously for the FFA or the coach, or Phil. It depends.
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‘‘Obviously it was Phil who probably made the decision to get rid of me.
‘‘Whilst he’s here, I guess I won’t be.
‘‘We’ll wait and see, but certainly if a door was open and an opportunity arose back here with the club, I’d certainly look at it.
‘‘I’d love to be a one-club person and Newcastle is my home.’’
Virgili has been linked with a move to Western Sydney Wanderers but said he had nothing ‘‘concrete’’ in place for next season and his preference was to play for Newcastle.
‘‘I didn’t want to leave here in the first place, so if the opportunity does come to have another chance to stay here in Newcastle, then I’d love to have it,’’ Virgili said.
‘‘I guess that depends on who the FFA decides to appoint coach.
‘‘A few weeks ago I was told I wasn’t going to be signed again so I thought my chances were 100 per cent gone of playing here next season, but with what’s happened, it does give us a glimmer of hope.’’
Virgili said he might even hold off on his next move to keep hopes of a new deal at the Jets alive.
‘‘I’m in limbo at the moment now anyway, but depending on how long it took, I might try and drag it out a bit more to see if something does eventuate here,’’ he said.
‘‘I’m basically taking each day as it comes.
‘‘You never know what can happen in football.’’
As for the Jets, Virgili said FFA’s intervention would be a ‘‘breath of fresh air’’ at the club.
‘‘In the past, the FFA has taken over clubs and those clubs have done well under their ownership,’’ he said.
‘‘It could turn out to be a good thing for the club.
‘‘They are going to make the right decisions and they won’t jump into anything.’’
Regan was confident the Jets had a bright future, especially after speaking with former Jets teammate and Wanderers striker Labinot Haliti on Friday about FFA’s tenure in charge of Western Sydney.
‘‘I was giving me a run down on how FFA did things when they were in control of Western Sydney and it sounded very positive,’’ Regan said. ‘‘He was very confident that Newcastle will return to being what they should be, and that’s being strong in the A-League.’’
Our new dawn should actually see us try and attain the best squad we possibly can.
Signing blokes who were not up to it in the past makes little sense unless we want to be as shit as we have always been.
I would resign Reagan unless the new coach has a better option than Mullen in mind in which case Mullen can become back up.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
In regards to virgili, I believe we have waited long enough for him to become consistent a-league quality and he hasn't convinced a coach yet to give him regular games. Time to move on.
Why did the article say Virigili was our best from round 11-14. He was expectedly average for all his games this season, bar one where he played what I thought was ok and the rest of the town seemingly though was amazing.
Re-signing him would be a sign of us sticking with the usual service.
Regan though, I think should be re-signed.
If the new manager can't find a better CD than Reegz whether they be an Aussie or a foreigner than god help us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommyjet
I would also stress that even with Mullen Boogaard at the club neither who are outstanding but only solid HAL level players our other CD option should be a better player than both of them.
Particularly when we drastically need to improve defensively. The addition of Boogaard only to the current defensive ranks was not gonna turn us from poor defensively to good defensively.
Reegz top bloke but we do need to move on from the past.
I suppose it depends how much the new coach wants to spend elsewhere in the squad. If rudan is the new gaffa then I dare say he'd be looking for a better defensive option or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Geez, Virgili is still only 22?
Feels like everyones been bagging the shit out of him for 10 years at least. How time flies.
Biggest problem with him has been coaching. Surely there is something there that a decent coach can harness?
Put it this way id rather have him on the books for $29.99 rather than pay Ibini the rumoured marquee wages Stubbs was thinking of. They would have been the exact same player under his coaching.
You cant tell me Ange wouldnt have turned Virgili into a poor mans Rojas, or Barbarouses? i reackon he would.
Anyway with a new coach maybe he can do a bit more with the kids in our region. As a lower wage squaddie i think he can add something.
If the last few years have proved anything is that our biggest problem has been coaching because blokes who leave here cause they aint good enough seem to go ok at other clubs.
like, lots and lots of players.
I seriously doubt we would have ever got Ibini anyway even if Tinkler had moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by plague
I read something in the lead up to the GF about Ibini how his dad passed away just after he signed to play in China. Since then he has got a loan back to Gypos and then to Smurfs as he is taking on the role of chief financial provider for his mother and brothers and sisters and taking care of his family who are settled in Sydney
I couldn't see him shifting base from Sydney for those reasons and fully expect him to stay at a Sydney Club or even Gypos as it is only an hour commute. Can't imagine he would want the 2 hour commute up and down the F3 every day to play for us when he does have other options.
I dare say regardless of who our gaffa is assuming he is not a half wit we will be looking to strength our side right across the park.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommyjet
All positions will be looked at to be strengthened and we won't get a side top heavy in attacking talent and weak at the back or strong at the back with no firepower up front
We did have the worst attack worst defence worst winning record worst coach worst discipline and won nearly every category you don't wish to win this season.
All across the board needs to improve and we can't just focus on one area only.
I think signing two or three of the outcasts (Griff, Reegz, maybe Caramello) would be good move and be an olive branch to the community AND an admission that the previous lot ****ed up.
Virgili...no. He has had plenty of opportunities and never had that immediate impact that new kids like Cruse, Kosta, Goodwin and many others have showed when starting out. The comments from his agent a few days ago smacked of desperation to get him a gig.
Would it be a fair comment to say that no more players should be signed till the new coach (I'm assuming Muppet is gone) comes in?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
If the new coach wants to work with the likes of Reegz, Virgili and Caravella then so be it, but the last thing we want to be hereing again is the new coach whingeing and using the old "it's not my team" card!!!
Fair point.Quote:
Originally Posted by stopper2
I fully am expecting Muppet to get his marching orders early next week. One would assume the only reason he hasn't got them yet is the FFA wish to do the right thing and not be a **** and tell him to his face. Shame he never showed the same decency when he was sacking everyone.
I would also expect that the new boss will be installed before the end of next week.
PS Just trying to join dots.........................
Any price Jean Paul De Marigny getting the gig Con never let him have?? Was assistant to Muscat at Victree and quit Friday.
......:brrr:
Reckon FFA have been in the background for months now, reckon Murphy was installed there by them and when I heard 3 weeks back Middleby/Baartz had been to a meeting with Gallop this only confirmed my gut feeling.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Have to agree Member, out of nowhere de Marigny quits Victree but no news on why. Hereing some say that Jones and Zane deserve a chance, and I agree but in some respects I really think the best outcome would be to have some totally new take over, someone who has a strong personality and leadership qualities who will take responsibility and not blame others.
Bring in a high profile coach and keep Jones as assistant. As for Pascoe, he's way out of his league.
Nope. Whatever coach is signed let them appoint their own staff. Happens worldwide for good reason to avoid the backstabbing that we have seen first hand.
Should get down to Speers Pt on that day and remind Mr three from i have lost count and remind him just who's bitch he really is.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
That's assuming muppet didn't put Mullen and boogaard on contracts well above their worth.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS